and we came across the fact that, well, it doesn’t taste good to us, and we realized that this is our favorite place , our favorite. he doesn't like it either. it’s just that in products like sausages, that’s all there, so that i could somehow live somehow. i have exactly the same children and watching my son grow up, right at this age, i discovered a very interesting defensive reaction that actually exists in all children, but i dedicated it to him, and in this sense it is called noah like this here, that is, when something new is not only food, but in food including offered to my little son. at first he said not but, and then looked, what he offers. this is not. and i realized that this is the protective function of the child from everything new and this is a very important function, because a child of a certain age explores this world. and well, it tastes to the touch, yes, and so on, but at a certain moment the child begins to defend himself against everything new, then with age. this is protection, e,

is developed in an adult and an adult, in general, tries to live the most stable comfortable life, so that nothing new breaks in. and if you steal, then under control, yes, it somehow breaks out, and therefore this age, when such protection begins to form in children. and look, you say, we'll try us tasteless, we go to the same cafe, it's strange, i perceive, but it's strange. if you asked me, for example, 15 years ago, i would not just understand you, i would say the right thing and do it, but suddenly get poisoned in another place. because i haven't eaten anywhere. if i came somewhere abroad, and i came there almost with my food conditionally saying, yes, there i always tried only so that i know how it looks alive or there on the beds and that's how it looks here, but 15 years maybe a little more ago. i set myself such a task that now i will be everything in general, that's all that they give. i will eat everything. the only thing i have failed in my life. and this is where it gets hard. this is tibetan tea that you and your husband have, both of you actually have selective food and why did i

ask how you eat? how are you kids? what is your dining culture like? yes, and so on , and of course the child sees this and he cannot do not learn this, because you bring up your child by the so-called method adopted by him, that is, he impresses your behavior within himself. as a result, this is his behavior. well, and, accordingly, further it seems to him that this is his personality. right now. his personality, as if it had just begun to form, is not even formed yet. it begins to take shape, including this one. uh, protection from your suggestions. this is the formation of his personality, while he is only an individual. we have another very important point. ah. i'll make this assumption that when you came out of this depression, one of the pillars, thanks to which you came out, is your child. and that was your identification, mom, of course, that i have to get out of depression, because i'm a mother, because if something happens, not what will happen. i will tell you a secret. nothing happened at all. would have cried and

would have found a new mother, there i don’t know the stepmother would be like a good fairy tale, it doesn’t matter if it’s bad. yes, but it was the identity that got you out of there. and as soon as she pulled you out. she hooked you up with your son again. she just behold you hooked. and that's why he plays with you . mom, my leg hurts. feed me. yes, mom, i can’t hold a fork with my hand, feed me, because this is your game and now i’m playing sad. and he really likes it, and you really like it. this is obviously all absolutely right in that it is anxiety. this is your game and he plays along with you. this is its symptom. it's not his problem. he's just playing along. let's try to figure it out. why do you already have such anxiety? please tell me about your childhood, about your family. at i have a mother. the brother was the father. well, that means it was when i was seven years old, my parents divorced, and we left with my mother and brother

, my brother, foreman, 4 years old, left. i didn’t have parents who lived together, like what a family was like, while they were together, it’s not like that. you know, it comes to mind that this is my childhood. this is a disturbing childhood. something is happening to you right now because your father raised his hand against your mother. the father understood the hand on his brother. and there were moments when i was scared for the life of my brother and my father did not raise his hand to me, but it was all before my eyes. this was repeatedly. yes, brother, even ran away from home 40-degree frost barefoot alcohol in particular. and so, at some point, my mother realized that, well, just when

a hammer had already flown into her. that he just one day, well, it can happen scary? she brought us together. first, we moved to an apartment with her friend, after some time, the father returned us. found returned knelt asking my mother to return. then all the same everything returned to normal and my mother packed things. we went to my grandmother to her mother and how to continue together. a then everything was relatively calm, but i just don’t remember that i was like a child, as if there was something wrong with me. well, that is, i had some fears, as if inside myself, and then when i started to grow up, it so happened that my mother was, brother, he at that time divorced, met his fourth wife and also moved to his grandmother. he also drank heavily. again danger appeared

again danger. i remember very well that i had a fear of coming home from school. i didn't want to go home to school all the time there was some kind of fear, and i can't stand drunk people. do you communicate with your father now? at the moment , no, and recently, on the advice of just the same psychologist. uh, she told me that in a good way it would be either how to write a letter , how to father, or in a good way , to find in general where he can talk to him on the phone there, i tried to find him, but i was the only one . the connection is through my cousin. i write to her, she does not answer. uh oh, i don't know how anymore find a father. i don’t even know if he is alive, and how did you cope with this fear, well, as if hiding in your life your mother or your

brother with words, i mean threatened. i don’t remember in words what your life is, but a security hammer. well, after all, here is papa yes at home without a hammer, that is, papa poses this threat. and that is, you understand, he can kill stabs for souls, yes, that is, such pictures, you somehow imagined yourself sometime. how can you protect them, perhaps they fell asleep in this and thought how strong you would be, for example would have beaten him. that is, that's what i can do there, no. and i curled up and closed my eyes. i will ask you to think again in this sense, remember, maybe, yes, some fantasies that gave birth to everything, these are girls, how she can save these people close to her to leave. well take them away. how are you?

