[000:00:00;00] and at the radio station, too. and this hair, let go of such an evelast, became a little like, perhaps an old man, and in the clip it's in the clip you are wearing a cap. hmm, still so young, of course, was it you yesenin or not? or some completely abstract character. this is who you imagined yourself to be when you filmed the video. well, that was the director's idea. as a matter of fact, yevgeny mitrofanov filmed for us. yes, he thinks, yes, probably, so, probably, he decided to use me in the image of such, as it were, a rake who walks along the old streets of moscow, that means he goes into all sorts of taverns, there all sorts of people drink fights and all that. everything, everything, everything was filmed. i think yes. well, i didn't, uh , tell me about it then, anyway, well,

i don't really like to watch this clip. it seems to me that i would have been a little tougher, as if i had removed this one and edited it, but it’s too nothing glamour vintage well, there those on barkal i was filming a director, oleska potashinskaya was filming. there is my classmate. there she tries on a cap at the very beginning. yes, there are a lot of things he caught up uh, celebrities. in general, and there he even starred in some episode. some thief in law just leaned back. yes, i got it quite by accident. eh, and they couldn't kick him out there. naturally, because the authority, you understand, sat there and it was there, so he ordered something small for himself there. film me, well, sort of, yes, and there the camera caught him. there, by chance, he is sitting there with our drummer. here and there, as it were, the size of the hop went on and on. now the prime minister has a question that you have never been asked. why mongol yes? it's completely random

it turned out that some segment of my life was, which means it is inseparably connected with a word called mongolia like this, yes, that is, my cousin lived there for a long time. it means to me, uh, she brought these terrible masks , these porcelain ones. yes, it all started with the fact that on new year's eve i had three masks. i hung them, so on carnations. so the neighbors danced like that from above. yes , they jumped off and crashed. it was the first, uh, call. yeah uh hmm that pushed me to the name of the band. yes, and the second is that we bought alcohol when gorbachev's law was dry. yes, it means that from two yes , a glass kiosk was printed, it was completely sealed. uh, all kinds of newspapers. and from there, some kind of hand pulled out all the time, like a bottle, we will be young, of course, and we dreamed of creating. as a group, we bought

a bottle of port wine, went around the corner of this kiosk, and i remember that right here is the whole display case. she was completely sealed. i can say anything with these brands, i can say anything here, and we just didn’t come up with something there. what is the name of our group? how is it not necessary to go there, what to think? here i can court, if, probably, we stopped there. that's all, just yes, andrey, yes, in two cases manga mango why do you love this fruit? no, i got poisoned with mango juice here, a vietnamese one was picked up, probably, they made a jar from american tanks, it was very hard for my dad to open it, so he complained about it very much. and so i got poisoned by them. maybe that's why although the fruit of manga's name has nothing to do with mengu people. move here is the meaning repeated twice, but this only later invented, in fact, there was such a saxophonist, but it is debangu, but cameroonian or sinegalese. i don't remember exactly, i really

liked his music. it was so figurative there, as if elephants were rushing there, but the founder of max's style was a saxophonist in a beautiful style. . he asked manga i say manga manga he says manga. komsomolets helped us because of the deaf member of the komsomol cool class yes, you were drawn to africa all the time. as long as i remember you. you have knitted markets. take it all always colorful. you performed in some such bright scales, right. well, this phraseological complex is more convenient for me. i liked dark little girls. i have a mulatto wife. yeah, that's all, as if everything came from this, but at the same time, colorful berets

ilt, you still performed kilts. oh, with someone not, we still do not perform. with some of us, such stories were interesting, generally incredible. we once changed clothes on the bus, and when we were driving in murmansk on the road and decided to make a happening. that is, well, to entertain the people with their appearance , bearded men in scottish skirts jumped out onto the road in these, which means they jump out onto the road. and it starts to slow down on the murmansk road. there monchegorsk begins to slow down the cars practically blocking the road, and the cars on the side of the road ran away from us. you imagine a man comes home. e in monchegorsk says to his wife, can you imagine i was driving today, that braveheart, yes, and then jumps out the scots from the beard. kinder tells me and they try to stop me. i said, i barely escaped with these. but she could not

call on a spoon, she probably called. your wife adequately perceived your here these all sorts of kooky jokes. well, she was so she was somehow phlegmatic, you know, or yes, do you have children? yes, my daughter first sang in the group of the red banner division of my grandmother. now i have my own group. that's what my daughter is called. daughter needs to be heard. and how old am i now now 30 years old group daughter it will be necessary to listen, the main thing is not to forget. listen, where did you meet your smile. i saw her before our concert and invited her to the concert. she stood for tickets, they couldn’t buy a crust then tickets were difficult to buy, and i invited her to the concert , took her and agreed to meet after the concert. and after the concerts, all the musicians left flowers in a bucket, and

