engineering technology is actually a very interesting occupation, and even those who will be selected. here, try it out, because it's, well, it's cool, especially. so i imagined i was on energy, but here you are flying into space, uh, and we, uh, well, also the energy of the legs of the enterprise are preparing for this flight, and in 2 weeks, together with the soup, we are working out training for the flight of the soyuz spacecraft . team. here is the thing. uh, i was a test crew and a test crew and interacted. here with your own instructors complexes, yes, who will then communicate directly with you. and so, in fact, he worked out all the operations. the ship of what makes it all staffs. and we ourselves also created contingencies for men. such are prepared. how are you? we 'll come up with something ourselves. well, that is, soup, of course, there is a failure of the system of behavior and type of error, and so on. i thought, now, everything seems to have passed, everything seems to be over. i looked, i understood, uh

, well, i didn’t pass on health, but it’s all the same what kind of plast e, it was interesting work, so it ’s not in vain, even if you fail to pass in the selections, it will all be only a plus, only in favor. we continue our conversation with the popularizer of cosmonautics ilya ovchinnikov and i anton shklarov, but everyone knows, of course, roskosmos, that is, the organization where people work, which. well , roskosmos is actually the top of the corporation that unites. yes, in general, it now occupies only two floors in one small building and not many people work. in the excavation itself, in general, under roskosmos, that is, a huge number of dozens of enterprises of large enterprises, which employs tens of thousands of people, i don’t remember, there this figure needs more than 15,000, even therefore, besides roscosmos, where else can you work? uh, yes, and maybe some specific businesses. listen to this

, well, apart from energy, yes, it turns out that we have a lot, there are a lot of enterprises in the moscow region, firstly, on the space website, there is a key acid portal, there is. uh, let's say the map of enterprises is a map of the specialty in russia, the moscow region , flight, uh, there are institutes in novosibirsk , krasnoyarsk ses reshetnev, where they do it satellites will be engaged in the samara sphere project by the way, i forgot to say about samara university, which is also a legendary university in general, and by the way, they are doing a very cool satellite competition called there, too, and kids, too, from the fifth grade. there, in principle, samara university and roskosmos are also frequent in this. here are some other enterprises in st. petersburg. yes, respectively arsenal snow. tc robotics which does the same for luxury. there is an enterprise in kazan. well, in general , it turns out like this, uh, perm voronezh voronezh plant. oh yes, in principle on the site

in general everything is there. so i've already named, there's even more than half. that is, it is not only energy. it's not only hruniv. it's still like this, yes zinc zinc, by the way, zinc here. um, hmm, i don't know, i was offended. if i worked in zinc, everyone is talking about rockets, everyone is talking about satellites, but no, but no one is talking about infrastructure. but you need to build a spaceport. and you need to serve. they need to create ground complexes. and this zinc is engaged in this, there are enterprises that are not launch complexes. it is in moscow and in that including, in my opinion, there are some branches there, and kb motor, which is just these who love huge moving pieces of cranes, there are service farms, these are them, well, the institute of medical biological problems, including, yes, how many biologists are there and there doctors, research scientists there and, accordingly, who deal not only with astronauts, but also with plants and animals, also aviation

space medicine. there are enterprises there, by the way, a star, which, yes, too, as well as space suits for space. and so is this too. eh, separate. uh, the direction of aviation. this ejection seats. it's true. in fact, it turns out that you can try yourself in any profession, that is, you can be a rocket scientist by launching rockets? i realized that it's not mine. well, that is, so i launched it with me , well, i liked satellites more and i liked manned astronautics, and i went to energy in my second year, i realized that this was interesting to me, i didn’t regret it, someone likes to deal with antenna complexes. and now it turns out such a huge spectrum in general . choose my ship, it seems, yes, it was just that it was generally legendary, too, i am at baikonur was. just before the starting checks are final, that is, in your training there were two try-on trainings, yes, in the ship and we climbed in the beginning, checked the initial state of the ship before your work,

