[000:00:38;00] hostilities continue in ukraine advisers to president zelensky are increasingly threatening to kill the russian population not only in the donbass

, not only in crimea but also in russia itself how the organization for security and cooperation in europe is finally becoming obsolete , and we need to cry about it or raise it. uh, glasses of champagne, but we'll start, of course, with the main news of the day with drone attacks on residential buildings. in moscow, i will say right away from my point of view the military result of this attack is minimal for any person. didn't even have to go to the hospital. uh, not a single building was destroyed, well, all the services of moscow, according to all the information that we have, that they worked very, very

effectively, i did not see any panic in the city, but on the other hand, it is clear that when you you talk about what is trying to terrorize the population of a big city and deny e russia the correct normal life, then one has to judge not only by military results, but also by psychological results. and this is a process of a different kind and longer and more complicated. but for now, i want to ask our outstanding military expert , lieutenant general yevgeny buzhinsky. one simple question, who did it? why did they do it? and how russia, from your point of view , has long been reacting to this, especially considering that from a military point of view. this is generally a minor event. you know dmitry well

, to answer this question, you need to say, well, take a backstory, at least the last few days. uh, it's no secret that the number of strikes and the quality of strikes that has been carried out the last week it has increased significantly russian russian. yes, of course, russian strikes are being made on e, airfields, which is very positive, and on airfields. e in the western part of ukraine, e , where, as it is supposed, if they are based on ukrainian territory, what they don’t really believe, they will be based, most likely in western ukraine, therefore, that our aviation and our e, missile troops. uh, they destroy both aircraft at airfields and airfield infrastructure - this is very positive. plus e to this, as the president said today. it has already been officially

applied. uh, a blow to the location of the headquarters. e of the main directorate of intelligence of ukraine, er , videos have already appeared on social networks, where they are clearing the rubble, everything is unhooked. there is the most degeneral budanov, who promises to kill the russian crimeans. yes, it promises a lot. he threatens all the time. he is always there to kill everyone, capture, dismember. uh, get there to vladivostok, but as they say, god is his judge, let him try, but uh, and most likely, this, of course, you know that, uh. well, there is, not revenge, but an attempt to somehow respond to the russian federation , we will be based on the official data of the ministry of defense that there were eight drones in total, and not 32. no, 25 like uh, there are already in social networks. uh

, such numbers flash from these eight e, five e were intercepted by e air defense and three were electronic warfare. uh, off course. it's probably these. e. here uavs, in fact, crashed into the building on profsoyuznaya street, on leninsky prospekt and in the moscow settlement in new moscow, uh, their ultimate goal. uh, it was obviously a little further away, maybe it was the building of the ministry of defense, maybe other buildings. uh, well, in any case, uh, they didn't achieve their goals. i have to say that you need to be ready for this. i don't think this is the last attempt of the ukrainians. uh, we need and the president said about it today, we need to strengthen the air defense system, the shell is very good system. it is very good. for low-flying, uh

, not high-speed targets, but you can’t put a shell, uh, everywhere, therefore. i think we can go back to recall the anti-aircraft machine gun installations, which, so to speak, are quite effective for e-e low flying precisely slow somewhat high-speed targets. you can, by the way, use uh, helicopters and uh and reconnaissance and fire support. uh, in their cannon-gun armament. you can put on tours, you can put equipment for radioactive suppression, that is, with normal guidance by means, and centralized air defense systems, they can also be quite effective, therefore. uh, like the president said, uh, the system has worked satisfactorily, but there's work to be done for a second. since they mentioned twice what the president said. let's see

what he said and then we'll get back to you if you don't know, okay? we have already talked about the possibility of hitting here. uh, what do you decide on the decision-making center? of course, this category also includes the military intelligence headquarters of ukraine, to which a blow was struck 2-3 days ago in response, as you know, the kiev regime. e, i chose another way of trying to intimidate russia , intimidating russian citizens and hitting residential buildings. this, of course, is clearly a sign of terrorist activity. well, first of all, i want to say that the system worked. uh , that's satisfactory, well, in general, it's clear what needs to be done to compact, and we will do it, but i'm not even so

