well, there were probably two such real girls, whom i was very burdened by alone at school and then later by one. 25 pioneer but somehow it didn’t work out anymore. well, it's not destiny. do you remember how two trains that go towards each other, but did not collide? why not? that's how i apologize, but i hope that the audience saw your close-ups and your deep ones, because now i caught myself thinking that i have never told anyone like this, you know about the first one at school about the second twenty pioneers yet added that it was not good there. it's like you understand, he will never develop a topic that is unpleasant for his social security. he will bypass her. i delicately relying on the melodies of your life, they ask, and you have the right to say, and i don’t want to talk about this topic at all. i

say, well, yes, okay, we move on to the melody of sadness, when sergey lived from being sad or once experienced that's it from music. this is the feeling and immediately the music sets you up like a tuning fork, and you remember what you are sad about. what a melody that evoked. that's sadness for your soul, but music is generally, uh hmm everything that uh, maybe uh, national uh plan. uh, in general, inside you and uh, everything that happens around is all music, and if a is a real brain, if such great composers as tchaikovsky, like rachmaninov, this is such a depth of thought, there is pyotr ilyich's autumn song.

tchaikovsky autumn song , well, look at the depth, how amazing it is, so that you somehow cheer up and you don’t get bored, my musicians periodically play chess for money on tour, such a blitz with a clock is everything, as it should be, and at night they flew somewhere to siberia for a concert. only

tomorrow evening they go to the night bar, which works around the clock in the hotel, they put up a board. chess. start your tournament. bartender, comes out such guys. well, why are you playing dry? maybe you have something to pour the musicians, you know, thinking about the departure, you need another one. he says. yes, yes, thank you, pour us tchaikovsky. the bartender is coming. he takes two glasses of tchaikovsky's vodka at the counter and brings them on a tray, and we had them without voyage in mind tchaikovsky tea, and the word tea did not have time to pronounce, because when we said we meant tchaikovsky to me, please , what the bartender asked again, as an expert, apparently, the classical music of pyotr ilyich can modest, you understand? yes? pyotr ilyich , of course, absolutely cannot be replaced here. eh,

the sadness is passed on. uh, he can. well, here are the toys of some dreams. somehow i was glad to see it. and here to hear. so, seryozha, say, 40 years of the phonograph. uh, of course, uh, it must have been absolutely right not only for you, but also for viewers decided like this in television in large projects, because you sounded, i remember, all over moscow the photographer had hmm branches. there was a restaurant in charge there or clubs everywhere, and then the nineties. yes, and then in the zero since what year are you on channel one? uh, i don't remember what year it was, but it was with the first program, uh, two stars, when it first came in, right? yes, yes, yes, andrey chatter was the main director. and let's start we met from that moment. it has gone eleventh and

the voice children season is now the tenth. that there is this 21 season. here is such a plus 60 plus, which also participated. i'm being a participant as a mentor for two seasons. heard from time to time. oh yes, my friends are just asking. well, valera whom? there drags or i say, guys, why do they not reward me for this, my task - i answered everyone's question. since i've been entrusted with that site right here, let me do it myself. yes, i honestly admit that you and the viewers have a certain strategy. that is. when you recruit a team, you will also bring it later, you two you will bring your main contenders together in the first round, so, of course, you then make a decision, based on something else you can do with this or another contestant . and if in advance, do you tell them

about it think, honestly yourself. well, alexander is heavenly. here i honestly say that valera, i determined the candidates and i say, i could not scoff at the final. here is this friend. and you, of course, will sparkle, but i will straightaway. they will not cheat. so there was such a situation that before you started you took songs there, like you chose and you had a library you had a library of 100-150 songs that syutkin took there that now you can’t touch him now i didn’t like that, the cynical approach of my seatmate sergei shnurov. i analyze and say so. look, i have protesters there. he has a very good delivery. i picked him up. no one writes to the colonel. after it, they made a masterpiece english-language song for me, sirius is there and immediately he became very wake up, he himself, and the cord tells me, and

how long have you been looking for? i say, well, i spent a few days ago so much on one i said, and i immediately score a restaurant rating, what is sung in karaoke, for example, the first 10 songs that were shot pop up and i give it as an assistant, i say, they have already been distributed among our residents. well , of course, it’s natural, there’s some kind of personal stuff. he came to the secret rehearsal. we and sergey well, beforehand, he says, valera can i have you like this? relying on the fact that you're older, i'll be everything time to poke. excuse the expression that sand is pouring on you, to which i told him, right? so you are ready to kiss this sand under which i walked, like old songs. do you remember all his jokes, i found later and in one of the programs they say, and you are a singer of the era of remuneration, a vivid example for a rise in price and no more to imitate. so there were good such picks that make the voice alive. i

