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on the air is a big game the world continues to discuss. the disaster that happened at the kakhovka hydroelectric power station and of course, as always, there there are different versions, the official version of russia

is the version of many journalists, including western ones, who indicate that ukraine was most likely responsible for what happened. there is, of course, a statement by western diplomats who automatically blame russia for absolutely everything, but i liked president biden's statement the most. let's get a look. what do you want to tell russia about the dam explosion in ukraine we are not leaving sir what do you want to say to russia we are not leaving anywhere we are going to help ukraine like this a joyful smile is immediately felt the lord of the world is laconic on the positive, but positive concrete. and, of course, the first question. i have

vladislav shurygin for you, a leading military expert. you know, of course, russian official statements, but i'm sure you know a lot more. in addition to russian official statements, what grounds are there to be sure that this was done by ukraine well, it’s enough just to look at the chronology of strikes against this facility on the hydraulic unit over the past year, that is, in total more than 500 shells, of which 600 shells were high, for sure, most of them were directly accounted for. well, because it is called a shield, that is, because the place in the hydroelectric complex, where water is discharged through, and ukraine has repeatedly reported on the hit. there are well-known data, more precisely, known in an interview with one of the american newspapers. uh, the ukrainian general

, who, in fact, organized this shooting, that is, that the object was seriously damaged and the object was actually, uh, in disrepair, was known a very long time, moreover, one must understand that all this year this object has been found. with a minimum load, because, uh, starting from august, the water in the dnieper begins to fall and at least it falls in the winter, starting from spring, the rise begins and now it is june. the beginning of june is always the top of the tent. in addition , water began to be dumped from above. uh, the zaporizhzhya hydroelectric power station threw a huge amount of water and in fact. uh, there was a water hammer. a. the dam is extremely weakened. in this case, even one projectile would be enough to just set off a chain reaction, so there's no doubt that it was, uh, ukrainian influence. well, it's probably hard to imagine that russia i wanted to say if the most important thing is that russia does not have any reason.

well, what is called trying to do this, especially when you think about a canal that should deliver water to the crimea, there is one more thing that was very important for us, for example, from a military point of view, to have reserves. which are, more precisely, ukrainian troops, which stand on the other side of the dnieper, they didn’t leave, then as reserves to the server, because this is important for us, especially in the conditions of the offensive that has now begun, so there is no doubt that ukraine is fully responsible for what happened, so listen, what the washington post wrote about this, and already several months ago. given the number of ukrainian troops and available ammunition, american and british military analysts concluded that the ukrainians will exhaust their military potential. even before the ukrainians achieve their goals. they took the advice and undertook a narrower company, focusing on kherson major general. andrei kovalchug was instructed to lead the counteroffensive in this direction. he thought about flooding the river.

according to him ukrainians. they made trial blows from khaimar, on one of the locks of the kakhovka dam, in order to make a hole in the metal and see how the water rises in the dnieper kovalchuk added that the test was successful, i want to remind washington a post that is extremely friendly to ukraine at the end of russia and they have a link to a serious ukrainian source. what is called there is nothing to add here? and now georgy monsters is with us on skype special correspondent of the battalions, alania ossetia and georgy as i understand it, you are quite dangerous. place, thank you so much for agreeing, and we, uh, will try to let you go, as soon as possible, the first thing i say is to ask you to bring your own story and tell what it is, what does it show? hello, i now i am on our bank of the dnieper

in close proximity to the coastline. there are no more than 200, even less than 50 hundred meters. now the enemy battery is working from the shore and is working. they are just the same in those places where at the moment our ministry of emergency situations is evacuating and, uh, military guys. and i was able to visit nova kakhovka new kakhovka is shelled for an hour, which i tried and shot there. e. i recorded about ten arrivals around the city, but it flooded, and all areas that go closer to the river. today level water drops. this is due to the fact that at the bottom of the progress, where the floodgates were opened, the water ran out. now they've shut down the water in there, apparently it's accumulating. we could just drive down to e. the dnieper river and below the villages are completely flooded. the ministry of emergency situations works here on boats evacuating people. that's it one by one. uh, now most of the people have already been evacuated

