yes, yes, well, in short, in this very period of recent years. and just the same, we began to come to the fact that we were moving away from this style, and instead of this, uh, our experiments went aside. here is the shadow of a clown, there are already some there, such as songs went home to paris. yes, but more like a movie or a theater of the demon, too, m-m some kind of symbolism started the site and so on. so, objectively speaking, these albums did not become the most successful, because people still loved the forester, there was the sorcerer's doll, they loved rum. uh, that's the thing memories were love reflection. yes, that's what people still loved, yes, and we are now from the position of time. i understand perfectly, this is cool. and this is not so much. mishim was in a state close to death from time to time and still

, in the end, this didn’t tell him anything, unfortunately, he had a lot of instructions. what to do after his death? is it so? i didn't really like this topic. uh, when did he pick up? well, that is, there was such a moment when i said what i was saying, listen , let me say something, but how to be, yes, and then we argued over the amount of mold in the album. he then says, “listen, well, let's do 20. well, as before, but the guys won't have time to prepare. time is not a car. tours, tours, tours, we will make 20 songs, but, well , if they are raw, we need to reduce the number of songs, and here we get two authors. and how do you set it all up? and he's like, yeah, wait. that is, i have my own there, well, as it were, the word

has its own mission. yes, well, figuratively speaking, yes, he explained it there in his own words, but then, when i chik, you already have your topic and, uh, lay it out, i say, you hear, tie it up. i'm talking to your health. you well, it's it's the other guys also said so, that hmm he until the last moment, a produced such. well, due to this charisma of theirs. yes, he did not like to appear weak in front of friends in front of colleagues. yes hmm that's his mother saw the weak. lyokha ha, here, and we saw him weak. well, they saw of course, but he even tried in this state. here, in short, this is the most. well, these are the things he said, well then, i didn’t take all these things seriously. and now they're, well, becoming as if relevant and i perfectly understand that,

and he basically said everything he wanted. here, ah, but he said, this is then what exactly, well, they discussed a lot. that's exactly his problem. and there was a lot of discussion. i also wanted to know for that period. hmm well, somehow rammstein with the german language went wild all over the world. i say, here we are the king and the jester. we can gasp for the whole world with the russian language, but right now it’s necessary to put the very same dream wrong, yes, the coolest dream. and what could be cooler? a-a promote russian team for the whole of this entire global industry is your dream, and his is another. but no. well, as much as he would like, but the fact is that he generally adored, especially english rock. he dreamed of being there. well, in the sense of hanging out well. well, well, just these are the problems, they

slowed down many such things. well, because and who and who would us. well, let's say invite how groups develop in the international market. invite the band to an international festival. well i once heard that pop. artists invite from russia at the rock festival and foreign, and there is the king and the jester e, please, we'll tear the whole hall there. here she does not make such proposals to us. and what is missing in the prince group now in order to advance at the world level? well , because now we are more engaged in the russian audience, so, developing here, firstly, uh, as i said the old fairy tale, huh? secondly, creating, and new songs i am engaged in

creativity. mm, visualizing the songs on the screens. i mean, i'm uh, i'm studying 3d graphics and i do installations at concerts uh-huh and i also plan to make clips in this style. that is, i now have a lot of work here at the base. our russian-speaking audience, so i'm not these, no matter how i put world plans with the prince. what kind of style previously, i did not like to hang any labels on myself, i did not like micah, he was cut there for well, his ideology. i supported him in this regard. yes, even now i support his ideological line, but for myself i can say that i don’t care at all. and what style me our group will be counted? and that is, it is not so important, still no. now these movements are musical. yes, here before, for example, tanks united. uh, like punk metalheads, like

metalheads, and at the moment, in fact, hmm, there are no such movements, that is, i can play the bank. i can play rocky there, i don't know if i'll play reggae, you know, blurry. i can play folk. we have folk in our work, that is, i hmm interact with various music. the problematic that i like and everyone album can be interpreted in different ways, for example, i have clearly punk songs. yes, i have rock ballads, that is, and this is a completely different style that has nothing to do with punk rock. but this but all this is united by one single word. this is rock music. that's all. here i have rock music, and the styles are the direction of each song, maybe in its own particular style. i already asked, but, nevertheless, it's still insanely interesting how you write a song, how inspiration comes, how a song comes to mind, that first the lyrics the melody is different, because each song has its own story, sometimes there are similar stories , there are completely unique stories, and