, like all viewers, follow and watch periodically. there along the line. gets our girl does not touch at all. well, it's all the same it's with love. believe me, of course, i most of all went there vasya. it's just that i'm just bastard from him, in general, yes, yes. i want to tell you that on the voice there was a lot of humor and pauses between filming, especially on live broadcasts. we have always supported each other. and very respectful and good. you are watching the podcast melody of my life on channel one. i am valery syutkin today at a party. i have sergey zhilin without a replacement head of the phonograph orchestra, 40 years old with music and professionally only nu and seryozha melody joy from sergei zhilin well, uh, not strange, also tchaikovsky, yes.

ok. seasons petrovich tchaikovsky is such a winter agree yes, that's right, you see, the whole picture is in front of us at once. i say this is the greatest, the greatest composite swan lake feels, and the nutcracker is understandable, there are no

passing numbers there, every melody of the world heritage is there so that everyone understands my life. a podcast on channel one is my guest sergey zhivin. and i am very pleased, dear viewers. u invite you to the anniversary concerts, seryozh in the fall. necessarily. come 40 years. let's share this pleasure with the maestro to the phonograph orchestra. i also want to tell you that such a master of writing as it is babadzhanyan is the absolute king of the twist, one beauty queen, what is the peas standing on the verses along the alley? will this sun appear directly from the roof streams of sunlight, hands stand on them with delight look, you saw the beauty queen in their magazines and there

you probably love and you don’t know yourself, you are beauty and i go to meet you, and i carry you flowers as the only one in the world beauty queen. you know the story about her, we are at the olympics and i was at the eight olympic games, well, the winter summer is different, but when the honor of the champion of athletes, yes, i was there they teased me that albert demchenko is our great athlete and syutkin is the longest-playing visitors to the olympic games, so here we are there in honor of our athletes. there len isinbayeva i sang the queen of heights. uh-huh in our runners, the queen of speed, but when the synchronized swimmers of our next time took the gold of the masha-selevochny then she was in the line-up

. i remember and masha tells me, well, what can you sing for us, what i say, the queen of synchro. you are the queen of synchro synchro you are a killer work, but of course, they will remain in history in the performance of thoughts in magomaev because since thoughts magomed did something with the supply of elegant, he brought such. we still had a stage. uh, especially male performers stood up straight as a dug and no unnecessary movements. and only muslim brought. this elegance is there pithiness, which was inside him. that 's just how you could stand up like that, you know, his documentary film and about him very warm words were spoken by his wife and friends. and here he himself very modestly said. no, they are not from italy. it was just such youth. that's how i saw it and because yes, yes, yes,

yes like this, yes, well, with the elegance of elegance, this is the only person who has been available such a realization and academic pop music. as my countries said it's from uh. no, he said, it's not enough to catch the eye, you have to cut into the memory. yes, it was possible when you come back to us. come on forever. it is always a pleasure for me to communicate with our a wonderful conductor and just a person with a good sense of humor and kind soul , sergey lived in the program. thank you when people like don quixote are translated

let history close the book forever, there will be nothing more to read in it, so once he wrote about the hero cervantes. turgenev hello dear friends, today we gathered our thoughts about don quixote. i greet you vadim vladimirovich polonsky doctor of philology, director of the institute of world literature, our good friend archimandrite med, imachinsky candidate ph.d. in philology , well-known dentist. although today it's me, vladimir yoke. yes? let's start with turgenev. and actually, why will there be nothing more to read in the history book if such people as don quixote are translated into one vladimir vladimirovich are you ready to agree with this? well , yes, of course. and i must say that these words of turgenev from his famous speech, then the articles of hamlet don quixote, they

were milestones for the russian-speaking don quixote before e. turgenev's descendants laughed at don quixote with a shot of him really through french mediation was perceived in russia and in general, it was a story about a madman, who, uh, goofy in the head, what is called beating with windmills in shop windows. and see this differently. and, of course, e could have been earlier, but the meaning of the word has fundamentally changed. don quixote, it was after turgenev that he showed that don quixote is pathos, a victim of wearing self-sacrifice, and to the end without compromising oneself in the name of the triumph of a lofty idea in the name of the triumph of truth, as it is seen by the one who sacrifices himself? and in general, this is the most important thing about a person. let's talk about this, and let's say a little later, father, miana. do you agree, er, with turgenev's statement, and in general its comparison. very

interesting. in the sense that cervantes shakespeare died, in general, on the same day, hamlet and don quixote also came out at the same time the first part of don quixote yes, that's why he compared them, but in general i have a difficult relationship, to be honest, with don quixote, because with one hand is really like that's on the subject of all the experts. here are the norwegian clubs of writers. this is the best book ever times and people. yes, just everyone, and indeed. i still have the figurine at home. here is this famous don quixote where he is so wonderful with a book in a hat, that is, this is a very important soviet time. it was straight, really some kind of such a cult character. eh, that's what i understood on the one hand on the other hand. here's to the end to understand, what is his secret of something and attractiveness. here is such an influence in the good sense of the word, which vladimir also speaks to, uh, i still can’t fully complete it in this sense, i'm wondering, our transmission is everything, yes, that was my next question. i'm still with a quote