i have a whole bucket. i asked to take a whole bucket of flowers. i left after the concert. i looked someone i have nothing. i'm watching someone behind me shoulder there fucking turn around. she sprinkled all the flowers on me. she says, i immediately understand that horrible. it was for her that you decided to cook halafel on the eighth of march. and how do you know this story, but you told me yourself. well, yes, yes, i was preparing for the eighth, but it didn’t work out. yes, what is it? this was a wonderful story. can i retell it as i remember it, because i remember until now, it is chic precisely by the sequence of phrases. andrey decided to please his wife with falafel on march 8, he got up early and went to buy it, then he came to kitchen, warmed up the frying pan and began to fry it around the apartment. the smell has gone. then he came up to zhenya and began to wake her up and said, wake up, dear, i bought you falafel. she opens her eyes and says, thank you dear. what is it that smells so disgusting? you haven’t

broken up together yet, but these are my quirks. everything is clear. when at some point it still went off scale, went off scale with the fool going off scale so much. so far this is not relevant. this fool is not related to my new life. how would, yes, friends, let's take care of what we have try to save it. valera, what do you have on the personal front? everything is fine with me, so to speak, a measured family life, and besides the fact that my wife is engaged, she took the reins of the team into her own hands. and in general, it helps me in every possible way. and here is the promotion of the team. and how is it in general, that's a measured life you say, well, that's it, that's measured, how is it in general with rock. in general, you had some kind of rock that was so

rebellious a little. i would say he exists. by the way, this song is yesenin's poetry. does not give an idea of ​​​​your work as a whole. yes, including the case. yes, here it is, somehow here i managed to write a melody here. but, apparently, this is due to the fact that if i had written a text to this melody, which i would sing. here's how as the main one. subject yes, that's our team. i don't think she would be like that. here's how the situation worked out so well. yes , in principle, uh, many. yes, i can say, even 100%, they think that this is a business card, let's say our client. well, i, of course, i know, yes, that, for example, our target audience is our army. yes, they just know her more, because the clip somehow shot. all this, well, i can only say that i am pleased that i have it, and accepts the new, in general, in your performance they are waiting for something new from you, or

still you always want to constantly have such a topic, what we are trying to do, but to make such inclusions from songs that either we have not played for a very long time, yes, either we have rehearsed, or we have never played a song at all, that is, we are preparing it and from time to time. we insert these things into the program, because the material has been recorded a lot of songs, all of our favorites and we have prepared programs that have been tested for a long time, and we know that some deviations from this program will be allowed. they just bring. what we pay off to lose the hall will not lose the hall. we will simply extinguish the energy of the hall. our task. what our task is for a person to come and leave satisfied, rumpled, so to speak, doused with beer. as they say, hustling means in this slime. i understand what they say so that he comes and writes in our networks that, like, the concert was fire. here is our task. what is the task as a performer? yes? here, and do what, let's say, so guys, stop. now we will perform a new

song for you. i know for sure now that everything will stand up and listen and will be there already at the third verse shouting, yes, tie it up. come on, here it is. come on it. let's. well, it's known. do you also have every show clearly structured or not? yes, it is built not only that it is built, and we love it very much. we have very a great desire for everyone to sing, so that t1 would not just sing, but that they would drink some songs with you. in general, i don’t sing, it’s like a bullet, i’m just starting and everyone continues. and i just succumb to throwing coal on the fire. so especially hot these people. they want you to drink, not them, so that you are there, and bullets flew bullets, it turns out massively and everyone likes it, because after that i announce to everyone that everyone is now mango-mango, because now everyone is taking pictures, like not just taking pictures with mango-mango. and now everything

manga-manga, as if all one group you see, yes, cunning cunning is still in one of the languages ​​manga-manga in lisztian languages ​​means cunning cunning most favorite song, well , probably not a bullet, probably not astronauts. yes, uh, the most beloved - it is now now now now is a very good song, but the most beloved signals. because i find out there, i had such a period. i was very fond of stringers, and i recognize stringlers there, because there are these turns and their sounds, purely by chance. they were there or because you love them, but in this alignment. this is not plagiarism, this is an equation, but foreign samples are better. as they said in the soyuz studio, in other words, this inspiration can be called, maybe it’s generally considered that if a song is similar to something, if you perform

