here, and then i had a story at work. i have one client there. well, with which it was difficult to find in general an extremely common language. in general, in the end. i started drinking alcohol at 8:00 in the morning. yes, yes, right from 8:00 in the morning. this is how it was, how often charging, how is it happening now? did you drink eight in the morning once, or did it become sometimes? no, that is. i just realized that the trigger is working for me now, that is, in the same place as everything happens. yes? first we smoked and drank, well, roughly speaking, uh, drinking money down the drain, these are all sorts of sayings. yes, i understand that if i go further, therefore, the paths, that is, for each of this stress, that is, we have not worked out all the stresses to the end, that is, well, it is impossible to work out all the stresses in even a month and a half. here i am, in general, again i say to the psychologist, eh. now i want to stop drinking, where

can i get such clients so that they come every month and a half with a new task . mikhail leave. okay. well, actually. here you can comment on what it was, that is, here i am listening to this whole story. i understand that something is wrong here in the reaction. yes, i want to ask alexei, here is alexei. describe to me, please, an ordinary normal day when you are not in a crisis. here, well, no in a crisis. here's how it looked or how you would like your usual day to look there in the morning, well, without stretching it, it's just cheerful there in the morning, at what time do you usually get up normal money without a crisis or from the eighteenth year. i started trying to get up at 5:00 in the morning yourself time to yourself. that is, what does charging look like. i ran to the park.

yes , uh, it was very difficult for you to seriously freeze into the ice-hole , it was very difficult. okay means ice-hole five in the morning exercise jog a few kilometers. yes , as far as they then ran home at seven in the morning already. yes, it was necessary not later, because there are five of them, you get up while you get ready at 5:30 there for six. you are moving somewhere. what is so came to zero here in the normal state of the resource that you consider for yourself. for such people, what happens next? then the working cycle began, i ate. everything you do is in the process of working. and well, the usual fuss began there, that is, until the situation of the 2020 crisis. what do you do at work, what do you like when you like it?

well, in general, the work was based on what i liked to create, that is, to create, how beautiful it becomes there, and here are the emotions of people, er, to see, little gratitude. here but until the twentieth year. it can be said that i lived not consciously, that is, the twentieth year. in fact, on the one hand it is bad, but on the other hand. he changed me and turned me around. wait, let's return to the state that you consider to be the right resource for yourself , without a crisis. yes, here in the work you like to give here you like to benefit people, come home from work when the money goes on not a crisis. well, then i had it in the evening. precisely i can sat down if i didn't smoke so strength, where do you take them met? why, in fact, until the twentieth year, i devoted little time to the family, that is, i did not betray this, well, they devoted some, but to my masha yes, it was with you that relations were not formalized, but you devoted little time to the wheel of life. i started going through this. after sinking to the bottom. so tell alex, if

i drop this folder from this height, what sound will be louder than if i drop it, from here it’s clear. it'll be louder here , it'll be louder from here. yes? well, obviously yes and a. the higher we lift ourselves up, right there, the harder it is and we will fall sick. here, you understand, if we demand ourselves as a mother, these are the accomplishments that benefit people, which means charging for 2 hours every day we will put them in the hole. yes, getting up at 5:00 am. and if we consider all this the norm, they are a pleasure. although this. well, wait, well, in fact, this is not the norm. this is an exception. this is straight up life. well, how would this acme be, you know, here is alexei , well, really, firstly in my life a person who every day for a long period got up at 5:00 in the morning dived in the breakthrough every day more than two hours a case of exercise, but you exaggerate they do

more than every day every day. that is the weekend. i rested. that is, i had it there, when i set the crosses right completely right for a month to sit well. you still forced yourself. well when i started out, yeah you know when you say you lay down. we slept on a bench in the park, you were out of the bedroom not because you wanted to connect with nature on this bench. until when the bums are already overcoming yes. and why should she drive herself in order to make it a habit for her to get up in am know a very useful question. why, why, in fact, after charging, when you first overcame yourself after charging , you have a high mood state, it’s clear when you get up in the morning, then you have a long day. it means you don't feel it. uh, wasted time is all pro-efficiency. we believe that you really used it for yourself. the mistake is that a scope is very high again here on the floor. this is normal

life. she's good, not good. yes, i would like to go there, but if we fall here in normal a life where some problems happen at work. excuse me, there are crises, some general economic epidemics. from here to fall here. there are far more diseases than from here to here. i'm not in favor of not striving there, i'm in favor of not considering that this is the norm. this is a podcast of the psyche, where i am a journalist natalia loseva and a clinical psychologist, candidate of psychological sciences mikhail khors. we analyze the current situation associated with burnout in search of the meaning of life. well, and other various crises of self-consciousness and charm before forty-year-olds. if you got up not at 5:00 in the morning at 6:00, if the run was not an hour, not two, but half an hour, if it were not every day, how would it be different from what you did, you understand, i counted all the time.