sometimes there is a song. you can’t even remember and describe how it was written, sometimes it’s easy. for example, i remember. how the song rum was written i came up with the phrase scream is like thunder. give people roma and that's it. i thought that this phrase was somehow too naive, but then she somehow stuck to me, and then from there the plot began to spin adele about what adele but this is more under the impression of the film effect butterflies hmm when he replays the same circumstances in the hotel, he does too, and he has such magic clock, he overtakes the clock in the opposite direction, plays episodes. uh, still and still nothing adds up adele's song knyaz podkaslab 20 years later

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the future will remain the same as before.

this is a podcast 20 years later and my guest andrey knyazev and if you could rewind your time 20 years ago, if you could meet yourself, so that you could say to yourself, maybe what a mistake. you would save yourself, yes, and i can’t reason like that, because i can now do what i planned, then this is the line between ah, that age and the current one, i keep this line, this teleport to the past . and i do a lot of what i conceived then earlier conceived uh hmm well that's like what's going to grab people's attention is happening. that

is what i wanted to get. the only thing that went a little wrong. uh, that's how we missed each other. eh, in the king jester. yes, by the way, i didn’t finish at the same time that, but the concept was already changing. and then, micah, when he fell in love with his one, after that, i already had a clear understanding that we are moving from experiments in texts and in music, too, let’s say that i’m no longer interested in that and that path. that is, i already see, you know the sign is a brick, that is, everything, so i enter there, and i lose myself there. that's the way i saw it, that's why, naturally. i have already begun e fully began to implement the transition. and the courts. and why did i officially leave the composition of the jester king. and although it would be possible not to do this, right? because at that time, uh, no one believed in the seriousness of my project. and as

a result, uh, they started, including the concert organizers. now the prince, there he will go wild with his prince and return to the king and the jester, and so everyone thought, and therefore i had to somehow, or something, to explain to people that yes. no. so, i seriously began to work, that is, i began to prove. well, yes, yes, yes, i have everything all mine. hmm, five or six years of our recovery. it was solid evidence. well, the truth is sometimes they tell me that you travel at the expense of the king of the state. it’s funny to me there, because hmm , in such cases i answer that if you leave, i drove and they drive. yes, i'm leaving, i'm stopping by, that is, yes. funny well, in fact, as i said with one foot, there is this world. and that is, it’s not that it’s not that i pulled him, and this world itself pulls me, that is. all m-m we are tied everything he is and you are well, no. well i, well,

how am i. well, here, i am a pot falcon, he gave all his strength to this world. it's like saying, uh, on the birth of our mutual-our relationship. he was just a fan, that is, texts. and maybe if the pot also saw the stop sign, the same brick at the front of the musical. here, he doesn't have it. it was his idea. there he did not have a brick, he had a green light, plus, he still sees new prospects in this development. just see we are we don't know how it would turn out in the future . it is quite possible that the next step, he would start to put a new project. at the same time, by the way, the tour of the shutaba king has decreased. and perhaps they would then a-a be formed on the basis of some large stadiums of point concerts, and the fans have already calmed down about the unification, they are no longer waiting for the unification. yes, the kings something so the king and the jester, he can not unite fur no, it's clear and the rest, and the rest all have

their own activities. you know it's so with the lord. why don't you guys get together? well, when you get together, they, uh, that is, here i have my own group. we have been sitting for a long time, in our work here, everything is ours. well, how would the world here, uh, what kind of associations can the boys have, the same thing is absolutely, and you don’t communicate with the boys there, maybe, uh, i don’t go to barbecue there, and in general, i don’t go out with anyone. i have so much work that hmm . what do you know, here's a vacation, uh, for a week for a ride, i wanted to ask about the fans. just migrated from that time how much has grown with you and how many are new now appeared, how may be the attitude of the fans towards you attack changed. these are for autographs after the concerts. is there a difference is there, uh, that i don't stay on set anymore? and i thought they were running slower already, they don’t. no, by no