maybe this little girl, how is she? can still cope with this monster to forgive this. well, i think that at that moment she did not perceive it differently. i remember that my mother told me alena go calm down dad. and so i went there. talked to him. somehow she stroked him to calm him down. mom gave him some pills to make him fall asleep, but there was no threat to you. why did mom send you if dad in such a state of very angry never raised his hand to me, mom said that he loved me very much. that is, she says that there is always such a picture before her eyes, she will iron her shirt there, she will dress me there, and we went for a walk. and the pope was so proud. here i go for a walk with my daughter. i have such a fantasy of fear of poisoning is born.

either you were afraid of being poisoned, or somewhere this could somehow sound. it seemed to me at that moment, just when you were afraid that you could poison the child with detergent, right? uh-huh now, if you imagine that it is like a spasm , this fear arose. here you are looking. yes, and so you said, i suddenly had the idea that if somewhere in the body it would definitely have to spasm. that's where it could be spasming in your body right here good. direct your attention right now there and try right here, as if, well, forces to spasm this part. just notice this spasm and try to tell me that you feel good there. i want to rip out. it's the body's defense mechanism. one of

the five survival instincts. it's called spitting. when i am very nervous , worried, i feel sick, and this reflex begins in me. and when my child, and does not want to eat something, or he says, i ate. yes, what do you want, he begins to do this. here i have why i say that my fantasy gives me reason to believe that this is directly related to danger. so, in general, you are, as it were, used to just this danger. well, how to pull out of yourself, yes, and that means to defend yourself, you imprinted this protection into this child. that is, here you give him a cucumber, yes, suppose that he does not eat, imagine cucumbers, and he is squeamish , he says, he has disgust. it's like she expresses it. and this is the absolute

protection of the survival instinct, because now it is important for him to survive. and when you get mad, i think you get mad like me when a child refuses to eat an apple or a strawberry or something to try. yes, at that moment you actually have it with him. here is the same desire, it binds you very much, and at this moment, of course, you cannot do anything, because you are spasmodic, the child is spasmodic. if you don't relax, he won't relax. so far you are connected so strong for another year and a half. yes, and this fear of life, which actually led you into depression, because the advent of a child into your life has torn apart, all all the patterns are only possible so yes, alena, a free woman, has disappeared. yes, this alena mother appeared with all these problems and so on. yes, and at this moment, as if even depression itself, in general. it is very similar to what you have, as if you feel sick all the time, feel sick, your head is spinning and you are trying. and this is the connection

you have with the child, but here it would be worth noting a very simple thing. try you and your spouse to diversify your diet. here just want other cafes you know tatiana when we travel, she sometimes eats in places that i don’t have, i wouldn’t go there, i’m afraid, despite the fact that she has food selectivity. but when tanya is hungry, she will eat live cockroaches. if need be, that is, she is not, well, and this is actually a very, well, so to speak, not just a bold position. and this is how my instinct works, you know, and it’s the other way around for me, as i told you. yes? that is , at first i have denial, then i myself i force. no, i'll try again since she eats everything. i'm something to try, after all. why did i assume that the fear of poisoning? and the fear of poisoning the child, the fear of poisoning itself, the fear of being poisoned, the fear of poisoning in general. yes, why did i assume you

didn't agree with that fantasy, but the kid might have a fantasy that the only way i can deal with a strong man is i can poison him. i don’t insist , i just suggest thinking about this topic, because children fantasize, children survive own fantasy. when did he offend you? someone, for example, an older fantasize that you will have a superpower there, i don't know. you can fly fly away to get there sword treasurer, whatever? yes, that's why try to diversify yourself. and what about the child? alain here in general, relax. just relax and unconditionally. ah. let your child get hungry if you try to give him that, as it were, until he himself says. i want to eat and you offer him, for example, don't make fun of it, like, here until you eat broccoli, like, you won’t eat no, quietly, quietly, so that he himself understands what he needs to eat, that is, in fact. don't take food away from him. and you

will notice that he is eating, watch him. watch how he will act. but at this point you will be very scared. i assure you. and here i am telling you about it. it’s just with this fear that you just need to work, he also suggested that if you go back a little, that the state that you described, when you were afraid for your brother because mom. and when you were just a baby and went to bed. so, curled up, you understand that there is some kind of selectivity in relation to you. and it’s as if this, and this is not quite omnipotence, gives the fantasy what sergei is talking about. but this e still gives some other position. and you can save. yes, they are very scary. and it 's that fear that's left and that's left, the idea that you can save it has found its way out now in your relationship with the child in this way. and

this very often becomes such a psycho-emotional basis in a child. allergies, because allergies that occur in children are often associated with a danger to parents when parents are afraid for the child. and, accordingly, they try to secure it, so to speak, because it is not an allergy and selectivity. it's just protection. that's when you start to live it calmly with this fear. yes, nausea. here i told you directly. try to catch with a groove. it has a lot of healing energy for both you and the child. that is, the problem is not with the child at all. well, it's just playing along. yes he just playing along with you. you seem to have transferred this part of the symptom to him, and it is external, that's all to get rid of. you don't have to get rid of anything. learn to live it , learn to do very simple things, for example, as now, in a conscious way, i offered you something real. yes, relax. you can't and when the next time it comes up. you strain even more right now

