and he didn't really go anywhere. and if i went somewhere, they gave me a bunch of products with me, such as sausages, that’s all there, so that i could somehow live. i have exactly the same children and watching my son grow up, right at this age, i discovered a very interesting defensive reaction that actually exists in all children, but i dedicated it to him, and in this sense it is called noah like this here, that is, when something new is not only food, but also in food, it is offered to my little son. he first said no and then looked, what offers. this is not. and i realized that this is the protective function of the child from everything new and this is a very important function, because a child of a certain age follows this world. and well, it tastes to the touch, yes, and so on, but at a certain moment the child begins to defend himself against everything new, then with age it is protection, and an adult person in general develops. he tries to live

the most stable comfortable life so that nothing new breaks in. and if you steal, then under control, yes, somehow breaks out and therefore this age, when such protection begins to form in children. and look, you say, we tried something tasteless, we go to the same cafe, it's strange, i perceive, but it's strange. if you asked me, for example, 15 years ago, i would not only understand you, i would say the right thing to do, but suddenly get poisoned in another place. because i haven't eaten anywhere. if i came somewhere abroad, and i came there almost with my food, relatively speaking, yes, there, i always ate only what that i know how it looks alive or there in the beds and that's how it looks here, but 15 years maybe a little more ago. i set myself such a task that now i will be everything in general, that's all that they give. i will eat everything. the only thing i have failed in my life. and this is where it gets hard. this is tibetan tea with you and your husband, both of you actually have selective food and why did i ask how you eat? how do you go? what is the culture of your dinners at, and so on, and

of course the child sees this and he cannot but learn this, because you bring up your child. no, they accepted the so-called, that is, he impresses your behavior within himself. as a result, this is his behavior. well, and, accordingly, further it seems to him that this is his personality. right now. his personality, as if it had just begun to take shape. not even formed yet. it begins to take shape, including , uh, protection against your proposals. this is the formation of his personality, while he is just an individual, but there is another very important point. ah. i will make the assumption that when you were coming out of that depression, one of the pillars, thanks to whom you got out, is your child. and that was your identification, mom, of course, that i have to get out of depression, because i'm a mother, because if something happens, not what will happen. i will tell you a secret. nothing happened at all. would have cried and would have found a new mother, i don’t know where the stepmother would be like in a good fairy tale, it doesn’t matter if it’s bad. yes, but it was

the identity that got you out of there. and as soon as she pulled you out. she hooked you up with your son again. she just grabbed you. and that's why he plays mom with you my leg hurts, feed me. yes, mom, i can’t hold a fork with my hand, feed me, because this is your game with him and you play in this sad game. he loves it and you love it. this is obviously all absolutely right in that it is anxiety. this is your game and he plays along with you. this is its symptom. it's not his problem. he's just playing along. let's try to figure it out. why do you already have such anxiety ? please tell me about your childhood, about your family. i have a mom. the brother was the father. well, what does it mean was when i was seven years old, my parents divorced, and we left. my mother, my mother , my brother and i left.

older brother for four years i didn’t parents live together, how was the family, while they were not together, it feels like, you know, it comes to mind that this is my childhood. this is an anxious childhood. something is happening to you right now because your father raised his hand. the father understood the hand on his brother. and there were moments when i was scared for the life of my brother and my mother, my father did not raise his hand to me, but it was all before my eyes. this was repeatedly. yes, brother, a 40-degree frost even ran away from home barefoot. dad did. it's under the influence of alcohol in particular, yes. and so, at some point, my mother realized that, well, just when a hammer had already flown in her. that he just one day, well, it can

happen scary? she brought us together. first , we moved to an apartment with her friend, after some time, the father returned us. found returned knelt on his knees asked his mother to return. then, anyway, everything returned to normal and my mother packed things for him, they left for grandmother to her mother and how to continue together. and then everything was relatively calm, but only i remember that i was like a child, as if there was something wrong with me. well, that is, i had some fears, as if inside myself, and then when i started to grow up, it so happened that my mother was, brother, at that time he divorced, met his fourth wife and also moved to his grandmother. he also drank heavily. again danger appeared again danger. i remember very well that i had a fear of coming home from school. i don't

