you write this piece of paper like this. let her rest. natalya, don’t interrupt to lie down, then open it and add something else there, and only after that decide, you know everything, i really, probably, would add more later. yes, that's exactly what happened and they acted like this, and then only after that. uh-huh, decide whether you give it to your dad or not to give it to your dad. this is a very difficult task. but i think it's worth it. you entered the mgims, cambridge became an excellent student, this is also , uh, in order to prove to your dad that you are not a piece of this plant, you know, as if at the level of the brain, it seems to be not there, but at the level of the internal, most likely, it is there. i think so, that is, on an internal level. i guess i wanted to show you, dad. well, look, i still cost him something, i studied on a budget, it turns out that

i did 4 years of bachelor's degree myself, but at cambridge. unfortunately, there was no opportunity there, but for our country it ’s free to study, so dad paid a million and spent in total on living on everything, that is, on education. uh huh yes it is it was paid. yes? thanks dad. yes, yes, let's go back, then, but to a look at the situation with illegal marriage. yes? yes, illegal, so illegal. yes, yes, yes, what do you think, if dad will formalize? relationships, who will be the heir of all his property the first heir hmm what an interesting question? well, i don't know, but if dad could choose, i think he would have his son no by law. i don’t know if, god forbid, something happens to a person unexpectedly, and his will is either not written, or hidden somewhere and no one he was not found the main heir to all

the property of a person is his official by law. huh husband not kids. i didn't know anything about the spouse or spouse. i understood , you know, i didn’t know, that’s where the growth comes from. maybe your dad is protecting you. well, yes, he did say, it’s something similar, but he said that i was disappointed, like in the judicial system , that they divide everything in half, it turns out, and i don’t want to go through this again go through here, maybe he had it in mind, i'm now thinking, michael hit the mark so much. in fact, maybe, maybe he is you protects, perhaps it is. well, tell me, now it's out loud itself, so that it doesn't sound from me. maybe the pope tried to protect us in this way and still and still. say it again, maybe the pope is trying to protect us.

in order to leave her acquired property to us, but to the woman how old well, approximately, it seems to me, she is seven years younger than my mother, but in fact, she now lives with her father, yes, she invests in this relationship, but she is not legally protected in any way, therefore she's probably the victim here yeah unexpectedly. yes, she may be the victim. well, by the way, i told my dad, that's constantly on the phone, dad. come on, not that i'm 4 years old. well, well, now i understand why, perhaps, he does not marry, perhaps, he, as it were, is trying to protect us. well, for himself , probably, after all, maybe there’s nothing, so maybe he’s not completely sure, but that’s normal. well, yes, by the way, he’s not completely sure about it, i don’t know, but he says, or maybe i ’m not going to live with her as a person for some time, this is

called not entirely sure dad maybe even. without reporting. just like mother evgenia, somewhere deep down inside, i hope that she will return and there will be a family again, as it was, maybe we can’t get into the soul of a person. just don't count on it , didn't count on it. he once said this for a day, maybe we will get married again in 50 years. that's 50 years from now. how old would they be, i think so? he says to me, well, why can't you accept it? we are not think about it. i say, well, i can't help but think, yes, about this genius, but i can't believe in the formula, the formula is not an official marriage. this is bad. i already asked the question. prove it, here it is natalya, the proof is simple. well, like all strongly religious people, and this is

bad, because i believe in it, right? okay, well you're something more like a rational person. and somehow why is it bad? why is this bad proof? my mother is a medical doctor, and from childhood she kind of taught me what i say, like, how, well, how do i spend these classics, don't drink, don't smoke, and have only one partner. that is, like, and if supposedly this partner is changing, then supposedly, this is bad for health. i don't know who you are for the health of a man who changes partners or a woman. well, probably here we are talking about dad, who changed. well, there is, er, the only one. uh-huh, what is more or less data about what a woman can be? this is bad. uh huh, a man. it is generally polygamous by nature. uh-huh and this is scientifically sound information. i'm just an expert there. i just don't know, that's why specifically, i just wanted to protect us from such a scenario, so why not

harm your health? explain everything you drove me into a dead end, you know, we won. i don't question victory or anything. see what's important, yes, the more we have these fantasies that are inadequate to reality, not corresponding to reality faith as true, although once again the truth is that which corresponds to reality. you are a man. i am a woman. this corresponds to reality. but this is bad or it is impossible to harm health. yes, life is made up of this. better not to harm your health. but listen, we have health not only, uh, we have physical health, but also mental health. yes, michael, you see, likes to draw conclusions. nothing substantiated, he says, so convincingly that people believe in it, study, by the way, yes, it means if a person has spent years because of a spoon. psychic, how does this affect his mental health? how does this affect