from turgenev to finish, i'll remind you. eh, colleague context, because turgenev says what? he says he loves ulcinea. yes, he did not see her in general, when he suddenly saw this ugly peasant woman. he said that i was bewitched and turgenev writes further. we know such people. we have seen such people who have seen, i am not quoting now. but it seems to me that we definitely convey on the beautiful, and in the ugly and ugly and died for it and then comes this phrase, with which we started the thought is not at all obvious, is it worth dying when you see the beauty in the ugly? what's in here? and so to speak, the great core truth. what else is there to die for? how is the ideal from turgenev's point of view? yes, and in general about this, and those who inherited the turégen talked a lot about don quixote. uh , i don’t actually know about this block in my article the knights of the monk, dedicated to vladimir solovyov, who also came up with his eternal

life in russia from such a technical point view, yes which in general no and so on. for him. it was reality. this was the reality of his inner mystical experience. e, to stronger - this is the reality of don quixote's inner experience, at least, almost to the end, until the moment when, in the finale, he experiences an internal upheaval repentance e. well, and further we remember how everything ends, and therefore you think nabokov will write his lectures from don quixote, of course. who is dulcinea is death. in such a paradoxical conclusion, he is about this , about what you just said, i am the same, yes they are quixote in general uh, cervantes uh, the opposite of god once christ on the immoderate anti-flobert such you understand, who does not remember that he had two chapters ago. there is a mistake, a mistake, spitting on details and so on. this is a completely anti-nabokov approach and nabokov is just cards. yes, the alloy is okay,

well, of course, the result on the blocks suggests that the serving on earth measures. e backdrop right there not convincing there spain is not at all like that, he knew her no better than gogol, he knew central russia away and so on and so forth. well, it's still the same forced to admit. here he has such a beautiful image that nabokov and sancha are two figures in the sunset sky, they are far from small. well, they cast great shadows. these are the shadows throughout the history of human culture, and some of them, as it were. inspection in reverse perspective, so he is forced to admit that these shadows are all the same, he certainly, he starts with this one. well, in fact, hatred, but he ends with don quixote, well, almost a declaration of love, if you read the lectures here, but i know, uh, with your permission. here's going already here's to content. that's what i would like to ask you in continuation of what we started. ah, well, from the main question. yes, but perhaps having sent him lotman's book, that the book does not

boil down to what is it about, therefore, a stupid question, what is this book about? i will not ask you a question. i was born like this. so, when you read this book, or let's say don quixote for you, that's what is there most dearly important, or maybe from the seeds you somehow said something incomprehensible and exactly what you can't accept, for example? well, besides the fact that already sounded. well, on the one hand, firstly, the fact that he is already 50 with him rodnik and that he is like that and me too, right? all hascha. and all that, uh, but on the other side. this is a real monk. yes, he is fully committed to the ministry. and in general, he sees the world in a transfigured light. yes, he is wearing vr glasses. uh, don quixote walk. that's why, yes, yes , she stood and the courtyard turns into a knight's castle, where courtesans turn into graceful ladies. eh, and so on, he sees some. uh, some enemies

there, yes or they see, on the contrary, some incredible expanses. that is, it is like this factory, good full words. yes, as if the elder said in the sense that it doesn’t matter at all. what are you doing? what are you doing, uh, are you plowing where the land is? e, i don’t know, you are building, you are fighting, but it’s important. with what feeling do you do it, for what, uh, and this goal-setting, it justifies. everything else. well, it's actually, really pure nun. moreover, here in the figure of donka there is a move and there he takes a lot for himself. another name, yes, that is, a kind of knighting, these are still monastic rituals. yes, his ascetic life, that's he is at night without sleep there without eating there for a long time and so on. that is, there is a lot of this from a monk in him, and at the end he already accepts the scheme again. already on his deathbed vladimirovich but for you, what is the most precious thing in this novel today, yes, aching.

eh, the sympathy of the protagonist is a feature of the author, this feeling is evoked in me as readers, and in general, his ability to e force those who are infinitely actually higher than you and more than you, because well, what kind of don quixotes there, god forbid, under sancho adjust. well sancho too very difficult very simply not at all simple and her brains had a hint about it. the first is at the very beginning said, yes, and they certainly resonate through the calls. here there and a and, if nothing rises to the heights of king solomon from e. your courts. yes, they are straight. yes, yes, yes, and during the governorship. here. in general, i, of course, this semyon has the right to talk about what i do not have the right to talk about. but, otherwise what he said is also very important for me, and this directly correlates with the personal path of himself and complex relates a and e to the dynamics of the plot. from the finale of his from the path of the uh author himself, because uh shortly before his death. e cervantes e, becomes a member of the brotherhood of

the third brotherhood of the franciscans, like dante , by the way, in his time. hurray, probably, yes, and then he takes the tonsure, yes, in my opinion, in the last and well, after all, already in this capacity he writes the finale. yes, where the move repents, where , as it were, this is understandable. true, er, like the revelation of christendom before her. he sort of gets on his knees and accepts it. truth capitulates in what what is the truth in that you need to subject yourself to forgetting yourself of one who fought with e mill, who e? alkal, more precisely, who has gone all this way, but the point has been reached from the horse, you have been thrown further, indeed, by some, like the final scheme. can you please tell me why there is such a disparity in ratings? here we are now, even these symbion, it seems to have said, it ’s not clear there, but we agreed that the ascetic monk is beautiful and lovely there. eh, schimnik