i wanted to go home. i always had some kind of fear at school, and i can’t stand people intoxicated with alcohol. do you communicate with your father now? at the moment , no, and recently, on the advice of just the same psychologist. she told me that in a good way it would be either how to write a letter , as if to a father, or in a good way , to find in general where he could talk to him on the phone there, i tried to find him, but i had the only one. the connection is through my cousin. i write to her, she doesn't answer. uh-huh, i don't know how to find my father anymore. i don’t even know if he is alive, and how did you cope with this fear, well, as if you were hiding it in yourself, and dad threatened your mother or your brother with words in the life. i mean threatened. words do not remember what your well, their

life is for safety. well, after all, here is papa yes at home without a hammer, that is, papa poses this threat. ah, that is, you understand, he can stab to kill for souls, yes, that is, such pictures, you somehow imagined yourself sometime. how are you, you can protect them. perhaps you fell asleep there and thought how strong you would be, for example, you would beat him. yes, that is, that's what i can do there, no. and i curled up and closed my eyes. i will ask you to think again in this sense, remember, maybe, yes, some fantasies that gave birth to everything in this girl, how she can save these people close to her to leave. well take them away. how are you? maybe this little girl, how is she? maybe he can take on this monster.

sorry this is. well i think this she didn't perceive the moment in any other way. i remember that my mother told me alena, go and calm dad. and so i went there. talked to him. somehow she stroked him to calm him down. mom gave him some pills to make him fall asleep, but there was no threat to you. why did mom send you if dad in such a state of very angry never raised his hand to me, mom said that he loved me very much, that is, she says that she always has such a picture before her eyes, she will iron her shirt there , there me dressed, and we went for a walk. and the pope was so proud. here i go for a walk with my daughter. i have this fantasy of fear of poisoning.

either you were afraid of being poisoned, or somewhere it could somehow sound. and it seemed to me at that moment, just when you were afraid that you could poison the child with detergent, right? uh-huh now, if you imagine that it is like a spasm , this fear arose. well, here you are. yes, and so you said, i suddenly had the thought that if somewhere in the body it definitely should have been spasm. that's where it could spasm in your body right here. direct your attention right now there and try it right here, as if, well, forces to spasm this part. just notice this spasm and try to tell me that you feel good there. i want to rip out. it's the body's defense mechanism. one of the five survival instincts. it's called spitting. it will protect you. when i am

very nervous, worried, i feel sick, and this reflex begins in me and when my child, but does not want to eat something, or he says, i ate. yes, you don't want to. he starts doing this. here i have why i say that my fantasy gives me reason to believe that this is directly related to danger. so, in general, you are, as it were , used to just this danger. well, how to pull out of yourself, yes, and that means to defend yourself , you imprinted this protection into this child. that is, here you give him a cucumber, yes , suppose that he does not eat, imagine, and he is squeamish, he says, he has disgust. it's like she expresses it. and this is the absolute defense of the survival instinct, because now it is important for him to survive. and when you're angry, and i think

you're like me when the child refuses to eat an apple or a strawberry or something to try. yes, at that moment you actually have it with him. here is the same desire, it binds you very much, and at this moment, of course, you cannot do anything, because you, too, are spasmodic . the child is spasmodic. if you don't relax, he won't relax. so far you are connected so strong for another year and a half. yes i this fear of life , which you actually took into depression, because the advent of a child into your life tore it apart, all all the patterns are only possible so yes, alena, a free woman, disappeared. yes , alena's mother appeared with all these problems and so on. yes, and at this moment, as if even depression itself, in general. it is very similar to what you have, as if you feel sick and sick all the time, your head is spinning and you are trying. and this is the connection you have with the child, but here it would be worth noting a very

simple thing. try it with your spouse diversify your diet. that's just what you want other cafes know tatyana when we travel, she sometimes eats in places that i don’t have, i wouldn’t go there, i’m afraid, despite the fact that she has food selectivity. but when tanya is hungry, she will eat live cockroaches. if i have to, that is, she doesn't well, and it's actually quite so to say. not just a bold stance. and this is how my instinct works, you know, and it’s the other way around for me, as i told you. yes? that is, at me first denial comes, then i force myself. no, i'll still try once it's all there. and what to try, in the end. why did i assume that the fear of poisoning? and also the fear of poisoning the child, the fear of being poisoned itself, the fear of being poisoned, the fear of poisoning in general. yes, why did i assume you didn't agree with that fantasy, but the kid might have a fantasy that the only