and then you left. we again checked everything that you heard your own. yes, that's all, that is, there, basically, of course. eh, baikonur guys a. we went there as a test case, of course, it was a good feeling, especially when it was the same ship. korolev experienced when there are no chairs, when there are no equipment and you are lying at night on tests and there are clicks here you are listening to, he is alive. well, he's just a living ship. he communicates with you. and you are professionals, of course, opa didn’t click there, and like, so, uh, so you need to issue a remark, and it should turn on. there is a relay valve or something else, and now, when you are in the ship one on one with it. it's just an incredible feeling. and so, when the ship is flying, you are there, everything is successful with you everything has flown. we are like that. okay, not a word. okay merit too my minimum. they do everything there. in fact, those who collect these testers are generally a gigantic job,

they worked there for nine years. i am 9 years old, which was the most interesting thing here. uh, this is a ship test. and here is the accompaniment when you sit like the crew. and you stand out. well, the teams communicate with the soup, just like an adult. i'm here for a moment. i just when you sit. there the third hour of the night you just forget that you are on the ground. and now it was legendary and , accordingly, naturally, when you enter a combat ship, you carefully all there in hop-hop climbed. and most importantly, i'm so big, but i realized that my my my flexibility. she knows no boundaries. well, that is, i managed to climb without breaking, and how to complete tasks. this is also very important. eh, so do not be afraid, in short, no internal restrictions there. that is, do what you like, in short, well, you have such a great experience and teacher mentor, what did you want to say to our young viewers. well , in order for them to orient themselves precisely to the cosmic e orientation, so that they do not

lost somewhere in the cosmic myths. yes, that is, you need to first learn to check the information. this is generally for all parents and so on, because it happens that you post something. here it is, the event is pouring in the comments. yes, this is for the rich to pay for it there. need money back and forth, don't believe it. that is, take it. check. call now there are social networks where you can ask any person through two handshakes, this is the first second , i really want children who are interested to try to talk with their parents more often explain what they want. eh, even in terms of space. yes, not all parents may be clear, the prospect of astronautics. eh, and just to be clear. let just the children at school try to communicate with the astronauts and communicate with specialists. that is, do not be afraid of this, because often parents are very often hostages of thinking. children are hostages of their parents' thinking about some things and have a child. as a result, it cannot

escape from the fist in order to work in space. that's the most important thing to be interested in a lot of information. participate try lose. well, how would it be banal studied. just even participate, stay together . sit how the winners assemble the satellite, how the antenna assembles the winners and look to say, so next time i will come, i will win and i will do better than they do. well, that's what man will be doing in space in 50 years. i really wanted it to be such a manned expedition. uh, moon mars venus, that is, such a message has already been established. i don't really believe in expansion, like where the resettlement is. it seems to me that our it's still the earth. uh, so good that uh people need to come back to exchange experiences. that is, as the testers

flew into space, they returned and said, what comments did better. it seems to me that we need this kind of logistics in order to exchange. well, i think that in order for the cosmos to help the world, that is, to help the earth, and i think that in 50 years. maybe there is some new round of the space age, uh, and our space will help the earth more in terms of developing and reproducing resources, uh, and assistance to the people. something like this, probably, well, i hope that our today's conversation about space education will help the younger generation find themselves and the future to work for the benefit of their country in the space industry . scalers. and this is a podcast of space stories , you can watch all episodes of the podcast lab project on the website of channel one odin tv

dot ru this podcast is a must-read. i am aglaya na batnikova, director writer, today my guest is children's writer sofia remiss and writer ivan shepnyagov. we will discuss the work of the nasal dragoon classic in children's literature. nosov dragunsky can be said to have become the founders of the realistic genre of children's prose, what is their innovation. actually, probably, it is precisely in the fact that this is the world of realistic childhood. it was created among the first that's it by this writer. both we and the dragoons have a lot of humor, then why in children's literature, no matter how strangely missing. although it would seem for

