and there is nothing like it. in such plans no insisted. uh regarding a number of internal issues and the question of how we pro how we build the internal budget, but there is no evidence that there were negotiations between wet and canoe about how much uh? and what are we sending to ukraine, so uh, there is no reason to think that anything will change. uh, entering the next budget cycle. uh, i think the biden administration will be free to send, uh, almost everything went. they want henry kissingers on saturday. has it been fulfilled? well, of course, this is under all conditions, and the age is quite respectable, but what an incredible case this is in the first place.

who has fully retained the brilliance of his intellect and his analytical abilities, but the main thing is that this very middle-aged man who won fame back in the fifties, that he remains absolutely relevant today and that they talk about him not about some honorary resignation, but as about a real factor in international discussions, you met vitaly with him. you knew him, how would you define the role of kisseler in contemporary political discussions and does he have any influence outside of the united states , in your opinion . although it is not necessary to exaggerate it, it is not in vain that he is considered a representative of that trend in

politics and political science, which is called realism. he is a realist and has always been a realist and remains that political realist to this day. i think what he is doing today. this is his attempt to develop. this is the direction of united states in american, but social and political thought and continue to influence diplomacy. to what extent does this influence persist? it’s hard for me to judge , of course, in the united states, but i would say that in the world, including here, i really had to meet with him and, working together with evgeny maxim, see more than primakov. what, so to speak, personal contacts were fruitful then? and how, maybe, something changed, eh casenger, but i would say that today in the east in the countries that i know, it is better than a strange west to him such a mixed opinion. uh, there's mixed opinion about him.

there are countries that, uh, remember historical grievances, such as cambodia where the order was given and the e syndrome during the vietnam war about bombing. this country. for them, this is the embodiment of evil, and there are people in the middle east who think so, but nevertheless, i would give him an assessment exactly like that, that he is a realist who is trying today to somewhat adapt some of his own. uh, famous dogma to the new color to the new situations. thanks andronik as a result, if you are interested, we met with him more than once. and, of course, they closely followed his work, and a simple question is practically nothing in the middle. stvennogo and not with his past. and if he has real influence in america today when we listen through today, we should take it, but if you want, as an interesting point of view or how it

really influences the formation of the american position, let's say in ukraine with all proletarian frankness i want to say no influence today hessenger does not have an impact on american politics in the fourteenth year. he said. and by the way, then they spoke in unison with bigzin's ukraine - this is a mistake in the movement in nato ukraine. he even said non-bloc status - this is the only thing that's normal. no need to irritate russia there and so on and so forth. i have to say that, unfortunately, i have a lot of respect for him. i have read all of his books. i have talked to him many times, but i will not take up time now. uh, some even funny things. he once spoke to me, but now to me

he seems really sane. now i will say a paradoxical thing, because in recent years he has changed his position several times, and this causes. just simply can't help but cause irony i no longer want to say that you imagine the last thing he said. ukraine must be accepted into nato because nato will keep it. otherwise, ukraine will break russia and conquer russia, but more brad it is hard to imagine even from a person not of that level. i'm sorry. and why do i think, ah, because he thinks about eternity and how will be buried. and what will they say, if he

suddenly does not say this, he will say it, but here he is again a type, because today even 19 even brush inger is afraid to tell the truth about ukraine. this is a nightmare. on what is happening in the west, but jelly did not say. and as for ukraine crushing russia well , he said that he fears the situation, and when ukraine, with the help of the collective west , becomes one of the most powerful military powers in europe with the most well- armed army. and that since there are guys, as it were, so to speak, he is inexperienced used the expression, and without brakes, he was afraid of what they could do if there were no deterrent mechanisms such as nato membership and nato would restrain ukraine here. i don't know, i don't know how

