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this is a must-read podcast. i am aglaya, nabatnikova director and writer, my guests are the writers andrey rubanov and anastasia tolstaya, a specialist in nabokov e, a literary critic translator into english, we are discussing lolita and a novel that is made by a letter by a world star. andrey, please tell me, i know that you are you love, and nabokov is an example of russian language skills for you, but at the same time, he is very cold and it seems to me that he does not like his heroes. it doesn't turn you off in your best books. he loves, of course, his heroes, because this is not possible, and he loves the governor and understands him and this lolita , too, a dollar cgs.

he, too, either he loves her, or tries to love her, as he tried to love america because he came there , because she gave him shelter, she gave him some more or less prosperous life, which he was deprived of all his up to 40 years . he uh poor. and he glorified with you. she gave him no. well, as if, again, through europe, first it was printed in france, then in england. and only then, in some fifty-ninth year , fifty-eight. well, no matter how they forbade america was a puritanical country, but it describes to the letter that these are those subscribers who subscribed to themselves this french edition. let's say this is a dubious publishing house, and they let him through at the border , and only then, uh, american publishers, making sure that the customs officers let this book pass from europe to america, only then did not agreed. e publish, but nevertheless prohibitions. it wasn't in america.

it is nabokov himself who describes that there were bans in other countries, but specifically in america, the novel was not banned, oddly enough, although america is indeed a very british country, the funniest thing is that there is a contradiction in this, as it were, inside america and which i am sure, nabokov seemed to realize that in the most conservative states where is the most pronounced puritanism, as it were. these are the same states. where? eh? just the opposite, marriages between there are allowed, they are completely allowed there twelve-year-old girls in the fifties . that is when he writes this novel. are there states in america where it's legal? well, of course, he was a man of the european old culture, who came to the new culture and wanted to please those people . the so-called general public, because i think that lolita about it, well, well mortally laughs. uh,

lolita's passion for cinema, cowboy films and themes no less. he himself, in my opinion, would like to get into the cinema where he is krinized. and at least. when i read a novel, i see what is written. somewhat graphic. i would say that the finale, uh, were written absolutely according to the precepts, and the masters of uh hollywood and uh, really the film adaptation of lolita did not keep itself waiting, it made itself wait. means 53rd year, he finishes lolita film comes out 602nd 9 years. and he was already over 60, although he wanted to get into the cinema all his life from his youth. he even starred as an extra in berlin uh-huh 10 marks. he worked out. it got into roman masha , there is a cross-cutting theme, the sale of the shadow of a person, but er, of course, he did not like cinema and could not love it,

because cinema, from his point of view, was too rude entertainment. again, for the general public with andrei, because it seems to me that he is not everyone, but he did not like. i don’t even remember him like this now, but there were some very popular american comedies that he loved very much. he writes about it himself, and moreover, he took a lot tricks from the cinema and you even have a camera obscura. eh, the scenes where he shoots from above, as if a frame, and he describes the absolutely demographic frame from the car. that is, this literature has never had a lot of editing of this whole idea, which, as it were , came from nabokov's cinema, not only did he try to write his books. indeed, as if they were scripts to be taken, to attract attention. uh, and he had blomes all the time, you promised all the time that they would film it, and now, maybe you are there more you can even talk about it.

here but before lolita as if it did not work out, but there are two film adaptations of lolita yes by adrian lyne who shot 9 1/2 weeks and also prays and high average adrenaline level, which is like 9.5 weeks of erotica. yes, 9.5 weeks of eroticism is better, uh, and nabokov is just like such a high-class commercial hmm lolita, well, well, the cockpit did it. i think there is a cool lolita 14-year-old girl. he filmed with yuline. yes, i was 16 14. more precisely, yes. according to the plot 12, but he was told that this impossible 12-year-old wheel in such a roller. uh, use so they took 14 years. she became a star and the film is approaching 2 million. it collected nine. surplus profits will provide owls. in general, as i understand it, she later ensured a quiet life until the end

of the years, because apparently he received royalties. and we can say that nabokov sold his soul to the devil, that he took dr. faust, just such a gloomy manic criminal passion, led it into culture. that is, it seems to me that lolita and not all of this is copied by many later e works and in general, well, we can say that he generally blew up the culture with this plot, when you do something, write a book or a film or a picture or a song, compose or dance, and you still sell your soul. you are giving it away. in exchange for what you do, whether you are selling to the devil or to someone else, i don’t know, but it’s all the same about exchanging your personality for something that enters your soul , of course, devil. and here the devil, as it were, for a man whose father was killed, you know , who fled the country along with parents? here is the motherland as he said, i took