already working on requests, so to speak, and it's all in the atmosphere. so let's say arrivals. yes, right now. if you hear, i don’t know , the enemy’s battery is working in the headphones and even e let's say so to me. now it's not comfortable here. i don’t even know what to say about the guys of the soldiers who are now working and saving people. well, you should probably take a look. and what did i still manage to shoot in the city and you can ask a question that interests you. let's get a look. kakhovka, especially those that are closer to the banks of the dnieper, are completely flooded, flooded, basements , garages, uh, in some areas, the water reached the first floor yesterday. today

, according to local residents, the water is already on the decline and this is due to the fact that the water is running low. keeps the floodgates open, not progress, and now they have run out of water and as soon as it gathers there, they will open the floodgates again and the water will most likely rise again 2-3 m higher, and they continue to shoot at the city. i still think it will end. take care of yourself behind my back flooded stadium new insurance, as you can see the water level, the announcer reaches two or three four meters. this is the outskirts of the city near credit dnipro, the guys who serve here allowed us to shoot here in just 2-3 minutes, because everything continue to strike both at the dam and at

the coastal territory. here comes the water from here from the side of the river and judging by such a cold wind. right here, right after a few meters, huge masses of water move. opa. and here, right here. georgy thank you very much, we will let you go very quickly. i have to ask you one question, do we understand correctly that

while the city is flooded, how rescue work is being carried out, the ukrainian artillery is firing at those who still remain there and as a companion. that's right, actually this is what happens and just the same i became a witness of this being. now there on evacuation. there i also met a woman who had just been evacuated by our soldiers. she came ashore and asked for food and asked to be taken back to bring food. uh, to her non-walking neighbors, and she also told such shocking stories, there is a cemetery on the dnieper here and a little lower in the village it was completely flooded and fresh graves. i just washed the current along with the coffins and it is completely incomprehensible what is happening there. and what will happen after the water

it will also fall from there, given that this is an agricultural region, and here there are farms everywhere, for example, not far from literally 2 km away. and as this local resident told me, a there is a pig farm, where some time ago e during the epidemic. swine plague killed about 3,000 heads that were buried. it was not far from here that an a c catamolnik was organized. and what is happening there with him now and where it all will go, but the locals do not know, they have no idea and are very afraid. here in my opinion. this is the scariest thing, let's say harbingers, that is, the most ecological catastrophe that we all and we all warned, uh, and on the air and duet of this george are huge. thank you, take care of yourself and we hope to see you again soon on the air.

as for the international reaction, i will not cite statements from berlin, but from paris and from london, they all resemble each other, and i already cited them yesterday, but of course in this situation, and the reaction of those who enjoy serious popular authority is especially important. and who what is called the opinion of a more open objective. i, naturally. i mean to china and with us, perhaps, the leading russian expert on china, alexei maslov, director of the institute. countries of asia africa moscow university aleksey some kind of chinese reaction the chinese reaction here was unequivocal , and it was unambiguous as soon as the dam was announced. eh, at first

it was. uh, a standard statement of fact, and now china is saying that this should certainly be considered a terrorist act by ukraine that this is an environmental the catastrophe that ukraine, uh, generates and most importantly, that this, of course, is absolutely not justified. uh, action in relation to even the difficult situation that has folded, and this is also superimposed on the fact that china, uh , i remind you, has been making very active efforts for the last few months to at least separate the parties in order to achieve a positive reaction , at least ukraine, and now it turns out that not only there is no positive answer, but the emission of uh, the special envoy is dashing. she is, in fact, turned out to be unsuccessful with regard to precisely. ukraine and now uh, china is now uh declaring that ukraine, on the contrary, uh, is carrying out further escalation of interest and something else , not only china but also many countries in eastern southeast asia, for example, indonesia

