the second half of valera's eighties is already the eighties well, in the mid-seventies for 10 years it was aha, i already have thanks 1:0 for a lobe in a joke. i liked it , there were no complaints. yes , it wasn't, yes, i collected periodically, er, referring to musical anecdotes a lot of jazz. and you know that uh people who are devoted to jazz they went through different times. jazz was not well funded. to put it mildly, i had a favorite in those days, which is also such a position there is a bastambul. that is, like an orchestra, maybe do without it, therefore basta's buster as in e, roughly speaking in symphony orchestras of viola performers. always, too, so to speak, less than the violinists enjoyed the love of the audience, let's say so, or the love of specialists, in short, from the bass. decided

decisively weighted down three years ago. she made this decision, but so far she has not been able to get away from it. do you know why there is nothing, as if you emphasize the robanists, they are good, they really appreciate, they look good there, yes, but you know about the trabbers, in general, yes? uh trumpet with his wife they close the car with a large hypermarket, which means there are plans for a lot of purchases in the store, wait. i left the trombone there in the car. she says, why are you there, well, as it were, who needs your friend? yes, if the glass suddenly breaks, i'll take it away, what will we do? yes , no one needs to drag your work somehow. all because we were not planning to buy a whole list. leave. leave it, it comes back. he says, you see, here, i told you , he comes closer, and there is another one over there in the back seat. more good trombones

leaving the rubric of love, but before we do that? i still wanted to ask you, who is she? this is your young love. oh, don't say at all, well, well, there were probably two real girls in which i was very burdened alone at school and then later alone, 25. but somehow it didn’t work out. it's not there anymore. well, it's not destiny. do you remember how two trains that go towards each other, but did not collide. why not? that's how i apologize, but i hope the audience saw your close-ups and your deep ones, because i'm here now i caught myself thinking that i had never told anyone this before, you know, about the first one at school, about the second twenty pioneers, i also

added that it was good there. this is, as you know, a dividend person. he will never develop a topic that is unpleasant for him to be interviewed. he will bypass her. i leaning delicately on the melodies of your life are asking, and you are right to say, and i do not want to talk about this topic at all. i say, well, come on, we move on to the melody of sadness, when sergey lived from being sad or once experienced this is from music. here is the feeling and immediately the music. well, it 's you, like a tuning fork tunes, and you remember what you're sad about. what a melody that evoked. that's the sadness of your soul, but music is in general, uh hmm everything that uh, maybe uh, national uh plan. uh, in general, inside you and uh, everything that happens around is all music, and if a is a real

brain, if such great composers as tchaikovsky, like rachmaninov, this is such a depth , the thought is, uh, pyotr ilyich's autumn song tchaikovsky's autumn look, the depth, what this

amazing, to somehow cheer you up and you were not bored, my musicians are periodically on tour, they play chess for money like that, the blitz with the clock is everything as it should be, and they flew somewhere to siberia at night insomnia concert. only tomorrow evening they go to the night bar, which works around the clock in the hotel, they put up a board. chess. start your tournament. the bartender comes out and says guys. well, why are you playing dry? maybe you have something to pour the musicians, you know, thoughtful on departure. need the next one. he says. yes, yes, thank you, pour us tchaikovsky goes to the counter, takes a bottle of vodka, two glasses of tea, and brings them on a tray, and they, oh, they love voyage, we meant tchaikovsky tea, but

we didn’t have time to pronounce the word tea, because when i said, we meant tchaikovsky, here i am i liked what the bartender asked again, as an expert, apparently, peter's classical music can be a mandesta, you understand? pyotr ilyich , of course, absolutely not indispensable here. eh, the sadness is passed on. uh, he can. well, here are the toys of some dreams. somehow i was glad to see it. and here to hear. here so, seryozha, say, 40 years old phonograph. uh, of course, uh, it was probably absolutely right not only for you, but also for the viewers to decide like this in television in large projects, because you sounded, i remember, the photographer had branches all over moscow. hmm. there ran a restaurant there or clubs everywhere was, and then it's the nineties. yes, and

then in the zero since what year are you on channel one? uh, i don't remember from what year, but it's from the first program, uh, two stars, when it first came in, right? yes, yes, yes, andrei boltenko was, uh, the chief director, and we were with him met from that moment. it has gone eleventh and the voice children season is now the tenth. so it's season 21. here is such a plus 60 plus, which i also participated in. i'm being a participant as a mentor for two seasons. heard from time to time. oh yes, my friends are just asking. well, valera whom? there to drag or i say, guys, why don’t they reward me for this in any way, my task is - i answered everyone's question. since i've been entrusted with that site right here, let me do it myself. yes, i honestly admit to you and the viewers a certain there is a strategy. that is, when do you recruit a team?

then you will bring, you will bring your two main contenders together in the first round, so, of course, you then make a decision based on the fact that you can do something else with this or that contestant. you understand the moment directly of their duel. and if in advance, do you tell them about it think, honestly yourself. well, alexander honestly told me that valera, i determined the candidates and i say, i couldn’t scoff at final will be. here is this friend. and you, of course, will sparkle, but i will immediately. they will not cheat. so there’s such a situation that before you started, you took songs there, like you chose and we had a library, you had a library of 100-150 songs that syutkin took there, that now you can’t touch him now i didn’t like that, the cynical approach of my seatmate sergei shnurov. i analyze and say so. look