songs for the first time or show the musician to the director, and he says, it reminds me of something everything is a hit, yes, yes. everything can be. no, well, not so my directly arrogant such no no, no, but still. and, if there are such precedents as i have here there was a song about chromosomes, but one to one. all of a sudden i'm standing and spinning this song in my head in murmansk and then it sounds on the radio and is performed by some singer. i think everything is a bummer , such a topic is chromosome genetics, there and so on, and that's it. no, they stole it. yes, i didn’t want to fight for the song. yes listen, eh! a song about space is not taken as astronauts , which is inspired by and you probably have some kind of crazy story in your head that always builds up before you write your next hit, because they are all crazy

in their own way too. yes, what was your picture when a person flies, and he is somehow wrong , he flies into the water from a springboard and somehow wrong, yes, and why is it bad to land at an angle now? i say not the topic hit the water, but the guitarists are behind the fool and it turned out not the topic. the fool hit with him. it has also become a proverb. uh, the director of the video, which is his wife asking him why it didn’t hit you so sadly. fool and, uh, they didn’t take such people, astronauts and so on and so forth asked a lot, after all. we have come to the conclusion that this just the song of the cosmonaut if you were asked this song in the film challenge, which has just been released and it is entirely filmed in space. there julia overcame the title role. i would gladly give. and i would like to shoot a clip in space, i was not afraid. or if you were told, it would be the third

shooting experience, by the way. the first one is just the film challenge, they forgot the camera, the guys from the mind group norman took advantage of this, they shot a video for themselves there, you wouldn’t be afraid to fly into space, really go through this training, how yulia overcame it with my guys and just, well, given that right now, of course, it's all about safety forever. there is a risk of hypothermia depressurization. and what will they forget about you there, like a camera? oh gordey, you forgot, we'll be back? yes, damn it, the earth is already okay, we flew then we live once we live and such an event as space. we had a similar story. we were filming, uh, on a buron, which is now standing in gorky park, which could land and fly again. yes, yes, yes, and we filmed there. we have taken this position. so somehow they went to bed sideways and it turned out as if we were hanging in weightlessness. and here we are in the newspaper. here we are showing this to the newspaper, and one there by mistake. where is this? well, yes, we are in space. we

thought the bourgeois paid us a flight into space. i mean, they flew into space and sang some cosmonauts there. this is a podcast 20 years later, mongol shuudan and mango-mango are my guests. i am the presenter konstantin mikhailov , all episodes of the paws podcast, including 20 years later, you can see on the website of channel one. and what are you saying that you have become calmer family, there that's all he is something and how it is your words. eh, how tranquility and rock music - this can generally be combined, or this, how a genius villainized, how guns and muse are antonyms. i didn't say i calmed down. i said i'm at home. uh, so, among this roar and decibels. yes, i come home, and at home. my music is not playing. she is quiet in my house. you see, my whole life is the roar of guitars, yes, and other attributes, which, for example, refers to rock music. here and of course hmm at home. i

just want to relax, as usual andrey, you are like a man. well, it is impossible to remain constantly in the same state. in the musical, especially since e manga manga is a little inadequate on stage. this is a little bit inadequate, let's say the state. yes, in general, mentally, even we are all a little mangmag. andrey, i will calm you down. i am a person who likes to be a little. why do we often invite her to visit her on new year's eve, because sometimes you want to unload. sometimes. i want to be a little crazy, but to be crazy all the time, and to create absurd is absurd. by the way, you'll come in fine as an evening for some perfect. uh, a brutal marginal banquet, and it’s chic for a children’s party. yes, yes, because children like it too. children like absurdity, because

he was rude for children, including for children, he wrote children. it is very understandable for them it is natural, although kharms as a children's writer at one time, the children said. they say that they are innocent, maybe they are innocent souls and are painfully disgusting, especially when they sing or dance, i always go from there to there. where are the children here? daniel hans yes, yes, but nonetheless. he understood children well. they understood it very well, yes, and in my childhood my parents read it to me at night. well, i don’t know, is it really that my grandmother has two funny geese, and the kaspershnik smoke tobacco to me with the armpit of two dogs. fuck you, that is, i didn’t understand, i went jumped into the fence. yes, and i was very real about it. it was very real very organic for me. that's why i love these houses very much in my work. no, at home a few need to behave well calmly good house is pretending to

think adequately. years later, what compositions do the audience primarily demand at concerts, except for moscow, except for bullets, besides cosmonauts. are there any other such outright bright ones? i'm not asking you to have a potpourri, but at least by the names we have on each album on the new one. yes, there are a couple, directly these are just how to say. hmm, i don't even know how to name the hits. that's probably a big word, but just here are the compositions, well, you have to. our people who go to our concerts were called hits before there was the word hits is a hit, we, too, cannot be said with a heavy one. well, such a question. it baffles me because i don't even remember what we called these songs. well, that's all the songs and the song,