, malaysia, which, let’s say, has a different attitude to the situation, of course, now they adhere to the version that the strike was , if it was from ukrainian territory and, uh, asian countries are generally very sensitive to this, so we see that uh, and a pretty good expert is speaking, they just some e applicants from different countries, but experts who clearly analyze. that's what we talked about here, to whom it was beneficial. from which side this is all a blow, of course, here the opinion is, at a minimum, about the russian and, uh, extremely negative in relation to ukrainian actions. one country that is also generally considered to be relatively objective and flexible with regard to the conflict between russia and ukraine is turkey and turkey did the same. today , some kind of statement with some kind of even initiative regarding the commission, and i

this occasion. in general, i didn’t really understand that russia and ukraine should supposedly be in this commission. well, what do you know about this ? yes, turkey was absolutely right in saying that it makes sense for permission. uh, for more information to know the commission is generally the right thing? uh, and uh, turkey hasn't announced. who specifically should be there, but uh, as we can see from various leaks. this is russia ukraine and they once said the third to the side is the same china, uh, because it is important now to really arrange everything point over and if we are talking about the fact that this was a planned act on the part of ukraine, and this is added to the events that have now opened in connection with the northern stream, uh, which is also clearly planned by ukraine , then this can be very serious. eh, the meeting of the commission, very serious conclusions, but i don’t think that ukraine will agree to the creation of this

commission, turkey here, just showing the initiative, is rather on the side of russia , i think i don’t know much here. so, i will now be guided by the general logic, they as godfather information, but it seems to me that it is very unlikely that ukraine will agree to such a commission. if only those third countries that will be invited there or turn out to be strange nato on the shores of which kiev can automatically count, but there is absolutely another aspect . they are an important point connected in general with the general political and general economic situation, and er, it is obvious that the situation around the hydroelectric power station and around what is now shaping up. this is even more distant. at least there are some hopes for a settlement, and it is obvious that it is precisely turkey and china that

adhered to what is called, as it were, pro-russian neutrality. now it will be even tougher to say that ukraine is not a party to the negotiation process because of ukraine. uh, other countries that absolutely dictate their will to ukraine. i'm afraid you 're right, i wouldn't like to agree with this, but so far i don't see any reason have a different assessment, and senator vladimir i have a philosophical question for you, but a question of great practical importance. if we come to the conclusion that this crime was committed by ukraine to what extent do you consider other countries of the collective west responsible, and first of all, of course, the united states great britain well , such an organization in europe as the european union well

, i think that the events of recent months, well , last year, at least they showed that ukraine is absolutely not an independent player. and even such major operations that she is conducting or trying to carry out were clearly not planned in kiev, but were projected, either in london or washington , or these instructors. these countries came to help ukrainian colleagues. i think that the whole problem is that what is happening now is once again pushing us. in the sense that ukraine is turning into a terrorist country. yes, it is clear that this is a serious accusation, which will be very difficult. in general , this is, as it were, strangely accepted by the world, such an opinion on ukraine, well, there is another way out. just no, look. so they declare that it is their earth that demands her immediate release.

the beginning of negotiations on the condition that russia will return everything will return to the borders of the ninety -first year, but they don’t bomb their land , they don’t blow up dams, they don’t make them unusable, which means that since they do it. so it turns out that de facto they recognize that this is not their land, this land is the territory of the russian federation, although before the yura they believe that this is their territory. i think that's what you just said. oh the commission is very interesting, alexey i think you are absolutely right not will go, ukraine to any commission. you will remember the minsk processes. after all, they were dragged there by force by the french and germans. here ukraine did not want to go there and when these processes were going on. here she is now, colleagues of the senator from donetsk, uh, they said that even when these processes were going on, and they, in general, played the fool there in essence. representatives of kiev were dragging out time and the fact that today poroshenko literally said that he had done everything

that this peace process was supposedly developing, but in fact he called nato instructors and asked urgently prepare the ukrainian army for war with russia by the way, i think that when it will be created, and for some reason i am sure of this donetsk international tribunal. those persons who will sit in the dock, because he did a lot to ensure that ukraine has turned so that he sits, uh, first to catch, therefore, i think that , unfortunately, for now, i’m already watching yesterday ’s meeting in the security council . well, this is the impression that we all spoke different languages, they are spoken white. they want black ones , you know, and this is the impression that they there are smart people and the americans and the british. actually. everything is well understood. well , they play so amazingly skillfully for a fool that many begin to verify them, but this is outrageous.