the mental health of the children around? yes , it negatively influences very strongly, and mental health is a state of the nervous system, and the state of the nervous system is the condition of the whole body is absolutely absolute. that 's all. you see, there are no definite decisions to live together with one partner, no matter what it is good for health, but it is harmful to get divorced. yes, we just realized that both, perhaps, it turns out, they took a wider perspective, because i looked only here, as from a point of view. health, only in terms of changing partners and that's it. and you said, but there are different ways to spoil the health of psychological health. it sometimes. this movie wears, as if even on physical health do not apply to the matic no one has canceled it, you should not believe in it, as in the only factor that affects our health. in general, even here, i really have a completely different perspective. broad perspective, thank you very much. well , the only thing i would like you to

understand is that, of course, no one here was chasing you into a corner. and no one fought with you at all, mikhail is very provocative. he is a master of provocation, on the contrary, they won. you, on the contrary, feel it was admiration that mikhail is turning out, he is right. i agree, that is, this is like the key that i am looking for myself i'm trying to figure out for myself why? that is. well, why is it normal that dad lives like this and i can’t find this key, and mikhail already found so many cool moments during the program that clicked. i don't have much that clicks in my head. and right here, yes, these are his works by eugene that came to us. i think that the most important result of our meeting today is for you. so it seems to me that this is an opportunity to think about reviewing many, many episodes of your life. just on the other side and in this, of course. with the diversity of life, we have one life to live it so that you find it interesting, useful, not

painful. and, of course, still love, please, your loved ones, allow yourself to love them and accept mine there. here is a worldly wish, yes, and now scientific wishes yes, you don’t have to live life in such a way that, as natalya said, you can live like that. it's just that if it doesn't work out, it doesn't matter either. uh-huh yes, and the last, probably, my message that i wanted to give you for our meeting for our program is your phrase to do. i can't do anything here. uh huh, uh huh. this phrase is likely to hurt you pain. yes, yes, simply, because you think that you should do something absolutely , i think so, but this is not and no. also wrong. you are under no obligation to influence this situation. you may be able to change something to some extent. or maybe not, a revolution of consciousness, simply, that is, i don’t even have to possibly worry about this and

try to fix something, yes, and i’ll tell you, as an excellent student, it’s absolutely not necessary to be an excellent student in order to be happy. i knew it right away too. yes, i do it over time. i just understood. thanks it was a clue where i am a journalist natalia loseva and a clinical psychologist, candidate of psychological sciences mikhail khors discussed the situation of a mother with many children, evgenia , who can’t improve relations with her dad and his new wife, this happens. take care of your psyche. this podcast is a must read. i am aglaya na batnikova, director writer, today my guest is children's writer sofia remis and

writer ivan shepnyagov. we will discuss the work of the nose and dragoon classic in children's literature nose and dragoon can say they became the founders of the realistic genre of children's prose, what is their innovation? actually, probably, it is precisely in the fact that just this world of realistic childhood. it was created among the first by precisely these writers, and we and the dragoons have a lot of humor, something that is strangely lacking in children's literature. although it would seem for children. it's supposed to be all fun, but unfortunately it's usually fantasy. usually these are some kind of fairy tales of the history of countries and travel adventures, something is sure to magic, and in the realistic stories of both targon and emos there was something like that. what the children themselves see there, let's say, some kind of revived hat, yes, or there is a firefly that, like a magical piece of something magical, glows. yes?

that is, this is the magic that exists in our real life, which i need to come up with a special one, you just need to see it and capture it, but it seems to me that they take some fragment of reality, yes, and with their focus, well, usually, if everyday situations , they see how magical adventure. we can only say amplify, shall we say, all effects. and so, uh, for example, in the story of dragunsky if i were an adult, but a very simple situation is taken, the child imagines what would happen if he were an adult, and his adult environment was e all children and, accordingly, he would control them and he plays such a truly sadistic picture in which this is a very funny story. it is very small straight to all its turn to recommend to read. he just takes the usual phrases that parents use in ordinary situations and shifts them, as it were, flips situation. yes, when does grandma come huh? yes,

yes, yes, yes. oh, where did our granny go? something the neck is wet, covered in mud. that is , all this is really what we say parents, say to children, and we learn in the network. yes, we know it all, so it's funny. that's all this is funny, because it's true, because we know it all. and , as it were, a slight exaggeration gives this comic effect, and indeed we and dragunsky have very, very funny stories. vanya, please tell me how you are it seems, what is the difference between the worlds of the bow and the dragoon one worked in the forties nikolai nosov yes, viktor dragunsky is already the sixties a little later, but there are some features of the world of each and now. fundamentally different yes, nosov is very sad, and dragunsky is very funny, but i can

