uh, how many more times have three children, i have three. yes, three, here's a good adviser for you. and you will surely support me now, and little peanut has only been learning to walk for 9 months, he is just super falling. yes, what does the majority, mothers, fathers passing by, run to raise. what does the crazy father do in natalia's version ? i will help you. here i am right here. i do not stand on the sidelines, i smoke indifferently. yes, but at the same time i don’t drown in this child rather rather blow on the floor three times. here from here. they are infantile with us, yes, that we raise them natalia to approach the child, but you don’t need to directly at all, but to speak. well, there, how close are you here, as your mother did about yours, which means the youngest. come here, i 'll take you. uh-huh, and then you accept the question and to you

, like mikhail, yes, and the question is such a yup. it's not clear e nature of the association, when you talked about the father and the child, but nevertheless, they arose for me. look, your father, perhaps, also needs some kind of dialogue, some kind of your support. and i have there was a feeling that here is your dialogue. uh, maybe even internal is not literally a dialogue with the father. only daughters, and the eldest daughter at that. yes, the eldest daughter in a large family, this is such a biceps mother, yes, that is, the same uh, responsible for other children and so on. and here is your dialogue, uh, with your father, your inner one, as it seems to me, it was understood that you only as a father did not fulfill the role that in our ideal family, which you taught me, should have taken place. yes, and i

thought you didn't get it at all. dad, as an unconditionally close person to you, but here is a separate man. you really have natalya, i don’t know where you get such an ability to turn everything upside down. we have the same error. now here, look how this situation really is from the point of view of psychology. you said evgenia perceives the pope as the pope does not perceive him. as a man , a separate personality, no, evgenia just perceives in this whole situation dad as a separate person, they are like your dad? you understand, you to him climb with your moralizing, not as a dad, but as a separate peasant whom you teach how to live? am i really not teaching him how to live? i just say the opposite, so i don't know what to do. naturally, i understand that you probably don’t climb. yeah they don't ask for forgiveness. just didn't agree. yes, here,

but when will you start treating him exactly like dad? dad is a husband, mom is not a husband, mom, but dad that's when it will become easier for you. it’s hard for me to perceive him a little, directly, as such a dear beloved dad, but i don’t have to always cheat. if you are offended by him, you are completely at least inside yourself, but allow yourself this resentment, but why are you so, and force yourself to be nice and good with everyone. you are so-so. this is your strategy personality. tell here. what is especially painful and offensive to you uh-huh in this situation. well, probably, michael said to take it as a dad after all. yes, it’s difficult for me, because in fact, i seem to be already an adult. i already seem to have experienced this insult, but in childhood. basically, i was the only person. a

so, when dad he loved, he was quick-tempered, in principle, such a person, he loved to quarrel and childhood. i had a heavy one. i think from the point of view of psychological pressure, as if on me and on all other family members, but here i am the only one who could get angry with dad from nonsense. here there is some small mess, for example, or the number of cutlery, or it differs there, let's say by one. and it could turn into a terrible mat. now he has changed, by the way, now he has changed. now he is already so does not lead. after the divorce, especially he has changed. but in the meantime, i was little since i was 3 years old. it was a solid mat, that is, behind the scenes, but people cursed about it, and the outside is an ideal family, right? and here i am, that's why i ran to my mother, it seems to me that i emasculated my daughter's feeling a little, as if for him, maybe, that's why she's still so pretty. i want to be how it can be a defensive reaction in order to somehow

survive in this world to adapt or so that dad does not swear, so that no one swears, because, well, i saw that dad was swearing, and how i would argue with him, that is , i argued very actively, but now they have stopped, it happens sometimes. but look, i will give you such a task. try this. take a sheet of paper. write a letter well? where write down and the grievances that you have against him and the one that we explain, and especially those children's ones. and what would you write, for example, i would write about of course, about this obscenity is constantly very loud and the insult was big, too, my address, including in general address, well, other family members, that is, i was told that, roughly speaking, i'm a piece there. dung that can be trampled back on the ground. if anything, that is, i heard a lot of things during my childhood, it was hard. yeah , that's why i was still glad, including leaving for moscow, as if to enroll in studies. here, i understand you very much, and here i don’t even see