, i have rallies there, he is a very good pitcher, and i picked him up. no one picked up the colonel writes. after it, they made a masterpiece english song for me, sirius is there and immediately he became very sharp, he is now, and the cord tells me, and how much were you looking for? i say, well, i spent a few days ago so much on one i said, and i immediately score a restaurant on the rating, what is sung in karaoke, for example, the first 10 songs that are in demand pop up and i give it to an assistant, i say to distribute the tenants. well, of course, he naturally, there are some personal ones on the market. yes, he came to the secret rehearsal. we and sergei well, first. can i take you will i be like this? relying on the fact that you're older , i'll tease you all the time. excuse the expression that sand is pouring on you, to which i told him, right? so you are ready to kiss this

sand under which i walked, like old songs. do you remember all his jokes, i found later and in one of the programs they say, and you are a singer of the era of remuneration, a vivid example for a rise in price and no more. yes, a rise in price, rise in price. so there were good such picks - it makes the voice alive. i, like all viewers, follow and watch periodically. there polina gets our the girl is not touched at all. well, it's all about love anyway. believe me, of course, i most of all went there vasya. it’s just that i’m just bastard from him in general, yes, yes. yes, i want to tell you that there was a lot of humor on the voice, and in the pauses between filming, especially live broadcasts. we have always supported each other. and very respectful and good. you are watching the melody in my life podcast on channel one. i am valery syutkin today at a party.

i have sergei zhilin without a replacement head of the phonograph orchestra, 40 years old with music and professionally only well, seryozha is a melody of joy from sergei zhilin well, uh, not strange, also tchaikovsky, yes. ok. seasons pyotr tchaikovsky

is such a winter agree yes, that's right, you see, the whole picture is in front of us at once. i say this is the greatest greatest composite swan lake feels, and the nutcracker there are no walk-through numbers. every melody is there so that everyone understands my life podcast on channel one. my guest is sergei zhilin and i am very pleased, dear viewers. u invite you to the anniversary concerts, seryozhen in autumn autumn. necessarily. come 40 years. let's share this pleasure with the maestro for the phonograph orchestra. i also want to tell you that such a master of composition as babadzhanyan is the absolute king of twist, one beauty queen, what is standing on gorokhov's poems along the alley?

will it be the sun directly from the rooftops, streams of sunlight, you stand on your hands looking at them with delight, you saw a beauty queen in magazines, you probably don’t know love there. are you going to write beauty down with beauty, and i go to meet you, and i bring you flowers, like the only beauty queen in the world. you know the story, we are at the olympics and i was at the eight olympic games, well, the winter and summer different championships of athletes. yes, i was there , they teased me that albert demchenko is our great athlete. and syutkin, uh, the

longest-running olympic games, so here we are in honor of our athletes. there, len isinbayeva, i sang the queen of heights to our runners, the queen of speed, but when the synchronized swimmers of our next time took the gold of mashka, the mudflow was then in the line-up. i remember and masha tells me, well, what can you sing for us, what i say, the queen of synchro. you are the synth queen. you are a killer work, but of course, they will remain in history in the execution of thoughts in magomaev because since after magomed did something with the supply of elegan, he brought such. we still had a stage. uh, especially male performers stood up straight as a dug and no unnecessary movements. and only uh, muslim brought. this elegance is there pithiness, what was inside him? that's just how you could get up like that, you know? i watched his movie

documentary and his wife and friends spoke very warm words about him. and here he himself very modestly said. no, they are not from italy. it was just such youth. that's how i saw it, and since yes, yes, yes, like this, yes, well, with the elegance of elegance, this is the only person who had access to such a realization and academic pop music. as they say it's because of the courier? no, he said, little conspicuous. it is necessary to crash into the memory managed when you come back to us on your head. to me it is always a pleasure to communicate with our wonderful conductor and head of phonographs and just

a person with a good feeling and good soul . sergey lived in the melody program. thank you there is such a joke wonderful. recommend some guide. take dante hello we gathered our thoughts today to solve an unsolvable problem. dante in 35 minutes. these three brave varlamov, writer , philosopher, rector of the literary institute and archimandrite simeon tomachinsky dentist. and we , as i said, will try to decide, well really unsolvable problem. but you know, dear friends. here's what i want to say right now.

i would like to talk about dante, more precisely, about the divine comedy, as a book of direct action, that is, this book for every day, if we read it today only as we look at it, as we write dissertations about the influence on the concept of purgatory as a story about the middle ages. and so on. it's all wonderful. interesting and correct. this book is part of our cultural code and so on, but it was written for what dante himself remembers. you said in one of the letters. yes, he says to take a person out of the state of misfortune in which he is now and bring him to a state of happiness, yes, hell , purgatory, paradise, state. happiness, father of names, what do you think about this and you question is actually quite correct and i absolutely agree here that the divine comedy is more about such self-knowledge, yes, because dante is, in general, a symbol of a person, then there is each of us, and his