how far can i run? how much should i do? how much should i breathe? that is, i calculated all the time, that is, for my morning cycle. so, i then tried to rebuild my schedule quite tightly. well, of course , you can’t be in time everywhere, it’s clear that there is a failure? can i guess you are exactly the same in your work up there. i try, uh, to change after the twentieth year, because management yes , that's management there with its effectiveness. i didn't do this before. well, and accordingly, what happened to me happened. that's because stepping from one step to another, that is, you need to acquire new knowledge. i didn't have them, actually. because of this, everything broke down in your work, so you demand from yourself. this perfectionism is completely 12 diseases. yes, that is, i will say, so we became famous in our time. neat very work, that is, the field of finishing here works here and my hobby was to photograph this. i have all these here and i

have professional equipment for this to photograph. how we made the tiles there, the lines are clear. that's all. so i, when i posted these photos, then , in principle, the same people pulled up to me, and in fact, then it was already a little later . i already understood that perfectionism is actually, well, the best enemy of the good, because yes, because it begins to turn into a disease. that is, there he he has no limits. it's just the ideal. here, again, i went to a psychologist there, and he told me, you know that only god is perfect . and after that, even on my youtube channel, i began to change the promises that perfectionism drives us. in fact, somewhere there under the heel under some kind, that is, and this is it. even now i'm afraid of the performance. well maybe, maybe, here there are actually two kinds of collectivism. the first one is called perfectionism, the one you are talking about, yes, from which it is logical. yes , he is so neurotic, that is, a man, he differs from healthy perfectionism

in that healthy is striving for perfection striving as a process uh-huh while pathological perfectionism is demanding that perfection be right here and now how to aggressively differentiate yourself. here's how to understand? that i am no longer healthy. a healthy perfectionist, he strives for perfection with pleasure. he thinks what else to do to make it better, but does not suffer, if you understand wrong. and then there's pathological perfectionism. he's downright hurt. if something is wrong, if somewhere there is some shcherbinka not there, well, in construction there, yes, or something didn’t do something there, or one of the relatives didn’t do something, everything is in the best way , or if you didn’t get up at 5:00, but at eight everything is there day the day is over. you all married masha in the end yes, with whom you went through a crisis together, and what was her crisis? you said that it is just the same anxiety, it is transmitted. we actually lived. how many about two years in anxiety. this is money, that

is, money, money projects, that is, all the more so because of the pandemic history. a our faith is such that we do not sell food. that is, we have all these checks, well , quite large people are measured in millions there. respectively. they are clamping down. eh, more precisely, it’s not that people are clamped down into the stage, that is, responsibility, but the wife reacted in the same way or passed more calmly. well, masha supports me here, well, really, then she covered her, she works with you in the company. well, in part, i tried already less and less some, in order to use it, i was still worried. not at all the fact that she is all together, that is, her family helped. let's say, uh, save my company. that's what i'm very grateful to her for . so, accordingly, about finances, the responsibility for her also turns out to go to a psychologist, what

now? why are you still talking about the fact that i have a hard time now, and in december at the end of the year in january, in fact, i am completely and completely. it was the most difficult case, what happened? well, that is, these two years, that is, immersion, immersion in life . uh, now that's burnout. it already it was so. that is, i generally thought that i would not recover, probably not even. well, that is , attempts within 2 years, that is, to restore that, yes, that is. yes, i stopped drinking. i quit smoking. uh, what else did he practically stop drinking coffee? i will now applaud you why why? and because it was all a happy trigger chain, you know, i got more strength, but alexei says something to me, that's what you quit smoking there to drink