many, many years ago. in the first half of the eighties, and i was in a beret. i then wrote regularly as a columnist for kristin smolensh, but sometimes i was allowed to write long articles for the new york times. and so i wrote an article about the role of syria in the middle east and in. in general, i treated with more, if you like, respect and took the president of the garden more seriously. senior. why was it accepted in america, but in america then it was accepted to publish such opinions if they were informed, what is not now? what is not now, in general and in this context, i called a high-ranking white house official whom i wanted to ask him a couple of things about the american assessment of syrian actions. and then i suddenly

said. well, if you have such an article, you probably should say. what we think we are is the reagan administration what we we believe that uh syria is responsible for the american citizens in lebanon. i tell him, actually, that's when you're in a beret. you do not hear that the people who are accused of these terrorist acts are under the control of the syrian special services. uh-huh, he tell me it doesn't matter. these organizations exist under the patronage of syria without the patronage or at least tolerance of syria, they would not be able to do what they do, so we believe that damascus is fully responsible. but i said

that actually, if that's really the point from the administration's point of view, then it would probably be more effective to convey it not through me and the american newspapers, but to say, this is directly to the syrian leadership. i didn't tell you. don't worry, we already did it, and we warned them very seriously. if anything else happens. sometimes i use my favorite expression of the minister of foreign affairs. lavrov you will not seem a little. i don’t know, but perhaps the translation is like this. so here i am a little free, but, in principle, it was such a meaning and you never know because the american battleship arrived. new jersey. you are probably familiar with him. vladislav is not personally familiar. what it is? i

personally didn’t know him either, as it were, but he fired huge huge projectiles , and when they are called landed on a target? or maybe not according to the goals around some places. you began to shake his mountains in the full sense. why am i saying this? i'm not saying that russia should act like america and of course the united states - this is not syria what is allowed, uh, and it's reasonable, it's reasonable you have to deal with syria, not necessarily. this is what is called a model for how one can address the united states, but what is useful to do about the united states is the next question. this is a question for the supreme command and also for the national security council of the general staff. here. i

want to ask you as a leading legislator. do you think that the collective west has given russia enough grounds? to hold the united states, more broadly, nato, the european union, responsible for those acts of terrorism that originate from the kiev the authorities believe that yes, you know, today i was pleasantly surprised by the speech of the chairman of the upper house of the pakistan federation and in the plenary he understands what is happening at the present time. he says that we need to cooperate more closely. to be honest, i'm pleasantly surprised, after all , pakistan seemed to be far away from us on the ships. today, valentina ivanovna

matvienko said angrily, here. that is , the senator about the events, but with kakhovskaya, yes, and made a proposal to prepare from federations of appeals to all the parliaments of the world, because the analysis showed that these appeals reach them and when it comes from there. there are guests from these parliaments, speakers and other parliamentarians. they say about it we got a lot of things to become apparent. now. i think that the next two days after the presentation of the chairman to become the federation from the appeal will be ready, and it will be sent out. eh, in general, the parliament of the world. great . but i want to tell you that as a citizen of america and as a person who has many former colleagues and friends in washington. i'm afraid it is may not be limited to them, uh, appeals to appeals.

