[000:00:00;00] my friends of acquaintances there, who appreciate this, understand, yes, and the same as me with all the interests, e, he just crushed me, as it were, that is, he began to slowly, slowly deprive me of these talents of mine there. eh, there are hobbies. and how does it happen all sorts of nonsense doing? you well , look at these hobbies of yours, but it's just a kindergarten. don't go there, yes, well, not even so they have one, of course about communicating with other people. eh, well, understandable. he is at home. i work a lot. it is not right. if you will go somewhere. i say come with me. i'm tired. here you will be a bad wife. if you go somewhere without me, wait, he was still working at that moment, he was working. here after. uh, 4 years later, how did we not finish it. yes, after 4 years, as we lived, and i found out about another girl, his mother called, who so madly

loved and respected me, and she was. our relationship she called me and accused me of the fact that it turns out that i took him away from the first family. i say wait say it to me now news 4 years later that he was with his family. she says, yes, they had a full-fledged family, they lived and loved each other. well, how is everyone there with problems? here he has a child there, you will do it yourself now from what you said, what you need to give. yes, that is, i understand correctly that it was some kind of one episode, but he was generally stable and systematically living a double life. he had other relationships parallel to yours. you know, that's why everyone stayed there, because he is so, uh, how skillfully played here this role of such semin that it seemed that he completely belongs to me, and in fact everything about him after years. i found out

that he had a second one. the phone number is always that he met other girls there , moreover, he brought them. yes, you got into my apartment. in power. this, in my opinion, is not the first time i have heard this word on our broadcasts as a psychopath. this is a podcast of the psyche. my name is natalya loseva. i am a journalist and my co-host is a clinical psychologist. mikhail horse and our heroine svetlana with whose loneliness? we today we are fighting, you slipped several times that he somehow took your apartment, your business, he was literally a gigolo or he still earned, but not enough or he spent your money on someone. and i can't say that he is alphonse alphonse, probably, a person who really does not work. no, he worked, and he worked a lot. he worked. there from 5:00 in the morning until 12:00 at night there. well, i think that he brought money, but i didn’t

see his money, you never had a common budget. watch how svetlana you say he is he worked from 5:00 in the morning until 5:00 at night there bubu, then you talk, and it turns out that he had a second life as a woman, there are telephones and so on. he told you that he works. check it out for the future. now, yes, that is, you told us 3 minutes ago that you discovered that he had other women all the way , had a second life, another phone, and immediately tell us with absolute conviction that he worked until 5:00 in the morning. at what time did he, uh , do this, yes, he mastered other women and other things. well, when he lied to you that he works already after a while, of course, yes, there were moments when at the moment you believed him, you thought that he was really dear, since he worked surrounded by my family friends, er, who, probably, could not. yes, lie there too. well, do not know the mass do not know, listen, how many have abandoned you, then relatives and

friends think. well, what am i going to get out of here, well, somewhere he took time off from work and left. well , you never know what business he has. and now i’ll go with the wind, i’ll tell you, their marriage will fall apart, and we devoted so much effort so that they finally there, so that the light and from there over here to the earth near the earth. yes, you know, they are smaller, but but he did not bring you money. you you say you haven't seen the money, right? and he told you before, didn't he? that's it, that's all for me, of course, he lives, that he'll be the question was asked, where is the money, we swore a lot. you fought because of it. so he told you well there is no money. you talk, you listen to this work from morning to night. why don't you get paid? no, i don't see why they pay. and where did you keep popping some kind of need, yes, to spend it, but, as it were, not for me, but at the same time, for example, hmm well , for our own interests, for example, we have been there for four years, you know, a boat with

a motor, yes, it seemed, in the end, after all this history, it turned out that he bought the land, oh, which i didn’t know, you know, a good interesting car from the salon suddenly, out of nowhere money appeared from him, therefore, he saved them up, can you somehow take care of it? well i don't know in bed you had a good quality. he, uh, yes, the sex we had was great, everything about that, but then again amazing. he was thanks to me, because at the moment when we met and it is possible that sex was the reason that he was so seized by me, and, as it were , over the course of these many years, when we were already there, and we were cursing, it was hard for him as if. sex was not a reason, sex was a cherry, the reason was that you lived in moscow and the apartment, yes, but he himself said, well, with a mother with an apartment , he strives for success. uh-huh and at the same time, he can eat, apparently, there to use

common places, use, and so on, but not to give you money for this, but money put it in a box later or spend it on someone. so it turns out. yes, the path from above is the path to success for a man, and here are your so-called friends, uh, in the circle that your spouse brought out. initially, they were always on his side, or someone there said. listen, everything is fine there, in general, you know, it seems to me that this is what decides the picture. it's great for them too. firstly, i made a picture, and secondly, it became decisive just the same , we say that a person is holistic. yes, you do not need to look for a soul mate before him, i also lived even when she lived with him. um, it's like i'm philosophizing there. everything is beautiful, i say. i’m saying everything correctly, but the integrity of everything else and i live there in much the same way after him, but for some reason i was very strongly influenced not even by him, but by my

environment. since these people are there with me there are the very diapers, and we were friends with the nursery, yes, and they grew up, as if i grew up in their environment there for 30 years. do we know each other. and what is their influence? hmm three questions? what was his influence on them? yeah well, there's the story with these pills for grandma. here it is clearly, probably repeated in each of our friends with the move, in my opinion, this word should be changed , they all say that this is the best sympathetic friend. damn yes, he is the most perfect man. here is one of them. kinet, yes, they themselves are now aware of it, but they know there are such people when she asked the question. why did they decide to stay with him, especially in such a difficult situation, when he took this apartment from me, and he took it completely illegally. also in the case