means, but see the case in the next music, right at once the king left the building. yes, the king is filippenkorov, probably, yes, the rules, yes, oh, and that's it, but no, you're there, michael jack , in short. i don't linger on the set. it makes no sense for me to stay there. i want a for me, the concert is training. fitness. that is, it's a thrill. and that's it. i get this hormone of joy. i give it to people. i dump everything. ah, in the shower there is no watch in the shower. no, no , everything is clear, but near the house the love of the fans is somehow manifested, there i’ll pierce the wheel there, there ’s something else to pay attention to. pay attention to yourself. no

fundamentally. why am i engaged in mental activity, and the songs came that i should stop this very thing when inspiration comes to me. ah. it's not safe andrey if you remember the group korol i shut and if you imagine that this is a state, who would be the president you have there, who was the minister, whom and what who were you, who was the pot? well, management, and the world it can only come from wounding the accumulated experience. ah, we wanted to be uh jesters , so we always had to deal with the focus on the jester and the king was ridiculed, but when there is no single control, in this uh world, if you don’t try, a start with him

manage it will begin to try to manage with the other. and as a rule, someone else usually comes. from the outside, that's all, so it means, well, but complete, as it were, well, so that in this world there is no control of anal , yes. this is impossible, because in the same place what then turns out then what, and everyone can clash with each other, and no one will tell them that ay-yai is good, you understand, well, there are many other things that are needed, but so to speak. well, let's stop, who did you have? ay-yay, yes, everything is fine, well, as it were, everything is little by little, well, roughly speaking, who was responsible for the discipline, so that exactly all these things were there at the rehearsal, yasha was engaged, and this administrative function administrative function. yes listen to this cube, it

grants a wish, and you can safely say, without making anyone laugh. what do you want for yourself in 20 years? the only, and through 20 years be. and we'll do the rest. thank you very much. the podcast 20 years later can be watched on the first channel website in excellent quality at any time. our guest was andrey knyazev , one of the founders of the korol and jester group and the leader of the prince group.

shared with me. and clear and believe me you bring to mine. i'll be faithful at midnight will take a fall asleep on the other side. i'm not like everyone in the warmer, get dressed. goodbye, heavenly

will be cold on you. it will become nonsense to you. lone ghost through me to see the dark forest. fate and i traces, subdue her, you touch

mine, i will be led to help with me, frozen on the shore of the house. you know, i'm not like everyone else in warm clothes, goodbye it will be cold on you lower.

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hello, my name is dmitry bagh and i i invite you to a literary podcast. let them not speak. let them read. today we have an amazing program, because it is dedicated to space, we read in space. we are talking about this, what is space for modern civilization for modern culture. we understand, we always remember what space is for russia what is april 12 to our country, and i'm getting ready for this program. i even thought that our studio is similar to the iss, i don’t have any windows. i learned before the program, that the portholes are watching the earth about it. we'll talk today. i even think that if we all concentrate, then weightlessness will come. but at least from

our conversations this flight should come. especially with such wonderful guests who are with me today in the studio - this is oleg viktorovich novitsky, pilot of the cosmonauts of russia, deputy commander of the cosmonaut detachment, who has been in space three times, this is vyacheslav lvovich klimentov, and the main custodian, deputy director of the museum of cosmonautics, and this is vasily andreyevich vladimirsky book reviewer connoisseur accurate fiction, co-founded an award for the best science fiction work an award called new horizons. hello, the most important thing. it seems to me that e cosmos is something decorated with a root, because we forget it is the same as that of cosmetics. but it is so, despite this. uh, superficial, like the meaning of the word cosmetics. this is a means of decoration among the greeks.