real it is, but it's really his intention. yes it is. it is his married at that age. it would be possible to keep silent, but a double. okay, uh-huh . okay, uh, uh. i think that's the age. and how much do you talk about a person who does not apply for any positions, but simply expresses his opinion, and moreover, it is not for anyone he is not imposed, but he is asked and chased after him with a request for an interview. i believe that he has the right to jump out his opinion, huh? ruslan, you also know kissinger, how do you understand his approach to russia, you know? it is extremely difficult for me to tell about this. here is his full approach to russia of the episode, which i and i witnessed for the first time, when a young ukrainian activist stood at one event and said, i am a former member of the ukrainian parliament. but i think that one of the problems in the world is that there

are few women in foreign policy? how do you like it seems that more women are needed in foreign policy? to which kisinger said. you know they never saw people by gender . i have always divided people into smart ones into stupid ones. there should definitely be more smart people, but there should not be stupid people. yes, and the lady, as if her agenda collapsed, and the second moment i personally approached him at some point, even wiping out others, and there was a tense about iran. there was a feeling that the americans could either bomb or give permission to the israelis to bomb, and i asked him this question. he says, you know, i haven't in business. i haven't been a consultant in a long time. i really hope that in my country there is an idea that you need to hit in order to achieve some political goals, and what goals can america achieve . if it starts bombing iran now or gives permission, there will be no bombing of israel and no bombing happened. therefore in my opinion, how to criticize a person. it's not

worth it, maybe we just need to see what he had in mind, every time he says he likes this soviet term agul i apologize. i knew kissinger, uh, 45 years. i was never close to him, but i met him. uh, quite often, especially in the late seventies, simply for the reason that we worked in the same organization, the center for strategic and international studies and collided in many places, including in the elevator and. uh, he always made a big impression on me. here is the conversation that i remember , this is the conversation in which the russian ambassador, uh, yury, took part.

said that if this happens, it will not be a crisis between russia and ukraine, but this will lead to serious international ones. shock. unfortunately he was right and the last thing i wanted to say. i remember well in 1993, i had a meeting with richard nixon. e was in new york and i acted as his unofficial adviser on international affairs, and we talked for quite some time, and i started looking at my watch. and mr. president told him that in america, former presidents are always called president, so this is the only way i contacted him. i said mr. president and i'm sorry no. i think i have to go because i have a 2:00 appointment with

dr. kiseler. didn't like it very much, what is it? i'm talking to the former president. i can't but stay for a few minutes to finish the conversation. he says henry can wait. yes, that's what i 'm saying, i know, of course, that he can wait. well, in general, if we want to get his opinion, it might not be worth starting a conversation with him with the fact that it will take me a long time. and there was a pause. i realized that in general, nixon did not like again, because i said it right, and then he smiled and said dimitri means actually. we understand that kissinger from vere greatman is a truly

great man. and this is the main thing that we should know about him. far from it means, as andronicus rightly noted, that kissinger is always right, and this does not mean that we should follow his foreign policy recipe. and he, by the way, is an american and russian politician. naturally, it looks bell towers. but that's the main thing for me when i think about this person. you know, i'm embarrassed to say there was a time of giants in america in europe of politicians on a truly grandiose scale. and i think that if today there were people in washington dc in london brussels, at least remotely of this class. i don't think we would have found ourselves in the very difficult situation you are in today, it was a big game, see you tomorrow on the air.

hello, i'm larisa guzeeva, this is a podcast of letters we will talk to today leonid yarmolnik about the people's artist, alexander abdulov, who turned 70 on may 29. laziness despite what we call a podcast of letters. today we will somehow manage without these very letters and without sasha's book, because there is already something to talk about. we met about a week ago, and you told me so bitterly, and in my company, besides me, there was no one left oleg left alone. well, i, for example, remember your trinity always stood out at film festivals, for example, you somehow

