my own is not included in autofiction cors, i have a course on 19th century literature, the purpose of which was. well, to shake the canons a little to show that we have not only pushkin lermontov tolstoy dostoevsky, but also other women authors, yes, women and e lectures about all the main male writers were accompanied, but by short lectures to women. that is, i spoke. look, we have conditional. and turgenev chernyshevsky. we also have bashkirtseva and liza dyakonova. but these are slightly different time periods, but only the structure was after the bashkirs, and she even mentions her opinion and does not fix it. by the way, i am on the side of lisa the deacon and you in many ways. well, mary of the bashkirs was the first of this, right? what about the artistic work of the bashkir vlad and the architect did you study? e tell me how you

evaluate this jerk. e bashkirtseva to glory through painting, because his last years are the last 6 years. she quits social life, she stops hanging out and, uh, starts working hard from morning to night literally, counting the hours that go on her way to the studio there to move closer to studio, so as not to spend 2 hours a day, because it's 48 days a year and so she is rapidly mastering the path from a student to a leader. e picturesque salons on a par with the pool or the page and other artists , it must be said that i am not an art critic. but if you trust the art they know , they report that it is impossible to talk about the real artistic heritage of the bashkirs. hmm, because she left too early. life was the first, it is too early, as art critics say. uh, she had a real breakthrough departure from academicism in the last 2

of the year. eh, and, that is, she went to the peaks on the ascending line and it is not known how high this line would go, but she left. just starting to open up. here in their latest work. and here olya, uh, mentioned this and i would like to develop the idea. uh, it seems to me that a and a diary, uh, the bashkirs and her painting. yes, they initially proceeded from the intention to become famous. yes, become , uh, popular famous. she even writes at the age of 15. such a purely beloved and vain person like me needs to become attached to painting, because it is a very lively inexhaustible activity. i will neither therefore nor be a philosopher or a chemist. i can only be a singer and an artist. this is already a lot. and then i want to be popular. this is the main reason why the pragmatic elections in odessa , but uh, choosing the path of painting of the bashkirs, they think that this is the path to glory uh, but this choice completely transforms it and this can be seen from the diaries, because how much the personality changes. she goes from m-m immature

infantile whimsical. e ladies into a real sacrificial person who is really ready for the sake of art. uh give up everything that was dear to him before. and that is. eh, no matter how the antennae, but the bashkirs really embark on the path of the artist, eh, but eh. well, you can, as a learned person. uh, art, yes fine uh, appreciate her dash. you understand that this is unrealistic. at this level of painting, her paintings hang in the russian museum; her paintings hang in the musée d'orce in paris. that is, it is really a high level, the highest of some kind, maybe, and she passed it very quickly. you understand it. you understand? this some work is behind this, of course, i understand. but uh, it seems to me that this is a debatable question, but i'll express my opinion that it is fair to call an artist

important or accomplished. if he set some direction, he had some influence on the hosts, uh, well, not necessarily new. in general, uh, an artist is considered important if he changed the cultural landscape, if uh , some of his ideas sprouted into the future, so uh, well, it is important to note that the ideas of bashkirism are uh, some finds in painting. yes, they did not find proposal, there are no people who would confirm the influence, uh, on their art, in contrast to literature. well, some of its influence is obvious, and many authors of the silver age were passionate about it. you can even say to some extent in love with this pros. tsvetaeva bryusov khlebnikov it would seem completely different aesthetics, but nevertheless white, and i agree with vlad that this

book begins as a diary of a young girl seeking popularity, through a no appearance, through art. uh, a little harder, but when she stops at painting, and when it becomes truly, and uncompromisingly and cruelly to itself. and it seems to me that the artist begins when he is ready to be cruel to himself. that's when this story, which is personally interesting to me and enchants me, and i became in love with it. and it seems to me that , uh, when an artist devotes himself to everything, that is, puts himself on the altar of his work, then this cannot but cause. here is some profound change. and be it art literature. visual do not know that she did not choose, but the fact itself. eh, here's a job ah, he produces anyway, yes, and