chaos was not decorated space, not ordered dark and incomprehensible, and the cosmos was that which was decorated, ordered , categorized, and divided into stars into comets on the beams, probably, there was some great sense in this and let's start a conversation, of course. from the cosmonaut, of course, from the legendary oleg novitsky. how did it happen that you became an astronaut and did literature play any role here, maybe science fiction, maybe ivan efremov, maybe something else really. from childhood, i was always attracted, probably, by some open spaces, because somewhere up to the eighth grade of high school. for some reason, while living in belarus, i always dreamed of being a seafarer. i've read books in my opinion, it would be a powerful two-volume makarevich to write, such as a guy who came to the merchant fleet, but nevertheless reached

the captain of a sea voyage. i lived with this thought for quite a long time and only, probably, after the eighth grade, when my cousin entered borisogleb. this school is a famous school. yes, i said about the life of cadets in currencies. here in all these kind of childhood dreams. for some reason, i drastically changed my mind about my future profession and decided to become a military pilot. get ready. i was a little short of height and stretched out on the horizontal bar. i ran a lot, but there are somehow some restrictions on growth. you need to be tall, there must be some kind of middle gender, i don’t remember the standards of the military registration and enlistment office, but i can’t help but reach the lower stick, that’s literally for the season for the summer. i stretched out very well entered the borisoglerodnoe school. unfortunately, then through the reduction in the nineties. i changed three schools, continued to study there, to whom the institution, graduating from kachinskaya, and then served first in krasnodar then borisoglebsk and for a very long time the budyonnovsky assault regiment.

so from the position for the commander i was looking for, i left for the gagarin academy, he is here in the suburbs and i calmly studied, i improved my military professional level of the air force academy, you are well-known, before the release of scales, representatives of the cosmonaut training center came to us, gathered the entire flight crew and said, that this year there is a recruitment of a detachment of cosmonauts. and you were already in some kind of military rank appropriate. don't be too late. well how i had enough gymnastics, maybe it's too early to blame. yes, i was, in my opinion, 32-33 years old. it was a good age to continue a military military career. so when they suggested that those who wished to go through, hang up this cosmonaut, i naturally agreed to write a report on the passage for some reason. i thought that, naturally, i could put myself next to such great people. how do we like gagarin leonov in titov valynov? what year was it, it was 2006, but, frankly, i had to go to clear my conscience that i made an attempt. i can’t put myself on the same level with such people in any way, and literally in 2 months the selection passed and i was recognized as fit.

here is the selection of this cosmonauts. nevertheless , they said, thank you beneficial. i say what to do next? maybe go to my unit to serve further. i went back to the budyonnovsky assault regiment for six months, and from there there was already an order, the minister of defense was transferred to star city, there were documents, then you already got to star city, this legendary place, but still you are something read about space time or uh, it was somewhere off to the side. you were a pilot, yes, literature about military aviation and read a lot of adventure literature. well, tell me, but besides e knowledge of technology, in addition to the physical data of health, but here's some other worldview. i mean, not dialogue there, but something was required. as you thought, then it is some kind of representation of the distant. eh, space. you wanted to be a seafarer . well, is it still you, or is it just a technique, and er, no, i

still thought at the end. yes, it was also taken into account because how motivated a person is. that's it for his profession. yes, what does not just go to become a famous astronaut, to be on faith in the newspaper strips. yes , somewhere the last column is in the front page on channel one and it turned out to be new. i never aspired to this for me to come a little, but nevertheless. i understand that we need to do the same in order to tell our students there to schoolchildren just people what we do, then now a little bit of information has been cut down cosmonauts of operational astronautics, so we tried not to let anyone refuse a single organization, a single school, a single institution of higher education, find as much information as possible guys is space a romance or a job? everything still somehow works. this is a romantic romantic work, and wonderful, that is, your dreams come true in fact. well, essentially. yes. the only thing, perhaps, is still in the number of flights and how much time is allotted for this. well, three flights. this is not enough. this is not a little, yes, but how much in total did you spend in space, well

, almost a year a year in space. today i feel right next to you, like our other guests. thank you very much. well, now my question is to vyacheslav klimenkov vyacheslav lvovich please tell me, is there probably some kind of dynamics? yes, that's what's been happening lately . and with those who come to the museum, what they want to see space occupies, well, a few other places. oleg and i were just talking about this. well, not that every release of the program starts with shots, salute six, how was it? that's what people want, what are they interested in when they ask me? well here we are, touched up lowering the device. and you made a remark to us. so what happened? i say nothing and even if i touched more things, nothing happened. not even thousands of nothing. but you have, as yesterday we received our museum 2,800 people, and on saturday we had

