so he sits alone, and everyone is not taken to the landing, because it turns out, uh, a delay. she and i tell him that the next support is an insignificant minute 20, and he flew to him, like at 10 it was already necessary to enter the frame, damn it, and he was talking about the fact that these 15 minutes decided, this is not what i had the delay is still sashkin's some kind of star, because one of the planes on which he could fly. uh, really, he suffered a plane crash. horror a. here. uh, when the plane crashed, i told you about it, what i knew that he flies to st. petersburg e yes, he flew on the set and how, for some hour, it was the most terrible in my life, you know, over the years. i realized that you can talk about sasha for a long time about how wonderful, unique and unrepeatable he is. uh, beloved, but in order to understand him, thank god they have a lot of pictures and

wonderful pictures. to be honest, i think that the best sasha's paintings, this painting by mark zakharov, is kill the dragon. it `s naturally. ordinary miracle. this is the same munchausen , see why women fell in love with sasha understandable, but he was for what i could never understand this. why is he in it not in me, but yes, look, uh. well, he's handsome. well sasha was loved. i have a feeling that he was loved by all this disgusting vile yellow press that poisoned him and sasha reacted to it like that, but they earned their filthy bread like that, tell me, but he was over it or loaded, he was over it and just touched on this topic. the fact is that sasha and i often got into fights, because he did not like it when, uh, interfere in his personal life and it was a couple of

sashkin's birthdays. even now i remember, one of them was in the ciddel, and he asked that no one be allowed in, then there were no iphones and, uh, various journalists and photojournalists. all the same, they tracked and took pictures, and we went out and they began to take pictures on the street. yes, yes, and uh. sasha snatched someone this camera and smashed it on the pavement, and i was like that. well, maybe a three-minute fight, in which i also participated, of course, then there were statements we were called to the police and filed a case, but we naturally, they won the case. do you know why? because the investigators all adored sasha , sympathized with me and understood that we were right. and it was still such a period when hmm is not. it uh hasn't hurt yet. sasha, on the other hand, it all happened very quickly, almost at lightning speed, that moment when it became clear that he was ill, but

do you remember when, on the set of garin in astrakhan, and there, thank god, everything ended with his stomach. well, you brought it to moscow later. it turned out what it was, but in a completely different zone i was oncology there, and then everything was instantaneous. i traveled almost to him. if not every other day, and i remember that he was in rublevka but yura buziashvili was lying, and i arrived. uh, the thirty -first or the thirtieth of december. and in the yard he put a victory. i have a victory because, but i didn’t see sasha, and i drove into the yard and went up to him. he saw victory. and of course, it was impossible for him to leave the hospital, and he still went to the dacha to his mother. e to his family to his brother, and after a day and a half he was gone. i always had a feeling

when i saw him, i had a feeling of confidence, even he was so optimistic and i believed so much in this fight and that he would win, and somehow we all believed, this is again sasha’s unique quality as an actor. you can’t tell the truth. well, maybe because of the increased emotionality and uh, well, i have to tell you that brother spoke, i remember how the adored genius actor evgeny aleksandrovich evstigneev died because he had an operation. she was not very difficult, not unique, but, and he had an operation in london, and he knew and he was gone just because he is, he has a chance you won't wake up. yes, you can’t, you have to lie to the last. maybe, maybe, but in russia, as far as i know, to this day, it’s like a medical one. no previously, they did not

say in europe you think you need to. laziness tell me please, well, i know everything about women myself. how dirt did not stick to him was never among women, well, as it were, yes, and you were lucky with you with him, right? well, you're lucky, you know? he moved through life at such a speed that she did not have time, sticking. she flew off, you know, one more time we started talking. uh, sasha, in general, had a different personal life and family life. we all know this. i'm not in the sense that i want to talk about it, but, but there is ksyushka, his daughter, whom he raised, wonderful, but him. and zhenechka, that's how long sasha was. uh, the woman

was, in my opinion, either nine months, when sash did not, that is, he was the happiest person. it was something absolutely his copy. laziness, yes, yes, absolutely just a copy of it. here, well, can you imagine, yes, and this was already i don’t know, i’m always with me, of course there are some. i hope the audience will understand me correctly. i always have some claims to god. you see, he somehow chooses. those who may have to live the longest in order to teach us the joy of life and faith uh in happy tomorrows i can't imagine uh. well, now, i can’t imagine sasha being eighty, but that would be just some kind of mockery. you know , when uh, well now uh, hmm i don't like it, but, unfortunately, we started with the fact that all friends are all ex-lovers and loved. he is only their series with pleasure comes and