, the documents also turned out to be altered by him. this is a treaty purchase and sale. and let's go back, so here's the betrayal itself and what happened, then they could evaluate the order. yes, so that we can appreciate the reaction of your friends. well, or doubt, for example, your picture of the world, what happened? what was the betrayal? well , let's start with the fact that we've been here throughout our lives. i am the first thing that he very strongly suppressed me by the fact that he, i said, he did not let me out, anywhere at all. that is , everyone is interested in all my talents, he skillfully extinguished, as if i were there, for example, here's an example. yes, i'm good at drawing. eh, he draws very well, that is, people there offered me to participate in an exhibition there. he won't let you. no, he allowed it, but you know, so i, for example, will draw a picture that people want to buy, even i put it on the balcony, i think, well, now he will come home from work, he will come in as soon as he sees me there. well, i went in and saw a smoke, and in general, i didn’t say a word, and

the man didn’t say a word. well, as if i, as a woman, immediately think, i am not worthy. i drew badly. i'm there and that's the same in karaoke. for example me i sing beautifully, we turn to karaoke , the presenter approaches us. he says, but no one sings with us. for example, yes, and you feel no, then i sing badly, then i don’t do it that way. well then it can openly say, listen to how beautiful the girl sings there is some other. he conquered you at the first, which means he pulled it all up, and then yes, lower it. yes, like a spider, it means that it has entangled the cobwebs of this clatter fly and let 's dip you into a cruel reality, but friends did not see this, and friends, apparently, were like that a loving husband is so caring , attentive, admiring his little level. yes, they seem to be not very distant yes, and they were more important to them than the picture than the essence of their common interest. you know what happened they have very interests. they are just

like him, so we spent all the holidays in the kitchen. everything, that's for all our years lived there, maximum. we were celebrating, there are all birthdays, all holidays. naturally. i am human. for example, i like to go to the theatre. and to the cinema to fly abroad there go to a restaurant you imagine it got to the point that he constantly says, there is no money, i say, i have them, let's go. i'm just saying 500 rubles. we’ll spend the unfortunate ones, we’ll have pizza there, we’ll eat, we’ll drink coffee near the house. no, there is no time, no money. here you are bad. you don't understand. this is, uh, the main psychological trauma, which is now just starting to recover a little, but does not let me go. e our divorce. and our scandals all happened due to the fact that, besides, besides, we have booze, there is nothing in the kitchen, nothing in life, and at some point i became freaked out myself travel. there i flew to rome there to

france another somewhere else. yes, but he, but that 's all, so i was a nonentity. so i flew away , you are so he is at this time for now. for example, i'm in france, yes, at the same time, i say, here's the money, i bought you a ticket. fly with me, i 'll pay for everything. i paid for the hotel, i paid for germany on valentine's day. i have such a holiday there, and you understand, he comes and does everything, perhaps, so as not to satisfy. this is mine, so that i can sit at home, so that here i am in the kitchen with him tinkering somewhere. wait let's stop michael why is he doing this? the answer is very simple he is a psychopath. well, that is, what gave him pleasure, what power? and just power, of course, he is. well, how is this task to use to survive to throw out about that out of the corner of my eye to look, if suddenly there is something there again to use it, so for a long time they didn’t leave it, because here’s another thing when i travel victims. yes he he means with these friends in front of us. yes, she left me. he

tells it in a completely different way. i'm even already in the car in dash cam when he comes tells people. she hits me. she got me there. wait. did you recognize it? it's from a dvr video recorder. no, i just tried. and friends we have one conflict happened in the car. eh, when is he there? well, he insulted me with foul language there . yes, it's there and i gave you, yes, and i'm still friends when they say, why are you hitting sveta? why are you insulting him? you sent him. you called him there like that , you are so slender fragile, so a girl with figure of a ballerina. you killed him. all right, and you 're showing the video of this dvr footage. they don't believe? i say, that's not the way he says, listen, no. but no, well, they believe, as it were, but still, for some reason, the conclusion remains. they have good mistakes. maybe only a spiritual strong man. you know about friends. here, let's talk about such an experiment psychological. and this is me in my group.