worried about it. how many attempts are there to evoke a response from russia, apparently, to this they are calculated to provoke us to do mirror actions with this, but the citizens of ukraine who, uh, well, of course, don’t have a word now, since total terror has been unleashed against the civilian population in ukraine. still, they should know what the current leadership of this country is pushing for. and uh, just to understand that there are other issues related, for example, with attempts by gas to organize work at the zaporozhye nuclear power plant or use some kind of dirty devices, in my opinion, yes, it is connected with the nuclear industry. we have already talked about this. no , repeatedly, but we know that e is clear that, so that we don’t say, they will always

look for the guilty in russia. well actually add. i have nothing, really the president set the task. it is necessary to condense the air defense system well, naturally, and you say that there are such real possibilities. there are real possibilities , it’s another matter that initially, when the air defense system of the moscow industrial region was created, starting with the thirty-fifth system, then 135 now here the thirty-fifth is already uh will be adopted. she's still oriented. this is a full-scale system, of course, and with radar stations for intercepting a target, escorting three echelons of interception at a small medium long range, but this is still a system focused on intercepting ballistic missiles, it is focused on countering

an attack such a serious attack with, so to speak, serious strike weapons , but what we encountered during a special military operation is e drones, low-speed low-altitude, sometimes converted simply from commercial drones. here, of course, er, other means are needed. i'm repeating the shell system now, it's very good, but it's an object system. well, you can probably cover the whole of moscow with a shell, but probably, yes, well, russia in general, when we had discussions with the americans about anti-missile defense, it was completely clear to us that we were going to cover the whole country. how, by the way, the americans also swung at it, but then they realized that it was unrealistic not in terms of money, not in terms of capabilities. a we can only, uh, so to speak, uh , implement anti-missile anti-air defense, but still

objects, including a lot of huge country. therefore, well, i repeat once again, you can also recall the old means that are already, uh, so to speak, e decommissioned uh as unnecessary, but but against such uh, i repeat once again low-speed low-altitude targets, anti-aircraft machine gun installations are if they put more on jeeps so that they are mobile. by the way, they are very good. just like a helicopter again with proper target designation. they can play a role too. thank you very much to konstantin zatulin, you are a leading member of the state duma, first deputy chairman of the relevant committee for the cis well, and besides, you are a great, really great expert on ukraine, e. and so, uh, many uh in moscow have a question. well, uh, russia can do something with respect to ukraine, except, of course

, the final victory. well, can uh, the russian army do something, any other russian services in ukraine that, from your point of view, would convince zelensky’s entourage the ukrainian president himself, which, in general, is all their growing audacity. you know, i heard a lot about terrorism forced or initiated in any discussion in which i participated or witnessed a participant in which i was ultimately, no one could refute the fact that terrorism is a weapon of the weak. and from this point of view, the answer to your question. can we do something? can we do something so that zelensky is not weak zelensky is this regime that cannot win in any other way, but trying to intimidate? well, that's what i see in

this whole story. this is a test of what we are worth if we are frightened or let's say we are about this, if we were frightened it was a calculation, then we would not be worth anything, at least compared to our predecessors , our ancestors, who withstood significantly more the victims suffered damage in years. the last world war. we have already agreed, in my opinion, internally , at least for sure, that this is not just a special military operation, but a war, and not only with ukraine, and may even maybe not so much from ukraine, and if as a result and during this war we suffer such losses as two broken glasses, then this can only be wished for by and large, but people who yes, they certainly exist, who, of course, are not used to. they can be understood to the fact that drones fly over moscow and arrive in moscow, they have the right to their questions. but i would like to say the