talks about it. well, we know the truth. yes, whom he loved, no one talks about him with irritation, even hmm alferova e and his adored wife. she smiles all the time. they let him go with some warmth and some love. yes, in spite of the precipitation and the behavior of this one in life. there is no desire to catch everything, but he does not care. eh, how the relationship did not develop, i mean, a happy personal life. all the same, you all loved him a lot, you couldn’t forgive him, but still loved, and uh. was he not with her , he, damn it, was lying to his friends at work, this , uh, i'm not saying this now to justify you. it really was like that and she knew what the matter was, well, she understood that she didn’t know anything. uh. he fell in love with irka after

walking, helped them and won her and i am a witness to all this, they were wonderful happy beautiful. it was the most beautiful married couple passion, yes, yes, julia is wonderful, who, uh, took care of him until the last day, and we are all close friends, we are infinitely grateful, she is incredible. in this sense, and i want to say that when i was going to visit you today, and yulia a year after sasha left, she was sorting everything out at home. in short, she gave me sasha for a watch, and today i even wear a sashkin strap in this watch. so i always wear this watch in the month of may. although i have others and i began to think more often about, we are always atheists, we are all no, but i

mean. and how are you? eh, i still have left over the years. i think we don't see, they see us. here, i think it 's different. and if somehow differently, then there is a chance. be a bad person. and if you believe in it, then you need to be normal good, remember some very present. well, a watch, it 's only given to you, because it gave you something that you still keep, for example, or you were surprised. so how is this story with condensed milk? here's what surprised you. so you will remember until the last, uh, second of your life, our life. sasha here can be 36 years old and every day of communication with him or life with him. it has always been a surprise. it was every day, this is the case when i can’t isolate something like that. he so wanted me at the first among. our company was

a zhiguli that is, i had a zhiguli 76 years old. i just ended up in the richest. well, so we knew, it's rather the smartest one, and the richest. say you had television, then in the nineties. you hosted such shows on television as the most trump ones, and we understood. it cries for a long time when i saw you in the best hotels in the best rice. this man took me. and you yourself walked, you understand? therefore, yes, and what, sorry interrupted, i had a zhiguli and sasha also dreamed of a zhiguli and finally. we, uh, at the same time, all this was on cards for some reason i had a zhiguli , because a war veteran gave me a card for a concert of the month at a grinning razner, who accompanied us in shchukin. ah, schools. i, uh, loved it very much and we went to varshavka together with him, and then we drove only on my zhiguli, uh, for a long time and a half years and sasha and oleg, that was it

such a time when you could stop right at the wto restaurant and you didn’t have to take off the wipers. do you remember how the wipers did not remove these brushes, because there was no camera, can you imagine. and nothing later, when the car began to steal more. this is all. eh, finally. bought a car, he drove in bad, but rather, how to say? that's how he often hit the car, slowed him down the wrong way. i was chasing. that's when everyone already rides on spikes , and that's it. even on summer tires and so on and so on and so on. it was generally in what's in your life. but such love, friendship happened. i, for one, envy you. i think that everyone who watches the podcast now, the letters envy you. i think that this is natural, and i want to wish everyone seldom always to watch sashkin's films. he is absolutely a provocateur of life, he provokes joy for happiness and

, of course, uh, we must remember our third incredible friend - you see ivanov viktor petrovich, our most important and stuntman. here we had such a trinity, there was still vitya. see you can't. you see, do not remember, or rather nothing recall. he is alive and well. he is ours too. we are all the same year, i congratulate you on sasha's anniversary. thank you. thanks to channel one for remembering this today, and those who love sasha, and they are probably grateful to us that we are talking about him, father, yes, and those who did not know sasha, maybe this provokes them to get to know him. i mean young. thank you very much. this is a podcast of letters. my guest is the wonderful leonid yarmolnik, and we talked about alexander abdulov, who would have turned 70 on may 29.