, you hypertrophy, and then let go, it will still remain tense, but slowly strain part of it. you will learn how to relax part and it will pass. well, it won't happen right away, of course. still, you need to focus on yourself, and not on the child. how correctly did sergey say to stop feeding him? in principle, my husband would somehow throw such an idea to me a couple of times, but then, apparently, he succumbed to my anxiety; it was completely new for me. you've just dug into my feelings. now i will practice it super. and you know, try your husband, probably now will be when to watch this program. he will hate me, but you can try to leave them alone for a couple of days. at we had this idea. leave you to see that men eat differently. it was a podcast triggers, and with you were his leading psychologist, psychotherapist. tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist selective behavior of a child.

hello, my name is dmitry bag. i'm the host of a literary podcast with a wonderful title. let them not speak. let those who are older remember that at the end of the sixties the bomb became a film with the participation of the singer, rafael was sung there in spanish, and there was the famous song digan, lokte dean it sounds in spanish. let them talk it meant that let them talk about our love. it won't hurt, it won't hurt. we are doing the main thing. here, uh, in our podcast, of course, we are talking, of course, we are talking with our guests, but all our conversations are aimed at making you read, that's what we, uh, call on our today's

issue with tatyana nikitsky tolstaya writer. and maybe also a publicist, how would you define yourself, although a person. hello writer. i'm definitely a writer, but i don't really like a publicist this word, because u means so when you need me. seeing somewhere that i do not have all the works of art, it means that they think where to take them. well, let them beat you in the face, but i don’t consider myself a publicist, i don’t feel it, and i think, let him write everything. well, in principle, a writer is anyone. uh, writing. this is a broad definition, but still , essayists, you understand, yes, of course, there are documentarians, there are, er, the authors are different fish. well, except for prose, sometimes it’s fine, yes, yes, except for fiction, yes, yes, yes, yes, and you work in different areas , we'll talk about this later. well, we will start with a topic that

cannot be avoided in a conversation with a person who bears the surname tolstaya or tolstoy well , of course, uh, writers with this surname. we had several people in literature. well, how do you feel? here in this role? the granddaughter of alexei nikolaevich tolstoy , whose 140th birthday has just been celebrated and, i must say, very broadly. i stay out of the congratulatory process. it's clear. i don't like, i don't like, in principle, i'm not my anniversary not other people's birthdays, that's all i don't like. and so what he remembers and read, because he is absolutely wonderful to write very uneven. in my opinion. still , uneven, of course, uneven, because most of his uh hmm those years when he u entered his talent are fat late developing in general, yes late. and here he, too, started late

and matured late. eh, it took years. e not so comfortable, but not free. yes, in this freedom is not freedom yes, in general here it is yes , it was directed in some other direction. and to him i had to, e he gladly must say, and returned from immigration. in the year 23, he thought that a new free beautiful life was beginning, yes, and that means that he took the nep for some kind of new life, eh, and all sorts of difficulties immediately began. this is where the difficulties came in. uh, and he was trying to adjust to a new life , to a new air, to a new style, everything was not like, uh, like before, as he used to, everything was not like we say. well, yes, before the revolution, but nonetheless. this is the resistance of the material. it led to always leads to what? yes, he always had unconditional luck for something, uh, stories, but then he wrote plays. he wrote. everything, he wrote everything, yes, but not everything he liked the fact that something didn’t

work out because there is. uh, really a whole area that he opened up, for example, there are disputes of russian science fiction or soviet science fiction, many supposedly engineer gagarin and elite have different attitudes. i really love things. they are very good they are very good they are they are alive they are good and uh, they understand with humor alexei tolstoy and since the era sometimes drove to paphos, the worst thing that he had was, of course, wartime texts, because wartime causes paphos and he had to leave the work on peter i , which he did not write like that, and do it. that's exactly what our er interlocutor on the other side of the screen will remind us in journalism, that alexei nikolaevich tolstoy died in the forty-fifth year, without completing his main work peter i, we will say more about this, because he created the image of peter i so popular. yes, in general, yes, yes. in general, always he always wanted, uh, and when they say

that this is stalin's order. no no no no he had a very early story of peter's day, of course, this era was interesting to him, she said that from the era of peter and with the personality of peter our own existence is ours. bound mouths of fat ones yes, of course dalnik tolstoy yes, that means pyotr andreevich tolstoy who yes, he is the common founder of our clans leo tolstoy of this branch and ours when there was a confrontation, it means that peter and sophia took that side of the other against peter there relatives, was miloslavsky and he was to be executed. well, somehow he persuaded peter not to execute him. there, apparently, some other people were also busy, and, according to legend, peter told him the head of the head, no matter how smart he was. i would have ordered you cut off and given him another job. in particular.