one ticket for one day, and on saturday we had. 3,200 people in the museum, just imagine 3,200 touch, and you need to save. yes, not for a year , not for two for a decade. these are children, these are adults. these are the guests of the capital, they are foreigners, but now it is difficult. but anyway, who is this at the root, look, the interest is huge , not only in space, i would say astronautics, yes, that is, to people who make devices to people who actually pilot the devices and conduct experiments. in space. very interesting. uh, different family people, a lot of family people. yes, there are a lot of schoolchildren, a lot of those who came. just come here to relax very small foreigners. and i'll tell you more, while here are some interesting numbers. we are already accepting 10% more than before the pandemic. that is, you already came out perfectly without settings, but still, what is the installation of the museum on

some kind of interactive? ecogenic opportunities to join or display relics. i prefer some of these, but i won't say in advance. what do you know, well, i guess approximately what you prefer, because you are a museum man and a weekly museum, a literary museum, especially a literary museum, of course, so far with speech and religion, which, in general, can not be seen anywhere else , we lower the apparatus. uh, we're lowering the apparatus. we have five of their descent vehicles us the legendary squirrel and strelka, who proved with the legendary dogs, who then lived 10 years of life, had puppies there, and so on, that life in space is possible in space, we have a spacesuit. yuryevich gagarin, we have a spacesuit in which an ecological duplicate in which alexei arkhipov wanted to go into outer space alexei leonov from the city of kemerovo where he spent seven years of his life, as it all sounds to us alexei arkhipovich, he loved to tell the same story always what

e when i was 14 i had a choice of who to become and i was very good at drawing and painting all to be an artist, but still not read to be a military pilot, and we met in the family and it turned out that i had four meals a day at the military school at the military school. they gave uniforms, the military school had discipline, and i decided all the same. we decided i became a military pilot, i have not gone away, a great artist, and we have a very large collection, more old work, always a picture or a superman is beautiful in our museum. we have already moved on to art, and for good reason, of course, leonov is a wonderful artist, and he works with his paintings. on the popularization of space no less than on the legendary stories about pavel belyaev's first spacewalk. as we remember, again , this is pavlovich belyaev, alexei arkevich, leonov, these are all the names that my

generation knew by name. the patronymic of these people e, even if we wake up at night, we would pronounce it e. well, i turn my question. uh , to vasily vladimirsky and m-m, let's talk about art. or rather, literature. still , the cosmos is what is around us, or what is in art, or what is inside of us, and if that's briefly, somewhere there is a point where it starts. e hmm modern san-fiction. of course, one can say that plato had fantasy in atlantis, and in and in the lands and lukyan from samosata and daniel defoe, and where in russian literature prince doysky udostoyevsky gave me a funny man, but still, here is the twentieth century, as far as it is the fantasy of the twentieth century depended on real discoveries, because in parallel there were frosts of balche tsiolkovsky. those who have already

directly said that m-m gentlemen, it is possible, it is possible, as it all began in literature. well, you know, why did you start with the classics practically, in the sense of the word in which they, in general, here the word is used by the classics of antiquity, and uh, the authors of the new time, the authors of the xix century. they generally did. it seems to me a certain vector. and e space for the writers of that period of that era of those eras - this is something, more something better than the earth, that is, it is some kind of ideal. yes, some, i would say even a place where they rotate and grow, uh, all sorts of different utopias, the world mind of the world rails. yes. well, starting with the fact that this one here the rotation period of the moon is 12 times longer than during the teaching of the earth, and therefore on the moon since ancient times it was believed that everything is 12 times better 12

times more 12 times. wonderful. and it seems to me that this is largely preserved in the science fiction of the 20th century. she is very diverse. that is, uh, someone used these cosmic expanses, like entourage for adventurous adventure literature, someone used it for dystopia for discoscopy in order to show how where humanity can go in some where you don’t need to go, but these very despotic dystopian worlds were also transferred to other dystopias. this is already further internal terms, but uh, well, actually dyscopy dystopia is practically the same thing, but we will say dystopia for a better understanding. here, uh, and uh, still very u people. uh, in the twentieth century, at least. well, probably until the fifty-seventh year , until the moment when the actual cosmos humanity finally broke through, really