this podcast is a must read. i am aglaya na batnikova, director writer, today my guest is the children's writer sofya remiss and the writer ivan shepnyagov. we will discuss the work of the nasal and dragoon classics in children's literature, the nose and dragunsky can be said to have become the founders of the realistic genre of children's prose, what is their innovation? actually, probably, it is precisely in the fact that just this world of realistic childhood. it was created among the first that's it by this writer. both we and the dragoon have a lot humor, something that in children's literature, oddly enough, is not enough. although it would seem for children. it's supposed to be all fun, but unfortunately it's usually fantasy.

usually these are some kind of fairy tales of history, uh, countries and travels. adventures are necessarily something magical, and in realistic stories and dragon and nosov there was something in what the children themselves see there, let's say, some kind of revived hat, yes or there is a firefly which, like a magical piece of something magical , glows. yes? that is, this is the magic that exists in our real life, which i need a special one to invent it, you just need to see it and capture it, but it seems to me that they take some fragment of reality, yes, and with their focus, well, usually, if everyday situations, they see it as magical adventures. we can say, they only enhance, let's say, all the effects. for example, in dragunsky's story, if i were an adult, but a very simple situation is taken , the child imagines what would happen if he were an adult, and his adult environment was e

all children and, accordingly, he would have them controlled and he plays such a truly sadistic picture, which is a very funny story. it is very small straight to all its turn to recommend to read. he just takes the usual phrases that parents use in ordinary situations and shifts them, as it were, turns the situation around. yes, when grandma comes, supposedly yes, yes, yes, yes. oh, where did our granny go? something the neck is wet, covered in mud. that is, it's all really what we say parents say to children, and we recognize all these. yes, we recognize it all, so it's combined it's funny, because it's true, because we'll know it all. and, as it were, a slight exaggeration gives this comic effect , and indeed, you and dragoonsky have very, very funny stories.

vanya, please tell me what it seems to you, what is the difference between the worlds of nosov and dragunsky, one worked in the forties nikolai nosov yes , viktor dragunsky is already the sixties a little later, but there are some features of the world of each and so i don’t know. fundamentally different yes nosov is very sad, and dragunsky is very funny, but i can explain, when i was preparing to re-read, i thought that i had not read it. i need to read this again. i was surprised to find. well, i do have such a feature. i constantly have some phrases from the literature that i read when i was 5 years old spinning in my head. so i memorized three words, and they are spinning with me all my life. i don’t remember where it came from, it just means i was hooked and one of these phrases was spinning in my head, it was bitter porridge, not salty. i know where it comes from. i began to prepare to re-read, so it all turned out like this way it turned out that it turns out, of course, and that's it. i have read this many times.

i just carefully forgot how i forgot. well, in principle, i tried to forget my childhood, so i forgot children's books precisely for this reason. i came to this that i tried to forget. because it is very similar to my childhood, and this makes me sad, and dragunskaya tried to forget, because it is very different from my forest, and this is also sad. enviably in this world the difference is fundamental. yes listen well, tell me about this story mishkina. porridge nose absolutely my childhood here is just exactly, that's why i like it. well, i’m afraid, yes , there was something to eat at the dacha, but only i was with us , too, sonya. i kept saying that this is it. it looks like this is my story. and i didn’t know what it was about, because i forgot it was turned off. only there. they catch as soon as we had yorkshiremen. well, the necks of the little ones were fried first to cook porridge , they end up trying to go to the wells at night. it'll

get the drowned kettle. yes, i’ll clarify they didn’t drown themselves, they didn’t drown themselves, then they burn these minnows are water, they don't have to put out the fire. they wait until the oil burns out, that is the situation in reality. uh, then it's scary, they're not even in that, not in these details here. what is there, well, neighbors, if there was some kind of fire right here, it would probably be . that's right, the children are alone, this is the situation when you are left alone. well, here's one at home, yes, a classic situation. this is a very cool situation for any child for a child who is constantly surrounded by adults, loving, conscious , responsible adults, he gets high once a year stay alone to burn some oil there. and this is such. and when this, in principle, is the norm for you, that is, when not the norm becomes the norm, it turns out to be such a sad world of children, which is cut off from an adult. and this is the world of a lonely gloomy child. why is it gloomy? it seems personal to me, but