way i can deal with a strong man is i can poison him. i do not insist , i suggest just thinking about this topic, because children fantasize children survive their own fantasies. when did he offend you? someone, for example, an older fantasize that you will have a superpower there, i don't know. you can fly fly away to get there sword treasurer, whatever? yes, that's why try to diversify yourself. and what about the child? alain here in general, relax. just relax and unconditionally. ah. let your child get hungry if you try to give him this one until he says. i want to eat and you offer him, for example, do not mock him, like, until you eat broccoli, like , you won’t eat, no, quietly , quietly, so that he himself understands what he needs to eat, that is, in fact. don't take food away from him. and you will notice that he is eating , watch him. watch how he will act. but at this point you

will be very scared. i assure you. and here i am telling you about it. it’s just with this fear that you just need to work, he also suggested that if you go back a little, that the state that you described, when you i was afraid for my brother because of my mother. and when you were just a baby and went to bed. curled up like this, realizing that there is some kind of selectivity in relation to you. and it’s as if this, and this is not quite omnipotence , gives the fantasy what sergei is talking about. but this e still gives some other position. and you can save. yes, they are very scary. and it's that fear that's left and that's left, the idea that you can save it has found its way out now in your relationship with the child in this way. and this very often becomes such a psycho-emotional basis for

child with allergies, because allergies that occur in children are often associated with a danger to parents when parents are afraid for the child. and accordingly, they try to secure it, so to speak, because it is not an allergy and selectivity is just a defense. that's when you start to live it calmly with this fear. yes, nausea. here i told you directly. try to catch with a groove. it has a lot of healing energy for both you and the child. that is , the problem is not with the child at all. well just you plays along. yes, he's just teasing you. you seem to have transferred this part of the symptom to him, and it is external, that's all to get rid of. you don’t have to get rid of anything, but learn to live it, learn to do very simple things, for example, as you now consciously suggested that they insist on something yes, relax. you can't and when the next time it comes up. you will tighten even more directly here you will hypertrophy, and then let go. it will still remain tense, but slowly

strain the participants. you will learn to relax this part and she will pass. well, it won't happen right away, of course. still, you need to focus on yourself, and not on the child. how correctly did sergey say to stop feeding him? in principle, my husband would somehow throw such an idea to me a couple of times, but then, apparently, he succumbed to my anxiety; it was completely new for me. you've just dug into my feelings. now here it is to practice super. and you know, try your husband, probably now will be when to watch this program. he will hate me, but you try for a couple leave them alone for days. we had such an idea put, leave you. see that men eat differently. it was a podcast triggers, and with you were his leading psychologist, psychotherapist. tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist, psychotherapist sergey on herself and alena with a story about the child's behavior of food selectivity.

podcast of the creative industry on channel one again elena kiper, roman pocket media manager, general director of the presidential fund for cultural initiations , a little more. we will now talk about necessarily that elena kiper is not only a producer, but also a music video maker. today we have a wonderful guest ilya averbukh, honored master of sports of russia , silver medalist of the olympic games in ice dancing. and now i’ll tell you how ilya loves to be represented for the last 17 years, at least the director-producer, and not only ice, but also spectacular shows are correct, absolutely everything. well hello. hello. let's go back, then it already turns out 17 years, uh, 19, probably back,

when you left, so to speak, from the profession already how many years have passed? yes, just 19 years old, 2003 . here you are leaving the profession in our romantic. representation is so it looks like he left the profession and immediately became a famous producer immediately. in general, the ice show started like this, but it was not like that, everything was absolutely not like that. eh, it really is. uh, 2003, when, uh, we ended our sports career all the time of lobachev. i accepted we were training before, the united states of america just left meccado at that moment, but i decided that we are returning home and we will build our career at home, but it was connected, first of all, with the fact that i wanted to create something of my own in 2003. we're back home. i tried to try myself. e, in several implants, anyone is already a person who has tasted the media that makes him famous, of course, i want to stay anyway.