same. to repeat in essence what was just said by putin. in fact, the only answer to this is victory. victory , of course, has its stages, so the general victory is what we strive for, but also specific victories every day. for a period of successful military operations. this is the answer we should seek, if it's about that let's break a few glasses or kill someone else there in the center of kiev and thus satisfy. ego your ego or your revenge then, i do not think that this church, which must strive to strive, must be victorious. and for this, a lot of things need to be done, in fact, and there are serious problems here. in my opinion, which have to admit they exist. so we need to work on solving these problems, and

then on ensuring that, well, i think that everyone should be responsible for their own. uh, actually a curious story with the number of actually former drones, because we know the official and trust the official information of 8 drones. but if the goal of those who launch the version that there were 25 or 32 of them is to emphasize that there were so many of them, then their effectiveness is even lower, because out of thirty-two they still hit or there flew somewhere two or three, therefore. here you can argue about the number of drones. but there was practically no destruction in moscow. this is an indisputable fact, because it was practically impossible to hide it in moscow. so i am talking about this and i want all muscovites and

those who, uh, served or are going to serve male violence, and those who should not serve in any case. uh, women , children, old people, and so on, so that they can be calm and confident in this regard. this is not the case, because of which it is necessary to seriously we need to worry so that we achieve success, so that all kinds of operations take place in a shorter time and with greater effect. and for this a lot of things need to be done? i admit it. you know konstantin actually this situation. it has many parallels in history and many times, as the russians had to. and show the bastards do not interfere, otherwise

we will actually cut you into pieces and understand that war is a serious matter and sometimes. sometimes you need to endure, not because you endure insult and humiliation, but to endure, because that you are serious about the victory let's listen to what a well-known poet said about this. we retreated in silence for a long time , it was annoying to fight. they waited, the old people grumbled, why don’t we dare to rip off our uniforms in a winter apartment, or something? and the russian bayonets and their good illustration, the answer to this was borodino and how would we know all this we know we went through all this. although, as the minister of foreign affairs said in an interview with our program, sergey lavrov, of course, itches his hands, but

when your hands itch, sometimes you need to reprimand to ten, when your hands itch, then you need to listen to the song. get up a huge country. here 's what she has to get up if she's not fully up yet. that's for sure, right? andrey denisov, a leading senator, is also the first deputy chairman of a relevant committee only in the council of the federation of international affairs committees and, in the recent past , an ambassador to china, uh, first deputy foreign minister, ambassador to the united nations. i have a very important question for you. but these drones, as i understand it, the general were ukrainian production. yes, you know dmitry uh, at first that it is ukrainian -made, then it was refuted with j22 uh, you know you need to wait officially for what the ministry of defense will say, so about it, because maybe

ukrainian, maybe western- made. let's see. i'm not ready for the new version of modern weapons. it's like that's not the kind of operation when kiev depends, huh? from their e-curators e, but in general, the way this war is being waged. it is clear that ukraine is a spear created it is sharpened in completely different places. and, of course, the main decisions are made in completely different places. the difficulty is that it is possible to strike at kiev and other ukrainian cities and the decision-making center, but, uh , nato's position is that we arm the ladies and finance the ladies? yes, we share

irritable information ladies make a decision, in fact, we are not participating in this war, and therefore russia has no right to respond. this is not the way for us. do you think from a legal and political point of view this is a position that can be take seriously? well, of course not, and from any point of view. eh, but i would still focus not so much on political or legal. how much from a human point of view, after all, what we are dealing with is real military operations against russia, which is carried out on the territory of ukraine by the forces of the ukrainian e, military armed e, western weapons. i saw the message. not being

an expert in this area, i can’t judge 100%, but it was about the fact that all the reserves , all the weapons, all the weapons of the ukrainian the armed forces, which at the time of the start with a special military operation, were actually knocked out and ukraine is fighting. uh, western weapons, and then a purely human point of view. do you want to agree with this? no, but it works. uh, just in my opinion, uh perfect. something unprecedented even in the history of wars, ukrainians, ukrainian military. living people turn into weapons into weapons that, together with metal weapons supplied by the west, fight against us, and therefore deliberately turn with the west and their own leadership into consumable and from this fact. well,