sewed at all and existed completely separately there was a feeling that you were truly rich and famous, you were beautiful, you were somehow very fashionable, and at the same time relaxed. natural but unattainable, as in this trinity in the hotel, kovachenkovskiy and sasha, how it all fit together, but basically it depended on sasha, because not a day without a line. if we have already arrived, we are a great gift. this means a good festival, or some kind of good meeting. well , they were always the main ones, but the main thing for us is always sasha, if everyone goes to a restaurant, then maybe the best restaurants. and it did not depend at all on how much money we had in our pocket, because this issue was decided later, for example, the commission of a boss. and i think that there are still living witnesses, despite the fact that many years have passed. back then we always had

an old wto restaurant on tverskaya , you tell me on the corner. yes, you know everything, so sasha and i went there, almost every day. and if it's not a performance, then it's early, if it's a performance, it's after the performance, the restaurant closed at about 12 o'clock at night, and we went there, we have independents. money or not? and there were cases when sasha and i went to creative meetings, like you, you know, to earn money around the country. so we were returning, and when we landed in moscow, the first place we went to, we went to the wto restaurant to give about 150-200 rubles. for those times. these are giant games. this is a huge amount of money, and we could not pay for a month, and sasha was so loved and treated with sympathy. well sasha was already a superstar. and i'm like, in short, don quixote and sancho, you don't forget, you forget it about the fact that sasha was a handsome woman. i was a character artist. what are the present to date loved? well, who love

such such. yes, you don’t need to be different, they loved another thing that you didn’t answer me, of course. oh well, i don't even know, i went to your podcast program. and i understand that you and i can talk about everything that you can talk about, but sashkin's birthday is like a reminder that it was the best in our life that you can’t talk outside of friends in your company. you were with him from the institutes acquaintances studied at different courses, but lived in a hostel at the same time, and your friendship began exactly then, but i can tell you that always, when one of our dear colleagues does not get up, they have a very many close friends. so it was the first with vysotsky. i generally fell silent, uh, everyone fell silent and

there were thousands the same way, and when sasha left , such a number of friends immediately appeared that i had never seen and did not know, although i am sasha e, well, in short, it turned out that longer you suddenly understand all the abdulovs for some reason, but in fact, when thought with close friends, indeed. i knew sasha for the longest time before everyone else in 1972. he was in his second year, go was, and i went to the first year at the shchukin school at trifonovka, 45b, and such a friendship began that had nothing to do with creativity. here we loved a beautiful life. i had a tape recorder in my room. i have already lived for six sasha on another floor, and basically there were two classes. or sasha met a new girl came to me for a tape recorder, not even to my classmate sasha deryugin. that's then the whole process took place to the music of jesus christ super. we

created sasha. god knows that sasha was always the initiator. i remember how, uh, the chechen studio. kabardinskaya fought, uh, and you know, they clashed because of what, because for some reason sasha decided that at 2:00 am, and on the trifonovka, these corridors were 70 meters, here in the corridors and doors. yes, yes, and, for some reason, sasha took and bought skittles in detsky mir, but the skittles were absolutely plastic, you know, so noisy hard, and we put the skittles by one window at the end of the corridor. and themselves it's at 2:00 nights and we played. in the kegg. you can't imagine what a roar and thunder it was, otherwise , uh, they came out, in my opinion, a chechen studio, and not in gitis, in my opinion, they studied. stalin to run into us. so sasha tried to sort things out with them. they were already on the brink of taking. uh, weapons and so on and so forth. and then it came out. uh, the studio of the kabardian shchukin school,

which they adored me and in general, uh, we continued to play for another 2 hours. and they had negotiations. yes, wall to wall. as for money. you know what kind of money we had when we were students. we basically generalize both the gitisites and the shchukins. did we scrape off the champagne bottles of this foil, and next. we had a collection point for glass containers, and sasha and i with four suitcases. went handed over there we already knew we did not stand in line. we were taken separately, we received, as a rule, there 8-10 rubles. there was a lot of money for this. naturally in the evening. uh, there was a holiday 8 years beautiful to live. it's innate , it's not exactly acquired. i mean, you were already like that. well, i think i do too like others did not know, never generous beautiful. uh, hospitable wide. here you were straight stars. now i'm taking care of the young. and they all live very correctly, no one smokes,