we know, yes, we want to stay afloat, which is why, of course, so many athletes run, and on television, someone goes into politics, that's why. i came back to figure skating, but only in terms of already creating their own ice show. if now this is really an ice show, but their abundance. yes, uh, in general, some kind of ice show takes place every month. we have a lot of different projects, then at that time this genre was generally in position zero. that is, it was during the time of the soviet union. so we were not allowed to perform in western shows , then such an internal tour was organized, it was called, in general, a tour of siberia, uh, in the cities of syria, uh, the guys went like that, you know the legends that the guys, after the tour they left on wolves on the volga there is a dream. what kind of person? well it's just, probably, somewhere in the seventies . the eighties must have since the seventies after

that a huge role. although anatolyevna tarasova and igor bobrin played in the creation of the ice theater industry, and then it was. a single team e igor bobrin e ovchinnikov yuri ovchinnikov and tatyana tarasova created a single team, then it split into two theater teams and speaks bobrin, ice miniature theater and tatiana tarasova's team all the stars both teams go their own way, and i know that theaters and says beaver, in my opinion, there will soon be an anniversary of this. they were very impressed with me then the play rasputin, that is, such a deep reading, and then kittens anatolyevna such show performances. i remember her great program. at the end they have their number new york new york. uh, still in the golden top hats. and it was also all absolutely innovative. yes , the creation of not just diversite shift numbers, but the creation of performances with these

performances. tatyana anatolyevna traveled half the world. but i think somewhere. here i am now the only one here. i could be wrong at this time in the eighties everything. it stopped altogether, although anatolyevna returned. gave us victory listened to yagudin with katya gordeev gordeeva and seryozha grinkov pasha grechuk or oksana grischuk and evgeny platov marina klimova sergey ponomarenko this is all that later tarasova tatyana anatolyevna brought more and probably not everything will be and ilya kulik of course, a the genre of ice history, in general, it calmed down a little for a quiet and somehow lived like this and therefore for almost 20 years. this is how the figurative skating. in fact, it was not popular, but they sat in tournaments. here in my time, let's say it's 2000, only the grandmothers and mothers of the participants. here you can watch the championship of russia, sokolniki used to host such a palace yet

, and now, thank god, they will reconstruct it, in general, and so we are there and such is russia, other moms, dads, and here is some kind of behind the scenes such a story, and of course there's a big push. uh, here's the 1998 olympics. i’m sure you don’t even remember offhand who won there, but it was triumph olympiad. for us, the ninety -eighth year. there are no ideas. cool. yes. i have already decided what we are going to do. we then just embed our questions. i will now finish the question very quickly. and after that nozzle city - this is just the scandalous first scandalous olympics we won very few medals there was the first doping scandal there was a scandal with figure skating carefully their rulers who won olympic gold a big scandal in the press some kind of solomon's decision was made. i feel great

strength. it was necessary and the wisdom of the army there nikolaevna that the guys also went to this award, there were a lot of questions, they handed over the second gold medal. if anyone does not this is an unprecedented story of our canadians were olympic champions beyond scandals in dancing on ice. but, of course, it shook me up. it's already 2002. i remember now, we are in america, there is a body, the bridge studio in moscow, everyone is excited , everyone is discussing, of course, not some mikhalkov gets up, shouting, that's it, come back in mine, we'll cast your medals, in general, and and so on. and of course, this one, this splash interest. and with us, he still loves a little, of course, and to regret, and to those who did not guess, especially. and i, probably, could conditionally capitalize. i would say to monetize, but from the point of view of the ice show, it was a little easier for me to start, because here we came second at

the olympics. but here is the feeling that something was not finished there, and so on. i still think that everything was absolutely correct , i emphasize it directly, but i used it by creating my first ice show, which took place in novosibirsk forever. it will remember such a small ice tour of six cities. everything, it was on one enthusiasm. no one at all, uh, a priori, did not believe that it was possible at all, now, again , everyone is everywhere, and the guys were all in america in russia , they skated exclusively if, at the request of the figure skating federation , there was no commerce in this story. i say today we didn't go, because we thought that all the money was there. what is there to perform here? if you really need it, then hope that the federation will give you something more as a result of this tour in siberia, the black volga, apparently, did not acquire. no, the volga is black and didn't smell there, but i really signed commercial contracts with all the guys, that is, they were pulled out of america and pulled them out of america. it was