, in fact, but the spread of estimates is enormous. why doesn't my father understand? i i think that cervantes himself provoked it. with these confusing references of his, to , as it were, other authors, that he has nothing to do with it, that he has some kind of manuscripts there. eh, they get lost. there is one chapter left unfinished. but you need to look so that they don’t translate from arabic, yes, uh, and then he positions it himself, as a parody of the knightly romance, he speaks directly about this, on the one hand. that is, no matter how seriously you treat his work, but on the other hand. there it is overflowing, as we have already said, people are precisely sacred scriptures. there are very serious no with these funds. why does it cause? i mean, such a range of assessments of the hero himself. yes, why the same on the blocks, although it seems to be five more, of course, this is nabokov not a proservant, but he calls it encyclopedia cruelly. bones, because it is, in principle, an explosive mixture of everything. uh, where everyone wants. maybe pull out one or the other from there, right? well, in this sense, nabokov is no longer even close to me. and

borhis, yes, which is this terminara in tardun. quixote his story is wonderful where as if the author of another time, the frenchman writes himself anew through himself the same don quixote, but, as it were, in a new environment, but with the same words, not in what he rewrites imitates, but because these same words can sound exactly the same in an era . yes , this is an absolutely amazing idea. eh, that is here. eh, if some smart people start thinking about it, then they really pull out some extraordinary things from their thoughts. and it's not related. vadim vladimirovich with the dynamics of the image of himself, because don quixote at the beginning of the first tomsk at the end of the second. well, it's just a completely different person. he changes and matures. uh , the correct word came in. and it changes as cervantes himself obviously changed with there he himself from the first years of the seventeenth. uh, the seventeenth century until the fifteenth year, when the second volume comes out, it's already been there for 10 years. yes, in my opinion, the difference between the output of the first and second. yes,

the fifth and fifteenth, but it began to be written. he used to, of course, well, that’s not the point, but in fact, from the very beginning , the multi-level character and image and you are such a story. in general, in many respects the paradoxical biolent and e image of the very beginning of the first chapter is said to be striking, how insane he is when he is presented here in the course of the case and how much he died , yes, but from this it begins to unfold. uh, long long. eh, there is a suite of situations where don quixote manifests himself very simultaneously. yes, he is insane exactly wise. he is an amazingly educated person. yes, his education is the education of a humanist, brought up by a high renaissance and at the same time this man who says how humanist. uh, brought up high renaissance with the italian school. in addition, yes, uh, i remember that this is biographical in italy , yes, long years of his life, cervantes himself, and he, uh , goes to battle for the triumph of passaism for

the triumph of the golden age for the past for the truth of chivalric novels for the integrity of the medieval world of vision. vadim vladimirovich polonsky doctor of philology archimandrite simeon tomachinsky candidate of philology candidate of theology, i am vladimir legoy. yes, we gathered our thoughts about the great romance miguel cervantes don quixote you do not agree with the assessment that he is a renaissance man or is it just a little flat, and then he is a very multi-layered image and this one gives such an amplitude to his friends rejection, because among those who did not accept him. uh, there were figures. on a grand scale. not only nabokov are standing. yes, for example, thomasman's view, which you on don quixote don quixote was

extremely restrained, and philosophically restrained. so i would say, yes, the pathology of don quixote. it's more of a story of two national traditions of its perception, russian and english. it’s a little more difficult for others, but nevertheless, at home, too , after all. well, of course, yes, and you mean, in addition to, so to speak, yes, but about insanity. here, in my opinion, in the scene when he is going to fight the lion there, someone asks the sancha, your master is insane. he says he's not crazy, he's bold. here is the father of the names don quixote is insane with the eliza of diversity. i think at the same time these are another matter - what does it mean for boldness - this is generally such a christian virtue, on in fact, yes, that is, uh, as it is a common phrase, the lord does not like the fearful, uh, yes, for whom there are places in the north lake. yes , that's why he's a christian. it seems to me boldness in the sense that he is open to exploits to protect the oppressed is another matter there, how is it all in reality, what does it lead to? this is, well, everything, this is another