the point at this stage of your life, this is it, let's forgive everyone. there it is no is. so i’m sure, in fact, you didn’t completely get angry at dad. for this, yes, they didn’t allow me to live this anger at him permission. i have had such attempts, but, apparently, not to the end. and when you write, you fold this piece of paper like this. let her lie down natalya do not interrupt to lie down. then open and something else, add, then from there and only after that decide you know everything, i really, probably, would add it later. yes, it was like that, and they entered like this, and then only after that. uh-huh, decide, give it back, they drank it or not to give it to dad. this is a very difficult task. but i think it's worth it. you entered mgimo

cambridge became an excellent student, this is also to prove to dad that you are not a piece of this factory at the brain level, it seems not, but at the internal level, most likely, it is there. i think so, that is, on an internal level. i probably wanted to show, dad, well, it’s still worth watching something, but i studied at mgimo on a budget, it turns out that i entered the bachelor’s program for 4 years, and at cambridge. unfortunately, there was no opportunity for our country. that's free to study, so dad paid a million spent in total on living on on everything is for training. uh-huh, it was paid. yes? thanks dad. yes, let 's go back, then, and to the view of the situation with illegal marriage illegally, then illegally. what do you think, if dad formalizes the relationship, who will be

the heir to all his property, the first heir ? i don’t know if, god forbid, something happens to a person unexpectedly, and his will is either not written, or hidden somewhere and no one not found the main heir to all the property of a person is his official by law. well, ugh. the spouse is not children, did not know, but the spouse or spouse. you see, i don’t know, that’s where the growth comes from. or maybe dad is broadcasting you like that? yes, he said, here's something similar, but he said that i was disappointed , like in the judicial system, that they divide everything in half, it turns out, and i don't want to go through it again here, maybe he

meant it , i’m thinking now, michael got to the point so much. it is now on my site. in fact, perhaps there are such people, he protects you, perhaps so he is, well, a man. tell me yourself, so that it doesn’t sound from me, maybe dad tried to protect us in this way and is still trying. tell me, this again, maybe the pope is trying to protect us by not marrying this woman. to leave her acquired property to us, and to the woman how old well, approximately, it seems to me, she is seven years younger than my mother, but in fact, she now lives with her father with our yes, she invests in this relationship, but legally she does not protected, so the victim here is probably, but unexpectedly. yes , she may be the victim here, but, by the way, i told my dad, dad is constantly on the phone, but you are no longer with

her for 4 years. well, well, now i understand why, perhaps, he does not marry, perhaps, as you said, he is trying to protect us. well, he probably doesn’t have anything himself, so maybe he ’s not completely sure of her, but that’s okay. well, yes, by the way, he’s not completely sure about it, i don’t know, but he says, or maybe i won’t live with her at all for a while, this is called not completely sure. or maybe, why be michael that dad? possibly without even realizing it. just like mother evgenia , somewhere deep down inside, i hope that she will return and there will be a family again, as it was, maybe we can’t get into the soul of a person. just don't count on it, then you counted on it. he once said this for a day, maybe we will get married again in 50 years. that's 50 years from now. how old will they be like i think

it's a joke, huh? he says to me, why are you can't you accept it? we don't think about it. i say, well, i can not help but think the pressure, but believes can not believe in the formula of the official formula marriage is bad. i already asked the question. prove it, here it is natalya , the proof is simple. well, like all strongly religious people, and this is bad, because i believe in it, right? okay, well you're something more like a rational person. and somehow why is it bad? why is this bad proof? my mother is a medical doctor, and from childhood she , as it were, taught what i say, like, how, well, how i spend these classics, do not drink, do not smoke and have only one partner. that is, like, and if supposedly this partner is changing, then supposedly, this is bad for health. i don't know it's anyone for the health of a man who changes

partners or a woman. well, probably here we are talking about dad, who changed. well, there is, er, the only one. uh-huh, what is more or less data about what a woman can be? this is bad. uh huh, a man. it is generally polygamous by nature. uh-huh and that's scientifically sound information, specialist out there. i just don't know, that's specially just wanted u to protect us from such a scenario, therefore she said, why it is impossible to harm health. explain everything you drove me into a dead end, you know, we won. i don't question victory or anything. see what's important, yes, the more we have these fantasies that are inadequate to reality, not corresponding to reality faith as true, although once again the truth is that which corresponds to reality. you are a man. i am a woman. this corresponds to reality. but this is bad or it is impossible to harm health. yes, it is possible that life consists of this, it is better not to harm