my victory. from a commercial point of view, we have done poorly. well, because they can't do anything. yes, what year it was just the 2003 world cup. and then here’s another 2,000 in 2004, but it didn’t go well, because the palaces seemed to be full, but uh, many employees of the palace made a lot of friends who entered through the uh service entrance and so on. in general, we could not control anything at all and it seemed like a complete palace at the box office, not a lot of things, and in general, that’s all. it was not very correct in terms of logistics, it was spent there, not this one. although it was such a youthful courage, the guys who were pulled out of america did not have such a conversation that they sat down after all this. well, after the first time and i listen somehow you know, let's go back you know absolutely right the question everything was compensated by the amazing reception of people, let's say that's all, we're still sitting in this in kemerovo, i remember how then, uh, the miners

met us, let's give these helmets. we are being transported with these lanterns. you have no idea, we get on the bus, well, we get on the bus. people come up and pick them up, the men swing them. that's how it shakes in the bus. consumption is an amazing reception, therefore the russian soul. so this is this, yes, therefore, uh, of course, uh in terms of logistics. yes, we went by bus for 600-700 km. now the roads are already much better than then, it's winter, and i, so that the guys somehow it was comfortable, but they twisted the rear seats with their hands in the part of the bus, threw mats there, bought these bags, sleeping bags. and just like that, that is, we had a part of the buses that were the first to go. and there were those behind. uh, in this bus, in general, on the mattresses, we will still have some kind of sleeping, like, and so on inside ilya verbukh felt. what are these tests for? that

is, i saw something ahead. it's very neat, you know. back well, the house is smart thinking, here's some kind of strategy in all this there was no desire to prove that i i could have had a huge desire, uh, to create something of my own, because in sports i was very crowded in this regard. basically, we ended up quite so relatively early. i was still 29. well, it could have been skating for another 4 years. well, that is, you could still pull this story. at that moment we became world champions, and in general, it was possible to fight, although it’s not a fact far, because we pressed the taste with a customary and it’s not at all a fact that we would hold out, but it was possible to continue until the last time, as many pull over to ride, then already i really i wanted to create something of my own , this was the main thing, so it gave me the strength to open offices. this is how i danced in front of you just now, also, i danced there with conditional sponsors. which banks do not exist for a long time, right? or they merged somewhere, there, in front of each other, but here i

am saying, what is a figure, what is an ice show? i'm telling you, i have. i say, well, here comes the skaters, we turn on. here we have creative industries, i turn on the lights. uh, we have a beautiful light. and here , uh, like this, but it was uh then. here you remember there was a sports channel like that. here is organized. we also dragged the tcp to the same place, novosibirsk , to show this show, that is, it was a huge job, but because to promote it, but the second was very important. whatever the cons were to pay off the guys, so here is the start of 2004 next year will be e. well, let's turn 2004 into 2003, as it were, we decided to celebrate next year. we will be celebrating 20 years. anyway, what are you doing? it is generally called an organism. there are organizational skills. not everyone has it and at some point you have to recognize them.

this is before that step, when you are already doing it, and when the guys need to prove everything, and so on. here. that's when you realized it, maybe in childhood. i don't know. i was a leader since childhood, for example, i always wanted to build a class, i ran, everyone ran after me. well, it's not like that at all. i have never been a leader. uh, in class. i have never been a leader. i even think, if, well, we can analyze a little that this certain leadership of such a champion is charisma, which is her absence, and it bothered me. well , we're crazy like a guy. well, maybe more promised to become exactly the olympic champion is nothing at all. uh, everyone's dream, that is, i conditionally assumed all the time that everything is a little better than me . especially since we have such a sport. you know, it's not that i ran a ribbon in e, but that's all, who danced with whom. well, so conditional . eh, the substance is mobile, and even when