i do this sometimes. here i put several people in a circle tightly there, and then i ask one person to stand with their feet on a chair. yes rise up. and i ask those around me what you feel now and what you want to do, which means that the first in popularity is to pull it down, yes, then they stop, as it were, well, feeling discomfort uh-huh the second most popular answer is to move as far as possible to he well, not so hung, and the most recent third in popularity, 5% of the answers. this is what help to rise to become next to her. yes? this is impossible. it's better to look for people who will also want to stand on a high chair again. the second is better to surround yourself to the people who are already on the chairs next to you. and as it turns out, those people

are happy to say, come on, here 's a ticket to germany, here's something for you, that's all for you, right? uh-huh now, if you try to live next to such people, at least there will be more happiness in life, it’s, well, after all, we are a problem, that i understood it all once again appeared in your life, and he appeared as a maniac because she saw him . she was fascinated by him. she dragged him about you. that's the main thing, of course. another moment that my ex-husband came to these friends, and for some reason they told me that and sveta considers you rogue. she considers you unworthy of yourself no matter how many times i try to explain that guys. i will always help, as it were, on the contrary, i strive there, i call you somewhere. and i'm all that the problem is, what are you, uh, called once. they did not go, the second you, strive, you were devalued the third

time you again. and you continue to pull them off , it's already better to live alone. you were technically a man's wife with friends. uh, with uh such a husband, who, but for the environment represented. in general, almost perfect party. you might be proud. you were never happy with him, that you are unhappy in the loneliness that you are now living in. you know, it seems to me that yes, pain and resentment, and it seems to me that the problem is at the moment. that's when i got rid of this environment, which yes constantly got rid of the inquisitors. but no , they got rid of me, because resentment, yes, very much resentment, very big pain from this betrayal. yes and yes. and when, uh, hmm , it's all gone, the husband is gone. the apartment

is gone. everything, tell a moment. remember the realization that everyone is gone the apartment is gone. maybe a wife. eh, my friends, well , first of all, it dragged on for a long time, because when i first learned about his betrayal for the first time. e. here i accidentally found a note at home to another girl there. here it is written. yes, congratulations. be happy little bear. so, how would he start telling me again, there weren’t even any suspicions, yes, in general, i believed to such an extent, in any case, in his loyalty and, again, the environment. here he is the only man of the light who will never betray you, so everyone changes. a he will never change. he's just up to it, but it's not a capable being. he loves you so much. he understands you, he goes to everyone and look at me, he came, he sat crying with us and here is my last time we had a fight before his already obvious betrayal. uh, because once again we decided to try again and i'm all for it. well, let's go get some rest.

here the new year has flown, the only holiday for all there for 5 years, we will normally celebrate, as it were, money again. no. i say, i let the money fly. he did everything possible that we would not flew away and when after the new year i found out. about this girl, that she brought me the most, probably, serious psychological trauma in my life. it turned out that in one month he spent more money on this woman than they even planned to fly away, for example, yes on this vacation, that is , he told me that there was no way to fly away. here, and i spent 15 to 20,000 a day on it and all those things, all those places, all those lists that i wrote to him. i want to go there to this museum to this theater there to this restaurant that's all he needs to get in. there for 5 years she showed and told in moscow he absolutely took her to all these places. that is, she is some kind of girl from the province. it is clear that she is completely different there and he arrived in my

car. that is, he told her that he says he bought an apartment from him, although he bought it. i like he showed up. naturally, he came with an expensive purse, which i gave as a gift, it is clear that the girl was so fascinated there. he was there on the first day without even seeing her. they talked on the phone. he already gave her a huge bouquet of 51 roses. although we started our relationship. i just begged for these flowers like this, because on march 8 without flowers there i say, well, you 're coming home from work, you can not spend money while you have it. yes? wow. so no, they even taught him, and the most interesting thing was that i tried to explain it to him, that here is a cat, you understand? here if we fly, this is for the two of us. it's not like you're doing me a favor by saying. you will also be lying on the beach there to get high, yes, when you flew away you were charged with emotions there. you saw the world saw there another life there everything you come you have more uh-huh disappointment. this is a consequence of

bringing expectations charm. yes, disappointment comes after charm. and the charm. this is from the word spell. now you know, we loaded you there. and the question is, what now? when to live further? i understand what her resentment is, this resentment is much stronger than if we are just there and only physically changed. she put so much into him, and he's just the scoundrel he took. this is not material. yes, this spiritual soul took away her material too to another girl. it's all invested. here is a betrayal of the capital letter. and what friends for sure. they understood it anyway, you told them you didn’t appreciate it, you don’t need such friends. you are not alone. unfortunately, because you continue to be in dialogue. you understand with these friends and with him, and until you drive them out with a filthy broom in your life.

you will not come to that saving loneliness that you now need as a gateway. this is even a girl. yes, i would understand if he really fell in love there they started a relationship there. well, i also used it. that is, he was her when i found out about her now. the main thing is to try for yourself. that's what i don't want more about him. i want about myself. yes you are part of uh this time you lost. unfortunately, but you have acquired something and acquired tremendous experience. you have purchased this vaccine. yes, from such people there are enough of them, well, a little bit a lot, but they are, they go. here in life they are looking for all the victims sticking, that they can take away, go further, and once in a while they succumbed to it, it means you are at risk. you can repeat it to him. this is not the first time. i had a situation when a man took me two mercedes before that. well, it was voluntary. and here again, svetlana and the first

and important do not believe you until the end. check, and here's what you check, you can't leave it under a question mark. this does not mean not to enter into a relationship more, but check there was such a stage when you say, when you realized that you were betrayed. they are already there not the people who should be in life and when when i realized this, and these people disappeared from my life, including my ex-husband, and it really became much easier for me. i started living in the first place, uh, since he took the apartment and took everything. i was left deep in debt because i had to live somewhere. i'm still there, and there i took out a loan and bought another apartment there. yes, i took out a mortgage. i needed to start somewhere. i needed to build a business. so i opened a production facility for this production, i also needed money. well, now business, thank god, is developing, but still need investment. and i was so high, because this time i realized that i can