it's absolutely impossible to leave - that's quite obvious. so here, in my opinion, there can be no two opinions. it seems to me that, too , if you speak of both legal and moral standards. and of course, if you are talking about the practical side of things. uh, then uh , the collective west has actually become a belligerent country beyond any doubt. i do not want to be misunderstood, because understanding something again does not mean, but the right to rash actions. and i always say on our program. how to carefully relate to their actions, because actions most likely give rise to opposition and, uh, a lot of things can be, but to mention what russia could do against the collective west, for example, cancel a state like

great britain, which, in general, too, and in russian opportunities, but when you think what does this mean and what could it lead to, of course, uh. any movements of this kind must be treated very carefully, but on the other hand. it seems to me that it is very important in this situation that both you and your opponents understood your possibilities so that they understand what they are playing with. i'm right , general, that russia has such opportunities. lots and lots that haven't been used yet. you know, of course, in russia there are still opportunities for this and the leadership of the ministry of defense, and the president says that we have not yet used the entire set of tools, in particular. we really strike very selectively, uh, even if we strike at the same kiev or other large cities, then we strike

at industrial enterprises, fuel depots, uh, weapons depots. well, now they have begun to strike at airfields. well, i would, for example, uh, so to speak, what struck was a locomotive depot to disable, so to speak, the railway. it is not necessary, even to destroy bridges for now, but, of course, we are not , uh, well, i consider strategic aviation to be practically the minimum for actions, which is also quite. it is also capable of carrying, uh, bombs, which we have now turned into simple high-explosive bombs, very powerful there 500-one and a half tons 3,5, and they are actually planning into high-precision weapons. uh, that is, aviation in general, we are involved. so, according to estimates, somewhere around 40 percent, probably ah. we can use aviation much more. that

is, there are still funds. uh, we don't know, the whole spectrum of weapons and even new weapons, about which he speaks so to speak and calls criticism of the ministry of defense there. i think that if necessary, uh, these funds will all be used. well, for example. pipelines run along the one baltic sea, which you know along the one baltic sea runs there, not the baltic north sea. well, the baltic yes pipeline. submarine cables also run in the north sea, which provide a complete connection, er, of great britain with the continent and gas pipes , wires under the atlantic ocean, generally pass. there are deep sea cables that connect the united states to the european continent by continent. building or undermining. e any of this element of infrastructure, as the americans

and the british themselves considered, would be a loss. there's on the order of a trillion dollars a day, when the banking system becomes all communication. that is, of course, this is such an apocalyptic scenario, but americans are also very afraid of it. the british are especially afraid of being cut off from everything. well, i think they are right to be afraid. i have the other hand it seems that they are afraid of something afraid. well, in general, they don’t allow it, but ruki does it. that's very aptly said, and i uh again. eh, i don't want to rumble. e weapons, a and engage in threats. i just want to say the obvious about it said one. uh, an eminent american political scientist is on our program, what for the united states with the american from the point of view of the biden administration, there are two extreme desirable options, one is a clear victory for russia, which is

understandable why, but the other is a clear victory for ukraine because, as he said, russia will definitely not allow it. and, uh, i would do what they don’t want in london, washington , or brussels, and now, it seems to me that there are too many people who make decisions in the collective west, but they have some kind of false sense of calm, and a false feeling of invulnerability. and it seems to me that very, very dangerous for politicians and we have talked about this, uh, senator about this repeatedly, which is very difficult u to instill, u this kind of leader should realism, because as long as you only talk and don’t do it , they want to ignore it and even use their interests speaking, here

russia is engaged in blackmail. but, and if a you start doing it, then in general, it's uh real. if you want a new moment of escalation , and this should be treated extremely. seriously. i don't know how we can convince, say president biden, that if he is serious says that he does not want a third world war. do you speak in general? this is in general. it doesn't help much. actually, i admit that there is such a problem. i would call it the problem of squaring the circle, in which russia is a nuclear power. responsibly, relating to its status does not allow itself to resort to nuclear weapons. even during the war, even during the uprising, not only from ukraine but also from the west, understanding the consequences of all this, and western leaders.