children. it's supposed to be all fun, but unfortunately it's usually fantasy. usually these are some kind of fairy tales of the history of countries and travel adventures, there is always something magic, and in the realistic stories of both dragoon and emosovo there was something in what the children themselves see there, let's say, some kind of revived hat, yes, or there is a firefly that is like magical piece of something magical glows. yes? that is, this is the magic that exists in our real life, which i need a special one to invent it simply you have to see and capture it, but it seems to me that they take some fragment of reality, yes, and with their focus, well, usually, if everyday situations, they see it as magical adventures. we can say, they only enhance, let's say, all the effects. and so, uh, for example, in the story of dragunsky if i were an adult, but a very simple situation is taken, the child imagines what would

happen if he were an adult, and his adult environment was e all children and, accordingly, he would control them and he plays such a truly sadistic picture in which this very funny story. it is very small straight to all its turn to recommend to read. he just takes the usual phrases that parents use in ordinary situations and shifts them, as it were, turns the situation around. yes, when grandma comes, supposedly yes, yes, yes, yes. oh, where did our granny go? something the neck is wet, covered in mud. that is, this is all really what we say parents, say to children, and we learn in the network. yes, we know it all, so it 's combined it's funny, because it's true, because we know it all, and, as it were a slight exaggeration gives this comic effect, and indeed we have very, very funny stories in the dragonian.

vanya, please tell me, what do you think, what is the difference between the worlds of the nose and the dragoon one nikolai nosov worked in the forties yes, viktor dragunsky is already the sixties a little later, but there are some features of the world of each and now. fundamentally different yes, nosov is very sad, and dragunsky is very funny, but i can explain, when i was preparing to re-read, i thought that i had not read it. to me need to read it again. i was surprised to find. well, i do have such a feature. i constantly have some phrases from the literature that i read when i was 5 years old spinning in my head. so i memorized three words, and they are spinning with me all my life. i don’t remember where it came from, it just means i was hooked and one of these phrases was spinning in my head, it was bitter porridge, not salty. i know where it comes from. i began to prepare to re-read how it all turned out in this

way. it turned out that it turns out, of course, that's all. i have read this many times. i just carefully forgot how i forgot. well, in principle, i tried to forget my childhood, so i forgot children's books precisely for this reason. i came to this that i tried to forget. because he is very similar to my childhood, and this makes me sad, but dragunskaya tried to forget, because he is very different from my forest, and this is also sad. it's enviable in this world the difference, in principle, yes, listen well, tell me about this story mishkina. porridge nose is absolutely my childhood is just exactly, so i'm so, well, i'm afraid of it, yes, there are 2 children day at the dacha and left for something to eat, but only i was with us, too, sonya. i kept saying that this is it. it looks like this is my story. and i didn’t know what it was about, because i forgot it was turned off. only there. they catch as soon as we had yorkshiremen. well, the necks of the little ones were fried first to cook porridge, they end up not trying to go to

the wells at night. it'll get the drowned kettle. yes, i’ll clarify, they didn’t drown themselves, they didn’t drown themselves, then they burn these minnows with water, they don’t have to put out the fire. they wait for the oil to burn out that is the actual situation. they’re not even in that. in these details , what’s there, well, neighbors, if there was some kind of fire right here, she probably would. exactly, the children are alone, this is the situation when you are left alone. well, here's one at home, yes, a classic situation. this is a very cool situation for any child for a child who is constantly surrounded by adults, loving, conscious , responsible adults, he is thrilled once a year to be left alone to burn some kind of oil there. and this is such. and when it is, in principle, for you norm, that is, when not the norm becomes the norm, it's sad, it turns out such a world of children, which is cut off from the adult. and this is the world of a lonely gloomy child. why is it

gloomy? it seems personal to me, but he shouldn’t have such a dragoon, as he shouldn’t have a nose, but that's the point, so it's sad. dragunsky is probably also closer to me. that's because a for me , all the same, the connection is a little man. e according to the age of a small and a large adult. this is also an important part of my life. i just, rather, she grew up, like a child from dragunsky's stories in a loving family, but i have emotional ones, i was left without a father early. but i even now, uh, now i remember these relations of dragunsky's parents about this a lot, in fact. we can say that dragunsky tells this is such a kind of declaration of love to his wife, and the mother of the hero. yes, to deniska’s mother, because there is a constant, that is, a story about how beautiful she is, that my mother is the most beautiful in the class, how she is such a knightly dedication,