ascent is this way. yes, this is a very difficult path through hell in an hour through paradise, in fact, for the sake of what, in order to, as the ancients called it, become kapok sdey yes , capable of god yes, that is, he had to. eh, really somehow transform something to do with your soul, in order to be able to generally look at paradise and its inhabitants and about it. beatrice speaks in one place. dante's trouble was so deep. and that it was possible to save him only by the spectacle of those who died forever. that is, he had to pass. here, through all this horror, e, where he fainted there a couple of times, and so on. uh, everything, time is running out, but such fears tremble in order to really cleanse yourself from the inside and become a real person. alexey shakes. this is possible for a modern person, but

to perceive this text has been written for a long time. yes, many centuries ago, as a text. uh, for every day, i don't think about every day. so i don’t really imagine a person, but if you don’t read their stubborn philologists, who will every day, er, read one chapter of the date, still in my understanding. this is some book that burns every day i don't really want to get burned i don't really want to. but in general it is curious that there is a very different perception of live. dante is very different. see, for example, mandelstam in his famous conversation essay. dante wrote that reading dante is such a difficult ascent, you need to stock up on swiss shoes with nails to go borghis, a well-known argentine writer says that reading dante is a pleasure, that he generally reads books more just for the sake of pleasure. and here is dante - it's just that this is super. such beautiful poetry. nietzsche

you can come across the idea that dante is singing, hygiene among the graves, well, he liked some paradoxical ones less, yes, that’s why the perception. here is one of the french romantics in the 19th century who wrote that reading hell is all that reading a florentine newspaper. yes, that is, this is the link. in fact, this great immortal creation to the reality that was created also has a place to be, so this is a very planned piece. difficult very difficult and therefore every day i read something very different. i read pushkin every day. well, pushkin, you can add to this collection nikolaevich your still moving, saying that you read there to swim in the sea. i know why about every day, but there is such an approach, perhaps reading the date, that there are, uh, three levels, yes, and each subsequent one is deeper than the previous first level. and when we realize the greatness of this book, we say yes , something like that, probably, could be, that is, not

literary greatness, but there are people who are convinced that the divine comedy is the result of a certain spiritual journey of dante's revelation and so on. something like that could be. this is first class first. i mean , not on the plane. yes? first class in comprehension. yes, the initial level is the second level when we talk, but such things can happen to me and the third level is the deepest. yes, the most serious and closest to what dante wanted is when we say, listen, this happens every day. yes, i tell my students and i don’t think that dante would be offended by such a comparison. i tell them, you know, that you wake up on saturday morning and you have to go to the first couple and this hell. then you get up, because we need to drink coffee, there a little bit and already somehow life is getting better already, and if it’s already purgatory and if everything is fine in the evening, then here it is paradise, but in a sense, of course , not

in such a primitively everyday way, but this path that we go through all the time. isn't it, you understand? i say, everyone has their own ladies, yes, yes, so i remember my dante, i read it in the first year of philology, because i had to read a and e, so it was a thick book that could not be borrowed from the library, because she was all gone only in the reading room. it was the first book in my life that was read in such a way that i read three lines, got into the note to see what it means the next three lines, again a note. and, i mean, i felt myself. here then for the first time as a philologist. why reading like i used to read books before. i'm wondering, for now, yes, i 'm reading there, the eye is flying, looking at the lines, and now figushki doesn't work. look, it doesn't matter. this is heaven is part or now. yes it's hell or in another order, yes, but in any case it's a difficult read in that sense. mandelstam's position is closer to me than the fact that in this book there is a vector who actually himself yes, he explained something. why comedy starts badly

and ends well. yes, a very big question. was it so in the life of the date itself. that's what starts badly, i understand, but the fact that everything ended well. uh, in the life of dante himself - this is a rather controversial father. ivan what is your dante? i agree with alexei nikolaevich that it is really difficult to read dante, but mandelstam still wrote an opera reading. yes, these indelible swiss boots with nails. this is the first hard bite. that's when it's necessary all the time, i just watched it all the time. e in a note. this is for the first for the second forgiveness, when you already know well 25 times. yes, then this, of course, is completely different . hmm, it’s really a kind of interlocutor that you open to at any point and somehow it touches you. uh, regardless, uh, actually. which part did you get into, because . well, if water, then, of course, it's not

just terrifying. and somehow it cuts you off. eh, there are the same terrible, so to speak, images all sorts of snakes somehow connect with a person. yes, and they turn into one of those terrible such scriptures the other day i re-read, of course. well, purgatory is really our uh, ascension to god is for me it's like a metaphor for earthly life. yes, that is, precisely the efforts that are associated with internal purification. yes, and when he says this , i go up to gain sight. and where we are british vision, and paradise is the contemplation of both divine objects and communication with saints, therefore, or there, his communication with adam is beautiful yes, the first person strikes me this, of course, is an episode from the divine comedy. that is, here are some, uh, pieces become familiar to you. and they are you or keep your mind vlade without despair, yes, uh, or be inspired. here is the ascent to god in this sense. i think

that having overcome this first resistance of the material, then you go to some other, comprehension closer to you, you know what i wanted to ask literary children. maybe i'm wrong. but the cervantes has as much as he likes, he is dostoevsky there in the 20th century there under the japanese, but not it turns out, staged, theatrical and not motographic no why, because you understand this scale as the scale of scales, but here i began to re-read, again, the divine comedy and caught myself thinking. well, and some books around the divine comedy caught her thoughts, then, in general, dante was not a very kind person. well, at least in this book. and look what happens there, he travels through these three spheres. yes, and actually engaged in the fact that interviews. yes this asks this asks and asks this. it's amazing