russia on the soles of my boots, he did not lose. it seems that he does not agree with this statement. eh, here, but at the end of his life he just said that i am an american writer of russian origin who lives in switzerland and wrote his novels in germany, but i don’t remember if he openly called himself a cosmopolitan or such a word as would, than the term it was not no. i'm telling you, some words are mobile; at his age there was no word movie star, but he calls film actress. well, that's great, but the fact is that he just loved words very much. actually. he painted all his knapsacks. cambridge, when he was a student, he happened to be at a fair at a sale. on some he found a four-volume dictionary, he wrote all his novels with these volumes on the table. that is, he kept uh, choosing words, and then i steal words from her from nabokov, as if they were writers, this is normal. i noticed from you,

well, i'm andrei's wife. i carefully read books, and there are. when i read a letter, i see directly the words that andrei fell in love with, for example, drug, when talking about drugs. well, he himself i know that he has a very good one, again, in my opinion, in gift. he says, i sit down or in other shores. i will read five pages of pushkin's prose the captain's daughter or belkin's tales, a sample of russian literature, and after that i sit down to write my own. here pushkin, you still can’t imitate pushkin. well, in this state, i did the same thing, that is, i wrote a lot of all kinds of advice from him to read, and tolstoy read this year for 150 years. uh togo from the moment tolstoy began writing annun, but there are a lot of funny ones too. e. so

start this novel. uh, this novel was originally called well done woman. yes, yes, and uh, in fact, the impetus for writing this novel was belkin's tale, he had not finished reading it. there is an unfinished story. pushkin and a. tolstoy read so what? e pushkin starts in the middle of the action. eh, it’s like a story that he doesn’t just somehow describe something there, but just an action right away. and this is how you should write. and this was, as it were, an impetus for in order to start it knees. naturally. it then turned out to be something completely different. ono, by the way, bowed before you blocks. i want to say that when i first read lolita i was 15 years old and i had a completely different perception than today, when i read this novel, i re-read it, because now i am already the mother of a teenage girl. eh, here, in fact, our andrey's daughter. here i see it

in a completely different way. that is, when i was trace it seemed to me that in the first place, uh, if we consider the lolita of the chess game, which plays nabokov as a counter. yes, that is, the reader, uh, is forced, uh, to play this game, yes, and either follow the governor and believe him or not, yes, because the governor is charming in his own way. yes, he looks handsome, he knows languages, he has great taste. and in general, he cares in his own way about whether the threads he seduces not only lolita but also counted. yes and so, we can say that i was fifteen years old and nabokov won this game. well, in general, by a huge margin, because i liked the province. you thought it was a great life. they travel. she drinks coke, he buys her new clothes. and she doesn't have to go to school. it's all so great. and it is so mysterious and he is so handsome, and he is so in general, and one might even say, not the first. he seduced her. yes, that is, in the same place , in fact, it turns out that she did not even understand the pancake.

but now, when i read, i understand that the horror is not even that e humbert raised the girl, but the horror is that he used her and put her in this prison, that is, he imposed on her a certain life whose life she was not supposed to live, and she was his slave. he did not release it, and in general, he used it and even all these trips, all these frozen cinemas. there are new clothes. it was all a kind of entourage in order to keep this girl captive and use her, and now i understand that this is, well, this is the destroyed psyche of this girl. that is, he is just a monster that devoured the life of a young girl, and there would be nothing beautiful about it. this is exclusively a tragedy of darkness, horror and some kind of demonic nature. i don’t know, here, maybe in a person, yes, demonic, maybe it is absolutely divine. well, here is the triumph of demonic nature. and now i perceive

it. horror, so now you have your chess game with sideways 1:11. he is already with me as the mother of a teenage girl, he cannot win against me. and you 'll understand that too when kitty grows up, i guess, right? yes, a good person. that's what you told me just now, that he is some interesting, educated, handsome in appearance. i did not consider all this with him there you are, maybe because i'm a boy. that's why it describes. well, when all the women fell in love with him a grown woman star? yes, but you married a woman you hated to get access to the child, you made, well, an act. well, i’ll say it so ugly, moreover, he wants to have children with lolita, so that later with his children and descendants. yes,