so he was supposed to serve as an envoy uh in istanbul hmm uh huh and he had to carry out various delicate assignments, he carried them out, uh, and so one of these delicate, uh, assignments was to return tsarevich alexei from italy where he fled and sat down tightly and began to somehow prime and accept, which means some kind of uh, well, in general , to plot against peter and he had his own party, which, uh. i also wanted to shoot peter. he was very inconvenient for many and to return this very dead tsarevich and then manage him. hmm, peter andreevich got out by deceit, lured and took out the tsarevich yes, and that, uh, it means that peter himself personally tortured executed and for this tsarevich alexei is cursed with fat people up to the twentieth knee . hmm in front of you is a damned man, let's hope it's not most none. i understand. well, where is journalism to do with it, but a lot of bunins and others said that alexey tolstov was a belly of talents. here is the word belly inside.

it was repeated very often, that is, indeed, i completely agree with this. i have my own theory. about the fact that hmm, he did not like and could not, uh, finish the work and that's it. in general, uh, supports this wonderful thing of mine. uh, i don’t know or someone would say that this is due to fear, mortal, for example, yes, the more the more difficult finish because see viper, beautiful thing. it starts from the end a woman comes and says i killed a man. and then it’s scary and the backstory is told. yes, that is, they are looped in this way. by the way, like a viper rings itself, now nikita's childhood is also absolutely amazing uh, the text is one of the best father no no. no, he is his childhood name, yes. yes, look at it, uh, it's practically an unfinished text. that is, there the last phrase is autumn. nikita passed the exam. moved to the second everything is fine

text that fits into the line of childhood. more precisely, we and gorky trilogy. yes, yes, the fact that there the ending is the same as everything was cut off by the ibicus. in general, i think it is artistically better than what he wrote. it ’s written there at the end, but there is fate or when the muse or someone, in general, stops my raised hand. with a pen. he says, enough, everything must stop, that is, there is no end, and peter has no end and could not be. he wrote somewhere alexei nikolaevich uh, my heroes are getting old, that i will do inspiration well with them when you are old. you come up with an idea, when it becomes, then you haven’t seen it any better. he did not see what would happen in the end, he wanted to pour forever . wonderful and the elite finished things, but there is also the golden key. again, the whole golden key is no longer satisfied with the constructive work, the ending suits absolutely. why because? everyone is in the theatre,

as readers or as the writer argues. that's very curious. well, in the beginning, as a reader. i took it all my life until i became a writer. hey, like a writer? i don't know what can be done here. that's what i am i'll tell you, but how to read, look they are, uh, everything is in a theater situation and there is a mysterious thing, if this is the very hearth , a canvas painted on canvas, closes some door, and it will open with a golden key. and here they are, finally. hooray win they open. and what is the theatre? well, yo-my, it's let's go in a circle. well, i didn't think about that. well , i remember how it was the anniversary of the appearance. this work and in the museum, which is located on spiridonovka street, once it was aleksey tolstoy, but there was a whole procession of dolls, which portray the heroes of pinocchio and people began to be interested in not political, this is some kind of uh. well, that's the political benefit of the cutter. yes, we demanded worship before literature. by the way, you say, it means, and

before that there was alexei tolstoy, yes, and even before that, she was a spiridonovka, and yes, it means he got it. well, at the end of the thirties, he received this mansion on spiridonovka street , but why? and because, that is, no one knew about this, only the fat ones know, because spiridon is by blood. we saw families. tolstoy is a patron saint. i i think that the moscow authorities, giving alexey nikolaevich no, they did not know where this providential such a way came from. yes, yes, but please tell me how did classic e come about, even with her it got so that they began to write to them. is it true that these conversations or anecdotes are benevolent, that it all started, as if with such a family life, but they began to write to tell all the cases, but that ’s all, it’s not true. yes, absolutely not. what is for families, even family life, family life and home life with my own parents there, as they say. there will also be the granddaughter

of mikhail leonidovich lavinsky and, probably, natalia kornerevskaya. well, this is already this . it should scare away any grandson, as when you have such a quality of grandfather and grandmother, then, of course, i need somewhere with this penza great absolutely translator of dante classic e languages. yes, this is your another one of your grandfather and his brother knew 22 languages ​​22 languages. moved your popularity refers to the already conscious of my age. i saw it all, and it was all sudden. i once stumbled upon a story we were in the fog. and i almost remembered his speech there by biologists who, in difficult times of perestroika, write articles in some popular encyclopedia and write wolf wolf belly and no. boring will not take writes bear animal. such-and-such. no, you need something more fun, and then with him, it turns out approximately. that's what a means. mm,

the dashing bad weather is just amused, as it breaks out, the migan blizzard is disturbed, the internal metabolism of utoptygin with a concomitant increase in the lipid layer. i realized that well, uh write. maybe so very talented person. here's me for me tatiana tolstoy began with this paragraph, but it's absolutely brilliant yes, how it all began. i had eye surgery. after that i 3 months. but i didn’t see anything, my eyes hurt like hell, and i was in a state. that's how dark it is around us here. here are the audience, it may not be visible, but there is an ink theme here. so i had to sit in this inky darkness, because any light cut. these eyes are cut to me and thus i got into a situation of such informational emptiness. and it's akin meditation. it was a kind of meditation. i didn't go through a single line. and now, when everything is gone, when all this husk itself is rotten and other unnecessary information is gone, then actually because of the salt, so to speak. springs