from an artistic point of view, it's convincing. it is possible to say so, there are absolutely such people there. well, this is one of the most classic examples of the second round, and before meeting with the ball and the french full francesco yes, this is a famous medieval story, not even a legendary one, actually happened before our eyes. and the blow is these two people , powella and francesca, who fell in love with each other, but this is lawless love . yes, therefore, they are in this second circle. in general, dante well, or a lyrical hero. i do not know how to put it more correctly, he sympathizes with them at the same time. and here they are in this position. they have absolutely no remorse for what they have done, but from a point of view. dante, they are just there, because well, they have sinned, so they have sinned, although the person who killed them both. he is in a more difficult circle of hell, in general dante is very fair, so he is very fair, but it is not by chance that we say that in our tradition mercy is higher than justice. here at dante

mercy in my opinion. there is no way, as an artist, he is impeccable more than that, and when it means paola and francesca meet him and see that he is imbued with them. sympathy, but justice, the stronger. than sympathy, however. they say, they tell him that if we could , we would pray for your soul before god, they can’t they are in hell, but this human is so strong in them that they would pray and the lyrical hero does not even have a movement of the soul. maybe somehow change and want to, maybe somehow forgive them. they the truth themselves do not repent. this cleaning says , because if they repented, they would betray their love, there is such a complex moral and ethical complex, that is, all this complexity, all this depth of human relations. dante certainly shows, but he passes by, well, he passes by them all. and this is his such passage through the parting grounds. eh, and rai is in this. oh, i may be wrong, i don’t know, which one i don’t want

to take. what kind of dan each of us has, yes, well, the first word that dante utters in the first chapter is mercy, complain, that is, it works. if you agree with your vision, yes, to a person who has no mercy, but he himself begins with this , the text begins with this. this is his first word no, mercy certainly disagree you know. you agree it's not worth it ends badly. there is such a story that here, like everyone else, where is justice, where is justice? why are you still lawless around? well, as justice is in hell, but mercy is in heaven, and on earth, how will it turn out, so to say, e, in this regard, he really is dant after all, he studied jurisprudence in a balloon; for him, this idea was handled very important and not by chance.

there is a katon, he put the guards of the parts and so on, and she, of course, is present, but dante is compassionate, and you are not accidental, i fell like a guy, this is generally him, on the contrary, wilgel, he says, listen dear. if you now start to squander your emotions here, you simply won’t get there. where do we go? you must step back and accept divine justice as it is. these people have chosen their own path. you 're right, yes, they don't want to confess. and by the way, that's cleaning with wonderful this is already a phrase that amazes me. that only a few lines are dedicated to each character of dante, but this is eternal life, this is eternal life, you understand, that is, they are frozen in this state terribly, because the frozen state is only in hell. e, everywhere, in the rest of the dynamics of things everywhere. they understand these winds are chasing, for now, and chasing the french. they're both interesting. yes, it's not fire. here is such a household association, the first, yes or school, i don’t know, whatever. and ice. yes ice

- this is the ninth circle and there is also an amazing thing, when he walks, i don’t remember who he is talking about, so, well, like, give me an interview, tell me why you don’t want to tell, and then yes, he says, well, i’m talking about i will write you. what do i get from it, when i am among the icy swamps, and you believe so much that it really happened, that is, when, uh, they were talking about dante? yes, what is it? this was printed during his lifetime. and yes, what, here he was in hell, when you read this, you really get the feeling that somewhere he saw something, but in general, i'm here, to be honest, i think that i don't know, there is a lyrical hero not a lyrical one. it seems to me that this is the result of some kind of spiritual experience. this. well, otherwise such books are not created, or such a book could not have been written in another way. and you know, that's what's interesting, what am i talking about? what a turn i wanted to offer you now , i’m starting, maybe from what you said nikolayevich here, uh, he is fair, but there he is not sympathetic, yes, but this sense of justice is stronger in him. than sympathy. that is, he believes, it is clear and should feel sorry for them, of course. well, they

deserve it. let them look here, even this fred e sicilian, yes, which in general , sorry, the church excommunicated, and the church excommunicated, dad, e he died before that he repented on the pretext and he is not in hell. not in any style, right? well, he had other qualities. it was wonderful, dear, papa, yes, who realized that he could not deal with these difficult things, papal, and wanted to leave, or rather, retire. praying to god to dedicate him was not allowed to do this, in general, imprisoned him in prison and his church, by the way, the roman canonized where dante places him in limp in the middle. worthless. yes, because from dante's point of view, he is so active and active. you have to behave like this, and if you don’t lead, then the place, but there are concerts , you understand, he really is, after all . sometimes it seems to me that his position is more complicated. well, it can fall, as a dead man falls, but at the same time, this lawyer, this lawyer, does not die in him internally. he