no one drinks, and everyone comes with their jars and closes in their actors. eh, and that's it, that's probably good. in connection with this, i want to tell you, because sasha, uh, nature gave such a face and such a figure, and i have a feeling that he was killing his beauty. so he did everything to ensure that this beauty quickly disappeared from him. i can say no, because sasha was beautiful always and in the last days. and when he first started, i was listed the first performance. it was still at the time of the beginning you are his friend, yes, i say physical beauty, he is you. eh, if she speaks tough, sasha, of course, incredibly, talentedly destroys herself. because she had no concept of 24 hours a day. it was 48 hours and all these 48 hours. he was on his feet, and he had enough time and energy for everything, he could act all day in the evening to play

a play, and then until 5:00 in the morning we could, uh, receive some guests to sashka byl of course, there brain backbone actor in the city of alma-ata we went between the royal performances for 3 1/2 days there from the society of book lovers and social studies. yes, it was more profitable from these organizations, and we had 31 performances in 3.5 days. no one even from our era, no matter how colleagues understands how it is physically. perhaps it. we just worked it's called a shuttle. that is , it began at 7:00 in the morning and ended somewhere at 12:00 at night. i, uh, sasha started at one point, and i started at another point at 7:00 in the morning, then we went. fragment, uh, sasha showed mine fragment, and i represent sasha represented his fragment during these 10 minutes, and the car was transported and after the fragment, sasha already left

, and i went out to another site and 30 e one performance. and it so happened that at the same time andrei mironov derzhavin and shirvindt were sitting there for a week and flying. back we are on the same plane with the same ones with the same task, then they also had creative meetings. and when we were already, uh, flying back , there was already such a plane that began to fly and eight six and sasha had already arrived, registered already ladders. all closed remained, only the first ladder is the commander of the crews. and sasha abdulov do you know why they don't fly away? you lingered, i held back, i was still standing on the stage at that time. that's me right, you know, how the detective drove me up, closed the grass and through after takeoff , 5 minutes later , andryusha mironov comes to us from the business class and asks. how are you? what? well, sasha's speech was saying, well , how many did you have thirty-one? and

how many of you are saying here, the dialogue ended for 3 days. so andrey left after 5 minutes comes wide. lyonka it's true, i say, of course, well, okay. they write that you are somehow apologizing and explaining, show everything, i say that show it, he says, well, show me the money. and we open two types of backpack. so here it is between the legs, it is worth opening. so here it is, and there are dozens of quarters worth two bags of money. well, now we can talk about it. we always know about it. well, i don’t know such details . sasha had a wonderful quality. and when we went somewhere , the company always grew, that is, we went together restaurant, but it turned out that we were already sitting at the table with about 15 people. sasha never let anyone get a wallet.

never in my life can one say that he was so omnivorous and always available to sasha understood. e your status, who is he and i don’t think that if someone saw that he was going with the company, and there are two people of abdulov’s yarmolnik, they could easily go to your table from that, that’s the moment when someone wants us join seeing. uh, as if to say blowing, then it was it depended on how many glasses. maybe they drank with sasha, if we drank 3. keaton was ready to make friends with a person. but, if this person was not worth it for sasha to communicate with him, then after 15 minutes he was sent this person. can lift such a huge thing? i spent the entire film sitting pressed to the seat. i felt like i was right there. you often wanted to fly into space. that's serious. i also want to relax profitable