coffee, but you seem to know how well, quit and quit, that's fine. we need to go further strive for perfection. so it was, well, yes , here. what are you next? quit? now the next thing to throw away is the depreciation going on in your accomplishments? you see , uh, about the devalued achievement. yes, there is. i just, well, the document that i drew up for myself before going to a psychologist, when i had a serious condition in general. i uh had to see a psychologist and like, we are discussing something. well, when you come in without recording, yes, then you are there, well, a couple of moments decided to, uh, record a few there are days of anxiety, what is connected and everything, which means that i came to write like this with two sheets. it was a loss of faith in one's strength. e underestimating their achievements. that is, i can't do it that way, what others can do. that is, it's just there . in general, such a complete disappointment in oneself absolutely turns out. and by the way, by the way, then observation. eh, when i wrote it all down,

then i turn around and look, damn it, it's not like that, i just don't have any record of my achievements. and well , what i have is for some reason i do not appreciate it. uh-huh well by the way, i was recommended to do it, of course. well, taking into account the achievements, but unfortunately i didn’t admit that these achievements you have already achieved, that you do n’t understand a damn thing, and that they will definitely run somewhere further and be sure to achieve something again that you give us describe in crisis. people do not achieve this , people, on the contrary, lose it all. you understand why. here alexei is on. here this mechanism of soul-searching is completely different from the infinite. i think they are very manageable. is it by itself. is not pathology. this is what the network is to write to yourself, then these lists, which i am not satisfied with. and this is thirst thirst efficiency some kind of gluttony. that's it, within the framework

of effectiveness, very precisely, very precisely slava , i wanted to come to a psychologist. tone, that is , i noticed that the previous visits between such half-empty work was a fully paid psychologist's fee. here's a list of two sheets for you, sitting, deal with me again that the thirst for efficiency is, well, not that it's just bad, and not good either. but when this prevailing personality trait becomes we we become insatiable in this sense, and we do not see the value of what we are achieving, because we have, as it were, achieved, but this is not enough, we have achieved this, we still need little, and you had some episodes of your life now or a long time ago, when you were just unconditionally happy. you know, you just dropped a drop for the topic of being here now. well, that's what i didn't have. actually never in my life. well, not that, well, never in my life, probably, it's hard to say so. yes, probably already in childhood, yes in childhood. yes,

probably was, but remember in the camp. maybe, but it always turns out that you are a toy, they gave you a bicycle, they brought you a girl, uh, smiled, somehow kissed the girl. for the first time such acoustic systems are attached. ah, i brought it home. my uncle gave them to me connected, i'm like an amplifier, and when my floor of the house shuddered. that was then for real now. and remember this state. well, yes, yes. and when masha said that she was pregnant? how is it, by the way, by the way, you know how well, the child is. the moment is here i have practically lost this two years, well , the meaning of life is why there is no energy to live? i think, and what can give me the power of energy? i began to be interested, but from the birth of a child. does it give strength? i went to one there, a comrade, who was second to ride. so alexei

medvedev says to me there, lyokha's children are right here. i think so. so maybe it will give me more strength. here. well, actually, as planned. that is, she did it, well, as she announced, she approaches the hares to me, which i gave her something a long time ago, and i i want to tell you something. so, in general, here's a hare, and she came up and told me about it. well, probably that's it fully, just like, probably, when he appears. and so it is , yes, such a good uplifting, spirit. here is m-m. we still. it seems to me that when he is born, she will probably be more aware of all this the boy was. yes, let's get back to the meaning of life, shall we? why aren't you happy? this makes me happy? no, the fact of the matter is that it pleases, but it feels like it’s not enough, that there should be more joy to say the same thing

the most with e, with the meaning of life. well, i don't. what do you not understand, what do you live for? will there be an heir? i don’t know, let’s ask natalya natalya do you have the meaning of life you know for it globally you live, well, imagine, it’s easier for me, i’m a person of christian self-consciousness, therefore , it’s quite simple for us christians. well, you live so that at the last judgment, so to speak, uh , the scales swung in the direction in which you want to complete more good than evil, not envy, nor be proud of everything, be happy for thank you all. well, here we have a very simple banal. well, well, yes, here, too, there is somehow no such global one. i live to do something right there, yes, also a turn. it's me, too. honestly, i don't know. and why am i alive, i gave birth to three children. i have a silver wedding anniversary there, i don’t know there, i help people. well, so to speak, why do i live globally. the devil knows, yes, we will. come on philosophers. they are