health. but listen, we have health not only, uh, we have physical health. also mental health. yes, michael , you see, likes to draw conclusions. nothing substantiated, he says, so convincingly that people believe in it, learn, by the way, no, yes, it means if a person spends years because of a spoon. psychic, how does this affect his mental health? how does this affect the mental health of the children around? yes , it negatively influences very strongly, and mental health is a state of the nervous system, and the state of the nervous system is a state of the whole body absolutely absolutely. that's all. you see, there are no definite decisions to live together with one partner, no matter what it is good for health, but it is harmful to get divorced. yes, we just realized that both, perhaps, it turns out, they took a wider perspective, because i looked only here, as from a point of view. health, only in terms of changing partners and that's it. and you

said, but there are different ways to spoil the health of psychological health. it sometimes. this movie wears, as if even on the physical health did not reverse the math. nobody canceled it , you should not believe in it, as in the only factor that affects our health. in general, even here, i really have a completely different perspective. broad perspective, thank you very much. well, the only thing i would like you to understand is that, of course, no one here was chasing you into a corner. and no one fought with you at all, mikhail is very provocative. he is a master of provocation. you, on the contrary, feel it was admiration that mikhail is turning out, he is right, and i agree. that is, this is like a key that i am looking for myself , i am trying to find for myself why? that is. well, why is it normal that dad lives like this and i can’t find this key, and mikhail already found so many cool moments during the program that clicked. i don't have much that

clicks in my head. and right here, yes, these are his works by eugene of what came to us. i think that the most important result of our meeting today is for you. so it seems to me that this is an opportunity to think about reviewing many, many episodes of your life. just with the other side and in this, of course. with the diversity of life, we have one life, we must live it in such a way that it is interesting for you, useful, not painful. and, of course, still love, please, your loved ones, allow yourself to love them and accept mine there. here is a worldly wish, yes, and now scientific wishes yes, you don’t have to live life in such a way that, as natalya said, you can live like that. it's just that if it doesn't work out, it doesn't matter either. uh-huh yes, and the last, probably, my message that i wanted to give you for our meeting for our program is your phrase do. i can't do anything here. uh huh, uh huh. this is the phrase that most likely

hurts you. yes, yes, simply, because you think that you should do something, i absolutely think so, and this opinion is also erroneous. you are under no obligation to influence this situation. you may be able to change something to some extent. or maybe not, a coup of consciousness, simply, that is, i don’t even have to possibly worry about this and try to fix something, yes, and i’ll tell you, as an excellent student of an excellent student , it’s not at all necessary to be an excellent student in order to be happy to understand it. yes, i do it over time. i just understood. thank you it was a podcast to the psyche, like where i am a journalist natalya loseva and a clinical psychologist, candidate of psychological sciences mikhailakh. khors discussed the situation of an excellent student of a mother with many children, evgenia, who cannot establish relations with her dad and his new wife, this happens.

take care of your psyche. creative industry podcast with you elena hyper and roman pockets media manager dmitrienko and katya temnonova, an actress and an artist in general, if we have everything here , we know everything here, which means i played the guitar and played in a group 20 years ago and 3 days ago, for example, my daughter is playing for me now, too , in general , fuck, a musician there. by the way, by the way, the drifter rushes like one day really, but in fact, the most important thing is that

when you leave the guitar on stage. you are 46 years old. so these are 17 again, and lena is a producer. and we have, in general, a normal company gathered. i even now had an idea, maybe you become the host of some paw podcast podcast, because you are so perfectly offended now. great idea put the baby was over a thousand there, as they say. i think the only thing that's going to be nerve is we're going to decide which one of us is the baby. still, okay, who is the truth, glagoletian, and then we will analyze. you now we will have such a one for me already yes mediager, so that a program appears. we finally have, in which the guys themselves really ask questions to the same peers as themselves, because? well, we generally speaking a lot, in what we do not already understand so e amendment to say and our guests now, so let's try. we have to figure it out. yes, yes, finally hmm how did it happen to you? here in your beautiful