textbook. why different? yes, when this poor boy says that it is better, i would have perished with you all the knights and he really is. well, it's on the way, it's on the way. this is not the final. yes, in general, it seems to me that add to them the absolutely correct words that the father said. he, uh, he's not just a monk, a knight, a monk, you can still see what is connected with her kinship in the eastern christian tradition. yes, he is a holy trigger holy jester , only this is not a model of behavior. eh, the chosen one consciously does not understand her own something, a trickster for him. well, that is, of course, his glasses. this is how he sees the world. this is how he feels. eh, this is somehow a special type of heroism never chesky. yes, well, very, very deep. why me now remembered? here, listening to you about this celebrity, a medieval story about the juggler of our lady yes, who is the juggler , yes, who did not know how to express his

reverence, began to reverence the old virgin, just, well, depict what he portrays there in the circus. yes, and in this sense it can be compared, because after all, where did the eastern christian of her relatives come from, the tradition, rather the kanskaya process and not by chance. eh, he gave it as a shirmandestant. yes. let's deal with don quixote monasticism and start with philologists, finish with monks of philologists, let's finish, look at the bicilli. uh, his famous article uh don quixote and layola. i understand that he was not the first who even, in my opinion, in some articles it is written that ignatius lololo is the founder of the order of the jesuits, that he is the prototype of don quixote no for russian culture. this is two. that's a completely incompatible way. we have the word jesuit, maybe because of the sound of something similar to an isomer, but it generates extremely negative connotations. yes

, the goal shows how many intersections there are and talks about the ayogs, but still the order of the jesuits and the tradition of monasticism of the eastern christian is, as they say, a huge distance, like a classic, it means there from the fact that the language they are not monks. yes, it's simple. other other purposes yes, orders, but in fact, really. here in this article , uh, it is emphasized that in fact they are both loyola and uh, don quixote people of action. yes , this is homofaber. yes, it's some kind of uh, but in fact it's just uh, in the same article it says that the jesuit is a system. yes, that is, it is a certain sequence actions, first of all, complete obedience, which we do not see, in principle, directly from don quixote, but to him actually. what a system , he is just a completely non-systemic person. yes, if he is a monk, then such, er, as if wandering yes lonely monk e yes. i

thought that here the question would arise rather pro to stronger. but this we separately necessarily vera as a matter of fact, and about the same speech. and when there is this comparison of the goal, it was really not the first move at all. could be together and well, what matters is what is gone, yes and uh, sickles he knew the layers there, well, you understand. this is what the metal in the air is a and it writes a related image, but this trumpetness is important here. why is he not equal to loyalty? well , look at another interesting moment for me personally, in my opinion, they write more fun about it. he says that this is the type of saint. but this is active holiness. and here, too, probably to a greater extent, but is this western christian than eastern christian or not? yes, yes, he says about it, that it is not contemplation. he just opposes, yes and activity contemplation, but in fact , don quixote in his contemplation is also all right. i really like the episode. it

seems to me, again, it is clear that i was the first to notice that sancho often lands. but when he says, i'll be right now, it means to fight here to pray, there is something to repent to beat stones, and so it's all true. sublime, as they would say today, pathos, and sancho says, you are more careful, you can kiss once, so the head of a pebble and your whole game repentance will end immediately oh this is a game with rmb or it's just like, well, he keeps it from taking off, so to speak. yes, you 're too far away, probably so, huh? he's still there, after all, on the verge of another time of polarity interact. yes, the sanchepans are such pragmatism, then really the ability of a friend e to see, to hear, e, high and e, yes, there is a game here, it is exposed. yes, he doesn't laugh. not only sancho is there, the author is other heroes, there is a fistula of this priest with e a barber, and so on , well, yes, there is a game, but they are shit

indivisible way, but then let's talk about love producers. but you have already begun to talk, but about some kind of inner feeling. it just seems to me that we can be the most important answer to the question, in my opinion, san what they ask, and he says, yes, you understand, sancho, that it doesn’t matter to me at all whether it exists or not, some kind of love. today we remembered dante, of course, not at all beatrice. so, because in dulciness he never saw it with his eyes, that is, for him. it's just some real service to a beautiful lady that we know, uh has a long tradition, but it goes back to the veneration of the mother of god, yes, from the very beginning. e, therefore, although there in one episode they say to him, listen, well, what are you calling for with some kind of stronger instead of praying to god, yes, and he is so complicated, there are explanations that i also apply. but it’s clear that this is some kind of screen

lady after all. why charm? is that the beautiful lady herself? yes, in which don quixote serves as a screen, in the sense that it is like an appeal to the first image. well, in my opinion, maybe one side, yes, but on the other hand. here, uh, vladimir vladimirovich, correct me if i'm wrong, after all, as they say, yes, after all, but hmm and a sideboard, most likely i have not read medieval knightly novels. the content changed very quickly, yes. after all , novels have already been written, and to which he refers to the renaissance, because in medieval medieval chivalric romances , there is no such thing yet. well, that's the relationship right there. the knights are there, of course. really. mostly. these are novels from the 16th century and a little earlier anyway roman british cycle, not caroline yes, it's all very strong, uh, later courtly culture, yes, with all its conventions. and already passing into the stage