all their lives, there are the best minds. uh, so in the history of the earth they did not know what the meaning of life is fought on these, but, nevertheless, mikhailovich questioned the meaning of life. this is an absolutely natural question of healthy evolution. well, they demand from yourself that you know exactly what is the point in your life to demand from yourself that very divinity. i must know for sure that i am the only person on earth who needs to know what the point is, and for everyone else he wants to make it measurable and achieve these performance indicators, and so that he has an annual report that i have planned everything. in the sense of life in this year i have. it came true calculated the debit of the loan, what are we to? yes, we mean that, of course, such a desire, it makes you, well, better and

stronger, for example, many competitors, but you are for the same desire. you can go and you can be manipulated. and it turns out that his vulnerable country, that is, when the excess is in something in some even very good one. uh, there in our business capacity. yes, for this inflection you can be used there to speak, but here it’s not good enough there, or there the price is reduced or something else, and and you agree. and yeah, they're not good enough, you know, so right here, you need to work on that, which isn't good enough. this does not mean bad, there is one circumstance that makes the conversation, it is especially important and great that you came to talk about it , what do you think about it today, here is a son in a month and here are the children, especially since your child is not so early. truth here children need to be loved unconditionally. i am very afraid that this is your desire to be in everything better to be in everything. how correctly michael shows

to the ceiling will spread to your relationship with your child to your expectations from your son 28 circles, 35 tutors. and even if it's not articulated, if you don't tell him every day that he's not good enough. i don't know, in push-ups , pyramid gatherings, or in learning languages, the child felt that you expected more from him. maybe just such a gift of fate for you, so that unconditionally love for your child is simple, because well, such a miracle is such here. here is your continuation, he already deserves your great love, without any achievements. maybe this state is a way out for you. yes you can get to love him and then yourself more. not for anything in particular. it's just like that. and by the way, there is a good technique here, one psychological one is to forgive yourself, but

because you, well, maybe you didn’t do something , as you would like, and why would you like to forgive yourself? what do you think, in what you were not good enough, do you have any claims to yourself? well, i adhere to such a point of view that it is pointless to regret the past, i cannot change it, that's all equally, that is, you need to change the future, in theory super. well, let's give a recommendation to our viewers. how to forgive yourself let's, yes, here we take a piece of paper, write a phrase. i forgive myself, and then before the word i forgive, we add the letter y yes, and it turns out, i simplify myself, and by simplifying, i begin to relate to myself easier. hmm , maybe i didn’t achieve something. maybe he didn’t even get up at 5:00 in the morning, or is there something else? come on, i take a simpler look at myself and my loved ones, and this is a simplification of my requirements.

that is, when we begin to rely on that they are in their imagination. it leads to the fact that we forgive more more forgive less negative emotions less negative emotions more strength in order to achieve again more. look, mikhail oh, alexey shows us a rather typical picture. here is such a manager for about 40 years, who has already achieved a lot and has become a lot. that is a typical picture of such a burnout. are there any universal tips that make you feel that you are burning out. yes? first, how? why do you feel? what are you burning out? yes, not to work want to go partners enrage. yes , some colleagues here are what needs to be done in this situation, even psychosomatics even went to their knees with all the samatics. you see, he understood, yes, their legs do not want to go somewhere. yes? but what to do? how about a man? well, somehow i don’t know how to gather myself to calm down, firstly. first. we say goodbye to ourselves for our burnout and

the second. uh, the mistake in overcoming the crisis is to try to fill in this pain. how are you? speak black this is the state, yes, pour something positive and these tips, well , go there to relax there, uh, buy yourself anything. eat something tasty there, go for a walk, socialize, play sports. well, how to do all this if you don’t have the strength to do it? yes, therefore, the task is not to receive positive emotions, when you feel bad, and the task is to even out at least a little in peace. yes, that is, work not with positive emotions, the meat is negative, and here it is important to remember that negative emotions are not a consequence of the events that we encountered; negative emotions are a consequence of our rejection of these events. this here is our demand that these events should not take place, that this crisis should not take place, that everything should be different. and if this happens, then trouble. energy has not become quite a lie. during

this time you have achieved dofiga, what? sorry , people don't achieve that much in a lifetime. as you have been smoking for the last 2 years of your life, that is absolutely the world for someone. well did you do it? i had an oncology office here. i sometimes went out for a walk, people who had their lungs cut out or their mothers, there were children with oncology standing and smoking right there near the exit you see, they also have to. they would have to, they can't, but you could. please don't underestimate your accomplishments. make a list of your accomplishments. look at this list. add there, something on this list can be reduced. alexey, i got up at 5:00 in the morning today. this achievement cannot be compared not with your fantasies about yourself, but with real life. see how many people get up at 5 o'clock in the morning a little at 5:00 in the morning from the new year. i'm glad you don't get up at