really devote it to myself. i went there, read it , went to the hall. i don't know how to draw. this was the beginning, that is, all that was interesting to me was some kind of good stage, but then it got rid of the bad, but the good was not added. and yes it is. yeah, but there is no good or good, there is only what you want and in another way it is important to understand that life is undulating. well, it got worse. better. now you may again have a little swinging back into these experiences, into this pain , into this resentment, is not good, not bad. you are a living person. you may have some again, yes, the main thing is not the point at which you are the main trend. you know , i take this quite calmly, because i have been living like this all my life. i lose find. here from the bottom up from the top down. it's not me to that extent. allow yourself to do this emotionally as well. i'm currently

suing this apartment. yes, i really want you to win, well done. we are proud of the case , sue, but the fact is that now it’s still here these trials, they also put pressure on me psychologically, because he wins them. yes, but he wins them on the basis of forged documents. and this is injustice. e, despite the fact that, uh, well, here again, justice is just a judge, and the crime does not know, yes, that the documents have been done? why is it your job to show it there? eh, you know it's useless, because at the first trial. i came alone. and again , for some reason, it happened that he spoke so emotionally that i beat him, that i had 60,000 with him. yes, i took you directly understand the concept of svetlana is an enemy. your attempts to be honest open there don't work. you will always be when you are

honest and seek justice to be losing next to him, so your task is to prepare for interaction with the enemy to date. you see, all these events that were from the past, which are taking place by courts, are very stressful events. with so many good things going on right now. i just don't have anyone to share it with. well, due to the fact that those people left, no new ones were added. and i don't even have anyone call there to talk about something good that comes from their success in business. i can't now. why do you need to talk about this? why do you need to have someone say? wow, what a smart girl you are, and well done, a person needs a person. it's not just that, i agree. wait , well, just don't look there, don't you see? before my husband, i had such a life that i did not have time to take pipes there, that is, only

people. stop you had it yes means they wait never mind. this means that you are you know, really. i want to devote the joy of life to some positive moments. but they will somehow come new people will talk about what a pancake, what a cool you are. here come on and then for some reason they just disappear. give yourself time to build new relationships in your life. shawls including you yourself well, stupidly it happens, but it's nothing terrible and for any devastation you can fly like a fenist clear falcon, but yes, it's important, first of all, stop scolding yourself for it. uh-huh second, directly send them all. how perfectly fair said natalya yes, with a broom, clean it out of your head. these are all the people, thirdly, to give to other people. yes, well, somehow hook on yourself or hook yourself on them to arrange a relationship. and for this, time is time

friends. this is a podcast of the psyche, where i am a journalist, natalya loseva and a clinical psychologist does not give psychological sciences mikhail khors sorted out a rather painful story of our wonderful heroine, svetlana, and we are with great hope. we look to the future of svetlana, we hope that everything will not work out. creative industry podcast on channel one with you, as always, elena kipper, producer and clip maker and roman pockets , media manager and general director of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives and visiting. we have gitis rector grigory zaslavsky. hello and russian film director. anton migerdichev. good evening. lately, i have the impression that we have a boom in the performing

arts. we have people went to the cinema people and watch russian people, went to theaters. people go to musicals, there are queues everywhere, everyone wants to see something, new ones come out serials, and they all immediately start talking about them if you have similar feelings. well, it's not a feeling. this is in general, but objective data, that last year in the twenty-second , 24 million theater tickets were sold. yes , one could say that there is no boom, but it is quite obvious that, and tickets began to be sold in existence. the best and i was in belgorod in december and the director of the theater there, that he is the legendary director of the theater such viktor ivanovich lobachchuk. he has been running the theater for 50 years. and and he says i want you show. hey, go into the room. i say why is there, what is going on, he says at the bottom of belkovich, but it does not matter. i say, what year is the performance, but it’s been a long time, unfortunately, no, he’s talking about

the performance in two thousand and fourteen years alive. eh, let's go full house of course. it makes an impression. even if, uh, out of these 24 million, and someone went to the theater three times, then it's still, well, 8 million spectators. this is definitely not 3% of the adult population of russia, but six percent is obtained, and it may even be more and, uh, this suggests that, of course, interest has risen. this is good. anton for your man. all this year it was extremely uneven a year ago. if we talk about cinema, i had a feeling that it would practically cease to collect some halls, and not even because i left. the so-called foreign content is gone hollywood and it seemed to me that the time is not so cinematic. and what is there to empathize with the product that is often shown in the cinema, uh, yes, uh, society

is simply not able to, and indeed, if there is a year ago to watch the fees in cinemas, this is, well, an order of magnitude less than before all these pandemic stories, and relatively speaking, if it weren’t for cheburashka, who even cheered up e, we could say that all our attendance records, if we talk about the cinema, as long as they correspond to the pre-pandemic period. it can easily be seen from the data of the eggs, well, for the last two months i have been observing the situation in which there is a spectator in the cinema in the homeland. this is good, because in general, the culture of such mass cinema viewing is on the sly. it seems to me that not only in our country. well in general, all over the world exhausts itself due to