as you just quite rightly said believe that this can be ignored and , so to speak, rest assured that this will never happen and is increasing its escalation. well, actually we say in such cases, it's all possible to the first policeman. that's who will be this first policeman. i don’t know, maybe the manufacturer will be impressed if the foreign intelligence service steals his hearing aid before his speech in congress. well , in this case, he will finally understand that, in fact, he is touchable and achievable. but this, of course, is a joke, but in fact, yes, i i believe that nuclear weapons are a certain threshold, but there are a lot of other episodes throughout this story, at least like a retaliatory step to undermine the northern gas pipelines, which can be

eventually applied. i remind you that when there was a civil war in spain and each country chose its own side and line of conduct, official spain did not fight with germany and italy, but they supplied the rebels. we know both weapons and aircraft and anything the soviet union supplied its weapons to the republicans, but so these ships, between by the way, our ships were sunk on the approach to spain. and when it was possible, of course, therefore, if you behave so frankly, if, for example, you attack the ship that provides that very grain deal patrolling in the zone of execution of this grain contract. i mean the ship of the black sea fleet. ivan course, we know him. seriously not injured, maybe not injured at all, but the attack itself is doubtful, then in this case, you must understand that retaliatory actions may

follow and another problem arises due to the fact that it may be the united states, someone believes that we completely control the behavior of our belligerent ally ukraine but after all, there are our ambitions our emotions our desire to put before a fact and involve, including the west in the fight against russia directly and what could be provocations? what other drones can fly in and terrorist attacks can follow. although outwardly, it seems that the west has nothing to do with this, and respected wise people from the white house may be drawn into a situation that they would not want to be, dear wise people from white house. uh, they've been investigating former president trump for years for russian interference and found no russian interference. they investigated the russian trace in the attack

on the american congress on january 6, 21 and could not find anything and give those who participated in this attack where one person died. and this one man was from among, and the protestants. they are from among the defenders, however. here they present it as a mortal threat. republics, by the way. for some reason, i don’t have statistical data simply on the basis of my impressions, assuming that there are extremely , negatively related to president lane and his globalist dashing people, that there are more such people in the united states than people, but sharply, negatively related to the current government in russia and russia has never helped these people. they just resented every time they suspected a russian highway,

several thousand russians, over the past decades, moved to the united states and many of them in america are very, very like. and even more they do not like the way they are treated. of course, again, i 'm not talking about everyone. not even about the majority, but i just want to say that those in the united states, again, believe that they are invulnerable. i think they are wishful thinking. how to make them become serious for a moment? this is already a very good question, to which i definitely do not have an easy answer. from the great, let's say so, to the ridiculous, we were once again reminded that there is such an organization a security organization

and cooperation in europe, and you imagine what a horror it can cease to exist, said the head of the ministry of foreign affairs in finland pc and this is if someone does not know, and why should someone know, given the insignificance, this is an organization it turns out that in the twenty-fourth year, the western partners decided that estonia should be the chairman of this organization and offered itself for this role. and none of the western partners came to mind that for this tiny, undemocratic country with russian political practice. well, in general, and without some level of state wisdom, what to entrust them to the leadership of the organization, it was premature, but since everything is decided there

by consensus, russia and belarus stopped and now the question arises. they say in the finnish foreign ministry whether russia will show statesmanship and a sense of responsibility and still agree to estonia, despite the fact that there is an alternative, kazakhstan well, of course, the west cannot agree to a country that is trying to take a really neutral position this organization, in general, for some reason, general dmitry well, in general, it is rather strange, because the chairmanship of the osce, and with e is carried out on the basis of the alphabet. and in principle, just like last year or the year before last, i don’t remember poland last year, then the next one should be either portugal, but you know very close to russia, there, i don’t remember these signs. as for the organization itself. i started with her, well , actually work in this organization. true, they did not work on a permanent basis on the basis of rotation,