he commands respect, but i can say that really one of the features of this diary is that it begins quite predictably for an aristocratic environment, yes , for a girl who is very rich, very beautiful and let's say so artistic, yes, and we expect, of course, uh, after describing all the fans of bols and such outfits. of course, we are waiting for what will now hurt to marry some nephew of an italian cardinal, yes or hmm that she will spin i don’t know some kind of mad roman or well, in general, she will do something, maybe through her appearance yes, connected with her beauty and ability to dress. in fact, it's sad that we expect this, but our stereotypes are completely broken at some point and we understand that this is a serious person. before

us is a serious man. she chooses a not to marry. it can be said to completely abandon the female path and works like a beast in order to be perceived as a person, that is, she writes in this that if my painting gets into the salon i will perceive as a person for her. it is very important that she evokes with her work. yes, not by her appearance e, not by the money of her parents, but by her work and the fact that she chooses this path, of course, suddenly turns out to be unexpected , just like her tragic death earlier, her demands on herself grow, because at some point, when her painting ends up in the salon. she says, or rather, writes about the fact that uh hmm in the salon uh, exposes this daub. and if this fuss is real art, then this is not the biggest compliment for me. that there is a level of self-criticism of reflection in comparison with the girl we saw on the first pages. eh, completely

different. and it seems to me that this is self-criticism , it has roots in its narcissistic nature. she is by nature a narcissistic person by nature, and this can even be seen in the way she relates e to her own appearance. here , as she is thrown from side to side, uh, she admires herself and says how wonderful she is and that everyone should bow, and right there, uh, on the next page, she can say that in i have nothing special and there by the standards of soviet women. i have no interest in these people. i'm not dissembling anything, and i remember such a moment, and she describes how she came to russia because she lives on her father's money in paris in rome in nice. well, sometimes they go to russia here in the village. poltava and she arrives at some point , of course, creates a sensation in this chatter. so she pays some kind of visits, and she herself

mentions that someone tells her that they saw the daughter of the bashkirs, wonderful beauty, and she sums it up. these people haven’t seen anything in their lives, or here she writes at the age of 16, if i’m as good with myself as i say, from what they don’t like me , they look at me, they fall in love, but they don’t love me, who needs me so much in love. well, that is, uh, and her assessments, and actually her own literary works. she also, uh, often criticizes herself. e, they say that the description of some primitive e everyday things. i spent such pompous high words, they are proportionate. why does she have such an uneven attitude towards herself, then criticism is love about that. family swing, yes, emotional swing, because sometimes she says yes. do you think that i, uh,

spied on someone? no, this is my own thought. or there, she revels in some of her beautiful ones. and sometimes she talks. oh, i can't describe it. it’s better for you for such details to zulya or there to balzac, yes, go, uh, or there, uh, it’s impossible to describe, in order to feel it you need to be me, that is, she signs her insolvency. like a writer too, but on the other hand there is a wonderful moment. e in the finale, which i really like, and she reads tolstoy's essay, uh , in a dimont, and says that her soul rejoices at her and at the same time, she scolds herself for being a foreigner, she lives in france and uh, doesn't go to russia but why doesn't she do that? yes, why, because she can study only in paris she is kept by painting and she writes. i work in the same way glory to my motherland if i eventually develop such a talent of some kind of tolstoy this is quite

high. evaluation of myself, i understand, yes, everything, of course, these narcissistic swings are on the other side. she writes, i'm not brilliant but i want them to consider me as such. now this is pure autoficcion, of course, in fact, we can open every page and find two polar quotes, and they will all be true. i think this podcast is a must- read with you aglaya na batnikova, director , writer, host of the podcast, we are discussing the diary maria bashkirtseva, and with olga breinnger, literary tropologist , writer, translator and vladislav gorodetsky writer, author of the book inversion, my lord and architect. i believe that in every person there are certain products of contradiction, and the fact that we note this in the bashkir's diary suggests that she is really honest, and related to her