broke through, yes. and satellite satellite in the same year, as we remember, came out. e, roman ivan antonovich. efremov fog from andromeda fifty-seventh year. it came out in the youth technique, then the most popular magazine of the technician youth technician was repeatedly resubmitted as a separate book as a separate novel. again, my childhood, god's millionth edition, and aspired to space, like, uh, something better, more, like, uh, some kind of ideal. yes, but when it started, maybe there was even some kind of looking back at literature. i mean, we already know a little about it. yes, maybe perhaps they looked and somehow evaluated the work of the same ancient ones. it’s all the same up to the burrs, and edgar poe’s defoe, the julever is really needed right. it's already here. as a matter of fact, it's probably true with julia. maybe it's almost our time. yes, you can keep a record of science fiction, as we know it perfectly, as we remember, we lived faithfully, landing on the moon never happened, that is,

it happened. already in the second volume, e, the second book of his, but about the flight to the moon. ah, and uh, the main goal. the main task. uh, the heroes from pushkin the moon is just yes, yes, yes, it is just uh, well, make some trip to prove it's base speed. yes , pick up speed to show how it happens , uh, to prove that it is possible, that is, first of all. uh, it's not at the center of technology after all. yes, this is where human science begins. then you know, i wrote my thesis. eh, i rarely think about it, but you know about it, because in some sense we also belong to the same shop with vasily. i wrote my thesis, and stanislavella. eh, i corresponded with him. this is absolutely great eh, a man in his later years. he was very against the man-made evolution of such an uncontrolled american one, and here solaris is after all the sixty-first year , right. most probably, the famous roman of the sixty-first year thanks to tarkovsky.

of course, although they had their own contradictions, lem e denied not that i drew the film, but the film and the book say differently in the film, he had a positive fight, as always there was a conflict, but still, this example is very good it can be seen that when m-m this flight, so much desired by mankind for a millennium, took place space i was born in 1961 and so i feel like i am of the same age as the space age. eh, then after all, there was some kind of looking back at literature. and this confirms our thesis that the cosmos is not only stars, but the cosmos is both what is in us and what is in art and now we will have a traditional middle. e of our podcast. each issue in the middle contains my little solo, and i either show an old book, or

comment on a quote from a classic, or read it into a poem. and when i thought about what to read, the choice was very large, because what was revealed without stars is full at lomonosov or tyutchev e how much cosmic there is a certain hour of the night of universal silence its for an hour the phenomenon of miracles, the living chariot of the universe is openly rolling into the sanctuary of heaven, but i decided to read hmm a wonderful little poem by nikolai alekseevich zabolotsky and a brilliant russian poet mmm, in which the cosmos is dan precisely as a projection of the universe on ourselves to our inner world, when the daylight fades away and in the black haze leaning towards khatam the whole sky will play over me like a colossal a moving atom that year torments me

dream. that somewhere in another corner of the universe there is the same garden and the same darkness and the same stars in imperishable beauty, and maybe some poet stands in the garden and thinks with anguish why i bother him with my misty dream at the end of his years. and this, by the way, brings us back to the discussion of tarkovsky emma now again about the museum vyacheslav lvovich and tell me, please, does the museum publish any books. and what exactly? here i have some samples here, yes, the museum publishes books. well, how are we do? these are projects with publishing houses. now you have taken the book. she is very important to us. this is the second edition of the event horizon, a severe man's external letter. this, of course, is about sergey , this is about sergey pavlovich, because it

's an amazing branch. very beloved by us, very beloved by astronauts. it's true. this is the house of sergei pavlovich korolev and in this place. that's all there, since sergei pavlovich that's just gone. he did not leave. it would seem a minor operation and more. yes, he never returned from nina's bath. and you know here are collected with permission with permission ivan gave. this permission is written in writing before the income from life. when some time passes to publish them, and now, against the backdrop of the events of the fifty-sixth fifty-seventh fifty-ninth year, he writes letters to his wife, and the wife answers from this small house of a house on ostankinskaya street. it's very interesting what turned out of this, well, at 47.65, completely 17 years of life. yes, you know, in the house in which they say, he lived only 6 years, and i was struck by the number of suitcases in this house, because for the most part this is the vnukovo dom mashina and, accordingly, a business trip to the cosmodrome or at the enterprise that he