the emergence of so many alternatives. and that the person is simply not enough. in general, i still marvel at how people manage to watch so much serial content, as they say, that is now provided to them. it just needs to be a professional caretaker. that is, i can’t do this, so to speak, now they also don’t understand when a person, yes, another season to compare them with each other and discuss on networks. this is this is really some new type of person, ideal consumer. you know, like the stroganovs who watch anything 24 hours a day. it seems to me that there is, in addition to everything else, some kind of overabundance. that's all, and there is a certain danger of losing something in it. really worth it. i don't know, maybe that's my problem, but i often notice when a movie is from my point

of view. magnificent, he should, as it were, even gather the audience and should, uh, intrigue the viewer and somehow they should talk about him and he doesn’t exist at all and vice versa, as soon as comes out. uh, something not quite digestible, it turns out some kind of boom and so let's say, uh hype, as they say now, that is, uh, you can, so to speak, that the object of art is almost always matches the big box office with rare exceptions, of course, for the feeling that something so familiar to hear. and in this sense, i would like to ask gregory, well, well, this truth has always existed. here's the dilemma, that something real is being done. it is up to the audience, they reach or break through with difficulty, and then once something, it means that they sang and released a comedy on the screen. so she's humor below the belt and so on. and so, please, the audience went and so on. here you can have a lot of eternal eternal such a problem. well, yes, but here i am,

listen to anton and agree, and uh, different examples come to mind at the same time. when it was not so i agree. uh, because at one time, and andrei rublev was among the leaders of the box office. i do not agree, because everyone knows how menchov was offended. uh, when they didn’t accept his film shirli-myrli, and then uh, yes, and yes, people came out of the hall called it something low-brow and recently heard some story about how they sat and were completely upset about how they did not laugh at the premiere. they were sitting in the cafeteria of the movie house and already started drinking, without waiting for the end of the movie and people came out and saw them drinking and added more. uh, sadness with some of their comments, all these film critics, there are figures. eh, the great soviet cinema and not the great one either, and then several years passed and

suddenly it turned out that without this film we would not we can do a lot. eh, there you can argue how much of a movie it is or is it like that. uh, such a social masterpiece, in its own way, but yes value. of this product , filmed by a smaller one, it became clear a little later, and not at the time, e of the premiere. and i remember how many years ago. i ended up at a concert by stas mikhailov and on the one hand , he invited our graduate and stas mikhailov your graduates stas mikhailov graduation from the production department, guitar. yes, he is, he is his own director, that is, he is not only a soloist, but also a director himself, and now i was at this concert, and then i read how much he earns a year with his own work, and i can’t relate to this but go, because this is an honest work man. yes, another thing works, that it may not be exactly what i like in even this genre of popular song,

but it causes us great respect, an interesting topic, we have drawn. and this is not a matter of personal opinion. that is, that's what he meant yes, and when does a movie have a deep? the author, and perhaps, therefore, is not read by the audience for the most part, because that the statement cannot be sufficiently concentrated. in that. i wanted to say only one thing, that in the current situation, the very quality of the product, as such, is of equal importance to the way it is promoted. nothing else. that's the moment when andrey rublev came out. i'm more than sure there was no such situation. i mean, it was just, in many ways, a lonely masterpiece. now how? it seems to me that we are becoming more and more a sphere, services and music and cinema and television. we provide services, that is, often when i, for example, read some reviews on

some films i. i see the rage of people writing these reviews who do not understand. what it is is not clear to us, and then comes a layer of negativity of a different type, so, it seems to me, at that time. uh, when andrey rublev came out, the public tried not to advertise what they didn’t understand, because they yes, because it was embarrassing not to understand and they tried to understand, and this is this situation, which, the viewer we work with, is aggressive enough, uh, that require services. he should have fun. and this is a completely different form of presentation and in

these conditions. promotions of this are equal substances and one is impossible without the other and it is meaningless to say such a difference between the modern sphere in which the whole world is located, when everyone who, relatively speaking, has a phone, he is a documentary filmmaker. or maybe a director and try, surprise such a viewer who can film and edit himself and do whatever he wants with himself and become a journalist, a blogger, not a blogger, a singer. you can imagine, yes. and in such a situation, we all exist now. it is very interesting this is a situation that is fundamentally different from what it was even 20 years ago when yevtushenko wrote. such a poem begins to comfortably be not the stage of the audience, but to sit tugging at the program and calmly call the audience the play that he can tell you to me that yevtushenko’s position at this moment, as the author, is rather arrogant, but no one

today will argue with the fact that today is right this viewer will always be yes, and they will be guided by him and his position. yes, if these spectators, uh, get up and leave, if they don’t buy tickets, then the theater, it turns out, is not the time, and the audience and the question then was such a key was. what is it? it can be art, that is, mass, uh, a spectacle that is properly built for marketing, it can be artificial, but the role of art is more and that means those creators who are present in this art, but carry a heavy burden on their mission, that is, those creators who compose a marketing story, that is, there is some way out. it may be, which may not be a very good example, but e consolidate most of society in one hall and make him empathize, this is art, there is, for example, circus art, which is art, and it will reach out to everyone, regardless of