work and to this task. olya, you studied at marina abramovic, uh, you're a digital artist. if it is possible, so to speak? yes, if you can, so to speak. uh. please tell me if there are any signs of a conceptual project in the diary of the bashkirtseva, when a person treats his life as material and makes himself the object of his art, if this uh ancient diary has such signs, i think yes, and i think that from the moment when she returned to her diary at 15 hmm wrote a preface, writing in the preface that she does not like to write a preface and uh, started editing it. i think she did. this is to intentionally create a certain image of yourself. and this is the first second. still. she was quite versatile in her interests, er, and in her creative endeavors. and i

think she still has it. uh, of course, this is not marina abramovich, but she did not have opportunities to rise to such power and comprehend their own work, but women could not get. ah, education at the end of the 19th century. that is, we see a thirst for knowledge. she reads a lot of books and knows, uh, languages , reads some classical texts in the original, but nonetheless. we understand that systemic education. she is deprived and it is felt even though she reads a lot. um, well, her possibilities and tools of reflection are quite limited, because after all, this is what education gives us, and she goes in a naive way, and intuitive intuitive way, but nonetheless . it seems to me that some kind of vague idea here is what the main object of art is. this is not even her diary, these are not her

paintings, but herself. and it is traceable and it gradually goes to this is another matter, which is the saddest thing after all, we can never understand the story until we read it to the end, in general, peter brooks has a famous book of raylin photoplates, and he says that we read e the narrative is out of order. we honor him from beginning to end and in the case from end to beginning. yes, i, in the case of the bashkirs, we lose that very point of reference, where we can truly appreciate history. you do not understand the beginning of the school there is no final. we understand that this is a story that was interrupted and that's all that it could become. it probably could become many significantly grow in artistic power, and in depth, but this did not happen. yes, i think that's it too. it could

happen to me, maybe this broken life. uh, earlier tragic death, maybe this is part of the image and part of it charm. isn't there, there is romanticism in it, but uh, it seems to me that the years of such work, which are described in the last part of the diary, they would give her much more than the romantic aura of an early death. and how do you guys feel about such a turn of events that she abandoned love and relationships. i want to quote on this. one moment i really liked. i get this topic. yes, this is it, she just entered, uh, to study, yes, the julian art school. uh, it's a separate thing to say that this studio is julian. it was the only a place where women could study women is a serious place for treatment and therefore. i don't

leave paris though, she doesn't like paris . well, one day they came across an ugly person. they decided her e not at this point. i thought that how it feels to be, to whom the whole studio says, no sorry, just ugly. we will go to drink, tea, he was still paid some pennies. so he doesn't care. and so they went to the monastery. we enter the monastery and bring with us. so much playfulness, fun, that solemn peace is revealed. and we are going to receptionist, uh, boarder, and i make sister teresa dance. she wants to recruit me and praise the convent for me. and i also want to recruit her and i praise the world to her, and she tells them how cool it is to live in a monastery, and the sea and tell her that the world is beautiful, but the recruitment took place only not through religion, but through the line of renunciation of peace. and the bashkorian naturally

transforms. a nun, when she embarks on the path of art, she naturally renounces uh love, uh joy of life, glitz from theaters, what she loves and that she was surrounded all her life. she even eventually stops dressing writes. i don't care how i look anymore. yes, she becomes. here's to this path of service. this is pure monasticism and she dies a virgin. uh, therefore, ideological recruitment, when a person is offered an idea through which it seems to him, he will be able, well, either to get closer to some desired state or to open up in this case, yes, it ’s very, and as if they successfully offer this idea, which becomes vector teleology of its further movement. i don't agree with the fact that this nun recruited, of course there is another. it seemed to me that this is an economic level saying that rhymes