manages. and yet, i just can’t help but say. to remember that there is an amazing tradition now about gagarin, let’s say from an amazing tradition connected with the house of sergei pavlovich , you know, when sergei pavlovich was walking, for some seconds he was walking and found a horseshoe in his house. there, in the yard. yes, and nailed it to a tree. this is right at first glance. yes, i nailed it to a tree and now there is it has been a tradition for many years when all the crews, and the russian crews together, by the way, with our foreign colleagues and partners , come to the house before the flight and, for good luck , sit on that bench under the shoe. sergei pavlovich was his crew. yes, there is always tea on the field, how cool is that? i don't know, very very interesting. that is, you want to leave a kind. this is also literature, a literary tradition. you understand the museum. he, too, must create some important things, create some new traditions. this is such a new new meaning

some kind of museum. those that are repeated , which are created around the museum by the museum, but created for astronauts for the community for those who love astronauts, in general, that's just some very important bond. now you have picked up a book, this book is called the amazing story of the first flight. here we are trying to figure it out. who is yuri gagarin insanely interesting, i remember the words that gagarin himself will say in his book. what a road to space. he will say, i am a simple soviet man. these are all said. here is a little boy from a small village. yes, under the city. that's how this way is, yes, the undead boss then the first man in space to show this book, therefore, in the museum in the museum they read the museum likes to buy books after especially after it looks from the position. and in conclusion, that they read the museum like they read nowhere else. here they look at the object and read these floors. here is reading and patching, and

this is the achievement of literature. yes, because reading the legend is really reading the explanation, this is also when communicating to, uh, the space of astronautics. you said an important thing indeed, the personalities of these people are very important for us and how then these people who were in space accomplished their feats. and those who started as yuri gagarin and, uh, colleagues who continue as newcomers. yes, how they then give it all away and the truth is a huge number of meetings. that is , even after the flight, too, all this seems to continue. yes, olya, of course, never has an end to the former. no, no, i see. well, or she is yuryevna gagarina, the director of the kremlin of our field of famous things. we to her they drive. this, of course, is also a storehouse of our information, it is important that all this continues. well, uh, our conversation has already turned about how

the tradition itself is expected, which will be included in the annals, uh, or have already entered the annals of the annals of the cosmic conquest of the universe a. and what is happening in modern literature, i turn my question to vasily. after all, all the same, well, it’s clear, yes, but fantasy, which was once composed in a multi-volume book. in my childhood there was a library of modern fiction 25 volumes and several more volumes of applications gray red gray red. i still remember the first one remember whose efremova second koba for the third time in a row you still managed to get these books. yes , i got them much later. eh, compared to how i read it, i, of course, to younger students. and i got it, as you rightly said, i got the soviet word already for uh students. and it was a second-hand

purchase. we know all these names robert sheckley ray bradbury and kurt won a year vladimir savchenko if he reread just alexander belyaev if a little earlier you take patriotic fiction, well, these stanislavl mentioned, and so on and so forth. well, this is a classic and almost none of those whom we have now listed, unfortunately, are no longer alive. and what is happening now? here's a new horizons award, and i recently read an interview with a publisher. very famous, which says the publisher, more precisely, and she, uh, talks about the fact that fantasy among the younger generation of writers is again very popular. what does it mean? is this some kind of skipism? this is the continuation of a dream. these are some developments of themes, here, what are the names you know what's going on. if we talk about

space, i'm still talking about space, then this is a very painful painful painful issue of illness on the topic of space is less than fiction. yes, there is practically no space in science fiction, that is, if we are talking about science fiction about science fiction, which is based on some modern scientific ideas about the world around us, then it is most often the authors who turn to information technology. uh, space fantasy. it is definitely present, but it is present. hmm, so that's the background. be it such a fork, which, by the way, stanislav lem spoke already in such mature years in recent years that humanity, instead of conquering the universe, as it seemed at the end of the 19th century. yes, we are first out of the fluff, then further away to the stars. it somehow went to the internet in some parallel worlds. no, i think there is. uh, hmm the connection is definitely a connection with