obviously they made their way out. i began to see uh, pictures, uh and these in the form of text hear them, well, that is, you become a writer when you stop being a reader, but in your case it was like that, i don’t know the rules, no, uh, at first i didn’t really understand what it was connected with the operation, that is, here meditation after operations, but er immediately soon, then back to the newspapers. i passed. eh, some person. he taught mathematics was an ordinary teacher. and suddenly he discovered in himself the ability. e hmm in my head to count. er, well, multiply huge numbers. yes, yes, yes, but before she didn’t have it, and he began to perform there at fairs to earn money. here he is asked for an interview. and how is it that such a talent awakened you. he says, yes, i don’t know, i did the operation and then with my text. i mean, i figured out what it is. these are the ones who teach meditation, they

doing it right every person should at some point, if possible , if there is free time, well, at least for a month , go into yourself disconnect disconnect from uh information from the outside world, because it is endless, in fact you turn on something else . yes , this will turn on, it will be cleaned, washed out, and what you are capable of. and what are you capable of, maybe this mathematics? maybe something else , what if a violinist is some kind of magic burner? yes, when people, uh, a sanatorium live there somewhere, and something completely different wakes up with them. well here's the skill. yes here is a great great novel. we all go to some kind of relic releases. that's very conditional, very much so we bring. we must e we think that we have already taken place at home already we must do this and that during the day so invented yes somehow it is not so. i'm dmitry bak, i'm hosting a podcast, let them talk, let them read , and today is my interlocutor. uh, the writer tatyana

nikitina is fat. here is a book about the golden porch, and the one i keep, it is already in such a not very cheerful state. but this is wonderful. uh, 10 is shown. this is the first a collection, and the stories of the eighty-seventh year on the gold ring were sitting in a circulation of 60 5,000 copies, while it was not on sale. he was all driven out in the republic, of course, when there was such a manner that you don’t need to read, you don’t need to, well, the book is in short supply , to be honest, they didn’t want to print it, it means the boss, who hmm would agree to print, but only in that see how they did it. i don't know, it's a little different than what you wanted. yes, well, what they showed me was not so. that is, there everything was cut to pieces. i say, no, i won't be in this. no, it's clear, it's clear, no, but we know better how to do it. no, you won't

print a technician. i'm taking her. and hmm no. you leave, we will, so here we are doing it in a redone form. i say excellent, i'm leaving you and soon your hut will be rolled out on a log by your young guard, and where does he get the information from? it's clear. eat. i understand, and everything came back. as a result as a result, they printed, as needed, and we talked about this, the debit. and now, as always in the middle of our program of our issue , a few words about another tolstoy, about nikolayevich's love, and this book has its own history. i bought it almost by accident and even thought of giving , well, such a gift to a person who understands the literature of the old edition of 1912, but when i took this little book the spine is for you. already in hand. i realized that i could not leave her. here is a three-volume book, which e was published by e, beloved daughter. and the tolstoy edition

of alexandra lvovna tolstoy, edited by vladimir grigorievich chertkov, and now in 1912 these are three volumes. they are sewn together here. in one convoy. even visible, the border between them yes and uh, here is the reader. uh, here is the volume, the first one is clearly visible, on this title the reader of that time got the opportunity to get acquainted with those works that tolstoy did not publish for many years, because he had a very complex relationship between fees and property to professional writing. we know such stories of conflicts within the family of sofya andreevna chertkov's wife. uh, lev nikolaevich, we know that this is the publication he wears. here is such a here, and red the verdict is allowed to be printed free of charge, that is, tolstoy, uh, well, practically uh, hmm

, in a positive sense, doomed his work to what we call public dement, that is, to reprint without a share of heirs. this is a whole social story, but for me, of course , it is mainly an artistic story, because here from the story after the scores of the soviet era, which were part of the school curriculum due to social motives, to absolutely brilliant things. father sergiy is khadzhimurad here. here the devil, here, having two editions and also, no matter how half completed thing devil, great er, thing. that's all, it overtook the admirers of tolstoy a in 1912. and more than a year later, er, after his death, it was, well, such, as it were, the posthumous will of tolstoy, because literature lived for him. it was an act and an absence; literature was also an act. and after his death, these same works. eh, come to the reader. i would very much like

to emphasize once again that the book like a cubic piece of a smoking conscience, this definition of boris pasternak is also very important. she communicates talks to us. even if we don't read it in its entirety. that's all that we, together with the honest rivals , told you all this and there is an emotion that owns us. e, our communication with these works is important precisely because they are part of this book, which could be bought in bookstores and shops in 1912 after a long wait, when these books of the story remained under the cover of a written article. uh, lev nikolaevich well, now let's get back to another line of the kind of fat, by the way , more nikitichne, eh. costs. well, there is one more a book of value that cannot be overestimated. and this is cassie's novel. eh yes, i

remember you speaking somewhere. eh, i was at that performance. they said something such that every line. eh, you already knew me before the war. i remember this emphatic saying. you somehow made this novel stand out. and now, thank god, i have forgotten it, so i can even re-read it . well, i, in principle, have a very bad memory. although hmm this is the so-called writer's memory. i read, so in one book there are funny features of writer's thinking. well, it's a very common thing that the memory of writers doesn't remember, and it makes a lot of sense, because if you remembered, you couldn't. eh, that's it, impersonating those, yes, uh, you would be bothered by your own. the texts that you remember the knowledge of such overcrowding, what interferes, because when you are at work in the moment, everything is in order with