education. and so an accident is a common phrase. to some extent, for example, in particular. i'm uh doing that's what i'm trying to do. eh, an intelligible form often, there is aggressive, but at the same time tell. maybe about some things, so that it would not be boring. here is some square poster. the depiction of reality, by the way, works well in cinemas precisely because it allows to empathize together, and to some extent , american cinema began to do this. uh, now he's on my mind, quietly copy. himself for the last 10-15 years. there is also some kind of crisis, but, uh, as zhvanetsky said, it is the artists who must be successful. now this phrase most often has to be repeated to everyone, we continue the conversation with the creative industry podcast, host roman karmanov, media manager and

general director of the cultural initiatives fund elena kiper, producer and gluer, and our guest grigory zaslavsky director. he educates his students. he lays down a certain philosophy. like it or not , they come out with a certain spirit. yes , they are here they are brewed, there are predecessors. uh, here's how e is modified. uh, this is the inner philosophy in connection. well , this is a very important change. here uh, or or that's how it itself somehow here is the noosphere. this is the inner one. how does this happen? here you are taxiing there, there is no inside, we are taxiing, and we are engaged in fine tuning. yes, that is, naturally. today a young man has to or a girl has to to tell that there used to be radio receivers. and there were two such wheels, one wheel for coarse tuning, and

the second one for fine tuning. here it is. ah, fine tuning. she is changing, of course. and, of course, from what we did not teach and what we now teach differently is the ability to position oneself, and in this market, this is a job search. eh, because if a person does not know how. selling himself correctly , offering himself correctly, he will not be successful. i mean, uh, you can't say that it used to be differently. it's just that the mechanisms used to be different. yes, today this is a video business card. this is correct. uh, a prepared portfolio and this also needs to be taught. that is, if we just teach good artists, then they will be successful. e, not them, but others, but who will be able to do this, and plus these are what you can definitely call soft skills for the profession of an actor, because this is not literal. yes, not

acting in this place of movement. but this is , i mean, what today, of course, the artist can no longer be successful, but in what is connected, and i'm talking about the director more. yes, we serve the audience. this is one philosophy. we and the audience forced to think another philosophy. we don't care what the audience thinks. this is the third philosophy and so on. right now wait, i understand that young people should be confused now, in general, because they can see. uh, they're the same. in all this, they watch serials at night. so they actually bathe in this, in general, and come to your university, who are considered successful , start there, which is now preaching higher education. uh. naturally, we meet our students with our outstanding alumni. recently, we had a meeting with alexander access , a wonderful e-producer, and he, among other things , told, and it seems to me, that for today's producers. this was also a good lesson, because today i often still

don’t know how, the guys come and say, well, yes, what is the salary? well, of course, in the hands of 100, says a student who still does not know how. and he doesn't even have a degree. and we told the toast how when you invited him somewhere in transcarpathia, they met and one anatolyevich vinokur invited him to quit running the circus at home, leaving the circus. uh, he came home to the chicken and called, he opened the door and alexander leonidovich realized that he didn’t even recognize him here. who is not that he seemed to have forgotten what he offered him and he says, well, i'm ready to work for free and at the moment you need me, you will start paying me a salary. and this is a very honest approach for that at the moment when he began to pay wages, apparently, vinokur could not take, in principle, a step out of the apartment without the help of this director, then another word is the producer, who was not there. but this is the understanding that you have to spend some time trying to convince that

it is impossible to do without you. this is also very important art should continue to educate. still, entertain. here, art should both educate and entertain, you know, there will always be an example for everything. eh, yes, that's how my mother says, don't eat there. this is misha my brother. once i ate stomatitis from him, it was not there, that is, my mother was an example for everything. e of our er big family life, and therefore er, we can say that at the performances of merhold in recent years there were half-empty halls, the jewish theater of newspapers, which was in the building of the current theater on bronnaya where konstantin bogomolov works today, he, this theater was closed because no one went to it. my mother told me that her parents. it was just that at work they offered tickets for free and people no longer went. even those who knew you were coming, although naturally, there were fewer and fewer of them, and these were great performances. eh, on the other hand. right. tabakov when he says that the theater is impossible

tell say there is a great director, but at his performances his performance. no one has ever seen a person die and continue to tell how it was brilliantly funny. it's just funny or this performance was seen and, uh, a sufficient number of spectators will say, yes, this is one of the most powerful impressions in my life. or no one saw them, and then no one will ever believe that it was a great director. excuse me, i'll leave right away. yes, i distribute money for art normally. uh, let's talk a little about this topic. e on far i love the east very much, the far east because i myself am a far east and i have always been a little offended by the inattention to the history of the far east, which, in general, the wild west will envy, generally speaking, the development of the far current of siberia and so on. here, there are guys who make, uh, a cartoon movie about the daughter-in-law, uh, not in

the forest. he. eh, there are werewolves inside , he's some kind of superhero, so the king-priest. obviously, it's there too. he says where the flag is raised, it should not be lowered there , that's all, but nevertheless such a fairy tale in which there is no risk. it's just such a superhero, and when i posted this video on my telegram channel, it means that people came and said. well what are you doing? why do you turn it into a non-risk character, it means some american comics, and so on, what they said, listen to it, it will be cool if through this the children pay attention, in general, to the figure of the admiral and so on. this is the transformation of the transformation of adventure history. really. well, really about his non-siberian far juice, this is extremely exciting this is how you feel about this genre in general, as i understand it all. there is a fundamental difference to find a common language in the modern viewer to be him, of course. this is one situation, and

the second is stupid to indulge him to do. it is absolutely mechanical, relatively speaking, to read. uh, that he consumes such and such a product, where, relatively speaking, some character wolverine does so, let's now have the russian admiral do exactly. they also hawala and so on, and they will tell you what you are doing, and you will answer but we attract interestingly. so you know, here so. subtle things they are largely based on an understanding of their activities, that is, there is the concept of a producer's view, which is more cynical. your task in two weeks is for you to see as many people as possible. at least the grass doesn't grow there. this one approach is an approach, after all, when there is an author who is responsible for the fact that he puts his last name, you can’t get it anywhere under this.