explain, when i was preparing to re-read, i thought that i had not read it. i need to read this again. i was surprised to find. well, i do have such a feature. some phrases from literature are constantly spinning in my head read when there in 5 years. so i memorized three words, and they are spinning with me all my life. i don’t remember where it came from, it just means i was hooked and one of these phrases was spinning in my head, it was bitter porridge, not salty. i know where it comes from. i began to prepare to re-read, so it all turned out in this way it turned out that it turns out, of course, that's all. i have read this many times. i just carefully forgot how i forgot. well, in principle, i tried to forget my childhood, so i forgot children's books precisely for this reason. i came up with this, what i tried forget. because it is very similar to my childhood, and it makes me sad, but dragunskaya tried to forget, because it is very different from my forest, and this also makes it sadly enviable

in this world the difference, in principle, to remember childhood correctly. yes listen well, tell us about this story mishkin porridge sock. it’s just exactly, so i’m so, well, i’m afraid, yes, the children were at the dacha for 2 days and they left to eat something, but only i had sonya, too . i kept saying that this is like this. it looks like this is my story. and i didn't know what it was about, because i forgot i have it turned off. only there. they catch as soon as we had yorkshiremen. well, the necks of the little ones were fried first to cook porridge, they end up not trying to go to the wells at night. it'll get the drowned kettle. yes, i’ll clarify, they didn’t drown themselves, they didn’t drown themselves, then they burn these minnows with water, they don’t have to put out the fire. they wait until the oil burns out, that is the situation in reality. they’re not even in that. here, in these details, what’s there, well, neighbors, if there was some kind of fire right here, she probably would. that’s right, these are the children

alone, this is the situation when you are left alone. well, here's one at home, yes, a classic situation - this is a very cool situation for any child for a child who is constantly surrounded by adults, loving, conscious , responsible adults, he is thrilled once a year to be left alone to burn some oil there. and this is such. and when this, in principle, is the norm for you, that is, when not the norm becomes the norm, it turns out to be such a sad world of children, which is cut off from an adult. and this is the world of a lonely gloomy child. but why gloomy? it seems personal to me, but dragoonsky shouldn’t have one like that, just like he shouldn’t have a nose, but that’s the point, so it ’s sad, you think, it shouldn’t be like that. i'm probably also closer to dragunsky. that's because a for me, all the same, the connection is a little man. e according to the age of a small and a large adult. this is also an important

part of my life. i just, rather, grew up, like a child from dragunsky's stories in a loving family, but i have emotional ones, i was left without a father early. but even here i now i remember these relations of dragunsky's parents about this a lot, in fact. we can say that dragunsky tells this is such a kind of declaration of love to his wife, and the mother of the hero. yes, to deniska’s mother, because there is a constant, that is, a story about how beautiful she is, that my mother is the most beautiful in the class, how she is such a knightly dedication, that deniska’s stories are a knightly dedication to mom, right? and there, of course, the family is much more prosperous and not even in the sense of some sort of financial circumstances. just by virtue of what is felt there, this love of mom and dad is like that. caring for caring, let's just say more caring for each other, which simply automatically turns on, is transferred to the child, because

there are parents who, with the birth of their child. uh, let's just say that the personal relationship didn't end like it sometimes does, right? and, on the contrary, they have found some kind of new breath. i mean, dad is in love with mom. mom is in love with dad and the child - it feels very good, because when he comes to the house, in some stories, some ladies who can be said to incite clinics. eh, dad, here he is trying to give him something there. there, here, in the story, a drop does not kill a horse from a boiler room, but a child feels it very well and tries to resist all sorts of things. he understands, he feels these relations of parents. he is such a sensitive child, maybe just because he has a fairly prosperous emotional. yes sony you are the author of a fairly well-known series of note books. i don't know gosh. can you please tell me viktor dragunsky as your teacher in the literary sense, did you focus on deniska's stories? it seems to me that there is

something similar in the structure and there is a lot of similarity in the approach, really. but it's an amazing story. i myself noticed this only when they began to tell me about it, when the book had already been published, apparently this is the case when some kind of work goes so deep into you in childhood that you don’t even realize that they already live in you, i.e. special. of course, i didn’t write about dragunsky well, probably a lot happened that's right, but in my opinion, what you have in common with the dragoon is that we see the life of adults, through the life of a child. that is, we read some situations in the family. well, we read all these relationships, some problems of adults , that is, they are shown through children's focus through the optics of the child, but at the same time we recognize them, we read them and it turns out that the child is united here in a single system with their parents, and they have a kind of such a common and such a reality such a curious sometimes touching sometimes funny life. and so, it seems to me that this reception, i guess, i generally like books

that adult children can read. this is a separate type of book and marshak spoke about children's poetry, but it seems to me that this can be attributed to prose that examples of children's poems are checked twice by a child and an adult with good taste with a delicate taste, if only an adult likes these elements, these are not children's poetry. if only a child likes, and these are not hack-work poems, and these are not exactly quotes, but it seems to me, he asks, this is also applicable and this world with some easter eggs for adults. uh, subtle smart interesting is something that, of course, i really, really, really appreciate the dragoon.