dragoonsky shouldn’t have one like that, as he shouldn’t have a nose, but that’s the point, so it’s sad, you think, no matter how they should. i'm probably also closer to dragunsky. that's because for me, after all, the connection is small a person, uh, according to the age of a small and an adult large person. this is also an important part of my life. i just, rather, grew up, like a child from dragunsky's stories in a loving family, but i was emotionally left without a father early. but even now, uh, now i remember these relations of dragunsky's parents about this very much in essence. we can say that telling dragunsky is such a peculiar, declaration of love to his wife, and to the mother of the hero. yes, to deniska's mother, because there is a constant, that is, a story about how beautiful she is, that my mother is the most beautiful in the class, how she is such a knightly dedication, that deniska's stories are a knightly dedication to mom to say, yes, here, and

there, of course, the family is much more prosperous and not even not in the sense of some kind of e financial circumstances. just by virtue of what is felt there, this love of mom and dad, and caring for caring, let's even say more caring for each other, which simply automatically turns on and is transferred to the child, because there are parents who, with the birth of their child, . eh, let's say so, the personal relationship is not over. how is it sometimes, yes, on the contrary, they have gained some kind of new breath, that is, there dad is in love with mom. mom is in love with dad and child. it feels very good, because when he comes to the house, some stories have some ladies who can be said to incite clinics. eh, dad, here he is trying to give him something there. there, in the story, a drop of nicotine kills a horse, and the child feels it very well and tries to resist all sorts of things. he understands, he feels this relationship

parents. he is such a sensitive child, maybe just because he has a fairly prosperous emotional. yes sony you are the author of a fairly well-known series of note books. i don't know gosh. tell me, please, is it possible to call viktor dragunsky your teacher in the literary sense, did you focus on deniska's stories? it seems to me that there is something similar in the structure and there is a lot of similarity in the approach, really. but it's an amazing story. i noticed it myself, only when they began to talk about it, when i had already left book, apparently this is the case when some work goes so deep into you in childhood that you don’t even realize that they already live in you, that is, special ones. of course, i did not write differently. well , probably a lot turned out that way, but in my opinion you have in common with the dragoon that we see the life of adults, through the life of a child. that is, we read situations in the family , well, relationships, we all read some

problems of adults, that is, they are shown through children's focus through the optics of a child, but with this is how we get to know them. we read them and it turns out that the child is united in a single system with his parents. and they have such a common and reality such a curious sometimes touching sometimes funny life. and so, it seems to me that this technique, probably, i generally like books that adult children can read. this is a separate type of book and marshak spoke about children's poetry, but it seems to me that this can be attributed to prose that examples of children's poems are checked twice by a child and an adult with good taste with a delicate taste, if these only adults like the elements, these are not children's poems. if only a child likes it, these are not hack-work poems, and these are not entirely accurate quotes, but it seems to me, to ask, this is also applicable and this world with some kind of easter eggs for adults. uh, subtle smart interesting is what, of course, dragoon.

i really, really appreciate it. it's very cool. vanya here you are an adult writer, but at the same time, i know that you, sophia , have now written a book for children about urban teenagers together. dot tell e can an adult write or switch here to children's writer format, how difficult it is. what is the feature? what is the difference between an adult writer and a child writer, you went through both experiences a writer, maybe a child one, including if he had a happy childhood, and if he had such a not very sad childhood, then let him write better or only for adults, so i would separate us sophie and well, i mean, here's to me as a child and an adult. so it was difficult, i had to work or it was the most difficult job in my life. yes i was afraid, just every word every word. i was afraid, because i will pass on my childhood there, and it’s impossible to do so, but this is

a sad, sad look. well, i also have a certain, perhaps, blinders. here sony explain that it's not here, probably, one should be afraid of being sad, yes, in childhood, well, dear, he said a lot of sad ones, they are there. you also enjoy this sadness. i mean, like nosov has two children. they dropped everything into the well, and then they burned the last food and were left alone at night, sadder. yes, there he tells one, and the story is cucumbers for a boy for his mother, he stole cucumbers, brings cucumbers to his mother. here as if deniska rather, dragunsky brought cucumbers to mom, and mom would burst into tears . it’s from happiness, yes, and mom from nosov’s story says where she got the cucumbers. he says, well, here in someone else's garden. he says go bring back the cucumbers. he says, well, there's an uncle boy. here, he was already chasing. and what

does mom say to that? here is the mother from the story of the nose. yes, it would be better for me to have no son at all than to have a son of a thief. that is, she sends the child back to this so much gun runs. yes, well, it's ba for children, it's simple, but i don't know what's scarier really there is a common with balaban. he loves policemen very much and introduces this image of a policeman all the time. well, it’s true that nosov still has this policeman and such a kind styopa who maintains order, but, nevertheless, nosov , uh, has some coordinates of good and evil, which are very clearly presented to the child by adults. and it gives a sense of security and order, i think, but at the same time, a little, uh, gives some kind of edification. well , of course, security, of course, is not secure. in the sense that the watchman won't shoot this boy, of course. it's scary , it's not scary. why yourself? that is, in principle, that's enough for me.