and that some more concrete things might happen for them, and i consider the biden administration fully responsible for the fact that it ideally takes such a risky course in the conflict in ukraine and around ukraine that the administration does not explain the war in any way, does not explain to the citizens of america what there may be consequences, you know, the president of france. he wanted to deliberately draw the united states into a war against germany and japan. he wanted american public opinion, this is not was roosevelt ready and patiently working on it? well, of course, an attack on him could have been somewhat, but for american citizens it was not a shock that the united states was in some kind of serious danger, and

the average american he knows nothing about it. he has the feeling that, in general , the russians are beating the poor unfortunate ukrainians against the ukrainians with the help of the west , resisting well, and since they are resisting well, they want to resist, then this is, in general, politically very beneficial for the united states. and how it could boomerang america. this is an absolute surprise for the vast majority of citizens, but before we talk about it. and we'll talk to our american experts in a few minutes. i would like to ask you vladislav what is happening on the fronts of ukraine, do i have the right feeling that after the silk of this terrorist action and everything connected with this environmental disaster, but some kind of increased activity was not

noticeable. this is wrong. well, uh, yesterday it could be said that it is, but it is was connected, not so much with this disaster. how much with the fact that the previous 3 days, that is , the first stage of a large offensive that ukraine launched and which, most interestingly , it does not recognize. this is generally a new word in the art of war, when tens of thousands of soldiers go into battle. and the entire information machine of the state. you say nothing happens. no one is going anywhere, there is no offensive. it's just that local fights are correct. america says they don't involve ukrainians. they say they don't fight like this after three bad days when ukraine will bear the ukrainian army, suffered very heavy losses, and in none of the sectors was it able to fulfill the so-called immediate task, that is, to wedge into the defense of our troops. and this was a task, as it were, a fix, because the further development of the offensive begins with it. if he's lucky. they were forced to take an operational

pause to regroup. and today from lunch. they again launched an offensive already in a different area. as a matter of fact, on the one about which we have spoken here several times , the main threatening offensive is on so max zaporozhye direction. uh, coal miner, and we, as it were, proceeded from the fact that all other directions could not be auxiliary or distracting even today, while we are talking, very heavy battles are going on. they immediately threw into battle almost five brigades in the area of ​​​​everything in the area. in the area of ​​​​ugledar, the direction to takmak is obtained, if you look at it approximately in this area, that is, this is the area that is directed to melitopol , that is, if you look like that, then they are, as it were, trying to enter from here. here is located. takmak, that is, management, which poses a threat to e land bridge. crimea for sure, that is the main task. taking. tokmok cut the railway communication, and further, moving to the side.

uh, cut berdyansk in this case , at least if possible, if you manage to keep the land road under angry control, but they have the ideal to get out, either, respectively, to melitopol, or , respectively, to berdyansk, but i repeat , the fifth day has already begun, the offensive . no results. this of course makes them it’s scary to be nervous, so today they really started to throw such forces at e that, in principle, they should. well anyway, but bring some success. here at the moment when the program began i was reading my own. and watched, uh telegram-channels in the battleships, until the ukraine did not get any of this, of course makes them terribly nervous, because it is obvious that the unsuccessful offensive. in general, this will be a huge political collapse, first of all , because it will be clear to everyone what a political collapse is, not only kiev, because kiev is in this case just a puppet unit, and this will be a very serious political blow to washington, which needs to prove that 60 billion was not spent in vain,

that the army is perfectly prepared, that weapons and money for arming ammunition have been delivered, uh, all decisions are correct, that's right, because here's your success. if it works, all this is given, success. no, then, of course, this calls into question the entire military policy in ukraine, and this will be the answer to these questions. we will no longer ask, but opponents will ask bidens and answer he will have nothing for them, so you need to understand that yes, the next week will be a very difficult fight. ukraine will drop everything they have, and not because they want to, uh, last friday they asked to give them a timeout to pause for 21 days, because the first 3 weeks are probing the fights. they didn't give anything. and moreover, the losses that were suffered by the strikes on the warehouses at the places of concentration were such that they demanded they asked for more time for resupplying in order to bring and receive more ammunition equipment, but uh,

general milim refused it. he said that the president demanded a result, so they would be driven into battle and they would go. they go there quite in desperation, because in this case it doesn't, uh, sound literary, but it's right. the loser is nothing. they need to portray at least some success at any cost. thank you. let's go to the commercial, and after that, before we resume our discussion, we will contact washington, where our regular bishop brand experts are located. and, of course, we will listen to the opinion. eh, the wise one seems so. there is an opinion that intelligence professionally enough anyone can judge this delusion is based on a deep study of detective novels to understand the essence of the matter. we only need to know the following. the first in the city of darget under