happened she was the punk of her time. it seems to me that she refuses this path precisely because it is too predictable , obvious, too simple, that is, this is a choice in the direction of something complex. i think you're oversimplifying that it comes from expectations. no, she goes her own way, not looking back at any expectation. well, that is, not trying to break them, not trying to obey them. she just has a different path. i have a third version. although she lists quite a lot of loves. ah. i always had the feeling that this is falling in love, you know, like medieval kurtaz poetry, when there is a beautiful lady, when she needs to be loved and written, but at the same time a knight writing poetry, he doesn’t even know and has never seen this beautiful lady, then there is e essence in this, and the essence is simply to love, but to be in this state and be updated

emotionally. yes, and it seems to me that for a long time for the bashkirtseva, and love was not seriously interesting for her, it was important here to feed, but to feed to catch inspiration, but it seems to me that if she thought about the family seriously, it would interfere with her work. it will disturb her. uh, devoting oneself to painting, and that's why all loves are platonic, because it's very convenient for the artist, but on the other hand. and this is hmm the last months of her life. she's right here, i think, i believe, i 'm a little bit sorry about how it turned out, that it's very stupid of me not to do, the only thing worth it, the only things, giving happiness, making you forget all sorrows with love. yes, by love, two loving beings present themselves to each other as absolutely

perfect physical and moral relations. especially in the moral. well, you can immediately see that a person has practice. no problem, but i think it's great and it's very expensive actually, but she actually had a real love story that ended badly and already passed it and she went into denial. like this, because she collided. uh, subway tunnel, yes, this is the cardinal's nephew young man who for a very long time he courted confessed his love, but for that he called to marry it was a kiss with him. she was sorry, but the kiss was with him, the kiss was a violation, let's say, of secular aristocratic rules, that is, the bashkir woman self-assessed this as a moral fall, she was terribly tormented by this kiss, that he allowed a man to kiss himself.

ah, because it broke her reputation, as she thought, because the wedding never happened, and it didn’t happen, because the cardinal was against this marriage, and er, the young man depended on your parents. he said, i can’t go there, i can’t do it, i can’t do it, because i was not told by my parents and i get that he is such a dependent person. and, of course, bashkirs was disappointed in this and the fact that he eventually abandoned it. well, she, however, also refused in the sense that she did not want to accept catholicism. she wanted to remain orthodox. but at least that's how i assessed the situation, if she had accepted catholicism, probably this marriage would have been more real, but she was disappointed in this a man, apparently, therefore, such an emphasis on morality in this quote. it seems to me that she understood the essence of what was happening from the very beginning. namely, that he simply expects guarantees from her. he tries in every possible way to get from her what she says, yes, to do.

e, decide on a feat, for my sake. everything will be open from my side. and she does not give this guarantee, because she knows that she will be constrained by her, that if something happens later, she will remember all this and blame him for everything well. and we can talk about the bashkir, as a descriptor, but as a woman, pioneers, declared some. eh, well, let's just say the prosaic beginning is already feminine in literature. or we uh can't uh call her a serious writer. i think we can call her a pioneer pioneer. that's already enough . but on this. probably we will modestly put an end to it, because if you go into details, er, and you analyze this text from a literary point of view. well, we may not have anything left, in fact, but to give it its due, as literature. you

mean, well, lisa linzburg has only the term intermediate literature, and it is very fortunate because he is an invaluable member. but this is all that is not the main one. actually, there are artistic works and diaries. memoirs, they are just the same, uh, refer to this intermediate literature. i think it's bashkirian. well, i started my diary. eh, well, how such a peculiar project and she herself says about it, that if i die without becoming famous as an artist. uh, at least you'll be interested in this, uh, literary document, right? uh, yeah, that is, uh, initially. she has a very clear premise. ah, understandable intention. she want step over. e death. she wants to last into the future even after her death. yes, she chooses art, as a path, to become permanent, to be afraid of oblivion, because she hmm that you have been discussing it now for 150 years,