and in the ninety-second year, until 2019, almost 17 years, and i'll tell you. well, when i started working there, this organization was really useful. uh, the negotiations on the vienna document on confidence building measures were underway. uh, come on, open skies negotiations. er, that is, the work was in full swing . it was very interesting to coordinate it. and then, and a permanent council forum for security cooperation was formed - all this was really actively interesting. but yes, have been there. eh, of course. eh, such skirmishes were very interesting to watch when u were arguing among themselves. uh, armenia and azerbaijan when they argued among themselves there greece and turkey on the issue. it was interesting for cyprus to observe these

discussions. ah, but lately, uh, you know, uh, the organization has become, well, practically useless, because yes, consensus rules. eh, not a single substantive decision passes the latter. uh, since the age of 14. the whole agenda is filled with, uh, ukrainian, uh, so to speak, with these ukrainian affairs. uh, west naturally. fully supports ukraine, as our diplomats told me. they even reach some indecent things, you know, when they approach our delegation there. there are all sorts of gestures, obscene and so on. that is. uh, if this organization ceases to exist, taking into account the fact that uh, the treaties on conventional armed forces. no, the open skies treaty, no, the vienna document is practically blocked, because it

absolutely does not correspond to realities. eh, today. we tried to do something like this in istanbul in 1999 tell him to adapt. we were told. now we have taken the same position. we are satisfied with everything. therefore, if it ceases to exist, but it’s a pity, of course, but it won’t do much harm, and you’re sorry to bet quickly. well, unlike the general. i haven't worked in a security organization for a single day, although i had the opportunity because. there is a parliamentary assembly and the state duma every time in every convocation and forms a permanent delegation , i never aspired to this delegation, and that's all, because i understood. well, if not worthlessness of this organization itself, then in any case, that its existence and attention to it is part of the in general psychological

ideological struggle that is being waged against us, involving us in fact in complicity in the instruments that are a false picture of a single world that was objectively directed against russia actually. we are well aware that no one in the uk or in france in the uk at least among the people who inhabit does not know about the existence of a security organization cooperation, and our parliamentary delegations. before, when it was fashionable what is the name of our today's uh speaker. vyacheslav volodin parliamentary tourism. they fought endlessly. it's all on the front pages of our papers all the time. described in detail. first of all, i want to say. this is that there can be no organization for security and cooperation in europe in the absence of security and cooperation in europe. this is the first, but in fact it is even

more important to say the following. i know that maybe not everyone will agree with me, but i believe that the soviet union at one time was caught on this bait for sure. he was caught on this bait, because the people who led the soviet union went through the war. it was a sincere desire on their part that there would be no more war, that the borders pursued would be inviolable. and for the sake of this, they did not agree to a third basket on these so-called human rights topics, which were used for utilitarian purposes to destroy a negotiating partner. they agreed to this with everything about a deep mind, because their eyes were destruction the price of military operations during the great patriotic world war ii and so on. they were treated absolutely dishonestly with us, because this whole organization. why was she turned with her tip against us for the sake of destroying the very space that she helped

herself to deceive, and uh, someone had good motives for this. and some may not. let's see what a person wrote about this, who knew well how brezhnev made the decision and supported the creation of this organization, and this is from memoirs alexander vovina after the election campaign, preparations for the entire european conference in helsinki came to the fore. this is a catalmite log, and in the middle of the main helsinki creators was anatoly gavrilovich kovalev, one of the few bright heads in the environment, gromyko was officially at the level of propaganda at the meeting in helsinki signed on august 1, 1975. the final act was seen as a major victory for soviet diplomacy, kovalev made great efforts to convince his native foreign ministry of this and also to politbero as apss working on the helsinki speech. we actively supported kovalev and convinced although