wait for yourself little lolitas and use let's say so, in addition, i made an important remark. he did not try to destroy, and then i repeat, she returned to the same place where he took her from, here in her own world. lolita remains vital when her finds. eh, gunbertana him to himself in poverty, but a happy marriage and enough of his life. that is, maybe, indeed, this question has destroyed or not destroyed the personality, but it seems to me that it is impossible not to destroy after so many years of, uh, bullying. unfortunately, as we know lolita cums. poor she dies childbirth, yes, yes. well, it’s like a part of the chess game that not everyone who reads this novel the first time understands that because the prefaces on the first pages tell us that both she and her daughter died natures. but this is, as it were, this is the uh culmination of the uh tradition. pasha love yes, everyone

must end badly, and in the career she must throw herself under the belt. uh, here too, as if everyone should end their life unsuccessfully, but still pay attention. and why doesn't he make this girl interesting deep. that's why nabokov, because it doesn't matter to a man whether a woman is interesting or deep , how do you know, in fact, when humbert describes what a nymphet is? he says that the elusive quality that not any girl, 12 years old. we fit, and she doesn't even have to be pretty or some he is for very long. it's something special. this is something so elusive that only a nymphet lover sees. this is the moment of transformation, if you really know how to catch it, this is the moment of transformation. well, it 's probably like something like that, when the caterpillar turns into grandmother , some kind of moment of transformation, when the caterpillar really starts. that's just the very beginning. that's about butterflies

, too. well i don't know if that would be interesting. or there are no multiple butterflies, but he believed that a butterfly is an example of beauty, and which is not for what it is not needed. as in the sense of beauty itself. what are butterflies for these patterns of art? actually. well, yes, for him it’s you who have my positing power for him was art, because he thought that it should exist by itself, not for what, but simply, as it were, for for itself. well , this is a position and therefore, as it were, this is the answer to your question. is it true that he is a soul, but, as it were, everything in what we said there about some. it’s interesting there, he didn’t know whether it would work or not work for him, as for a true artist, the most important thing in a work of art, and yet. i think that lolita can be called a work, of course, of course, she turns the soul

upside down for you. i didn't read it once. it seemed to me sugary and that the translation although nabokov himself did the translation, but the translation into russian it is much weaker than uh. i can't read. yes, that is, a lot of the illusion of lettering looks better, there uh actually russian roman is much more sexy frank frank than england and in general, very, very many nuances, not only that he did not know how to translate jeans there, but uh, this is not the same novel, although he translated, as if the author of the guys herself translated. thank you very much for the conversation. thank you for coming. this was a podcast, a must read. anastasia was my guest. it was a literary critic, a translator for bokov, a specialist in nabokov a and andrei rubanov, a screenwriter. we discussed lolita on her side.

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forever young forever young

this was the song forever young on the 20 years podcast. later, sergei buba is our guest , babunets, seryoga hello. kostya, how glad i am to see you, i took it off my tongue, you know, right today, when i woke up in the morning and realized that today was shooting and i realized that i had to meet with you today, everything became wonderful that day, that is, they flooded right into the most wonderful impressions . you look great. you're bored. i look, i have a little swing back and forth. ah, familiar story. yes,

yes, you understand. and how do you swing there it turns out? well, the last time i dropped 10 kg, i decided to do it. well , relatively speaking, it’s a professional sport, i think i’ll go to the motodrome, work out and choose the most inappropriate place for this place. oh, the most suitable place is the sochi motor track . but the time, that is, i chose the most difficult time, when the sun is at its zenith, that is, the day of the hour. in an hour or two i had classes, and in full gear in a helmet i unlearned 25 classes and it is clear that i instantly completely lost weight, because, uh, when you are in a leather jacket, in the heat in a helmet. with you. everything starts to flow like iron. and you are recognized very yes, it happens. so, recently there was such an absolutely indicative case. i was walking along the embankment towards me, a man was walking towards me, who , when he saw me, simply screamed, yes, well, it just

almost sat down, it turned out that this was the commander of the aircraft, which we have in imeretinka in the hotel. there the crews live, when they have free time they go for a walk, and he went and listened to my song. and at that moment he just looks up and sees me clip. yes, this is such a miracle, how cool. there are such moments. naturally, when you are without a parachute and without feathers. especially, no matter how conspicuous, and no matter how people are so calm enough. but, basically, since i'm already local there, uh, people already live there. they recognize me, of course, that is, in stores. uh, in some pharmacies you don’t go to karaoke in restaurants there. in short, i don't go, i didn't happen to learn, because in fact it's difficult. that's what you need