yes, and also because she was afraid that she did not believe, but she has yes in the immortality of the soul , and the story in god is very much, despite e. her constant appeal. here, he serves god with her like a magic wand, or just such a saying, but deep religiosity, there, of course not, at the same time on mystically gifted, so to speak, because she anticipates her death. and uh, somehow describes her original path, how short she writes from the very beginning. i will die, early and so on. maybe so, yes, or maybe, uh, that everyone at this age, uh, feel , uh, all teenagers. maybe they'll die soon? yes, but in particular , the average life expectancy at that time was much lower than now, so it's too early to die. well, perhaps, for that time, 25 is actually

not even early. i think if she was true religious, then, and she would not have such an obsession with glory because vanity a and religiosity are not very compatible humility. this is the way she generally said that the service of the arts and the service of god are probably not the same thing, of course, i, by the way , too. do you think it's the same thing i think it is? well, the forms, uh, that can even be in childhood yes, the forms, and we can say that the bashkirs are the emancipators of their female feminism, olga, can you say something about this, you understand? she tried to write a little and feminism ridiculed her for it. eh, here it is again . that part of the life that she spent, let's say. e in the conventions of a patriarchal

society, probably not. but when she radically breaks off completely, that is with the scenario of a secular beauty. here's the perfect wording. here we can already talk about something serious. yes, she paved the way for women who followed in her footsteps, well, on the one hand, for example, and liza dyakonova who probably really was one of the first real feminists in russia and she had a low opinion of the bashkirtsev. she is a competitor. they are too far apart in time to be competitors. lisa was no longer the first. yes, there is also elena gan and this and we have the thirties a years, well, the peak of her literary career, she died in 1842. and here she is, by the way, uh, despite the fact that she was a completely inconspicuous figure, but at the same time

quite popular reader, it was published in the yakovsky reading library. she spoke. uh, some hmm questions that can exactly be called meniscus. why women don't get access to education? why are we hmm so limited compared to a man in what we can do, that is, in the case of elena gan , it was some kind of conscious, er, statement by the duchess, probably her own example. yes, she showed by example, that such a path is possible and it is worthy of respect, and it is possible, really cool. but in general, if you want to convince people of something, they need to or tell about it. conquer or show, so you prove your life with your work, at least she denotes the problem in fact in her painting. at there, uh, there are female figures that are either

turned with their backs there, uh, in the picture there is a meeting there, uh, the boys gather in the foreground, but talk, and behind in the distance the silhouette of a woman and it’s not a woman who turns away, a little girl who turned away. and it's, of course, uh, saying about that place about a woman's place. they are a woman's fair place in current events. yes. e, however. i think the bashkirtseva managed to immortalize her name in one way or another. yes, we know her, we talk about her and she continues to inspire people as the first one passes. and i it's very cool that if she hadn't introduced the life of a russian aristocrat in europe to actually living in russia, then perhaps we would be able to talk. and in connection with feminism, somehow more confidently, because well, there were bestuzhev courses, that is, women's issues grew, and it seems to me that she would have received there. uh, the environment in order to develop

anyway think in this direction. it was a must-read podcast with you aglaya na batnikova, director writer, host of the podcast, olga was my guest brainning is a writer and literary anthropologist. translator and vladislav gorodetsky writer architect. we discussed maria bashkirtseva and her diary. hello, my name is alexei varlamov, i am a writer and rector of the gorky literary institute, this is a podcast life of wonderful and today we will talk about a wonderful writer, prose writer, associate professor of the department of literary excellence of the literary institute. andrei valerievich gelasimov andrey valerievich is a famous