well, yes, that's the fact is that then not at home on television, other songs were not missed by others. well, let's say powerful, well, that is , of course, of course, yes, that is , it wasn't, for example, uh, it didn't cover creativity, let's say. here are the same zemlya yes, they put on two songs and that's it, and we knew them simply from these two songs. and you can roughly understand, here the period that is required temporarily from the moment the album is released until the moment when these two songs begin to want in the hall. how much does it take to make 3 years like this, yes , the formula from the mongolian court mango is your opinion a year, maybe a year passes. they ask all the same too, well, they ask the old ones, but also the new one . for example, damn it, even somewhere it surprises a wheelbarrow asking for a tarantela. i just remember the car no car. yes, a wheelbarrow is a very interesting song, it compares a girl with a car,

so that new supposed to be better than a friend and so on. everything is like there, the girlfriend also said the gearshift knob, so it’s okay, so when i asked what, like, my favorite song is, valera suggested which one, that is, you are aware of vangu mango’s work and vice versa, mango-mango listens to mongol what given or not? we are somewhere around the same period. well, they started early, yes, well, they crossed paths a lot at the festival, of course, once. yes, we know each other well. yes, i can tell e to reveal a little, uh, secret. what did we play together with andrey 1 april 1989 for the first time in front of the public our group so from that moment we began to consider this the birthday of our team. hmm , the first of april 1989, and it was together. here uh with a group of manga manga well we are also april 1st. we

played on the arbat for the first time on april 1, and the petting galculum that valer suggested is our symbol, this abriutism itself is khamsism in its purest form. raja was a dog. he gave her a gulya, the mass did not want to cry , dogs do not like. ugh and so on. yes, by the way, i now understand what it unites your bands, because the music is completely different absolutely polar opposite. but here it is, and she's transporting. yes, it suits you and suits you. well, they are already past the age when, uh, i remember there used to be youthful maximalism. there he is there, they play some other music there, like, well, this, let's say there. like bullshit, yes, we will say that, as if, well, over time, let's say, musicians are serious. he begins to understand that, uh, that path to success. yes any group. he, of course, goes there along some specific vector, yes, along growing. that's when a person does not give up and, let's say, keeps his way. in general, in

principle, he causes some kind of certain respect. yes, for example, i have yes, i think he does too. well, accordingly, let's say that we play in different, uh, directions completely. yes, in different ways this in no way prevents us, let's say we communicate there or make friends somehow and so on. yes, that's why , in general, i remember seeing times when this was, yes, that is, deep hatred. hmm genre. no, that is what happens. yes there was especially hatred, for example, people who work in the same genre as you and a worse group. but then, yes, it’s c- it ’s the rivals on our stage who will invite either you or hmm, there you are. there were such collectives, they are collectives here, and therefore i know that i did not cause hatred, but if they heard the word mango-mango, they turned green, how is the work on one material, how productive is it going, but even sometimes it's just the director

who filters all my attempts, because uh, sometimes he pushes me the fountain doesn't shut up. no, the fountain is coming, the fountain is coming recently, one song about the couch. he arose divanie, but there is a new hobby divanevaling. yep, sport sofa design, armchair and bedding. it is sold about all these sports very exciting. here is a very interesting idea. this is our favorite sport. yes, now a song about a woman is brewing . attention to men, respect for men will be understanding and disposition with psychologists. cool, that is, in spite of the day continues to create chic, guys, i got a charge of vivacity of energy, talking with you, as always and despite the fact that yes, valera also became a decent one, but nevertheless a rocker spirit, he still rushes from him. this is energy and with the stage. yes, i watched a lot of your

performances, it’s fresh, very cool. right so. maybe even you began to sing better than before, maybe i just expected that now it would creak again, probably, the older man, nifiga, as if the voice had woken up. you even come up with something else and new ones, shoot, there are insufficiencies, far from it, and you too. it seems to me that the wind is still walking in the right places there. uh, good wind, right wind. let's listen. well, what everyone probably wants to listen to manga manga astronauts with pleasure. thanks guys. three three

loved to jump with the mouse, spinning like a top. now he tortured the hospital with a stove and who to hit, but they will be a fool. mom, a fishing lover caught a big fish for a chant, but there will be

a fool. will they take a fool, gentlemen?