practical infancy, take and become famous throughout the country. and sometimes even beyond. yes, katyusha, i was 6 years old. i shot for magazine catalogs, and then 8 years. i went to a film school and studied, but individually from film school. well, i wanted to do more development, and then just a couple of months later it happened. my the first casting, then everything went, went. ivan walked. through uh, through unique hmm through thorny music musical. i mean, uh, i have an incredible conversation partner for real, because we were sitting in the dressing room. now, uh, incredibly modest, first of all, girls, which is rarely proportional to famous actresses and actors. this is probably the glorious truth. here i just want. give credit for such a wonderful companion. and

about me, you know, i'm a guy grown on cedar cones. i am from the city of krasnoyarsk desperate life hatch. i just loved what i do, probably, and that's the whole point. i believe that truly, if you are engaged in a business that you sincerely love, you will definitely succeed. it just doesn't happen right away. i also didn’t succeed right away, if i’m 7 years old, and all the closed doors unconsciously from 13 consciously, so i fought. and at the age of 15 he came out under what circumstances, and hmm , uncle zhenya orlov gave me this, well, a well-known producer. he would be the producer of the fifth swindlers. uh, plumping cream, well, a lot of whom this creative dad brought to the stage for many the truth. before that, my dad always told me to pick up a guitar. i something, well, do not be silent, the child was and all that. and now dr. zhenya gives me a guitar. i had no options, do not teach. go play.

of course, then i understood, in general, why didn’t i pick it up before, dad said he spoke he spoke, but in the end my uncle didn’t, and he was delighted, but at first he was in vocals after all, yes, that is, first there was vocals in general, he has been with me since i was three years old. that's where the competition started. some have been there for only six or seven years. here, well, there from five, maybe some kind of children's competitions in general. by the way, how do you like vanya on creativity? i have a favorite vanina's song this is venus jupiter it's very cool song, like many others, but it's a super hit, of course, yes, it was this song that made you famous. yes, that is in theory. uh, before that , you invested a lot in your studies, right? or how is it, how is it? that is, you feel that you are investing in your studies. this is generally a sore subject. i'm not me, if you're looking at what study are you talking about, in general, okay, well, it's like entertainment self-development. for me it was a hobby. i never in musical schools anywhere in general i was engaged only

in a vocal, a guitar a piano. i've always found a solution for myself somehow. i mastered how to learn to play the guitar in general in a month and a half. that is, they told me that it was like super fast in general, i already took this bar in a month and a half from someone there. well, like after six months, it doesn’t work out there. here is the first song that we remember the eighth grader was it all. something like this i, in my opinion, sang the very first song. but there , nevertheless, self-development prevailed for me. i always, uh, wanted to develop myself, that is, i could never play classics there or something else, although i respect it very much, and everything is ahead of the classics, and that is, well, it’s just that you yourself have never been interested in how it is - to learn how to play. i always wanted more modern, but no one taught modern. so i myself started like this, of course, katya, what technique do you prefer? what school? what? yes? in which way to develop? well, of course, the actress wants to go there, maybe in the theater. well,

in general, i want a movie, probably, i prefer a movie set, a camera camera - this is my best friend. is that how you feel? well, i don't know, that's how it feels. it's like i'm looking at the camera the camera is my best friend. it's just kind of comfortable. yes, the camera loves the camera. this is the most important thing in general. yes, here is the first casting. that's where a lot of people didn't bother you. everyone looks demand. say something, yes i will say, yes i will say, say say, a hero is born inside you. that's how you feel when you start to, uh, immerse yourself in the character that you need to play, in general, i immerse myself in the character. i'll read the script first. and i need to understand my hero. but then just try to get used to the role. i get it almost immediately. that is okay, well, the camera. it's different, well, a person can be able to play and bake, but gets into the frame and everything is lost, for example, and

vice versa, respectively, yes, you can do everything, well, conditionally ivanov is on camera on camera. on the camera and everything is fine, and the camera also loves and in general, everything is comfortable , of course, and this is to cool down the profession in general, well, as it were, how can it be in the world perfectly in this how can you go into the frame or be ready for it, so say, like you've been going to this all your life, a million people come. i'm talking about what is personally about us. we, we worked for this, and that's it, there is our childhood and all that. i am sure that many will say that, like, that katya is there, like, and now there is, like , virginity going on there, but i will say that when she it works so much, in childhood there isn’t any, in general, that is, like, she ’ll take you away from her, as if i’m sure that there are friends there, how much she works. i'm sure it works a lot. about what adults say there does not work so much. how many children are included, well, there are no friends, some friends live. it's natural, of course, it's some kind of repercussions of the old show business. here, in short, you know in