your head, but then it's all thrown out , thrown out i had an aunt and marianna alekseevna daughter. e, alexey nikolaevich hmm , she was, in principle, a professor of chemistry. or maybe she was an adrenaline literary. and here i was talking to her. she says i used to compose elements in my youth. here they published it even in the new world, somewhere else, but i could not write. at least i would like to, because i have disgusting properties. i have an amazing memory. i remember everything. here, look, she pointed, that is, at the locker. there is a fight there. bunina she says, you can take any house in the middle. yes open in the middle to read the phrase. i will continue to you until the end. she says it's torture. tanya it is torture to remember everything, it is torture to write in such a state. you can't, and she didn't. eh, you just forget later, then at the moment of creating things. he must have been different. he

keeps things in his head that are not related to the mouth. yes, something like an altered state, when you enter a state of writing, a structure or emotions, there is an emotion there, but this structure is not a certainty of what it consists of. and then there are the cosmic clouds. being there, some kind of plasma is spinning, you know, there are some lightnings sparkling, the devil knows what there is light there, no light there, or it seems to us, through telescopes. we do not know. here comes you. some state. you feel this very text, like, he went to wait, and you feel him. eh, volume. you may be right wrong. so. it. it hmm can be finite, it must be the final text must be, of course, and not all uh, its sides are visible to you. well, i'll start, i'll try. you must not know until the end, if you know what to write to her no, it's yes, it's too late. no, in general, you think, but i i don’t know where it will end, and let it be so for now along the way, we will see. and when you go

to this end, suddenly you understand? no, it wasn't the right way. we will now turn around like this, that is, he himself begins, if you live this childhood with him, without any calculation, or is it this is he is this, well, good. you know, it's intuitive. i would say. uh, here's a calculation in the sense that you can write to him on a piece of paper and write on it, but definitely. i'm at any moment, you throw it out, of course. by the way, his pasternak again same i have all time comes on uh, hmm memory. eh, in our conversation. he has a wonderful one. definition we cease to recognize the reality of all things. ah, they take on a new dimension. and i , by the way, speak approximately and we see the difference between the old image of reality and the new one that we just saw, we try to call this difference, it turns out art. yes, very much, it seems that something reminded me of what you are saying, well, that's when you , as you said then, i quote you again

before the war. well, that is, here, yes, the last details were felt. uh, all the back alleys of this novel. hmm . was that a special occasion, because there's not much to hang on to? this is such a dreamlike reality. no, there are quite a few meanings, uh, that are found there, so to speak, well, as in a person there is a skeletal system, a circulatory system , a lymphatic system, a nervous system. yes, there are different systems. all these systems are there, there is a backbone on which it rests, that is, less. yes, there is less life, because this is a fictional world. yes, in this sense, that is, there is little soviet there. what is different here, when you live in soviet times, is understandable and you need incomprehensible, like 90. 3 rubles. support a family of four a month, damn. i know about the store but there is nothing. well, to me, the

smallest salary i had was less, but i know it was less. yes, i worked for 1 month as a postman, delivering telegrams. in the summer i worked as a student, yes, yes, and they had a salary of 4 rubles. and you could e go to such a salary for a month. and it was possible by the piece. here he took a gram or three kopecks. it was interesting, in principle, well, yes, 34 34 rubles. we're a little earlier than uh. hmm i was thinking the plot. i also have to be fruitful , let's move on to the book the felt age. they 'll talk more. there is about it, but about the soviet reality, but still a novel for a second. here is one of one of these neurolymphatic systems, uh, i was missing. that is , i understood that the book needed to be built somehow and it needed some kind of book. skeleton, yes, i also had endlessly there exactly this and i found it in the alphabet.

that is, i realized that i need e roman e, break it into pieces, e into chapters alphabetically, and when i entered this alphabet, it quite easily broke up roman into these same chapters, while i deliberately rearranged the letters e in this alphabet. there, closer to the end , i rearranged the letters in places, changed the order of the letters, not a single person noticed this. i didn't notice either, honestly, it's important because they say, uh, books. they say it was a favite. they say that the alphabet is the basis, but at the same time they alphabet indeed. well, uh, well, i remember that chapter. that's what i need to know, but it's great. you know, our dear readers , read the novel by tatyana tolstaya kys and you will see the modified russian alphabet, and the old names of the noble letters of the abc in the form of the verb good are.