i ask, i, frankly, just somehow know how i jumped out of order. guys, oh, they say, well, maybe, well, let's go and we went. and this is how it looks like. there is such. definition, it's called leader by necessity. that's probably close, i jumped out, then even then it seems like, well, somehow you can’t retreat. naturally, as i said, there were some financial failures. you need to enter the game, then, of course, a team is formed around you. this is a very important part. you can't go. e, there it is clear in the beginning it goes. yes, there must be an impulse, there must be a push, but if you do not have a team, if there are no people who believed in this idea, and i was very lucky in this regard, because the people with whom i started 20 years. they still work with me. this is ekaterina cyanova in the first place. uh, my project director. this is peter , she is his husband, who took over the organization, there

is some kind of contractual commercial understanding in general, because apart from courage, as i say the name. name, of course, as it were, which helped call helped open the door helped to take the first step. but behind all this there must be a process, people must understand that this is not some kind of there, but flew all together. i should have a structure there and should be, but to me, uh, it's probably different that i was interested in it. i didn't delegate it to anyone. that is, it was not. so, well, i'll come to the beginning of the walk, so that everything was open, the curtains were opened. and i already took it out. e. well done. we all went through an advertising campaign together, a targeted program where it will take place, and everything is immersed, a poster, how it will be mocked up. uh, of course, all sponsorship packages are personal meetings with each and working out with a fully understanding that when i pronounce, i understand, i see the whole company with which i will speak, there are a lot of important components, uh , that were all along the way, therefore, well,

it’s very important for me that this is really both a producer and a director, because of course, when it's just an ice show , at some point i very clearly understood that we are talking about competition, that today what, what i'm doing, i'm just an organizer who brought the guys together, well, conditionally, well, i called it the leverbuch show they covered up with their numbers. they arrived one day before the whole story. well, we divorced the council. i'm just the one who collected them, and in general, paid them money. that's it, my component. well, i organized we drove the road and ate. well that's what it is. what is it? i find this place very cramped in this one, so i quickly started thinking about how my show would be different from everything else. where should we go? how can we make it different? there was nothing. well , it would be like looking ahead. i understood that today this mechanism would see it this way and tomorrow there will be the same lyoshka there and we will gather friends, it will be that alexei will be the same antagonist. uh, to be honest,

ilya verboks is himself, because he is a revenge in front of himself. well, just from what i've heard, how the show mechanism was found . eh, at first it was. so i'm talking about analogues of the united states of america, the guys go out and roll their numbers. we are the only thing that i look for, so that not everything is dreary, there are 22 slow numbers, one is fast. well, uh, the maximum task, of course, at that moment what was focused on riding show tops, but because that was also a problem. uh, in the regions they didn’t believe, in general, that such names would come, and the skaters didn’t believe that they would be paid. and this is how they had to be connected to prove that it was not easy, as all the stars would be there. yes? well, who, and what exactly those who were announced will come to win love and understanding and the faith of the viewer's trust. it was very difficult and the trust of the guys that if i am on the schedule, this does not mean that it will be canceled tomorrow or something will happen, that yes, it will be it will be there

paid. it will happen and so on. doesn't matter. i say often programmed, but anyway. this is the core of the mechanism, but at some point i realized that this is how i collect, but i did. well, once i collected i collected i collected, so further inside, at first i went myself to put them in the numbers, that is, the choreography went. that is, at least those numbers went into them, some kind of light , story line appeared in the show, an understanding of what we are talking about , and even if the guys were invited to other shows, they could not have been there under a contract roll those numbers that he did to them. at least i was already exclusive in this. where did the knowledge of how to put numbers come from? it also did not fall, generally thanks to the first edge. as they say under a lying stone, water does not flow thanks to my stream at the ice industry. i was invited to create an ice age project that turned our lives upside down, which i will be grateful for all my life, because there i could really and on my own. now, if where i jumped out, i'm like a producer, then here