10 years will pass. it will see everything. and all this will return to you in a completely different way and therefore, again yes, to seek a common language with to be understandable to the audience, but in no case should he stoop to his low-grade taste, i will say a banality, but it seems to me that this is the answer to your question. ah, but excuse me , but the mythologization of the hero is a common situation. how much do we know? eh? well, we know, we don’t know, but at one time they tell us there that there were deer tales. yes, lenin came and he was two meters tall and so on. that is, it was during lenin's lifetime. and when he died, it means, no, he did not die, he came, there and so on. and also the most was about suvorov during his lifetime. yes, not about what is there, uh, alexander did not die, there and so on. but there really is a man a hero. he is a hero. here, just such a real , absolutely such a mythologizing consciousness

of the people, that is, there is nothing like today and, uh, there is no today, but it is always masculine. here is my consciousness. if we talk about soviet mythology, it suffered a terrible collapse, but if you look like that, this state could not exist, even a century with all these methods of propaganda with all this history and i have a clear understanding for myself that the soviet union collapsed when people began to carry western records and appreciate them as real art and even flowers in order to make such a person, this kind of mythologizing, which were then made, and not just pushed a person go out. from outside this culture environment. you know what i 'm talking about, and in fact, here we come to what we started, yes, when you do something

, you should do it. this talent would be doomed to make it talented, because if you do, it's mediocre you doom yourself to reproach - it's not so bad, but it has absolutely the opposite effect on your goals. yes, yes, that they watched films in villages in villages, when this is a great art that can get into the soul, that is, marketing does not matter here. another question is that competition is such a movie where you had to think to empathize and sympathize. yes, uh, but anyway. i also read memoirs of contemporaries, which told that people came to small houses culture and empathized with these films, because works of art and the fact that they simply cannot be made is not a talented movie if you go out to the audience, but the fees are now very different. that is , now the mountains are generally a phenomenal movie that would have failed at the box office. uh, a year

ago, cheburashka just struck. this wall is not trust in russian cinema. it seems to me that here he is, this flow. he must, well , now there was some kind of protest, as it seems to me, because they went. eh, all generations. here is one of few media beings who are so warm for first people of my age, as children, watched it, then they watched it with their parents, then they led to this cartoon, uh, offered to their children, because it's no secret that the nascent generation in our country. in general, the life of viewing in the soviet animation begins its culture, because somehow we all understand that it is safe. it is psychologically correct that

nothing will happen to a child, and the phenomenon of this cheburashka animal is that it really embraces the entire country and plus uh, of course there was a language found that did not contradict the understanding of this character in some way supplemented it here you can talk about something about your taste perception as much as you like, but this is a fact, because they went to this film for 4 months after the new year and continue to go to this day, which means that there is something in it. yes? i agree, but it seems to me that if we talk not only about cheburashka on some other films. i have it’s just that my daughter went to i haven’t watched it yet, in my opinion, it’s called burying ivan, this is from these yakut films and there was a full hall. call me commitment. yes, yes, yes, yes , i know the plot, you know, i want to still have not reached the cinema. but here comes the understanding that after all this kind of film is not the so-called first film. venda

yes, what do you need to let people see. this movie. they film it and lack some kind of hollywood. on new releases, it allows this film to last a little longer and, accordingly, get tu the very e cash desk that they deserve, but in a different situation. naturally, they would be swept away, new ones. eh, like gourmets. damn, not for gourmets, somehow a full hall is normal people sit watching and not a single star, even our russian one, even some kind of uh , at least some, as they say, sensational picture that came out. uh, very small print runs, and this entire room was made up of a selection of fairly intelligent people. i'm sure those interested in cinema, because it was not advertised in any way, knew about it only those people who traveled there to some festivals. here in particular. i went and was told that the yakut cinema is some kind of phenomenon, that they firstly live absolutely by their own internal production. they

play these films at home, which they do, they do not generate income. from this income they take off the following there some completely some interesting situation of their own well, of their national film production. by the way, this is interesting, a topic that goes against the grain. eh, all of the things that we just talked about, here they are, eh. enough protected from some flow, yes, and they did their art. their film screening and moreover, they delegate it here, and it has here, yes, the music has the same thing happening here, too, you know, we had a very famous producer not so long ago. eh, so he is. a. we still love prediction. here's how it will develop further, then he said that most likely. well, here is my prediction that in the twenty -third twenty-fourth year there will be songs based on more they will be popular, while it was a producer to be expected from, in in general, such a statement was simply