believes that everyone here is fair given, but according to their deeds for me. uh, incompassion and compassion is impossible love. yes, but a let's remember the end of the divine comedy that almost everyone knows, at least the last line, which is actually the beginning and not the end. here i could not eat, but high spirits took off, but passion and will. i already strove as if dunn's wheel is a smooth ride of love that moves the sun. and love shone for dante - this is not a metaphor. this is what i think is sometimes confused beautifully for beautifully finished. it's not a metaphor. he is literally the sun and shone in general, everything in general, the main feeling, love is love, yes, only dante says that there are two problems. where is the sin. or an object. wrong, selected love, or not, measures, love. yes, but, by the way,

what does christian christian asceticism and patristic heritage say about this ? he is close to us very interesting, of course, the topic and it would be worth studying it in more depth, but i met something similar, naturally, not in terms of love. and now the confessor is in maxim's cellar. yes, that is, that is our full strength. yes, they are originally as if they are kind, yes, they can be directed to yes in the right direction, and so on, they transform a person, they really lead to god, and they can go completely in the direction yes and and this is not some kind of evil nature. yes, naturally christianity understands that man is created good. yes , but here is how he will use what is given to him in the subject of e by gifts. well, yes. well, this is a common christian idea. yes, in general , god does not create evil, therefore there is a person, and all and all his feelings desire his desire even with us, by the way, here is an italian embryo the dentist wrote a book, uh, which was translated into russian, apparently embarrassed

by the original dante who saw god, in the original the book is called dante the poet of desire, because there can be nothing dante without desire neuro- psychophysiologists. they would say needs. yes , but it's true, but only this desire of dante is associated with love, and the problem arises when you either lost your way, or you don't love it. yes, this, by the way, is quite in line with sin according to the orthodox tradition. this is a miss. yes , from greek to russian word. can translate as a miss. dante says this is wrong, the target is chosen. it means you don't love it. what are you worth loving? this is the feeling of love that god gave you which no one else has. bukashka does not have. here is and you have it and you let it in, and the second is a sense of proportion, yes, well, i would like to specify this, because danko understands, and the object of this love is beatrice. yes, it's like, here's his, uh, personal story and his love for this girl who came into his life when he was nine years old who never

was his sweetheart was never his wife because he married another she married another. then she died. and so, as far as i understand, uh, the essence of such an underlying reason for the divine comedy is that at some point dante's life went in the direction of sin, life. yes, she went past, and then , as it were, the architecture of the divine comedy, if i'm wrong, because when the mother of god saw this, yes, she turned to them. the third and now love-driven biotrite shows dantu, hell. where at all? he should have hit because he has gone astray and the only way he can, as it were, take the true path, that is , love really lies. eh, love of the ladies, so beatrice love of biotracks, dante here it is at the heart of this whole love story, that the sun is moving, the step was shining, but it is not in the sense. such a strong feeling, it literally says the world is driven by love, but i'm not accidental. uh, vladimir romanovich i'm writing more biographies.

i am always interested in the biography of a person, how it turns out, after all, that dante had his own wife, had his own family, had his children was. there, his personal drama of the political answer was the expulsion of yes from florence . well, that is, here in the divine comedy you understand that you might want to tear it away a little from considering it as an eternal work. i want to bring it closer. here we are here now for the land. for some, maybe the brains are arranged. i want to understand, yes, how is it ? in those specific conditions, how it was created and how it turns out some kind of strange life for a person. here you have a wife. here you have children. here you have a family with which you've been torn apart. and you love some, and you love you, and i will answer you. yes please know why? because when dante says love, he doesn't mean, leave your wife, stop loving your wife. and now let's destroy the family there. no, he says, to love means to do everything to make someone you love feel good. and this does not mean that he can love one person at all. love

moves, the sun, the luminaries, make no mistake, make no mistake. now, if you left your wife and tried to marry biotra, then yes, he said, you don’t love her. he's on his own said. you don't love her because you want you for yourself yes, you love for yourself. it seems to me that there is no beatrice, in general, some kind of fantastic story, because he managed to turn. uh, some, well, little-known girl, the one he really saw there a couple of times. e. a media personality of a huge scale not that word is a universal symbol, yes, that is, she really acts. like, uh, the personification of faith yes, and there they are in heaven. uh, with the mother of god with all the other saints. yes, and it's so organic. that is, on the one hand. indeed, it seems to be such a platonic earthly beloved, which he aspires to, and it is clear that this is so, but on the other hand. he is starting to see. eh, the heavenly world is already in paradise

being. yes looking into the eyes of beatrice looked into the eyes of his beloved. that's how much through it he starts. this is not don quixote and the dulcins, you understand, this is a completely different status of youth, said the demolition of the head is completely different, that something and this does not mean that he does not love his wife, no, he certainly loves his wife, no one argues with that. but in general, of course, the situation is unique, especially since b3 - it's not just a lovely lady is also such a character, which is from the troubadours. by the way, it is while reading the troubadours in the divine comedy that paola and francesco begin to test each other in treatment. when all their troubles begin, that is, dante makes another attack against this french cultural literature. biotritė still acts as a judge. yes, she, uh, her love, her strict love exacter. there is her love, demanding there, this is such , it takes him into account there, such a pedagogical such pastoral.