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was very picky, but he was very communicative and lively, and he never was. here in that bad sense a star, which is what it is where are you yes yes he always was he knew the price, but he never he in this sense was unique in general more than all brand control. zakharov adored sashka sashka was like a theater talisman, despite the fact that this theater had an incredible number of stars of such first magnitude, ilions, and pelzers and yankov harnesses, and all these wonderful things are the link, but sasha was his favorite. he was like son and those performances where sasha had a role. and this theater was doomed to success. tell me about munchausen who or who or a hmm do you want me to tell a secret? yes, the fact is that from the fact that they were friends for many years, adored each other, not only with sasha. he was my first,

he was my godfather sasha to my daughter and uh, when there were auditions for the munhouse, but he still cared about my creative biography. it was 78 years old. and there were samples for this role of theophilus. i then many years later. i found out what it turns out to be. i was not the only candidate for the role of the theophile. here, and the fact that i played theophilus. this is not only because mark anatolyevich decided that the theophilus should be with such a face , such an abnormal one. and i think mostly. was it sasha abdulov who convinced mark anatolyevich zakharova that it is possible to play a theophilus in our country if there is a small introduction at the tip? the first time i saw myself on the screen in the film this year's detective for a second, and i, but did not remember anyone but you, when you got on our motorcycle. and it was written on your face that you are a very talented person. you were beautiful. and you

very talented. look, listen to you herman filmed. well in uh in my greatest movie what would i be today what did massage say today uh. wait wait, if next 70 years will be in 9 months. i've been younger all my life. i hope it's better for me. if i had this in connection with sasha, it’s very difficult for me to imagine everything. and if you sasha was friends with unlucky and not talented people, you understand and yakovsky and you had nothing to share, so you had a full-fledged friendship, even. if someone is at work, but could put in a word about some, then this is also not was. so you know, m-m brand. well, well, just invite me to do it for you, that is , even here you are from what sasha recommended. it was a huge plus for iran itself. well, of course, when we were filming

munchausen, and we went to germany, er, then the gdr. but since then there were tiny per diems, of course, nothing. i don't even remember where we were. now how much, well, i received some pennies. and quick-witted its aquarian. he said that we will get out of the situation. in short, we brought, uh, a huge can of, uh, black caviar. here he is i was sure that we are in the hotel where we will live, we will give it to the owner. he is there, by the way, the brand of the bundesmark, and we will have a lot. we threw it all away. no, nothing happened like that. so we achieved this caviar for 2 weeks, because no one bought it from us. and we have never eaten so much caviar in our lives, and were terribly amazed, and both mikhailovna churikova and oleg said, where did they get it, where did they buy it here. how much does she cost here? well, i often tell in order to well some things, probably the audience. sasha

was still scary. sweet tooth he could eat. eh, that's how much sweet will be easy to eat. i always say, yes and uh, he could eat, for example, we skip the line in prague cooking it was very much the same. this is prague cake and bird's milk. yes, we are always there without a queue, like everything is relatives, after 5 minutes we were already leaving with cakes. here they came. eh, russian. here they came, they put it on the table, and i went. excuse me, go to the toilet. when i returned 2 minutes later from the toilet from the bird milk, there was one piece of a big cake and sasha says, i would like you to try it too, so he giggles, and at the same time once. he fell ill, er temperature and i came to him in the morning. he says, i say , san can, some kind of medicine, he says, there are medicines, he says, and i say, well, what do you want? he says, i so want

condensed milk, he adored condensed milk. i say it's not a question. and i already had a zhiguli. i went to one store, the second third was not condensed milk, the shortage was terrible. so at some point i realized i went to crack, and the canteen i bought him condensed milk. only not in such a jar, but one that is supplied to the dining room is a three-kilogram jar. the same only hefty, you know? yes, i bring happy. it was sasha, it was about 12:00 in the afternoon. and we are always this condensed milk. she said that the young arti sty are watching everything, it may be that everything seems to be taken correctly. and if we didn’t have time to eat, everything was bought, a can, condensed milk , two holes, and that’s all and three fat ones. when you saved yourself at 12:00, you brought this bank next time. i came to him. i left for work for a shoot and arrived at his place at 7:00 pm. how much do you think there was in the jar of condensed milk? imagine, but everything was e everything