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special operations and ukraine, they were preparing an explosion at this time on this day, it was planned for a long time and they were preparing for it on the other side, they were already in a hurry to blame russia for this from the right bank, not long ago, they threatened six months ago, as well as the sudden visit of the british minister to kiev, when he arrived, gave permission to press the anti-freak button tomorrow on the first air, a big game in washington, outwardly everything is calm, as if the events in ukraine are taking place on another planet and do not directly affect interests, and i would say security.

blowing up the dam may not be good for ukraine, but it will hurt russia even more , which is why the ukrainian government considered destroying it in december . as a test case , as more and more facts emerge , the veil of mystery is being lifted more and more as to what happened to the dam . any sane person would conclude that it was probably blown up by the ukrainians, just as the russian gas pipeline, nord stream, was not blown up last fall. and for us to understand each other, so hands are not a professional

friend. e russia he is definitely not russophists, but he was not a merman either. and he's, uh, a leading american conservative, and that's what he says he thinks of many on the right wing of the republican party. but it is now a minority that has opened up, even in the republican party itself a minority, at least on the issue of foreign policy, and therefore these voices are interesting and encouraging. but unless, from my point of view , something happens that makes american citizens realize that this war is about them. until that happens, the voices of carlson's attacker, but i, uh, will not say that these are the voices of loners in the desert. well, in general , these are certainly not the voices that determine the political weather with us now via skype from washington, mark the bishops with mark are very

happy to welcome you. and mark is now, uh, the lead consultant on the issue of public security and has been for several years columnist for the international issue of national interest magazine and mark a regular contributor to our magician program again thanks for taking the time. and on explanatory here is this reaction. in general, who they are is somehow very calm about this blowing up of the kakhovka hydroelectric power station. well, speaking of which, they haven’t figured it out yet, but we will be in contact with our ukrainian partners. let's ask them. what is happening at the same time they say in advance that no matter what ukrainian partners tell and what sins they don’t admit to you, the united states will continue to blind people. dmitry good evening, as always,

it is a pleasure to talk with you. i thought that we are now seeing a replay of what happened with the northern stream, when everyone reflexively blamed russia for this, they said that for some reason there was an interest in russia to do this, although no one ever explained. what exactly was this interest, and after that it turned out that the so-called pro- ukrainian group did it, then they said they did it. uh, independent elements within the ukrainian state. now they finally say that did it. after all, this was done by the ukrainian state, and that the united states knew about it a couple of months before it happened, and i , as the person who covered these events, also knew about it. i wrote a lot about the nord stream of feeling. therefore, when such, when such

a thing happens, the most responsible measure is not to blame anyone and to collect facts is the behavior of the responsible responsible party. uh, and i hope to see uh, an independent investigation into what happened. unfortunately. we will see none of this and there will be a repetition of what been from the very beginning of this war. it's that the west and the west dash ukraine and russia are in two parallel informational realities and about every thing that happens there are two versions and the western dash the ukrainian version is the russian version you know, in this case for me it's a rather gray question, because when we talk about nord stream. it was obvious, and who benefited from it? to blow it up in this case for me is a little more of a gray matter. uh. i

can give a whole range of reasons from the ukrainian point of view vision. why did it cost e to blow up this dam, but i can give a couple of reasons why it would not be beneficial in ukraine should therefore my position? i think the position of any responsible person. this is not pointing fingers and collecting facts, alas, this is the unreality we are in now . you know the brand, i agree with you and disagree. i agree that a responsible position. this is of course to study the facts. this, of course, is a responsible position and not to come and, all the more so, not to swallow the final conclusions. before the investigation had place. but when does such a catastrophe occur, when do people die? when thousands of animals died, which were there in some very large park where