i would even be present, well, today we gathered our thoughts on the topic why dante, archimandrite semyonamchinsky alexei nikolaevich varlamov, i am vladimir left, yes, three brave ones who are trying to answer this difficult but important question in 35 minutes. but look also, ah, an interesting point, again, not only dante was repeatedly noticed there. in dante's naudanta , the first last words are definitely very important. and the last word every part and hell and cleaned yesterday is stand yes stars is what lasin uh translates how it shone, yes, and then we went out to see the stars. the end of hell, yes, the pure one is worthy to visit the luminary, and the place of participation and love that moves the sun and the luminary. after all, in my opinion, alexander sedokov has an idea there that this is a constant reminder of how important it is to look at the sky and in a metaphorical symbolic sense, and what do you think about? i

generally admire his cosmology, despite the fact that this cosmology is such a ptolemaic system geocentric in the center, the earth revolves around the planets and the sun is also one of planets between these planets, and you also rotate on the one hand. do you understand what it is? well, it's scary, probably, you don't need a scientifically modern point of view. although, at the same bootleg kutuzov, i read an idea, as the clay kutuzov of the soviet mathematician p . e, pavel argues that dante has such a non-quickwild geometry, that dante , on the contrary, looked far ahead and saw what, for example, copernicus galileo and giordano bruno could not see there, but about mathematics. i certainly can’t say anything, but in any case, here’s the fact that he has the stunning beauty of god’s world, that he has amazing landscapes, whether it’s earthly , whether it’s creepy, these hellish landscapes, yes, but

whether it’s a sanctuary, that sea. the odyssey is there, which are still floating, all this is connected with the activities of people, and these are the heavenly spheres. this is the music of the spheres, which will then be described in danish by a broom. erofeev yes , of course, uh, dante yes, this is the world. it really is the world. this universe is what it is created. it is, of course, mesmerizing. it is absolutely. uh, blows the roof off. here are these, i forgot another probiotic. it was a cool idea, and cleaning, where is the borhisproda. again, in his manner, in my opinion, he writes that sometimes one gets the impression that, in fact, for the sake of meeting with the biotrack, everything was written, that he yearned so much for this dead wound of his beloved, that he wrote everything for her sake, and as if the central event in the divine comedy. in fact, it is , uh, the meeting of dante uyatrichem. well, it seems to me, as a special case of a more general one, because look what we are saying the divine comedy ends with the phrase there. here he

feels like love, that the sun is shining, but in a sense it begins, if we proceed from the fact that dante had some experience. let's be careful here. so. here, delicately, he experienced something, then he went through it, and then wrote, that is , the dates that he writes earthly life, having reached half, begins the first chapter. i found myself in a gloomy forest, this is dante, who already felt love for himself, what moves and shone it love and only that he saw in paradise allowed him to describe everything else later. he lived something. it's a journey from start to finish, and then i sat down to record it like this. yes, i think, holding back, my father said to himself, but about the stars. i would also like to add two words that they really are of great importance not only as, so to speak, the final words of steel, but in every cant, but they do not have a very symbolic

meaning, because, let's say in hell, there are no luminaries at all and sveta yes, it's perfect dark experience, so they went out to see the luminary again, yes, the stars and appear at the beginning of the four stars, which are the four ancient virtues wisdom courage moderation. and that beloved alexei nikolaevich, justice here are four antique ones, and then three more appear already. when climbing a mountain, and when already in an earthly paradise, yes, when moving to paradise, three more stars appear, which are already theological virtues of faith, hope, love , that is, here are some other luminaries, what are we talking about. yes, that is, a person must acquire and these virtues, to go into the woe , are certainly the same here. you know, i want to make a sharp u-turn and have time to talk. about sadly, probably on the subject of the topic of translation, we understand that between the reader and the author in the case of translation

there is always a translator. well, what can you do, but we understand that, uh , such a translation of lazinsky, which is considered canonical, is a feat in every sense, there are human because. he wrote in besieged leningrad , yes, then in the evacuation he should finish in the forty- second year. if i'm not mistaken, finished to translate is a poetic feat. yes, this is a philological linguistic feat. but at the same time, giving their due, experts say, of course, that sublime language that lazinsky offers us. this is not a language. dante, he is without such here, sublime dark littered with things. it's just like the truth, yes, that is, everything is tough there, and in general, this is the language. it was after all. uh, in fact, it is clear that the italian language actually creates these works, but this is the language that people spoke. lozinsky, we do not speak, and in latin times we did not talked like that, and in general, never

talked like that. almost speaking modern italian it is already very different, if robert charges a wonderful actor, just rediscovered dante for the whole of italy after which they are now read out tossing the shelves. e, before well, he would have remained for them, like some sort of word about igor's regiment. what do you think about the translation of lazinsky to read? well, to be honest, i have nothing to compare. i still need an expert here . i can only say that i have the same one from mandelstam and he learned a special the italian language in order to read dante was the beginning of the thirties. and by the way, it is curious that the translation of lozinsky in the forty- sixth year received the stalin prize. yes , and even according to the rules personally. yes, they corrected the situation personally, stalin according to the rules, what did he ask? what is tikhonov's? main event he was told the translation of the infant. let's give an award . we do not have such a situation, let's change