our old that there were no friends there are friends, of course i have a lot of friends. which my family supports me, so my family is your friends. yes, of course, dad , mom, brother. yes, i still have friends, of course, you know, well, from the old show business and old in the industry. sometimes they say it's better not to tell anyone. what are you going to do and only then when gop e, then let everyone see. here you say not to jinx it , so that the enemies do not envy, but relatives, to not worry much, you will do something, something is wrong. here's how close it is to you. here, what do you think about it? no, i'm the opposite, i'm still the one adviser. i always consult with my mother, that is, like, i have some kind of story. and if i'm in doubt about something, i'll always come up, i'll ask, like, bye. what do you think it's all about doing it? should i be doing this? i have an excellent team, from which i generally advise on everything , that is, which, in principle, is aware of everything that we will do, because somehow you have to offer. we

are creative together there, that is, i work in a team, i don’t have any specific personal there are separate e projects there, like, i don’t hide anything from the guys. on the contrary, we do everything together. here, but of course there e other people. but it's me, and as if i don't have to say, no one asks, like there asks. what plans for the future type of live. i say there, well, concerts and all that about concerts, i’m not afraid to say, that is, it turns out to be a family, your team, the main and first, yes, that is, i recently watched a film about a documentary about air travel or what she has right mom dad, brother, it's her like with me. these are the people who are with you initially. that is, like mom, let's say i was invested. in general, in principle, i am here thanks to you . that is, if she had not sent me to the theater there, there would not have been money for this theater and all that, as it turned out. and by the way, i also studied there for 9 years, but listen, how do you feel about the fact that a huge number of parents for the last, probably 10-15. they constantly treat

children, place them in various circles, many of them go five times a day. six and they don't have. personal life in general, and the child must, as it were, choose for himself what he wants to do. that is, for example, i want to sing. sing, i want to draw, let him go to draw, that is, do not. somehow, all the time, the child back and forth, back and forth, you can, as it were, ask me. whatever you want, he will answer anything and everything. maybe that's how it felt. you are the impulse. here, i'm very artistic for the first time. here i am in commercials. here's how it happened. i 've been in commercials. and we mom says to me, why don't you act in films? well here we are such circumstances, indeed. why aren't we filming? and so we went to the agency and castings, then, uh, cinema, and that's it, somehow it all ended. this is all the movement with circles for me. a little bit wrong, well, just

a little bit at all. i agree, uh, with the words about the fact that parents should, how to listen to the child, but it was just a little me. so i was just too young to be aware of my wants and needs. yes, and my parents, as it were, they, on the contrary, sent me there there, yes they just helped me. if you decide on your own, i came to you like this, but i want to go to football and come to football. my dad used to buy all the uniforms and equipment for me. actually i came hit. i really came to football , hit my knee and didn’t go there again, and i bought boots in the form of the coolest games of my dad. i want boots only in the bath. you wanted to take two classes. so no. dad, i won't go, fuck it. okay take it. that's how i kept going. one lesson and everything went to hockey went to swimming to swimming. seriously engaged for a long time, which i also did for 2 years, that there was still basketball there. and so, and the theater was always and when the theater did not get tired. that's where i stayed. well, although you still spilled there for swimming

, it’s eternal that you that is, the theater for swimming from swimming to teach lessons to sleep and to school, but here there is, personal life, i don’t understand where do you lose these 15 minutes between swimming and all my settings. what are you, an eternity? well, well , one producer and the old one, so to speak, and the old guard of producers told me about children, that at some point they, in general, demolishes the tower so, in general, on the basis of greatness itself, and they turn into stars in the worst sense of the word, that is , these whims, well, what victims, what they suffer. well, we don't have a type. well, who knows, i think, i think that we are not victims, maybe it’s because you have been walking since these three years and slowly, with small small boards, small boards, what you need to tell the child to go to some i didn’t lose myself for a moment, i didn’t say, i’m a star mom, leave us like a circle of moms, you ask tips take your mother to the camera, please, years,

i am conscious. well, it wasn’t such that, oh, i catch myself on the fact that i have now suffered. and of course it was. well, what is it at all, and i believe that through this is not something that everyone goes through. everyone should go through this, because this is such a topic as which you are experiencing next to you there are people who move you away from this. that is, in my opinion, she immediately gave foam, damn it, it was probably 13 years old, even venus peter didn’t come out. it's still, well, it wasn't anywhere at all, and i was now. for those who you are still the main ones, these are the stages of establishing an identity. that's 14 years old. it ’s just that i was such a child, in general, and i recorded it for you with a camera, and i got a cover of a lot of views on the well-known social network. and here i thought there, that 's all, like, so i grabbed the bird by the tail in general, and then my mother immediately gave pendles to the side with them. i remember this period very well.