of such a manism? yes, this is the kind of ethics on which serving is a little ironic. he plays with him at some level, it's a game, but playing with you today is exhausting. and then it's all very serious. i am absolutely right, these simeons, to swim to those levels where memory goes, and the veneration of the virgin mary of the mother of god will then echo in russian culture. lived in the world knight, poor dostoevsky a. there, prince myshkin yes, and in general other things, these meanings are actualized as a necessity. eh, an ideal associated with a high christian sense of the eternally feminine, theotokos, of course in its origins, but also deified. still, i would not here very strongly overcome this biat from the troubles of speech. so, uh, it's just serious there. and here it is a little bit in the playing field of don quixote, partly the trickster of dante, who visited dante's purgatory paradise, these images are correlated. that is tithing, and don quixotes will be attributed, of course, yes

with dante, because it’s just the cultural language that the sideboard undoubtedly knew. of course, today we gathered our thoughts about the great novel of cervantes don quixote archimedrite semion tomachinsky vadim vladimirovich polonsky i am vladimir igor and we continue, but about uh hmm don quixote and sancho pantsy. yes, two points. we still can't do it anymore. but but really e , today we have already heard. what is rustic? maybe even stupid there greedy or just greedy, sancho by the end of the second volume turns. well, almost indeed, not the biblical sage who is on this pseudo-island, so to speak, when the leader. yes, he does make some of the wisest decisions at all. every time i re-read it, i'm

sorry that he leaves from there. and what are you playing? he? well, how can you be so cool, you have already begun to manage here and donkey, whose course is very often very much compared with christ , these parallels. how do they react? why youtube well with christ of course, it can be strong? i don't even know now, it's clear what is not with the theologian. from the point of view he asks, yes, well, the fact that sancho pansy, of course, is also an extraordinary figure, who also devoted himself to serving his master. although he doesn’t even consider this to be his master, he had every right to. there, at any moment, leave him and i don’t understand at all , he understands perfectly well, in general, what it is, what it is nonsense, that this is some kind of foolishness and so on. well, you understand the question, that is, he seems to understand, but suddenly, but it seems to me that it’s absolutely not because of some mythical governor. he goes, because there are some moments it is clear that he is close

. eh, here's to some respected person. e friend. yes , you can say e in this one, the enterprise of which he does not even really understand the meaning. it seems to me that this is his devotion. and it's not some kind. here is such a dog he has criticism there. he scolds there, maybe there was even a blast, there and so on. that is it not some kind. here. eh, blind let's say obedience. yes, uh, if you don’t introduce this terminology, and this is a conscious choice of love, uh, follow don quixote. and in this, of course, he is absolutely amazing and what is the nature of their relationship, and it changes throughout this great book. sancho armor, vassal of this knight. but here duality is important. that's how banks move he and a madman, when it comes to chivalry and a sage, so sancho he and uh, a simple man pragmatic greedy, uh, and one

who is capable of selflessness serving uh to their own e, and to see things they are united by the fact that they are e, so it is said brains. dial yes, they are such peaceful wanderers, one for the sake of fame and the second, and in fact such out of love, of course, if love for this uh for this person is there for your suzaren. well , at some point they grow together so much that one did not introduce themselves to the other. and by the way, in those chapters where they diverge. eh, it feels like something is not that broken, something is starting to be missed. yes , sancho actually already has him at the beginning novel and at the end of the novel. he is dual. he, of course, e is changing, but less than income. i said so. well, he's already been solomon. he already so vaguely ruled the island in other situations showed his wisdom. let's have the final then. let's see, there, of course, the death of his friend and

suzaren is very hard, but at the same time he manages to get drunk on pizza very well. yes, otherwise he was not himself. he stays true to himself, it 's an amazing discovery as, uh, artistic, find this pair, complementing each other, yes, but you know, in terms of reader reaction. i, well, i try to re-read this great book with some regularity and and here are my personal sympathies. here are the involuntary ones that arise. yes, when this violence is the violent charm of the image. yes, for me they have moved quite clearly from don quixote to sancho here. if at the beginning i was somehow here i was much closer interesting i followed. so i involuntarily responded to don quixote now to sancho, you know what other thought is very expensive. mm someone said they don't. nothing more important, how they talk to each other to each other. that is, these are people about dialogue, these are people who are constantly in dialogue. yes, here the thought is really wonderful in general and between themselves and the mutual complement of these

opposites, as if there are some meanings, after all, they argue there and so on swear and so on, but they also pronounce some very important thoughts. eh, maybe this is just the main thing, er, there is a charm of this work. here in their combination in their common communication and in what i like from this unity just a dialogue, as life shows - this is not such a simple thing. and this is a great value. i think people can keep the possibility of dialogue. yes, and here it’s also so masterfully done, and there they themselves are a little endlessly strewing proverbs to try. yes, all the time in general, uh, in spanish culture, sancho is a folklore name, and a lot of all kinds of small folklore genres are associated with him, in which one way or another she asked him about such a simpleton, yes. well, or just a point. yes, it says. eh, often these sayings are completely meaningless. but really