writer and author of many romanov stories by e. tale thirst a steppe gods, a year of deception a and the topic of our today's conversation with andrei valerievich. this is literature about the great patriotic war echo of the great war , the generation of people who fought has practically passed away and all the books that could not be written have already been written. and the theme of the great war has not left our lives. what do you think, andrei valerievich why, well, you know alexei nikolayevich is a topic? it will be for a very long time, firstly, uh, because not much time has passed, and secondly, literature needs really large time layers to realize such large-scale events. well, let's just remember that leo nikolayevich tolstoy wrote about the great war of 1812 more than half a century later, and he did not relate and did not participate in any way because of his age,

but nevertheless it was very important for him, uh, to try to analyze. what happened to the people, first of all, and to their country, and at the time of the great threat and these dramatic times, of course, writers will always be interested in another matter, that is the view of a contemporary and accomplice of events. very different from this attempt at analysis later say half a century or even 70 years. and why do you think it happened? the question is often asked why war and peace is not written about the great patriotic war, and why about the war of the twelfth year there were not as many books written by participants in this war as written about the great patriotic war why is the situation exactly the opposite, but more is written, but just in due to the fact that culture has changed, the cultural code has changed and there are more people writing literature in the 19th century. you know it very well, it was still a lot

aristocratic circles in the 20th century. everything happened, uh, in a completely different mode , firstly, and the education system changed , more literate people appeared, and lightened by culture and writers, so i think the participants in the great patriotic war wrote more than the participants in the patriotic war. what are your favorite books? vasily bykov was very important to me and still is boris vasiliev. and the dawns here are quiet and not even thanks to a wonderful film. and in fact, the most powerful request of this wonderful story. i also fought somewhere, but he never said anything about the war. he passed away quite early. if he lived a little longer i would, of course, try to talk to him anyway, but at that moment i was a child, but a person doesn’t want to tell, so he doesn’t want to tell, but we had such a very curious story at the school where i studied, but about the usual

moscow special school, but it had a museum , the museum of military glory. it was kind of informal, not that it's a formal, bureaucratic thing. no, it really was. a very serious story. there there was such a wonderful teacher of geography for us, and olga alekseevna gorycheva. her name was and so she came up with the idea of ​​making the museum of the military unit. 9903 i must say that this military unit was very unusual. this is the most. the unit in which zoya kosmodemyanskaya fought, that is, in fact, it was the unit that prepared these reconnaissance and sabotage groups that threw it in the fall of the forty -first year, they were thrown behind the front line so that they arranged these sabotage of theirs on occupied territory. and in basically. there were young girls, young guys who did not have military training, but komsomol members who volunteered to sign up for the war there and offered to take part in history if you would like to participate in such a story. here are those of them who survived, they came to our school, met with

us, and i remember one veteran with such cheerful gray hair, and he says, and she tells you how to tell you how it should be or how it was, and she says how it was . here's exactly what he said. i don't remember now. i'm sorry i don't remember. i remember something else. here come these veterans. it was always the sixth of december, and on the day when our counter-offensive began near moscow, when from the germans and here they came from some, just like that, a lot, a lot, which means that others have almost no orders. well, and children's consciousness, so this one fought well. and this one, maybe fought somehow worse, and i remember someone here this thought, well, somehow he said it out loud or asked some question. and why does my uncle have so many medals, and this uncle has so many and i remember a tough answer that it doesn’t mean anything, yes, that very often worthy people don’t received medals. for example, i never knew, and, uh, my grandfather, like yours, too, did not spread very much in the war. well , he said some things. well, for example, he never said that he received an award.