it doesn't manifest itself in the fact that you go there, like you want to be so super cool. you're normal, you're just everything for me. appears to the family. you start with loved ones. you start neglecting your relationship with them. that's the saddest thing about it, because uh, there are people around, but there's like your family. and so, when you start to communicate , they put yourself in some moments above them, then this is very bad. here and here. when i turn around, i understand that, well, like, i know all aspects of this disease, no matter how much you want to return to it. i had a feeling. well, i don’t know, i really don’t care about fame now, because i’m learning not to give children, what year. i love to study there, that's something new for me to learn there, to try some new cuisine to ride. uh, they meet new people in different cities of the country. this is the expansion of horizons. uh-huh, but your parents expected that you would appear with them, in general , the development of events is different, that is, here she

herself knows everything that she wants. yes, and i think the parents are very proud simply. well, this is generally true, well, an independent child at that age. this is a very cool conductor. here she is with me all the time. she is with me in some film expeditions on tests, even here the test itself, when it comes, we sit, my mother and i we analyze the heroine there, so to speak, here is a live roll, of course, herself, and here is an analysis of personality. character and everything that is needed here character personality. that's all to understand. your heroine circled. of course, i've been on all billboard posters lately, yes, which are just that, as if i were at that age, then you play someone. well, here we are, in fact, and there wasn’t much to play, absolutely i am that naughty girl such a fun girl. i am she, that is, i have absolutely nothing to play. that is, i

am me, but there are no gadgets at all, for example, in this world in which you play. it was even good. this is very important, but even good. it's even good. that is, like these games, these are all all sorts, but the indians. here we played. it's all sorts of indians we went there to communicate, that is, this is the most important communication. it’s not these people who sit on the phone like this, and most importantly , communicate, so it can take away from all gadgets a person will clap their hands. yes i am it's better to do it. it's like watching and then listening. well, i think that, probably, in children. i think i should take the phone, i need to give free rein. i don't have a free phone. my phone was taken from me. in short, i was punished for this. i was taken away by touch-screens and given push-buttons. this was the top punishment for me, because it was a very hard time for me. in short, i myself, well

, probably, at 16, i bought myself a push-button telephone and removed the sensor, because, well, someone is writing there. she push-button only calls you open it, and i just walked with him for weeks. i cleared myself mentally so much, it just became easier for me, because it was so convenient for you to just call. you can incoming and outgoing. well, i mean, it's really great. cool. here but when i was little, for me, it was a computer punishment, i was not allowed to play, but i was not applied there was not much. it's just that if i played the computer, then i didn't do my homework. it was very bad, of course, now there will be recognition. i have never played in my life, not one. computer game true me i know the existence, but i am so afraid that they will eat away from me, the time that should have been spent on completely different things in general, and i am afraid to leave. here in this alien reality. uh, well, because abaya's life in which adults' fears are more serious than those of children. god, you are afraid of my holiday to go into a parallel reality in general, but listen, what do you think about us all going into parallel reality in general, well, in the future, in fact, it will not be very good, because you need to live in the present. that's

the fact that he did not think there. there's more in the past was about what will be in the future no need to live in the present just now. lena and i had a very serious discussion on this topic, in general there is a fairly well-known science fiction writer who believes that 40% of humanity are ready to leave and in general, yes man, wow. they kind of interact there, they really go to feed them. in general, there was some kind of very funny, uh, surreal, it was just there, it seemed like a story. but this, of course, is, uh, a terrible thing. i do not consider anything bad that we have, uh, everything evolves. and that we are developing technology, all that. this is very cool. but of course, it's too much with what's out there, like people stop talking. they are calling. how to speak. it's generally sad. all. all

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