they were kept, well, when a significant part of the people, in general, on both banks of the dnieper, in general, it will be difficult for them. uh, at least in the near term to return to normal. here in this situation, the president of the united states to say we will not change anything in our support for ukraine then, forgive some damn investigation, if the decision that ukraine must continue to enjoy full american support, no matter what. i want to tell you when you have determined what you are going to do. try to conduct an objective investigation after that. you have already seen an objective investigation in 2002 200. in the year of iraq's role in the production of weapons of mass destruction, it was first decided that

a war on cancer should be started. at first, it was decided by all the american government agencies involved in the decision-making process, including the cia, which was supposed to give its analytical estimates, because. they knew what was expected of them, but so they helped, and we knock powell, who was then the secretary, and i shake a test tube in the united nations. he claimed. what he didn't know was that this test tube had nothing to do with the real weapon of mass destruction, and he said that he sincerely believed. he says he sincerely believed. that , uh, iraq was really producing something that was banned by many rounds of sanctions, and that cancer is definitely a thing? it's no coincidence that this i remember. in short, he was a director then.

and it was george thethenode who helped convince, and colin paulo from pavel's secretary , that indeed cancer was a weapon of mass destruction. i knew a little. uh, george tennet and the center of the national interest, where you and i both worked at the same time. uh, we even hosted a dinner in his honor. and where are we, as if celebrating his merits, and he noted. how should we help financially . well, then it didn’t occur to me that a was capable of such a lie, and then it turned out that he was capable, because i really wanted to stay as director of the cia, and he was a democrat himself. and the republicans were in power. remember president jr.

well, uh, cirrhosis did what the cia’s personal director should have done, if the cia hears biden’s statement that the united states will continue to support ukraine no matter what. what do you think, what are the chances that this will not affect analysts? dmitry i, unfortunately, there is a very unhealthy tendency unhealthy from my point of view, as an analyst who really wants to know the truth and wants to and thinks that it is important to have all the facts about any situation. and to begin the conclusion about washington's conclusion that russia must lose at all costs and and if we have already made this conclusion, then nothing can change our trajectory on which we are going, except for a significant

change on the battlefield such that the white house says, that the idea of ​​a ukrainian victory is not realistic. at least in the form in which we present it. i completely agree with you that this is an ecological disaster of epic proportions, and we many years. let's study the full implications. it's more now happened and it's a tragedy for the locals for the animals. for this country, for ukraine, but uh, i'm worried that western leaders, if it comes to this, if they have to, if you know what ukraine did , that they'll say what they said when the ukrainian missile hit harder. i think it was already many months ago. we have been for the last year when they said, yes, it was a ukrainian missile that killed two poles , but this missile is a ukrainian missile, not would have started if there hadn't been a russian invasion, and so it's still

russia's fault, which means they're starting from the paradigm that everything that happens is ultimately russia's fault because russia started this chain of events, and i'm afraid that's one of the things they can say, but you know, i think that in the end, these people live there, local people live there, and if you add all the disasters that we have seen over the past year. here, including depopulation, including economic destruction. uh i me me it's very hard to imagine how this country can, uh, continue in any stable form. and who will spend. hundreds of billions for reconstruction after everything that happened, this is really a tragedy. i think it's his humanity. you would like to ask the brand a question. i think that now there is no

direct opportunity to ask your colleagues of the american senators. there is no possibility. no, they have demonstratively refused to communicate with us for many years. although it is necessary to give due credit to konstantin posachev, whom you know well when he committee immediately sent a letter to the us senate with a proposal of cooperation that will be fine on the program tomorrow. so they did not even respond to congratulations from the elected chairman of the committee of the international senate. well, with that, you have a question for mark. no, i just said that, a very good thing. see. he says that there can't be a state that just doesn't produce anything. the americans and other allies give weapons, ammunition, perhaps food. but people still ukrainians are dying and this process e cannot recover so quickly and it cannot continue without