what's going on with our space industry, which is the lack of it. eh, some understanding. that's so practical. actually. why does a person go into space practically, as it were, what on first plan. i look like colleagues hitch. uh, doubts are looking at you too. no, the questions are generally correct. you, oleg , also said that the concept works. although it is romantically expensive to go there, uh, a book to take a kilogram of just for good. why do you just have to return that something else and return the payload from there. what kind? well, i didn't expect from you at all. i thought you were swift. some further, and you say that you need to understand why, unfortunately, i talked a lot with our st. petersburg specialists, so say and experts on manned cosmonautics with anton pervushin, whom i probably know, yes, the historian of our little cloak, cosmonautics is not very good. e, optimistic about the future in the future of astronautics. i mean in any

global sense compared to dates. yes, some kind of technological breakthrough must occur, so that this everything will return. uh, so that, for example, well, the delivery of a payload into space from space has become at times or there by an order of magnitude. time somehow bread, which is much easier to be born second korolev in the same year was born the second king and we are already waiting for the account. it’s just from mine i don’t know yet, but some kind of thing should happen , really technologically very serious, yes, what will happen, uh, but science fiction writers certainly remember space, they don’t forget about it, they don’t forget it. uh, one way or another they use it in their works, but as a rule, space is just a background against which it can happen. well, anything can happen some kind of adventure there, uh, collisions. yeah, uh, maybe life events. maybe the moon, for example. uh, there is such an ian mcdonald writer of american non-

american uh, british irish origin. here he was with us in russia several years ago, just i participated in bringing him. he has a cycle. moon action. it happens naturally on the moon. some minerals are mined on the moon and brought to earth. we understand that this is, well, unprofitable at the current level of development, but nevertheless. here he allowed such a fantasy. the moon is practically the same for him. here we go again romance and work. this is the designation of the practical sphere. or is it some kind of cultural symbol. there, in addition to, here, purely practical mining, there is also such a laboratory. social, that is , as different scenarios of the future, where in what direction will humanity move, everything is happening there, it is developing in real time. in our country, in principle, unfortunately, uh, our russian-speaking authors are much less likely to turn to cosmic symbolism and even to cosmos, as purely

entourage. uh, but uh, i can say that not so long ago there was a collection of new future and there, unfortunately, again the same story. there is not a lot of space there, in fact, the most interesting, probably, are space stories. this is, uh, the story of eduard verkin, who, uh, describes just under the influence of uh. well, how to say after the ladies of alexander green of the strugatsky brothers, ivan efremov, he describes exactly the same technology that we talked about technology, uh, transportation. well, well, well, or transportation, yes, a transfer from our braids. to another to another to another plot uh solar system or not only solar not necessarily solar system to another galaxy of some matter, for example, a book , for example, a book, yes, please, when this happens, as eduard verkin teaches us, yes , everything will change and the cosmos will return to us again in all its shining glory, how great it is, that is, the cosmos develops in

all directions. and in general, the word space in russian from the verb stretch, for example, yes expand, the german word, deir raum is empty, like room in english. yes, there is not i don’t know what the internal form of the english word is, but i really like it. i tell students all the time and teach them, because you need to look at what lives in the word yes, the arrow lives in the word shoot although only athletes shoot from a bow , space is an expansion in all directions. and here we are in our conversation. how it turned out by itself yes, we talked about technologies and real flights and losses and how it is fixed on earth, preserved and continues to live for people. and how does literature go, or following space, or somewhere a little ahead, so a and e a person who

picks up a book recognizes something familiar from the reports of news agencies. so and vice versa. those who uh, like our wonderful authorities oleg novitsky a-a get off the ground, fly into space , learn something from books. in a word. thank you very much, dear friends. i think that we have succeeded in this threefold approach to space from different sides. let me remind you once again that russian pilot cosmonaut oleg novitsky was our guest, we had a deputy all the directors for scientific work, but kosmo vyacheslav klimentov and we had, e, book reviewer vasily vladimirsky and so we did it today and i’m sure it will work out, and you have our dear witnesses and participants in the next edition of the literary podcast. let them not speak, let them read, and in

my constancy inherent in me i say my usual final phrase. consider with pleasure, dear friends.