of course, to have, uh, unprecedented, courage so that it doesn’t look like it’s not afraid to look straight from the heart, yes, yes. the most important thing, because when the singers start singing there, directly with a trained voice, how much yes, yes, but when a person comes out in karaoke who can't sing. well, likes, as i am here this dementia courage. you know, it took the microphones forward rushed listen, that you moved from yekaterinburg to sochi, but the fact is that i always dreamed of living by the sea, well, right from childhood, i was always drawn, and i i tried to make some kind of sorties , then i’ll buy somewhere a piece of land to build a house somewhere, something else, but , of course, there wasn’t enough time for this, yes, to get out to equip something there. that's the case i've always perceived. well, because something similar to anapa. probably because, well, somehow, people with bagels walk around naked. it’s like there, and at some point i just got to the imeretinka and saw an incredible beauty. again, in january it was about

20° warm there. i realized that this is how it seems a place where i need to live and in fact, i will live to love catherine yes, yes. the fact that the urals, you can’t remove it from yourself in any way. he is always with you. you are in another case in the ural man. that's why, wherever i am, the urals are always with me. the only thing i have here is such a deformation that now in every city. i'm looking for mountains on the horizon. but sincerely, because it has become a part of me. uh, the forces of some kind of peace, yes, that is, i arrive, uh, to adler and this house i raise my eyes and see that everything is in place, class, and the mountains every day different some new horizons mist, clarity different, they are different every day. and it somehow directly admires me , you can’t somehow be inspired by its shape. i

just know, uh, seriously. now i remember the moment when we flew from the tour together on an airplane, and we tasted a little, as they say, yes, we accepted it from branded ones. seryoga did not give glasses of semantic hallucinations. he is so slightly swollen , well, a faceted glass, but melted, but so deformed and the inscription semantic hallucinations. cool. seryoga such hmm nibbled looks out the porthole clouds of the archipelago. well, in general, in fact , i still always sit by the window, because it still charms. and how do you go about the process of creating a song, can clouds affect you, there are mountains, something there once you saw some kind of image of a hop and a line appeared in your head or not? or are you this music? come here, listen, it's useless to take music by the nostrils. it's unrealistic. she comes to you. and it's important to listen. and here is the

very moment when the spark means you flew in you feel that this very moment of inspiration, when it comes, you need to start recording. uh, without going into details, i understand that somewhere i am, uh, superficially here images, perhaps others will be needed, but i try to write down this stream as much as possible. it 's like, in fact, it's not even the first stage, but i always have the first stage, when i walk and suddenly some kind of image comes. here he comes incomprehensibly, as that is. it can be any event in life, really, love is a look, some kind of smell smell sometimes the smell works very strongly, then there is some image with which you live, as in a song, forever young, for example. how did this line come about? we were young, very young, very cheerful, having fun, having fun. we had such a wonderful party of guys from the architectural institute. we were very

friendly every day. it was like a holiday for us and the thought came to me that somehow i could leave this impression of youth somehow. fix and i walked with one line for a very long time. forever young, forever drunk, for three months, probably, until at some point there was some brawl in the club. in our club, which we opened, we built it with our own hands at the dormitory of the architectural institute, in which the glow began to boil. uh, here's this new music brewing. so some kind of mess began because. e area there was not the most calm and in the morning. when i lay down, it means that i began to take shape in an amazing way. so there are very few lines. that is, in principle, i had the first verse, and then i came in, my friend comrade and subsequently the director of the group caught hallucinations, oleg i

i say, listen, i just can’t figure out how to deploy the second verse. and he suggested that i could become cola, come on, as if the whole song was standing and another and a couple of songs were written on the same day on the wave, it’s worth opening this genie, and as if it all starts with your face. today, on a podcast 20 years later, my guest is sergey bobunets. why trample on my love? this is based on real facts, every time i record some sad songs my wife starts calling there asking you everything is all right. yes, that's all okay, what's going on anyway? but by and large. this song has a slightly different background in the early nineties. maybe you remember? ah. for some reason, i remember the feeling when i walked around vdnkh and