we all remember philologists, then all the alphabets that were, because there were all kinds of and peter carried out reforms, yes , i don’t know omega and some others, or who there advised him at all omega long o i am against all this , you understand, because uh hmm simplification opponent of the reform, which leads to simplification , too, when they call me petrovich well, in one of the options, they go back to the letter sound. i see that e forest is yat. uh. i see here and dialects. i understand that yes, villas in polish, yes, that is, uh, the fact is that the same letter kills the difference in the sounds that were there with it, but just, uh, yat, i'm very

sorry, i don't, because i don't. we have a separate long sound. a. is that a shock position. well, okay. i mean, it's for beauty. too bad, huh? yes. yes, that's what yes, yes, yes, yes in french in german i understand well, that is, you are also against simplification, i am for complication. this directly concerns our podcast, our dear interlocutors, because reading is a habit, like the perception of a complex text. kenya establishes new neural connections in the brain you will not get alzheimer's if you want to get alzheimer's. well, don't read anything. yes, this is our slogan tatyana tolstaya speaks wonderfully about our podcast, because i am convinced of this, the same applies to the first letter. yes, the pen does not write at all angles, but a ballpoint pen or there is a thick felt-tip pen, it destroys fine motor skills, that is, reading is the fine

motor skills of the brain absolutely and so accessible. well, she leaves because you have to lie on the internet. we hide the so -called tackle, yes long text. it's a lot of beeches here. as people say, we are used to it, only to have a text that means itself. yes, well, i must say. that's what i have to say that i myself read on the screen on the big screen. i can't on the phone. yes, these yes on the big screen, uh, and i must say that few people care about convenience for me to read bad fonts, the inability to expand and make a larger one some kind of simplification. everything is also shown to students what format the book is. remember, you were a proofreader. yes? remember some kind of format corrector. i was a junior editor of a case on the rector's salary. especially, well, yes, labor rates are low. here excuse the offset, but i remember some kind of format, and

i remember it's 84 by 108 in 1/32 share. yes, they again, as they say, because all this is gone, the text that we are going on the screen with us released. he is very many. this is what awaits us. here is the runner. and this is kant. and this is captal. and this is the title page and typefaces. well, we will separate the helvetia from the academic, and hmm, the simplification leads to what we see, as it were, only the text. yes , nothing, not burdened with burdens, but such that it was sweet. this is the complexity in general, here, i would also draw these medieval initial letters in the books, so that some birds of the girl's ribbon were intertwined there. yes, but i know that you love it for years killed. in general, the book edition, i agree, oh well. well, after all, we started with journalism and said that in terms of blues this is something incomprehensible or too general,

but you really have texts that hmm, well, on the verge, yes, in particular this book, which i love very much . this is the age of felt and the book was also published some time ago, but seven years ago, but nevertheless perceived as fresh, eh. here, uh, how do you feel about that? this is what this memoirs are sketches, there is a lyrical hero, that just a story about a person who, uh, shares his everyday experience, there is no cross-cutting plot, what kind of book is the felt age of tatiana nikitichny tolstoy here i have collected different texts from different times, and which are connected by more or less one theme uh, stagnation. that's how we lived, how i lived, and the seventies with the beginning of the eighties, maybe yes , it spilled over. eh, here, there is no stagnation. dates, some moment has stagnated and you live, what is there, the main thing is the absence of a deficit is not simplicity. hmm there all the main constraint movements.

you are not enough where you can move to go abroad does not exist does not exist. just some weird people. sometimes some komsomol workers. yes, they go abroad, but not for us. here we are ordinary people. we do not understand how to do this, even in bulgaria you will not get. well, also the incredible hmm dexterity and survival of people, uh, the wit that they use in order to survive in this situation, well, somehow adjust, yes, yes, of course, some kind of sacred sacrifice, for example, a person liked large plywood plywood depending. how can you no one will give himself, so, uh, the engineer thinks hmm goes to the director or some boss there and says and keeps such a small surname like that. yes, and he says, semyonovich is there , uh, here the plywood was to take home, i need to take it here well, uh, you tell the watch that they let me through from the plywood. so, let

kozlov pass with plywood there. hmm, that he is, then there is a huge plywood. it's astro-smart you have some kind of reality in the science of life magazine was wonderful, but the home master's advice section, right? you could have a toothbrush make a refill for a ballpoint pen and a refill for a ballpoint pen, a paint sprayer from the paint sprayer of the second shirt. yes, a mop can be made from some even rubbish. and that's it. eh, the felt age is just such a book. that's exactly how i perceive it. this is a woven portrait from scraps. eh, a decade and a half, it would probably be right to say so in one word. uh, it was forever until it ended like this is the name of one of the books about this time and uh, we talked about a recent comparison book and about older times hmm and we certainly hope that you will give us new books. we are waiting for this, but, uh, some in

the session that interfere with some things. for example, i had conceived such a collection dedicated to food, and i just don’t have enough volume. uh, so that it turns out here. well, i know to think about it more. now i 'll deal with it, i don't know, uh, i have one plan, then i have another, in which i will not speak, and so as not to jinx it, because i will say everything as i say. so it doesn’t work out and a book will be published soon, uh, dedicated to the memory of alexandrovich timofeevsky, we are his friend, who came up with the name felt age, he is the son of the wonderful poet alexander pavlovich timofeevsky book. it consists of two parts. it consists of conversations about culture, which i mean with him there are about five of them. uh-huh. and i think this is a unique genre. so you say, a publicist is not a publicist. no, this is generally a new genre, it’s some kind of correspondence from two angles, so let’s say memories of it

memories there is a check of 30. so i found that agreed and they were able to write memoirs, and somehow we will somehow fix some image of it. already there is a bright person. it is a pity that he is not there, he is missing. we will wait for your new books, both this and others, and i can only rejoice at how much we have coincided today, and we have coincided in the main thing, we have coincided in that a modern person needs to read to maintain brain activity and normality. uh, we had another edition of the literary podcast. let them talk, let them read, and i'm the host dmitry bak, we are their interlocutors. e was tatyana nikishina is fat, and our modern wonderful writer and i don’t know, maybe a publicist in part. eh, i tell you what i always say at the end of our programs , read with pleasure.