5:00 in the morning. i think that you would like now time to rest, you have just started to go out. as you describe the child , you need to stay homework will be like this every night before going to bed, he almost falls asleep mentally. do you find five? reasons for this day to tell the universe. thank you. here it can be something global, it can be small. it might be good weather. it may be some of your small achievements. here, just find all sorts of small and big reasons to say thank you to the universe. and i have addition this homework not necessarily. you can if you can’t do it, then you just couldn’t, because again you will start scolding yourself for not finding only 5. well , they didn’t find one, they found it, or they didn’t find it at all, or

they forgot, sometimes it’s possible. i'll tell you then that i already practice this only not 5 but 10. well , really, not every day. i have one more entry. yes? ah, here you have equated the concept of love and love and take to heart, you know, worry about something and love. it's not the same thing. let's understand the word love. well, for example, how we were invited to understand the great russian writers. dostoevsky, he said, you love a person if you love him as god created him. the same for yourself. you love yourself. if you love yourself the way you are now. but if we begin to worry that we are not the same as we imagined ourselves. this is not love, by the way, let's continue the dostoevsky christian concept of self-love, in fact. this is fundamental. if you love yourself and

accept yourself, then you will accept the rest of the world friends. this was a podcast psyche, where i am a journalist, natalya loseva and my advice is a leading psychologist, candidate of psychological sciences mikhail khors . here are such difficult situations that they disassemble and unravel complex, but in fact typical for residents of large and small cities who strive strive strive and sometimes their aspirations themselves and get confused our guest alexei came with his own problem , which is to search for the meaning of life, we are not sure that mikhail and i could find the meaning of life for him, but, probably, we marked the fairway along which it is worth sailing.

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today we have two powerful bands visiting us - this is mangol shuudan and mango bmango represented by their leaders valery skorodet and andrey gordeev hello guys. hello, even mongol shuudan mango da mongol mongol da manga shudan, mangar accuracy mango mail is so cool in africa good morning program on sundays mango mail listen, we started, of course, andryush i'm sorry, we started today with a podcast of the song mongol shundan. moscow is a song written by valery skoroed, well, it is written like music, because hmm, from the authors, he took the great poet sergey yesenin how the idea to write a song on his poems came about quite by accident. it's me who came back from the armed forces, this is it.

the fifth year and the guys found me, which means they played there at all sorts of weddings there, yes, there at some banquets, well, they made money, let's say that at that time, for some reason, they decided to take me as a guitarist, and then it was generally very bad played and did nothing. so hmm somehow, uh, they say, well, you need, how to say grow up musically, and i mean, uh, i bought such a book with a tormentor playing some jazz improvisations and began to learn all sorts of jazz chords. yes, and as strange as it may sound. here is the composition. yes, now it is decided at all it is called. yes, well, everyone knows her, how she is moscow. as a matter of fact, everything is built on jazz chords, let's say so. yes , it just sounds like this. well, a little different. i didn't write the description then. i didn't have a group. that's completely my opinion, fell, accidentally means. sergey yesenin's house i'm there, so i dug around and found this one

a cycle called tavern moscow and , in fact, i chose this one. eh, i chose the poem because, and it was in my opinion, but the skill is tough, or what ? yes, and as if later it turned out that , for example, he is such a word as a prostitute, yes , which one sounds there at that time, or rather, when we had already recorded this song. it's, uh, 1994, i think, and it wasn't played on the radio. just under no pretext, because they said? well, here such a word sounds taken. year after four in five, she got on the radio there somewhere in the year ninety-eight, or something, somewhere that's how it is in my opinion, and in the clip your image of a thousand, by the way, changed its image very cool. these are the last few years. i watched different performances there at different festivals and

at the radio station , too . naturally, it was you yesenin or not? or some completely abstract character. this is who you imagined yourself to be when starred in the video. well, that was the director's idea. as a matter of fact, yevgeny mitrofanov filmed there. yes, he thinks. yes , probably so, probably, he decided to use me in the image. and this one, like a rake, who walks along the old streets of moscow . so, he goes into all sorts of taverns, there he drinks all sorts of fights and all that. everything, everything, everything was filmed. i think yes. well, i then, uh, he didn't tell me about it, anyway, well, i don't really like to watch this clip. it seems to me that