was long the next day. he's already played the show. how happy you imagine being a big child, of course, sasha was surprisingly still had friends. eh, well, god connected you. it's impossible otherwise. that's how to get together, because it's more than friendship you know how it began. i have already told this story somewhere. uh, when we were still students. and when we had free time, we not only unloaded wagons. we are were still working. no, in the cemetery, too, they dug graves for a week. why does linke always have money? it’s still, but 35 years old. she says, yes , he says, he has been working all his life. he says lvovsky, he says, so he will never take a penny from anyone in his life. he says when it was necessary, but she didn’t say that, of course, yes, that he even says he even worked. cemetery, well, it's due to

the fact that the actors are not all such feldipers, you know, in the cemetery, but not so much because of the money. how much was it? oh some acting interest, in general, what happens in the cemetery , how does farewell to serious people take place and i worked for a week for a week i dug despite the fact that i did it very badly, and there was just a foreman. uh, of us, of our actors, kiselyov was like that and he took me. he knew that i was interested in watching all this, i dug, then i came, i dug, and this was all the navagankovskoye cemetery, if you know, in the ognikovskoye cemetery, almost everything is on the sand. and when i came i reported that the grave was ready, and professionals were going there. a until i arrived and reported. all uh, the sand has collapsed and again there is no horror. no. the thing is, uh, when we had free time, we got through the fence. asfid and

ran around the production building, where the directors assistants sat, and we met no here, we knocked, the door opened and cheerful such young talented artists are not needed, boys. close the door fools. what yes, and we did it, about every week, and when it got to the point, we already had you, we don't need you. but it was so cool and so funny, and then we kind of hid it, and over the years we are proud of a century. this is a podcast of a letter, we are talking about alexander abdulov , who would have turned 70 on may 29, and my guest is the wonderful leonid yarmolnik . tell me, please, when did the casino appear in your life. sashka was generally a very gambling person. he loved to play poker. uh, and when did casinos come into existence. it was as if it was almost grief, because he could get

some rather significant fee to go and lose it in a casino, and he changed in character, his mood changed. casino on one side. i loved it very much, on the other hand i was afraid, because he was very angry. and i didn’t always go to the casino with him. i'm not that kind of player. i can also play a little in the casino to play some number of people to calm down. sasha never calmed down and there were times when he lost. he also left somewhere, borrowed money and returned there were cases when he and you. is it true, and what, when he filmed the bremen town musicians in egypt and there was nothing to pay, uh, the actors, well, in general, the group he went to play in the casino, won and, uh, money from the casino. yes, there were indeed some difficulties. i was there and we are not with him. it is beautiful. the legend that i support, because it doesn’t matter that sasha won the casino, or got the money, but he found the money that was needed in order for

him to be both the director and the producer in general , the organizer of everything. fate had already begun to test sash, and directly the most dear to youth he walked along this very edge of life and death, and this could have happened to him much earlier. here. tell stories that sound implausible, but it happened, but about the plane, when it could crash, when a fan of irina yes, this is horror. uh, of course, i found out about it the very next day, but from sasha, yes. and what about the plane? it was terrible, because there was an hour when , for example, i thought that sasha was in a plane crash, and he was sitting there. it was bad, as the weather can be and two tu-134s. well, in st. petersburg , one is the same as the other, and that’s all, and the girls who adored sasha, he was already sitting already sleeping. he's

usually on the plane. he switched off immediately. so he sits alone, and everyone is not led to the landing, because it turns out, uh, delay. she and i tell him that they are next, and he flew to him, like at 10 he already had to enter the frame. and here i am talking about what these 15 minutes decided, it's not that i had a delay of some kind of star, because one of the planes on which he could fly really suffered. and like a disaster, horror a. so, when the plane crashed, i told you about it, that i knew that he was flying to st. petersburg. yes. i flew on the set and it was like some hour, the most terrible thing in my life , i know over the years. i realized that it can take a long time talk about sasha about how wonderful he is, unique, not repeatable, but beloved. well, in order to understand him,

thank god there are not very many pictures and