as you understand peas in anger, and because of this, he scolds the subtle move more scolds. here but this is a meaningless saying. this is his pragmatic grounding, which means stupidity. yes, and so on, somehow it turns out to be amazing, but malleable for, uh, quite serious, very deep. the dialogues with don quixote are simply extremely subtly done. here nabokov is completely wrong, no one saw that cervantes is thinner than flaubert in these things, you understand, we don’t have much time left. i know literally dotted line. i would like to say a few words we have already come to this a little bit, but i will not talk about the literary children of don quixote now , because this is an eternal image and images that live independently, we will probably have to gather our thoughts about this once again . i just wanted to ask. hmm . do you have any favorite stuffiness kids. i'll start with my own confession. i really love the japanese author shusako endo, and

a wonderful writer of the 20th century. catholic japanese, 2 quite unexpectedly, maybe for japanese culture, he has aroma of the fifty-ninth, in my opinion, 1950 -ninth, dear mr. fool, who , when we translated for some reason, said that this is xperiitta there is something like that, although this is obviously perfect. that is dostoevsky's idiot, but by and large it is don quixote, so to speak, in the limit, the hero who, ah, it turns out, do you have any favorite don quixotes in the netherlands, one has already sounded today? of course, dostoevsky is the most obvious image, but if we continue the theme of idiots, yes, it was so wonderful too french author of the 20th century is recent. and so it is called, as i was an idiot. now i don’t remember his last name, but also something from this series, uh, so immediately more. and you have, uh,

i love the heirs very much. e other hunting in the english classic novel. here from filling what is called here? uh, this same joseph andrew is andrew from deakins to pickwick. and here, well, and here are the figures of the pastors. the oddest pastors . yes, it's such a gallery, very interesting very curious. for me, this is a very warm heirs of don quixote and warm - this means that without big claims, you understand without uh hanging over the abyss of risk here. eh, so muffled in english is good, like, live bait is sharp, they will do, well, biting, by the way, yes, of course, definitely. you see how we turned around, but still our dear lev nikolaevich myshkin and here he is in what dialogue with

this move the prince is. we already have a poor wind. hmm, it’s difficult, but rather, for dostoevsky, and for the three daughters, it’s such a kind of landmark, with which they constantly compare the prince. e. well, dostoevsky, of course, in the manuscript he called prince christ christ and uh. similarly, he saw, uh, don quixote and , of course, his famous words that if my neighbor had been clearly proved that the truth is not with christ, then i would have stayed at home . yes, this is don quixoteism, for dostoevsky it is conjugated with myshkin, this is not a dialogue. it's like, he's more like an emanation even in them there in general for the author. well, the last question then. and we have marked so many forks, yes, and the question is this, and it is clear that every time every

generation, let them read such great books in their own way. and he learns something about himself, including about his time. so, what do you think today, with the help of don quixote, we learn about our time and about ourselves? well, are we mired in consumerism? i now as already accusatory paphos yes. yes, it is necessary to slap the pastoral. we really need to make it to the final. yes, but he really is, that a man, uh, for the sake of an idea, let there be the most crazy uh, for the sake of ideals, let's say, uh, he is ready for anything for any sacrifice and leave all their possessions. all all your property. eh, that's another matter. here again, i repeat, what follows after this, how wise it is, how correct it is, but here is his inner readiness for a feat. such is the e, which we now clearly lack for everyone, i first of all speak to myself in

relation to don quixote, and today in a tragic situation. because we really need those knights who will pounce on these mills and show that this is actually the truth. giants yes, somehow in modern civilization. she is like that. yes, this is where it seems that the mill is there, there the evil giants are super, and on the other hand, the most terrible things in the modern world can be done in the name of an idea, and this temptation, uh, was deeply and well meaningful culture of the 20th century. but uh, let's say the hero of the chingura cherenguru of this platonov is the heirs of don quixote too. yes, here. well, you have to think about it. we need a savior don quixote and he can be a terrible substitute as well. thank you very much for one vladimirovich pavlovsky a archimandrite. he is tochinsky. i am vladimir berry. today we gathered thoughts about the great novel of cervantes don quixote

, be sure to re-read, if you haven’t re-read it for a long time, friends, if you like to gather your thoughts with us, then all the podcasts of our program. you can find one tv.ru on the first channel website. this is a podcast of triggers, and today we are with you again . we are sergei nana and tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologists and psychotherapists. today in our studio marina came to us. i had such a request literally. i recently realized that i am not aware of my femininity. what is she in about the fact that i am a manager and i have such a more masculine character.