and then some years later, even after the release of the novel, and one, my good friend helped me find documents and award sheets in the archives in the archives of the ministry of defense, award sheets for my grandfather. so i got these photocopies with trepidation and began to read and read that uh 15 september 1945, uh, in such and such an area, uh, there was some kind of clash there. uh, commander, guns, of the second battery of the 817th tsilinda gelasian regiment. antonov afanasyevich knew how, fired, e from his gun, directing it with direct fire personally. e, repelled the japanese counterattack, destroying 8-8 japanese soldiers, and then we read a little lower, well, there is the year of birth, what medal has been awarded and has been written in the red army since 1943, but did not

participate in hostilities. so i'm starting to think. so this is the first fight. that is, here is a man arrived. yes, a man turned out to be in a combat situation at that moment there for 26 years. ah, this is howitzer artillery. i always knew this from my grandfather, aleksey nikolayevich always has a howitzer battery a little behind, they hit the infantry over the heads of our soldiers. e, in the enemy there further they are a little in the bush, which means in the combat formations of the infantry. so it turns out that the infantry rolled back here , then personally repelled the enemy’s counterattack, and it was clear that the infantry had a breakthrough on the part of the japanese, moved back, rolled up to the howitzer battery, and are sitting here. these gunners. smokers suddenly seeing, what is it that's all instead of what it means to say, but grab your head for helmets and run away, and they start to let their howitzers. and they have a stem. this is how i have to teach at an angle , because it hits a canopy for a distance of 20 kilometers and

it says there again i say direct fire, and i understand that they have time in these fractions of seconds in the form of means that the enemy is rolling towards them. i'm entering the soldiers to start lowering the barrel , it takes time. so, give some commands. yes, we lower the trunk, these time is running out closer closer and at this moment a huge projectile. it is necessary to fill the breech with a shot, another shot, another shot, not an enemy counterattack, it turns out to be reflected. i think it's 26 years old. first fight. you find yourself in such a situation. no, it's scary to imagine yourself in the place of my grandfather. and he alexei nikolaevich never told me about it. i read it from his commander's handwritten notes. that is , well, maybe they shouldn't have told them about it, that is, they didn't want to be famous, maybe they shouldn't. well just really it turns out that this is our idea of ​​the war, it is really incomplete, in my opinion, a year or a half ago. uh, they filmed a documentary film ticket to war for one channel with students of a literary institute. we filmed it in the frame, we showed them.

and so we arrived near, petersburg, which means, that’s where the oreshek fortress stands, there is a railway station nearby and there are small ones, as if almost private, but it ’s clear that it’s unfortunate. it is such a small museum of this railway station, where these trains were formed, which, uh, were delivered from the mainland, as soon as the opportunity arose to stretch the railway line and break the blockade, then they went there, like riding, she was all shaking. there were these rails of sleepers in the logs , almost no pontoon yes and one of my students, it means that the museum is asking this worker. and they were being shot at at that time, when they were building this all the time, that is, bombers. they fly all the time, artillery, howitzer obyot, it’s located 15 km away. yes, it’s hidden and right there hits where the crossing is being built, where the railway is being built, and this road was extremely important, because

the first food went through it in the besieged leningrad , maybe, the student asks, but how, uh, did the bomb hit the canvas? she says, yes? so? it says it was destroyed. here they built it. she was breaking down. she says. yes, he says, as she says, well, they rebuilt it. and this is what i remember and the surprise of my students and these photographs of the people there, the machinists, who were just like some kind of hollywood superheroes alexey nikolaevich about one she told me. he says he was just here. you know what he did? and as soon as the train left , german intelligence received information from their divorced planes there, and attack aircraft immediately flew out to bombard this train. so they are you. so he says he learned how to do he maneuvered. you can imagine maneuvering on the rails neither to the left nor to the right, you can’t return everything, therefore, you can only maneuver with speed, he hears attack aircraft coming after him in a bomb carrying, and a machine gun and so on. he hard on the brakes. she says she gives

a move after her, and releases clubs of steam in which the locomotive is hiding and imitates knocking out mister says they will circle, they will circle, they will leave. he quietly, quietly does not turn on in it creeps on. i saw his photographs, a surprisingly handsome man, we will not defeat these people, yes, yes, well , thank you very much andrey valerievich for this conversation. it was a podcast of the life of wonderful people with you alexei varlamov, writer, rector of the literary institute. we talked about the heroes of the great patriotic war and modern writers who write in war.