that deniskins talks about knightly dedication to mom, huh? here and there, of course, the family is much more prosperous and not even in the sense of some sort of financial circumstances. just by virtue of what is felt there, this love, mom and dad like that. caring for caring, let's say more caring for each other, which simply automatically turns on is transferred to the child, because there are parents who, with the birth of their child. uh, let's just say the personal relationship didn't end like it sometimes does? yes, on the contrary, they found some new one. e breath, that is, there dad is in love with mom. mom is in love with dad and child. it feels very good, because when he comes to the house, in some stories, some ladies, who can be said to incite papa. here he is trying to give him something there. there, here in the story, we don’t want to kill a horse, but the child feels it very well and tries to resist all sorts of things. he

understands, he feels these relations of parents. he is such a sensitive child, maybe just because he has a fairly prosperous rational. yes, yes sony you are the author of a rather famous series book notes. there is no gosh. please tell me, can you call viktor dragunsky your teacher in the literary sense, did you focus on deniska's stories? it seems to me that there is something similar in the structure and there is a lot of similarity in the approach, indeed. well this is an amazing story. i myself noticed this only when they began to tell me about it, when the book had already been published, apparently this is the case when some kind of work goes so deep into you in childhood that you don’t even realize that they already live in you, i.e. special. i certainly don't wrote differently. well, probably a lot turned out that way, but in my opinion you have in common with the dragoon that we see the life of adults, through the life of a child. that is, we read situations in the family, well

, relationships, we all read some problems of adults, that is, they are shown through children's focus through the optics of a child, but at the same time we recognize them. we read them and it turns out that the child is united in a single system with his parents. and they have a kind of such a common and such a reality, such a curious sometimes touching sometimes funny life. and well, it seems to me that this technique, probably, i generally like books that adult children can read. this is a separate type of book and marshak spoke about children's poetry, but it seems to me that this can be attributed to prose that examples of children's poems are checked twice by a child and an adult with good taste with a delicate taste, if only an adult likes these elements, these are not children's poetry. if only a child likes , and these are not hack-work poems, and these are not exactly quotes, but it seems to me that he asks, this is also applicable and this world with some easter eggs for adults. eh, subtle smart

interesting. this is something that, of course, i very, very, very appreciate in dorogonsky. it's great. vanya here you are an adult writer, but at the same time, i know that you, sophie , have now written a book for children about urban teenagers together. period tell a whether an adult can write or switch here to a children's writer format, how difficult it is. what is the feature? what is the difference between an adult writer and a child writer, you went through both experiences a writer, maybe a child in including, if he had a happy childhood, and if he had a childhood that was not very sad, then let him write better or only for adults, so i would separate us sophia, and well, in the sense, that's how i am a child and adults. that's how difficult it was to work on this nursery. the most difficult thing was work and life. yes, i was afraid. just every word of every word. i was afraid, because i will pass on

my childhood there, and it’s impossible to do so, but this is a sad, sad look. well, i also have a certain, perhaps, blinders. here is sony explain that it’s not here, it’s probably necessary be afraid of sad, yes, in the nursery, well, dear, he said a lot of sad ones, they are there. you also enjoy this sadness. i mean, like nosov has two children. they dropped everything into the well, and then they burned the last ice and were left alone at night, sadder. yes, there to one tells the story the boy's cucumbers for mom, stole cucumbers, brings cucumbers to mom. here's how if deniska rather, dragunsky brought cucumbers to his mother. mom would have burst into tears . it's from happiness, yes, and mom from nosov's story says where she got the cucumbers. he says, well in someone else's garden. she says go and bring back the cucumbers. he says there is an uncle boy.

here, he was already chasing. and what does mom say to that? here is the mother from the story of the nose. yes , it would be better for me to have no son at all than to have a son of a thief. that is, she sends the child back to this so much gun runs. yes, well , this is ba labanov for children simply. well, i don't know which is worse.