type of choreographer became. i didn't put anything on the two-year period, at all, except for the internal ones. dancing and night uh fantasies that i would turn my choreography over the world was nothing. so somehow i saw something, in the end. it still saw the averbukh show. this is who is not, before that there was a call from another channel. you know that there were two projects. e ice and i also had a meeting, but there i was offered only e, participants. as one of the members who rides with the stars and then the next day the bell rings. that's how it is for me, carte blanche. i can i of course, i didn’t speak well, i can’t understand anything, but such a chance , how can you not use it, how can it not be realized at all, and then when i entered the office in freedom, what is it in general, yes, i lost my speech and from happiness from everything . and of course, uh, let's be honest. this project is not invented, but by me, right? this is a projection that was born

in the uk but distinct. the project was that its entire internal component was really completely redesigned , created by me by my guys in my team and proposed. that is, we generally made it just about figure skating and creativity. and it uh worked you know how many ice age seasons the first season was uh called stars on ice. if anyone looks, there, we're still all in tracksuits. i am a coach. for everyone, this is the romance of two-minute numbers. uh, but that's it, then the story was born, that number with the idea. it was such a revolution. in general, then the story, then a lot appeared and of course, what is next season. i thought about where we should develop and realized that figure skating. well as it were, there was also a battle, of course, the trainers and offered the keyboard to sasha zhulin, who is very grateful. this is a very creative creative person. and a great coach, unlike me. the

one who brought up, and the olympic champions, and the secret of roma and you dreaming of nikita kotsalapov , the brilliant magnificent silver medalist of the beijing olympics, and offered sasha and then the ice age was born. the history of mentorship was born, which, in general, in fact, then appeared in many other projects. i won't talk anymore. who's there but it was an absolutely original idea that you get a mentor, you get your own team. and you lead this team, and then the first two seasons - it was our game, a real battle. we didn't look at each other's numbers. we peeped saw only e. here's the day of the shoot. here sasha had to with his team. i was on my team and, uh, then i realized that , of course, unfortunately, it’s impossible to make a direct absolute tournament, because anyway , someone gets participants who have a little more or less talent, specifically for figure skating skating. and this fight cannot be called equal, therefore, then we began to change participants in a circle.

well, in general, let’s run a story, then a bolero project was born on channel one where e, skaters generally danced with great ballerinas , a flight of ice and fire was born, where we danced one episode on the floor, another on ice, a professional cup project was born, where only professionals took part in the project and happened every episode. new change of partners. and this, by the way, was a great success was a team tournament, where the team came to the world international and we, in general, fought. in general, there was a huge number of different, naturally, the dancing on ice project. children. this project is generally absolutely russian, absolutely original, and here are the guys. there were projects for two seasons. oh no dancing on ice, glacial children, dancing glacial children 80% of the guys who were in this project. they are now all in the top, so that's it. this, of course, is on channel one. creative industry podcast on the first channel in the lineup,

podcast, paws , you can watch all episodes of the club podcast project on the website of channel one 1tv.ru. our guest is ilya averbukh, a legendary producer. uh, ice shows you're a workaholic. yes, i'm a fanatic, you probably see how such a little bit came, how we started talking about work, because this, of course, is really a matter of life. and of course, at this moment, when we create a dance, here are the participants in front of me. no, nothing else, then i'm already watching, but i try not to watch at all never, to be honest, broadcast. here he flew away. although i am present at all installations of programs. i sit in the editing room and do not edit the whole episode, but i edit every dance. that there are looking for plans, that is, even this week i still have time to do it why? because then i see that if it flew away, i see that it's bad, that i could have been here differently. it's generally a bug. it's not there at all. you can’t edit anything further, you go sublimating with yourself for several days, but you have to work further. and you think,

well, how is it on the one hand? no, well, globally, i see mistakes that i will not make next time, but like this, and there are little things and these little things, just as it applies to the internet. i don't know about social media i read reviews. yes, there will be 10,000 positive ones, but two negative ones. like his time with these two people. how do you feel about criticism on social networks ? it’s difficult for you, because you want to respond as if. you do not fully understand how to answer and dig in and leave. just in response to itself. here you are walking with this man. and if you fit in, there is, just i tried to fit in, uh in writing, then you still write, a little clumsily and dig even more, burrow into trying to explain your position, that is, here she is then, as it were, to immerse it, therefore, to be honest, i’m already like that at first it was at all when, actually, it’s like i opened pandora in general, because, well, imagine, here, again, we