here's one i would have thought, if i hadn't read it, i would, because this is the story the boy stole the cucumbers, brought to his mother and that's it, that is, you can give it out and leave and not read anything else. well, it's good that it was already decorated for someone else. is it better to eat mom at least yes? a dragunsky but these are two absolutely such world poles of the pole. yes , it would be nice for a child, of course, to be somewhere in the middle. peacock

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pain exact solution for free movement is a must-read podcast. i am aglaya nabatnikova. director, writer, i have away sofia remis. the author of the notes is gosha kunitsan, a very popular book, and ivan shepnyagov is the author of the novel. stream today we're discussing e-bow dragoon classics in children's literature. why are they unique in nosov and dunno and in stories. eh, a lot is given to a particular system of society in

which the child grows up, this system explains to him what is good, what is bad, bad, bad to deceive, bad to steal. there will always inevitably come a punishment for bad deeds , a certain one is read. well, that's the socialist ideology. and that's a lot dunno i think yes, no i know how on the moon i don't know how a certain model of society is drawn in a sunny city. and this is important, but in dragunsky, it seems to me, er, rather the emotional world is the world of relationships. we can say that the hero of the dragoon, they live out of time, of course, that is, of course. there , as a sign of the times, there is even a wonderful book of commentaries on deniskin's stories. i don’t remember now, the author is a very good book, where all these objects of time are analyzed and, uh, the fact that deniska lives in a communal apartment there, there are five people in a room and many, many things like that. here e, but emotionally. yes, you can easily imagine these heroes now. uh, just clean up

some utilities there. now there are also something, there are some signs of the times, a series of mothers, tired of washing dishes, and engineers have not yet come up with a machine that washes dishes. and now the boy is trying to invent this machine , they were spinning an electric plotter. but the most important thing, probably, in this story is that dad decides to help mom, but they don’t leave him. this is an option all the options have been tried, where low offers. the whole scheme, as there is with the whole family from one plate per scheme. actually, deniska is proposed to be invented by mom with a hint of dad and deniska. says she won't do the dishes anymore if they don't come up with some trick to get her to wash herself in some way, so it's clear that mom is hinting to dad from the very beginning that it would be nice to wash the dishes, but these are cunts on relationships. he understands very well that this hint is just this relationship between parents. that's all and uh, deniska does not understand. he really thinks there needs

to be some way. he's sitting he invents, he came up with such a conveyor, when mom prepares a bowl of soup, the first member of the family eats it. so then while the second one leaves to wash his hands from the same plate there, well, that is, one plate is used there for the whole dinner or laid or three plates. well , dad, you understand very well, the very beginning and the result, of course. he says, okay, i know. the ways are not so tricky. yes, well, i mean, it's a great plan that dad sometimes washed the dishes, it seems to me, very even. i think it's important that deniska's dad is the author own text. yes, as we understand it, he treats himself ironically enough and we see this dad of the character also from some funny funny side. there is some self-irony in this, just the most dragon, as i understand it. that's like a children's writer. yes? this is not a story, with his son's mustache, yes, this is a story about him and

it turns out such a slightly collective character. he is not collective from the whole world, but he is collective from him and from his son. that is, he takes situations. e from real life deniska most likely imposes his adult. here is this experience and my childhood experience. it turns out like this. here is a synthesis of all these emotions of children and adults. and this is the most irony. dad's relationship, she just refers here, because he is trying to immediately understand how he sees it, how deniska sees dad at the same time yes, well, that is, this is such a split and mood and mood of the personality. it's great. somehow we see several points of view in one story at once. and this is very cool, it turns out. everything is fine. i can't help interfering. the topic will just go away now, but cool details, well compare. now you have spoken them. yes , nosov's boy stole cucumbers and brought home to the dragoon boy threw cutlets, but