hello this is a podcast life is wonderful. my name is aleksey varlamov today we will talk about the wonderful idols, but not only about them, we will talk about the literature about the novels of the writer evgeny vodolazkin, doctor of philology. hello. evgeny germanovich. hello alexey nikolaevich e. i thought in this number it was already possible to say it, sort of. well, by the way, since we are talking about childbirth, and i want to explain right away that the guest suggested the topic. why this particular topic seems to you the most interesting is, in general, a well-known concept

and like you and a everyone has some idea of ​​​​this, but the idea is rather vague. and so i would like that in our conversation, we kind of talked in more detail about the phenomenon itself and very well, we must clarify. well, let's do everything so that the holy fools in our country felt rightly understood, uh, and surrounded by, uh, care and kindness. and you think we have a lot now i gave birth. i think there are always fools, and uh, there are different forms and relationships. maybe we 'll talk about this uh in the future, but in general , her kinship is a kind of spiritual achievement and kinship is associated only with christianity. uh, there is, uh, some form of uh, which in different

cultures is similar, uh, similar to kinship. uh, uh, there are some things in the east that seem to resemble her kinship and in the west. well, let's say jester but something is a different institution. it's a completely different matter. this jester is an astronomically exalted person, but this person does not have any special spiritual basis. and it seems to be this person who takes the term for this. it can be said that e is a super-legal feat, but because there is asceticism in christianity. uh, there are uh, others. uh, a type of holiness, but foolishness is the only type of holiness that is not subject. well, what about the regulations and it seems, as the ancient russian texts say

they rage because it is a kind of holiness, which is ashamed of itself , holiness, which wants to hide that it is holiness and therefore behaves like holy fools. uh, very strange. he wants to escape glory from the man in this respect too. e, when they ask, but let's say some artists hmm who arrange performances and others, it seems to be not, it doesn't seem to be, because the holy fools are furious, glory from a person, they are looking for her. and this is a different goal , there are different types, its natural relationship, when well, just a person, uh, with some deviations. from birth, but there are people who come to foolishness, which is a very important

characteristic of the motherland, they almost never relate to it, where they were born, and where everyone knows them, they leave. well, it seems that they leave not only the world in which they lived, they leave the world, in general, therefore , the transition to foolishness was often called death to the world, death to the world, despite the fact that he is present in this world, but he is present very strange quality, and as if he were outside, put something in relation to this world. after all, as far as i understand, when we read some kind of life, we perceive it as a kind of example. yes , to take an example, but to take an example from the heroic ones would be rather strange. it seems to me that it cannot be, that some kind of baton of some school of some tradition to pass on this

holy fool to khir. or i'm wrong, but in fact, holy fools, too, just like ascetics always assume a certain one. eh, so to speak, examples in the same way gave birth to her. eh, and often. uh, let's say even in the lives it is indicated that he follows, but let's say to andrey of tsargradsky he did, that, and that and or there he, following the seed place, to whom u did, that and that, well, we are unlikely to meet that some kind of xenia of petersburg follows another woman, after the death of her husband, began to wear a man's dress and call herself. andrey, yes, a unique story, it seems to me that it is precisely its own absolutely and originality that seems to be interesting. yes, and this cannot be repeated, it is not necessary, it is impossible. it can only be once, and they seemed to be very closely following

how it was before them. eh, it wasn't like that. such information channels, where could they? the lives of the herods were different , there were people from very good families. here, and besides, you didn’t have to be literate if, for example, you are in a monastery, because you usually read the lives at the meal. it turns out that a person left the monastery and became heroic. no, he was sometimes within the monastery, and, as it seems, they depressed their body, and they wore two-pound religion, 32 kg. yes, they wore an ass. here are the different materials. i am not an expert. it's not here i will speak, but it is already described to you.

that's what, but the bristles, they were bristles, they wore inside was so sharp that the radio constantly bled. i have e in the lavra. a clever story about the holy fool thomas, i like it very much. he's the kind of person, uh not to say hmm very hmm ceremonial that's it but he's the vocabulary is appropriate and the vocabulary is appropriate uh. there is such a scene. i think i can see her well. and if you shoot it, maybe someday it will work out. here he is dying. and he decides to free the city at least for a while, pskov is from demons, and he is walking around the city and everyone knew that thomas was dying and the whole city went out and followed him and thomas threw

stones, to destroy at least the most impudent demons. at some point, his eyesight failed, and he says, depart the light from my eyes, they put stones in his hands, and he threw these stones at demons. that's the kind of fighter he is. ah, thomas, uh, oh and kind. you are arseniy, he was more of a gentle person, and on the one hand, you need someone who throws stones at demons, but on the other, you definitely need someone who who speaks like angels himself, and these are different types of foolishness, and it’s wonderful that they are different wonderful. so this was a podcast. the life of the wonderful and and the writer evgeny germanovich

vodolazkin was our guest. glory to your present, glory to the lord