impossible. this is his feeling inside, that is, here are joyful songs, there is hookah rap and so on like that, we will go somewhere to emotions. finally, deep, because people have accumulated interesting things there. uh yes, as far as this movie is the only one much faster than well the process, maybe, maybe, maybe. tarkovsky may be this next year's business, and there another five 10 years will pass, and here you are, i mean, a new phenomenon based on the present. maybe, we'll go through this foam, now some kind of primary, and then it will begin, there are two formulations. if it's not about me, it's not interesting, yes, i want to see myself. and how then i will understand, and then i will cry , cry, laugh. this is one approach two. show me what i don't see in

reality. show me that story. i don’t want to see all this at all in my life , it’s enough for me, and now, uh, if we talk about pain, as a cut, which is now definitely present in our society, probably must works will appear that, uh, will dissect and artistically comprehend what we are now experiencing with you. it's archi difficult. i haven't seen one yet. a good example, to be honest, and people are afraid to take it on, because again, what we talked about, if you do it mediocre, the opposite effect is guaranteed, but within the framework of, in particular, what you said, and the success of cheburashka is it possible compare with the modern incredible success of the old songs on the main? yes, probably yes, they said correctly, in this something is a rethinking old songs about the main thing is the rethinking of new stars by stars. well, maybe some new arrangements have already settled hits, yes,

working ones. this is exactly the right remark. it seems to me that i have terrible information here that one way or another the market is now, uh, and more - it's a movie, someone will try it, or that's what anton was talking about, uh, for the needs of the audience or vice versa, taking him to another reality saturate. ah, the movie market. uh, it won’t work out quickly, because the production process is very long not only that, yana hears that cinemas, uh , are far from easily agreeing to rolling, but which are now being produced, it's true that here it is necessary to produce 10 times more than now. just you understand what's the matter, as i understand it. they will be some kind of distributors and will not even. chi is a producer, but i kind of understand that we are such a movie. yes, wide screens. for the last 30 years we have existed as a segment. your own national, if

you want commercial cinema in the global, and to be honest in hollywood, that is, us and criticisms were always written , well, almost like in hollywood, but, that one is better in hollywood but here it’s not in hollywood but he shot with such a budget, but he looks like with a big budget. do you understand? it was some kind of competition with the mountain, we are proud of what we have in it. well, i don’t remember now, exactly, he was proud of writing various studies there, that now there are already 25% of the domestic cinema market. hooray guys already 35 and here overnight. there are only 35% at best or 25 and hmm that backfires. cinema starts to fall because that a huge part of the audience went just like this here is a hollywood production and there. our cinema in this massive stream of viewers found its audience when it is not there, now we

collide. eh, literally with a challenge, when you have to drag the viewer to our domestic ones, and for me, to be honest, it’s just a miracle. what is happening now, now, anyway, there are halls and people go to the cinema, and all the cinema is still there and there, and i think, that's when it's still some kind, because according to my feelings hmm of such production , which would replace completely here is the product that was before all these processes. we, in my opinion, do not, but on the other hand. i see that the grid is a film grid. it is not empty, it seems to be some kind now. a powerful feeling of optimism appeared in the whole feeling that we are somehow recovering faster than the wave expected in other cases, by the way, this also applies to music, i must say. recently, i have also appeared such optimism and a variety of spectacular, er, events.

somehow somehow faster everything went and in general there is a feeling that next new year, well usually the most interesting period will be the dough of our company already by the elbows, in general this is such a time everyone who has invested a lot of money wants it yes. well, it's still business. what are we waiting for? from me here in this new year's salad or not? and katharina well, yes, i'm someone to try anything. let's talk a little about the young , we still have a little bit of time. here, uh, there is such a legend that we have. well, on the one hand legend on the other hand, there really are so many who are missing. and in the theatrical world, many people are missing, because the master has already grown up, someone has already left, somebody. well, i mean, if for natural reasons, someone for some other reason, and so on, all sorts of glades are released naturally for reasons, because, unfortunately, it's still, unfortunately, uh, not a single outstanding director brings up

a replacement. this is a well-known story when tolstoy was asked what he would be like, how he sees the future of bdt. and he says, well, after you, and he says, well, if i die on friday, then i hope that on saturday at the theater hang a bar lock there, this itself and this can be seen by everyone. yes, and the same according to mark antonovich zakharov yes, how painful after the departure, according to a contemporary after the departure of galina borisovna volchek yes, well, that's what she did, there she was a substitute for the artistic handle, who is chulpan khamatova, then, uh, garmash it’s clear that both he and she could not become thin hands, because when volchek became the chief director, she already had the experience of several productions in the theater. these were successful performances. and efremov, in general , i encourage all actors to try their hand at directing. there were no big

the artist next to tolmachevo kvasha everyone is sure to try to put something like this, someone more successfully, someone less successfully in a ray. it wasn't even very successful. like a double swing immediately like this. e, yes, one of the most fashionable performances of that time and the same thing, so wait and blame them for being and impossible. unfortunately, we have to end the broadcast here, i would talk for hours at all, to be honest, because they really said a lot of things, a lot of things they didn’t say, but, but we have there will be another opportunity. e aired on air in the next series on the air and the creative industry podcast and others. i'm sure you casts the area in the lineup. podcast, paws on this is our broadcast. this is where it ends today. good luck. thank you. thank you for inviting our guests grigory anatolyevich zaslavsky rector of gitis. and anton gerchachev. russian film director. roman pockets, elena kipper.

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