the situation and give it time, but here's what i seem to intuitively do anyway. now i'm ready for our today's conversation. here are my such quotes attacked the date, yes, that he was like that. here is an angry, strict, severe uncle to himself and to those around him. does this really suggest that the sharp one could speak? he's out there fighting one of these sinners, seriously. in the ninth circle there , one of them doesn't want to answer him something. he just starts to fight him. so you understand that a person who behaves this way is most likely expressed in a different language. than this is perhaps described in infants. by the way, you said that you learned it at mandelstam on purpose. i remembered, that i also read that in azinsky's family there was such a rule that he wanted to read a book. well , as foreign authors learn the language and so it was recognized that many masterpieces of eva literature. he missed. well, because akhmatova didn’t manage to learn all the languages , look, and the poem muse came in , throwing back the veil, looked at

me attentively and spoke to the back-dante, dictated the pages of hell answers. i read somewhere that this is it. and the marking is such these akhmatov poems that russian culture is russian literature divine comedy is not read completely. what, uh, the work here , akhmatova writes about from yes, she also has a poem by dante there, and there the truth-diray is mentioned. well, and many others. where is the sacrament? where someone talks about paradise, well, it doesn't matter. it's boring and so on. but we often come across the fact that people really read hell and move on. well, it’s just interesting, it seems so to them, yes , in fact, this is the famous, just rozanov’s statement that the vice of the artistic display is so dull, yes, that is, all representations. well, what can be interesting in paradise, but, in principle. well, what are you like there, well, the angels sing, and what

kind of speech is there, there is tension and less than sometimes higher yes, and brighter. and these exams that we arrange. there, the apostles peter john and dante, you are generally amazed. i would have fallen there on the first cut. that is, in this sense, there at all. it is so worked out and the fact that not reading the other two canticles is such a sad phenomenon. so you think you can agree with that? what's in culture to us? well, it just seems to me that this is a given, although our great ones, of course, that's how pushkin gogol they read in the original. yes here, naturally yes and they read entirely. yes, they did not know each other, yes, but they read it in its entirety and appreciated it in its entirety. yes , that's why, it seems to me, what is needed here is not mowing, and , among other things, i found a common effort to overcome

this stereotype that it is only interesting in hell, there is a disco. there, you know, there was some italian advertising. uh, phone connection. there disco will enter there, yes you are there hello, yes, that is, well, sort of, yes, it was a whole series of commercials. uh, advertisements for company phones, yes, and the tomato pestered in such an entertaining one. this is, of course, the general one. that's a sad stereotype. well, i still want to finish already. we haven't been able to. uh, how is that impossible. yes, but on the other side. i really wanted the result of our conversation to be for those who will remember dante with us . yes, for those who have not reread dante for a long time, i want to say that, of course, this book was written for paradise. and of course, if you get to, uh, before that, it's not like it's been through some kind of difficulty before. and just read it. you read you see that it is

interesting and much higher in tension, yes, than what is written in dante's terrible hell. thank you dear friends. today we gathered our thoughts about dante alexei nikolaevich varlamov archimandrite. votchinsky. i am vladimir berry. thank you thank you roman karmanov elena kiper yes we are guests jazz musicians igor butman oleg akkuratov i wanted to ask igor to introduce oleg akkuratov as he does on stage when he introduces his musicians. this is a separate part of the usual concert, absolutely brilliant and better than e. butman - no one will do it. this is a unique unique,

talented, unique, educated, well-mannered and very pleasant person, oleg neat, whom i first saw. uh, well, we saw each other, where we saw each other for the first time , i went to the club for you once the club came to me, yes, and you were very small, yes, well, not quite small. it was 2.000 the fifth year. i was 0 years old 14 or 15 or 16 already can i go out? and you can come to me. then i came. i didn’t even have time to understand anything, and then there was an international competition of peace, jazz in rostov-on-don, the dialect was one of the contestants. naturally, as soon as he started playing, it was clear that this grand prix would immediately go to oleg akkuratov, nikolai yanovsky and i, a wonderful pianist, an outstanding composer and fatter, shed a man’s tear, because we, because when you you see such talent, you just, well, it touches you. you know, when this athlete of ours

was a snack won the olympic games, in my opinion in 2004. and when he overtook everyone, so to speak, all the people in the world. uh, at that time the best, who is also so proud of this pride, you always have such tears of joy, as the famous hero said , so it's the same thing, we saw oleg and we both have such a tear, and then, of course, a musician, who sings knows great music the history of music classics plays jazz, playing knows the people. she sings songs in all languages ​​of the world, so it’s impossible to imagine him differently than i imagine her. i'm just here to come to you to a living legend of jazz. you can get acquainted. this is me for those who want to come up. but there are such talents, collectors, in general, you can not even say hello. well, this is appealing to catalently people by and large, since we are a damn industry. here you have to

be proactive and not be afraid that you will not be seen or understood, if you are talented, then you will notice. he is such a country that we notice talents in you mainly, if you are engaged, so to speak , you are doing something creative, so to speak, activities, then you will go away, what do you like? if you love, you want to pass this love on to other people. there are three prominent people in the studio here, which means a producer who once already broke the mold, and in general, had a relationship with a tattoo that tore the whole world. yes, igor mikhailovich butman the great, no doubt. how the new generation appealed. yes, yes, you can so to speak, you can, and here i actually have a question, as a person who is not a musical person in practice. here, uh, what we will tear the world with in the future, yes, that is , korea tears with a cape, for example, no matter how it sounds korean korean popular music