this is the pole. it is fundamental in this tragedy that the boy throws out again at the dragoon e, that is, there is a lot of food outside the window of the house and the child is not afraid that there will be no food, but in nosov he stole food and brought it home. well, this is the difference. you are still a prosperous world, nevertheless. it always ends. well, always everyone admits their mistakes and wrote, since correct textbooks, but as it does not happen in life. yes, it doesn't end well. never no, absolutely not in one word, that is, no. i believe believe. here in this melancholy, but in how everything ends well, but it is necessary at the end to draw a few at the end. i never believe. i say to me why am i enough? it seems to me that the story of the nose ends at this point, the boy stole the cucumbers home. say, uh, don't you think that children's writers, they

look at the world more honestly. there is such a moment children's writers remain children in that in the sense in which they guard the ability here i am forced to use the wording of not a children's writer. well, my all the same, my favorite formations of tolstoy leo tolstoy look at things simply and directly, just like a child, we are all adults. we live in a world of false lies, hypocrisy and everything else. yes, probably so beloved, everyone understands everything, but everyone is watching that people play each other's eyes and they smile and say that we will send such a good one. you understand better and better that everything is bad. well, here it is necessary and here is the society like this arranged. yes, any, naturally yes , civilization, and children retain this ability to see things as they are. this is the main thing, the difference i also retained this ability, but i look at the world

rather gloomy and here it is to cheer myself up. yes, let's say, well, in an adult, but i overdo it to write some funny things with me to cheer everything up, but in a child's room you asked how it would be like that, that's why it was scary that it couldn't be conveyed, uh, modern prosperous children. yes, who are not afraid hmm throw away cutlets and do not steal cucumbers. yes, there are very sad stories for mom, no matter how they convey their longing. and these are just those stories where children encounter the world of foreign adults, because the children of dragunsky live among these are good children with good adults, they have, uh, all these relationships are where they go to sadovaya, there is a big movement, where they go to in principle, these questions are not raised, they are not relevant. is it necessary? steal steal cheat. well there is no such question, because you can’t and shouldn’t

do this proves that you can’t do your look, you can’t. this may be the nature of the time, yet nosov worked a little earlier , but at some point they intersected , because we lived with them for a longer time, by the way, in many respects even similar lives, one had a relationship with the theater of the other cinema. uh, both of them, there are two wives there, uh, well, that is, there were a lot of all sorts of intersections; another question is that nosov and character were a little gloomy, this is true, and dragunsky was very much a party very cheerful and his yes, they always talked about him, as about such a person who is a lot and yes a person on holidays. it seems to me that this should also be somehow felt, of course , to speak, as if only now they noticed that, well, it’s somewhat gloomy with oneself. it's just in i don't see it, but i honestly imagine the gloom. i listen to you with great surprise that you

were so able to remember one thing, the proof is so shaky, of course, but i can still say, and one of my favorite writers, dmitry is bitter. unfortunately, he died early april of the tenth year. i remember exactly that day when i read that he died. well , he died very early, he could have been very big to write even more. he worked in short form. he had little branded him. again , mmm, one of the phrases that keeps spinning in my head all the time and such a distilled longing, that you can’t think of anything better at all. here he loved this melancholy. here he is not in everyone for me, here, but gorchiv loved nosov very much and he described that he constantly traveled on trains. between he lived in a village in the moscow region traveled to st. petersburg well, on business at work , documents, that is, yes, the train is this, well, and in the search for a book, he constantly describes everything in the compartment. you put out a can of beer laid out, do not know where on the moon, and everyone looks like

literature. an interesting adult staged an unfamiliarity with such an adult, gloomy , uncle, bearded, unshaven, scary, as he reads. well, i 'll translate a little now, he reads such garbage and laughs. and all i need is for people to smile more, we write dmitrievich, it is very characteristic that gloomy gorychev loved this dark nose. here's more. e about the world. here are these foreign adults. we somehow collide. yes, with this alien world in these stories. what it manifests itself in is basically conditionally possible to divide the stories of dragunsky into three parts, there were a lot of them for 10 years. i wrote even more. and here, probably, uh, this exit to other people's adults. it's more like the last part. where actually. these wonderful children from me are good children, yes, meeting with conditional adults there is not necessarily adults there in the story.