it seemed to me that the skull of doubt continued to gnaw on parts of the soul, however, for the recognition by the west of the conditionally inviolability of borders. the east quite unconditionally recognized the inviolability of human rights and fundamental freedoms. the soviet union recognized that these rights and freedoms are under the direct protection of international law. this meant that our main argument , the laissez-faire argument, practically collapsed. and soviet citizens are endowed with rights, as they are enjoy freedom. this is our internal affair, and the same final act does not order to interfere in internal affairs and agree with other memoirs, but is sick in supporting this decision. he was not alone supported by several other ancient consultants. and they are in plain text. they say that they supported this not because they were very worried about the borders in europe and not

because they did not really hope that russia would be an equal participant in international trade in this regard. but because they were afraid that the soviet union was rolling back to stalinism, and they didn't mind they liked the idea of ​​signing an international agreement that would push. uh, the soviet union in the right direction, they were in the internal fund of opposition to their own state for sure. and so i want to ask you senators about this. not so much even about this particular episode. and if you like, and philosophies in popular relations. to what extent it is legitimate, but signing far, going to people's agreements is not so much, because these agreements are insanely needed. ah, because you want to advance your

internal agenda, even considering that from your point of view this agenda is maybe , uh, very reasonable and noble. well , i know it's a difficult question. yes, i would not say that it is difficult, at least for me it is difficult. no, this is not the point dmitry, uh, he is logically difficult, but it seems to me quite easily, explicable from the point of view of such simple worldly logic. well, look at raising the question, since here are some of our experts that they were secretly planning something there and in fact, they circled around the finger of those who, uh, who stood uh, fed the authorities of our general secretary himself, and at that time already the chairman of the president of the supreme soviet of the ussr andrei andreevich gromyko yes, listen, i worked with these people. this is certainly an outstanding personality, the same alexander evgenievich boin e. anton said that kovalev

, but still, let's not equate them with andrey andreevich, gromyko is a different weight category, so there may have been such motives, but i think that there is a well-known simplification, but really it was, uh, exactly the middle of the seventies. yes, 30 years have passed since the end of the war, as our leaders rightly said, well , almost all the leonids are just brezhnev, for sure, a commander of the order of the red banner of war , major general. at the end of the war, they knew well what war was, but life changed precisely in the seventies under the leadership of leonid ilyich brezhnev . uh, let's say don't reveal any so to speak you know there, how, uh, accepted one side the other side is, after all, uh, in the history of our state was. well, probably the first period when people

healed normal. they began to move into apartments and began to receive some material benefits. even if all this was at a low sufficient level, there was little and so on, but this was the first period of relative calm. we and helsinki have the final act in many ways, as it were, on the crest, these are the public moods of the situation in which our country found itself . seventy-fifth year. eh, discharge. e. leonidovich brezhnev's trip to the united states of america and nixon brezhnev there and so on. uh, uh, the very atmosphere in society has changed, and apparently, here it shows uh, the publication of uh. you know, i was working on the final act at that time in 1975. wall earnings and when i found out what was signed to conclude this on the radio i asked the foreman for a bicycle to

go to the district center of the kiosk union of printing and buy it for 2 kopecks. newspaper, true, to read this any final act was not interesting, although i have nothing to do with this topic right was worth three kopecks. well , yes, inexpensive, let's say, yes, in any case , inexpensive, as it were, soda. yeah, whatever it was to compare, that period, because in 2 years we will celebrate half a century, half a century , to this very signing of the act of formation first it was a meeting on security cooperation in europe, then an organization for security cooperation and security cooperation in europe i had something to do with on work towards the economic dimension participated in discussions and so on and so forth. uh by positions in the central apparatus of his ministry it can be said that this had no practical way out, and, in general, it did not remain in my memory. uh