tears the world. yes now the most popular. well, it was the first one. yes, you know, yes, of course, i yes, i know, he was the first to listen to this music, but i know that there is such a genre, yes, and bts is now there, yes, the most popular er, so translate by a musician. i don't know this always. it seems to me that we study this, we take an example, we look, we find people, yes, the trainees are offered to write, similar in a manner using, for example, you just need this all education, this is all. well, i studied, so to speak, e foreign music school. that 's where the conservatories tell us about how he wrote music. we study modern composition. and they tell us the pylon. zhmot wrote. so he uses such

techniques such harmony. here in these things he has such harmony, and in the next thing he has such harmony. and now you write in the style of the lonnitsa. you sit and write. i have a composition called. the siberian mont is also here we create, so to speak, in the school class. and we take what is popular with us. there this popularity. here comes, talents, young people, they say, write in this style. and now apply this is a huge job, and the goal and this goal should sometime. well, it will work, when it works , not two people will appear or not one person is determined by five, that is, you are not calm. you don't rest on lavra, of course, but of course no. i'm talking about this, and i'm talking quite literally in korea. what happened. yes, there were about eight people gathered there, which means korean producers. they made the technology they took the swedish composers, uh, young young talented guys, yes, that is, they did not

go to uh, because there are no festivals there. so they could not find oleg there accurately, they take very young children of 8 years old , train them and then let them out. in these bts collectives, for example, this is the product . approximately there, is it possible for us to have such, uh , nobles, when such smart people gather people, so it launches a conveyor, in which talented children and maybe not very talented ones find themselves and we have a new music industry, for example , like this, well, in general, in general, i talked with one of our well-known producers on this topic and one of my ideas was. let's get together. here are well-known producers, composers, let's get together and discuss how we can surprise the world, invite everyone, but we don't. well, someone is in control. yes, we are all experienced, it is clear that there are all sorts of

unknowns, but everyone knows his own unknown. i know my unknown jazz musicians who are already participating . at first it was an olek, when i showed oleg neatly on the phone to wynton marsales, he also began to cry. yes, and immediately invited oleg na to perform in america, the same thing. everyone can bring his not unknown and also get together and discuss this topic for discussion topic for discussion. what to do next so that the whole world listens to us? well, here we are in jazz, i know how to make popularity better than american jazz. but we sometimes sometimes better. but although he has to strive. you know, when it was my anniversary, oleg played and sang and larisa alexandrovna came there, the valley pressed the orchestra of mars trumpeters with them, of course, there at all, that 's not even a drummer. not even a sample double bassist. i don't know better. well, they don't have guitarists

like we do. saxophonists no, there are no guitar saxophonists, they have a good, amazing, and we played with them. at first we were worried, but when we played already in st. petersburg , we relaxed a little, so we played ok, but yes, here is a brilliant musicians brilliant orchestra. what can be done to play better? what are they just doing for a couple of hours more than they rehearsed each and, but it's possible and she's fat we had interesting i can not ask a jazz musician. this is the state of man. well, of course, we are a solid middle class, a solid middle class. so, i don't know the box. for example, i consider myself a wealthy person. i do not know how to stand on the point of view of finance. i mean, we are now talking about young people now young people are very demanding on this, yes, that is, if you are

in demand, then you have us. last year i officially had 170 concerts. the musicians of my orchestra and my committee are practically the same. almost the same. well, we didn't play for free. therefore, we have financial stability. i 'll tell you what the musicians. some make very good money. and this is not the limit. there are jazz musicians, ours. well , we also focus on the greatest musicians for us, the same wine, marsales is so to speak, both a musical and human idol, as a public figure, he was one of the 25 most influential people in america according to time magazine . a jazz musician in russia cannot be influenced. and if

you define your mission as a jazz musician for the future of the century of wands, i have no mission. i just love. i may not have you. i don't think, i don't sit, i don't think. so what do you understand. yes? tell tell me. my mission is to make people happier, so they would like to know, i say that if there are some things happening in the world, it means that we have not finalized somewhere. no, something was not finished, people left something satisfied. i remember being alone. wonderful jazz singer and pianist shirley horn sang in america was at the festival there performed, and then i sat served. she left. we were already such an elderly woman who came out playing in white gloves, and she sang and the whole first row. we all took hands, just not well, there are people. it was as if we knew there was someone

on the right, on the left we were sitting by the hands, and now we were listening. here is this divine, some kind of musical revelation, well, it wasn’t bright at all, it’s just that she sang nothing, and this timbre of the voice is all together. and it was great and we want to do it so that people leave happy with the sulka and share their impressions. dear friends, dear friends on this optimistic note, by the way, opinion. unfortunately, we are forced to end our broadcast. today they were with us. igor butman people's artist jazzman oleg akatorov star modern russian jazz without a doubt. i am sure that the best thing you can do now after this broadcast is to turn on oleg's recordings, listen to him and igor butman's orchestra. this is wonderful elena kiper, we say goodbye to new and night airs. big to you now i'm in this big world hey

like the sun, here's jazz for you. lord the lord will go on earth