it was many, many centuries. everything was set up there. this is some kind of trade and from all the varks i played. the song ta-ta-ta denis roussos is a souvenir. yes? uh-huh that is, it was just such a general trend that such a decent song should sound in every market. uh-huh and when i have a zapa. this the thought that i would like to write someday a song that will go through the years and people will sing it, and it can always be sung, no matter how many years this song goes on, so. i have another secret technology. and when i write a song, i imagine where i am, that is , the atmosphere of the place in which i am, as soon as i begin to understand where, as i said, i rearranged. if it was a vegetable store, why trample on my carrots? yes, it is known, family

harm. why trample on my mother-in-law? i watched your previous interviews with nike educated when you said that i was trying to be funny, straight fine supreme star like i am still trying to try to live. thank you well, that is, yours is not based on real events it's more of a fantasy, because if the people who write the song about themselves, here they are for longing for here. what songs about yourself actually, but not the fact that this is reality? yes, well, as if imaginary at home some. yes, maybe this is how sergey bububunets wraps around my love for some reason.

why trample on my love? it's strange when you go crazy. i have a feeling of guilt. i understand you, after all, we sometimes. even have terrible dreams. i dream

that i will not live to see spring; i dream that spring has died altogether.

i left with one and returned with another. i need to leave you soon. i need to get rid of to get closer. what didn't explode, my head? i need to understand what i hate. i thought why trample on my love?

i didn't get off. why

trample on my love? i didn't go crazy. recently, for example, i adopted such a story, what i try to show in the songs. well, if it turns out the world is a little better than it is, people are a little better than what they are, it turns out. i have written many such positive songs in recent years. friday actually. that's when you show the world a little

better. uh-huh, people believe you and many people think that he managed to treat life like that, so i will succeed. and you know it worked. here is the combination of the eternally young, how like the bonds of such a serious and our passion for the cosmos. and in general, there romance part of the people believed this story, and eventually appeared. here is a whole community of people that walks with the flags of the eternal young, goes on hikes, the conqueror of the timber, and goes down under the water. uh, some travel. copes, that is, people who do something that they have not done before. and i like that i became a part of such a kind of history, that is, forever young, not only for everyone else, became e well a brace. yes, ok, but for me too. naturally. i mean the part about the movie brother 2. yes, because several generations

of people have received such an intelligible tool that you can rely on intelligible instructions. what is good and what is bad? after all, brother 2 was the most striking cultural event of the film, which the soundtrack to the film is as strong as the film itself? it's just that these are two very strong parallel works, and thanks to the fact that it was impossible to watch on cassettes. which artist is still singing. eh, confusion here. i meet. uh, slava petka is necessary, for example, he says, we have on each at the concert, they ask for songs of eternal water, and in fact, we have a city. a dream city, that is, there the songs were mixed up and for a very long time it was not clear who everyone knew just now. that's what a colonel is, no one writes him. all the rest - it was one kind of group. yeah tell me how you were contacted, how did you understand that or when did you understand that your song was in your brother, 2 experienced something. as it happened , some rumors began to appear that our

song was taken to the second part in the films . journalists began to call. well no, you guys are us with you’re confusing someone, and already there quite shortly before the premiere , nevertheless they came to us, they brought us documents and there, in my opinion, rose-colored glasses also entered, and there was all the moment, of course, we are like a real group, they did minuses, but the film required a version of the song where sukhorukov throws a bottle and screams, i stay here to live and there is part of the song, the first verse with a voice, as well. the second part without a voice is here, so we urgently ran to the studio and recorded the films. we see the gluing of one version and another here. well, she's almost imperceptible, but here's the moment, what are you doing right now? tell me, i live in sochi, you know, outbid, yes, and i always really , and i realized that communication design is mine,

that i like it when there are a lot of people, they start making new mess some new projects. and what kind of porridge do you have there, well , they built a barbie if you are young on the black sea coast, yes, that is a dream that i also thought, 20 years instantly. i agree the year it was built. now i understand, i now have a goal to get to sochi once again and cut myself in your bar for another walk, then you are so cool positive you live to the fullest. you breathe straight. uh, from you, the sochi sun comes straight, and people call some magazines. your work, well , the semantic hallucinations group, when it was called the most depressing group of russian rock. for some reason, for some reason, it happens to me that when i start writing albums, here, the previous album is called loneliness forever, and it starts with a very positive song.