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olga breininger, writer, literary anthropologist, translator and vladislav gorodetsky writer, architect, diary of maria bashkirtseva. this is a well-known work. uh, a girl from 12 to 24 kept a diary, so to speak, from adolescence to death. and this is the end of the 19th century. uh, europe uh, an aristocratic russian daughter of a wealthy landowner, who, uh, studies and spends time in europe, lives a stormy and social life. e, however, what is interesting to us, and in this diary and in this document, why does it enter in the corpus of women's autofictional prose , let's call it that in fact, whether it is included or not. it's still a big question, because uh

, after all, in the form, uh, it's a diary of a diary entry. uh, how it differs from all previous diaries in that it was originally written for an outside observer for the reader. that is, he is not written for himself, but for others and the bashkirs repeatedly emphasizes. and what are the elements of e autofix e? because the bashkirtseva considers herself a heroine. she speaks directly about this and describing herself, as if with she introduces herself into this text as a heroine, as characters, and often abstracts herself to the same e, emphasizing that the author of these lines, of course, understands everything. but the heroine, there was a silly thing like that, that is, she actually has an element of the game from the very beginning. well, not that games, but some kind of appeal to the public appeal to the public. yes , he says that i intend to, but to take a photograph

of my life, and he sets himself the task of being as honest and frank as possible, that is, this is a self-portrait. eh, and the reliability of this a self-portrait is perhaps even some kind of ugliness. this is the condition of the game that the bashkirs ask about themselves. we can say so, we can say so, but if we take into account a stands above the author himself, then we need to admit that this is not an autofish, but an autobiography, because autofiction is always a deliberate mixture of truth and fiction, and since bashkirsky is declared that she will show herself as she is, uh, in an unsightly ugly in any situation, without trying to embellish herself, then in general, if you follow one of the main definitions of autofiction. uh, those should not be referent, it turns out

that the bashkirtsev does not m-m not auto-fix, i do not agree. this can be perceived as this declaration of absolute truth and to the last word, as also an element of the autofectional narrative. she could be. e, also part of e, and the plot is part of e, tells. yes, i'm telling the honest truth, but in fact, you never know what, he says, we have no way to check. yes we have. biography is such a frame, yes, in which we operate. uh and even this one text. uh, we're from the start. we can doubt its absolutely documentary. at least, because we, uh, do not get the exact dates of the birth of the heroine, uh, the date of birth indicated in the first publications is 60. uh, the sixties year was not exactly the date. e bashkir was born in the fifty-eighth year, because, and the mother after the death of her daughter. here mother was engaged in the publication of a diary. she wanted to edit. and yes

, she cut it. uh, life for a few years, so that fate would be even more tragic hits the club 207 hits the 207 - that's who the jacket jacket is then shakur's pack and sketch, well, she ends up in great company to say the least. but here's what confuses me. uh, when she starts the diary, she is 11 or 12 years old, she is still quite transparent, and then at 15-16 years old. she comes back and makes some edits herself and uh, then the idea comes to her that u diary - this is her opportunity, and to show the life of one woman. and this is her opportunity to become famous, that is. uh, if you look at her trajectory there is a hero arc, then she changed quite a lot. that's from 15 to twenty-five, and in the beginning she was driven by the desire

for fame. what she writes about, and repeatedly she writes all the time. i want fame, i dream of being famous, by the way, they say to the cabins that he also wrote that he wanted to be famous since adolescence, and she also tries a variety of art forms, that is , she draws, sings, uh, writes and it seems to me that at the initial stage it is not easy. from herself, she still and still the same short path to glory yes , she remains an artist, but still i it seems we know her first of all, it is from her diary, but, probably, about the artistic value of her canvases. i have to ask you. well , here's what i want to talk about. olya, i think you are the best autofiction specialist in russia that exists. today. you have a lecture about maria bashkirtseva. tell us how you imagine her literary work, in some general context of this autofectional prose. well, here you need to make a small clarification that

the lecture about maria bashkirtseva is not included in the auto-phishing course. and i have a course on literature of the 19th century, the purpose of which was. well, to shake the canons a little to show what we have conditionally, not only pushkin lermontov tolstoy dostoevsky, but also other women authors yes, women and e-lectures in all. the main male writers were followed by short lectures by the women. that is, i spoke. look, we have conditionally ah turgenev chernyshevsk we also have bashkirtseva and liza dyakonova but these are slightly different time periods, but such was after the bashkirts, she even mentions in her my wife's diary is fine. yes, and i, by the way, are on the side of lisa the new uncle in many ways. well, maria of the bashkirs was the first, yes. at the expense of the artistic work of bashkir vlad and