yes, and as if my position , as it were, obliges me to behave anyway, so lately i have been trying to consider a woman in myself, yes, only a woman that i will like, what should be there? and that's what literally recently, i hmm realized that i'm chasing, for some kind of some kind of pattern of this femininity, a generally accepted pattern. it must be some kind of vanilla femininity there, yes, there is a vanilla woman, there mimimi there, i don’t know, i hate it. i realized that this is not about me, but i'm chasing this, but it's not about me at all, and well, it's just one little man literally there a few days ago , a girl told me, she says, i like your femininity so much. she is special for you, she is different for you, and i realized that i mean her, i don’t see her. well, that is, i don’t understand what kind of mine it is and i’m chasing some kind of template. here's a request that i want to consider it. and apparently i don’t accept it, as far as i

understand it again from my own experience, if for some reason i’m chasing this vanilla in your opinion management as a result of the fact that your character is masculine or you still have a masculine character because you are management. good question. i think one follows from the other. i have been on my own since childhood. since childhood, i have not been involved, almost my parents. that is, i have always been left to my own devices, even somewhere right from childhood, they delegate some duties to me that, in principle, do not suit a child. yeah, well, i mean at that point, that's why i think that's probably all, i've always been responsible. i should have been responsible. i have always been the eldest, as it were, well, respectively, in the course of my management. then how would the logic line up a little differently, because you started with the fact that i am a manager, and therefore i have a masculine character, now this is a little brazen and, as a result, is being revised,

because well, we need, of course, to detect some determinism, but the elements of the psyche, but the determinism of the events of your last year so that we can understand, so to speak, where all this comes from could start and started, and you have younger brothers, sisters, younger brother, younger by 8 years. yes, for eight years i am now 42. 8 years old, in fact, i grew up alone with my parents. yes, that’s how this gap is, what do you remember about it now i vaguely remember, i practically don’t remember, and this period there are some such small outbreaks there is some kind of new year there, i don’t know, some went to visit. well, here's something like that, i really remember myself, just the same, when i started to remember better, when my brother appeared. i abruptly became an older older adult. that's it, i've been here for 8 years. i was already an adult.

yes, i don't remember. no, not like that, come on, here we are going to visit. i'm mom dad. yes, how old are you at this moment who went to visit, what is happening right in the present tense. write friends of my parents, very good friends. there was a certain company there, there were just three or four families, i don’t remember exactly, and we constantly, if we gathered. these are holidays events, especially the new year. for some reason, i remember exactly the new year, it was just these families. we are children, i was. well, a girl and another boy who is older than me is everything i can remember. make adults sit at the table at the table. they somehow communicate on their own topics there, who are in the same room, who is in the kitchen here smokes there is something else such a feeling somehow in their own kind of merke why? well , i want to say some kind of my own mirok. that is, i do not belong to them. i myself play

relaxed. but in principle, somehow here, but how would they describe you. here is marina with us, she is what an independent. well, such a marina yes take it, yes hmm well, i mean, marina is not going anywhere, you bet nothing happened to her. it looked like some form of indifference towards you. yes, i still have a feeling , that is, that, well, no matter how fond , probably, yes, they didn’t give scans there or somehow i don’t know, like a girl. yes, i always have the feeling that i was. and even as a child i always played with toys , but i don’t know there, a machine gun, a ball, there was something like that, that is. well, here's the boy, it seems it was your choice or it after all, that's how you were raised. this is most likely, it would not be mine, it seems to me. why do you think you could have chosen being a boy the first phrase that comes to

mind? did the pope want a boy? did the father want a son? yes, well, somehow here in some conversations. i heard it so not that directly he told me that, well, no, i first wanted a boy, i don’t remember this. yes, but in some that dad really wanted a boy. uh, in the moment, and you have no extraneous thoughts in your head. you are not thinking in the future, about something, what do i need to do. you are not in the past. the pace is digesting some situation. my aunt lyusya stepped on my foot 2 hours ago, how painful it was, what kind of bastard is she? excuse me. yes, but you are here. you see some manifestations of a person. and, you know, a state of some kind of silence until, i don't know, inner silence, and you are in observation. you spoke very beautifully about the future, about the past, about the future. this is when the attention of the surrounding men is shown to you. and you do not make plans about how to give your grandchildren the past, accordingly, you are not coming back, the future

is to remove this position, i have to do it there, and i have already built everything there, yes, but the past cannot be dragged. here is the baggage from the past. this is the real man of the past with the rest, which is just there, just there is a person, as it were, and let him be. that's how it was to remove here. what's the importance? this is the importance of attention and approach to you because you, unlike the baby from the girl who had this initiation. you are a grown woman who in fact, it is able to withstand this borderline and let it in and approach it as far as you are comfortable, like some kind of game, even this is a pleasant, correct, good game. and just here in this there is bliss, yes, the class is super. great. thank you marin for such a really deep conversation in general. thank you very much. thank you, what was it under the castrugers with you. we are sergey on ourselves. he is

tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologists and psychotherapists , and marina was our guest with whom we talked about nature and her femininity. stays in the heart