, the uniqueness of the organization is that although it is called here is the last letter e europe but besides europe there are quite a few states that are not related to the european ion. why because the soviet union entered the organization and when the soviet union collapsed the state remained there, this and the south caucasus, this and central asia, and, probably, for our, uh, neighbors. uh, already in let's say the latest. so the times of organization had a certain meaning as well as an opportunity here, er, to. unfortunately, unfortunately, because in this way an alternative has arisen for us to those organizations that we ourselves create here, really. we, in general, uh, obviously did not foresee the consequences of what will happen. what is the feature? why are we especially recent years? yes, even i will say, for the last 10 years i have felt a little bit, so to speak , deceived, because uh, these are all these measurements, all three baskets the first, second and

third. the first basket is safety. for some reason. uh, nato took responsibility after all, there are all all nato countries , all, uh, in the osce, uh, on economic issues , the european union has moved to the forefront, we are not participating there, not there, but we are left with only the third basket, elections human rights and so on, which, of course, i cannot arrange in any way. well what can i say? and well-intentioned fictional roads we know where those who don't know you and literally through the numerical months. after how this conclusion had to be signed in moscow created the so-called helsinki group and predictably this helsinki group was financed from where? yes, as it is not difficult to guess, all her attention and all

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that will be made in beijing whose side will they be on except, of course, their own and here is the latest decision in beijing , which has just been announced that the chinese defense minister is on the senator will not meet with the minister of the raven at the same event. how serious is this. well, what could be more serious? this is really serious. and here you just need to, well, sort of see a certain underlying reason. shangrila forum. e, dear evgeny petrovich knows this better than i do, this is one of the world's leading and certainly the leading most leading forum in the region for discussing military-political issues at the leadership level and, above all, defense departments and diplomatic ministers take part in them or deputy ministers of defense, including our country's shangri-la. uh, on behalf of the hotel where this

is all done and it has already established itself over the years as such an authoritative venue and, uh, this venue creates a very convenient opportunities for two-way contacts. as is generally the case at international forums at all kinds of congresses, sometimes participants, especially high-ranking ones, come and participate there not in order to speak at plenary sessions; sometimes it is simply passed on to their deputies, but precisely in order to meet in a bilateral format. moreover, it is often possible to do this on the sidelines over a cup of coffee somewhat, so to speak, downplaying the official status of the conversation, this is extremely convenient. it's not the first time they take part chinese defense secretary us secretary of defense and usually such meetings. e created-e, occurred e. the parties mutually agreed gave consent and discussed very important issues. let's proceed from the fact that in any case, apart from all the others under the incoming circumstances of this

kind, contacts are certainly useful, but the americans have driven themselves into a corner. i remember well the day when the general had lichen, then he was, uh, a lieutenant general. and this is the current chinese minister colonel general and minister of defense yes. colonel general is the highest military rank of the reconciling army. china when he was under these sanctions, you know? you do it. just spread your arms, judge for yourself one country sells to another country, i pay attention to weapons, weapons are defensive. uh, the air defense complex in full compliance with international rules was russia this country was russia the buyers was china. it was a commercial contract in full compliance with international accounting procedures, because all this exists. and uh, hmm while the third a country that has nothing to do with this one itself. here is an operation located thousands

of kilometers away, in a completely different hemisphere. suddenly imposes sanctions. and for whom, not for politicians , not for those who make decisions. she let high-ranking. let be. uh, to the star general, but nonetheless an officer who , by virtue of his position, signs this very document, since this is part of his official duties, but of course you understand this with china uh, this is not possible. it was simply perceived and still is perceived, as far as i can tell, of course, as an insult, so the chinese side is sending a signal. here you first remove these absurd sanctions, and then we'll talk, but the american ones. well, let's say partners. we no longer use this term to ourselves; for china, this is a partner. they, well, speak with a blue eye. well, wait, the presence of sanctions does not prevent such a meeting from taking place, that is, according to the american logic, sanctions are , well, like, in general, uh, you know, there is a tide