so the weather is not ideal. hmm well, i've already got used to it for so many years in real life and in relationships, or even in fantasy. this is a podcast of the psyche, we are discussing how to live when you cannot forget your beloved mikhail horse tells our heroine alena how to act correctly and how to think correctly? you sometimes go to an art museum, where there are well paintings, yes landscapes for answers, and so on. have you ever seen an outstanding landscape or portrait or some kind of everyday scene, and are recognized as a masterpiece that would be perfect beautiful people, perfect brand new houses , they are perfect heaven, think about it the next time you go to a museum. pay attention to this. and you will see that we ordinary viewers are attracted. eh, those plots in which there is some kind of imperfection, some kind of break, asymmetrical faces, not very beautiful

, lopsided. yes, the collapsed bridge, it's interesting. you see, the ideal is not so interesting, just as different people are not ideal, they can be attracted to art by different people. yes, but, but there is fantasy in this and again strive for it, just don't demand that it be perfect, because it will never be perfect, there is always something to strive for. this is great again. no, the ideal is only your demand of the devil. well, stop being an adult and stop demanding, but still there are people who also strive to achieve something after work and lying down. on the couch he says, well, yes, no. well, i'll lie to rest badly lie on the couch after work, of course, just because you are so-so people, but what i can't afford. this does not mean that there is, how good you are, but otherwise it’s bad, too, give up this opinion of the man who lies after work on the couch no one can force you

to meet. with such a man strangely does not want to. let it be, to enter into a relationship with such a man and suffer that he behaves this way, the change is not transmitted, because you can change, of course, as if trying to change something, you can change people. well time then let's go in this guys. uh, the only thing, really, is kind of the reason he's not worth living with. this is what he climbed. telefonchik and what is most interesting that's it with him i get some such banal unusual stories, and i went to the subway carried in my picture, and in the back was written the name of the picture from the exhibition. she took them. oh, and the name of the artist. i come home and do work. well, we sit, eat, watch tv. my phone is lying without a password and a message comes from social networks. hello, i was on the subway with you. i liked you. so i decided to take your last name and find you vkontakte well here, i found you. let's get acquainted and this young man represents what is i

say, well, he read the whole situation there, of course. no. we replied that instead of admiring to say. listen mother well, it's generally to look at you the fuck. yes , like this. another thing is if you did not want such a reaction, no one can force you to endure this reaction. and then you tried to return it, as i understand it, humility came to turn it off. i say let's try it all over again forget what to block after that, he blocked me everywhere, deleted everything everywhere. all. he said that's it, that's enough. i'm already tired. i say ok. well, here it is important that he was not tired because of you, he became because of his experiences the essence, which they, when i don’t take you out, emotionally still why don’t they take you out? well, because he, well, as if he did not trust. eh, jealousy, you see, it's not trust in you. he doesn't trust himself. this is for himself. he feels this fucking danger because you are so

beautiful. i just didn't get it, you need an ideal. and he considered himself an ideal . you can’t even imagine that he is there with one such psychotype throwing him. he somewhere feels like an ideal, he considers, especially in words. he needs to show a lot. and why is that because he just doesn’t feel like that. he spoke according to the sign of the zodiac, and he is a lion in everything. that was his. yes, what he says and what he thinks are two different things, so here's what's important again, yes. and of course people can be changed. the question is how much we invest in it. and here is the technique for you and to other wonderful active women in general. i believe that the future of russia is provided by women, men are more and more disappointing to me, especially when i go to the subway and look at how they mean caps of air. here. uh, how when i watch them in the subway are not inferior along with women. i , uh, everything, more and more sad. here but in the relationship will be the most important thing now michael

is a special technique. how can you build relationships if a man is still not up to you? listen, pretend pretend to be fools, pretend to be poor, poorer than you are. pretending to be weaker than you are. so it is not necessary to always be sincere in a relationship and such as it is or such, or rather, as you would like to be, you can pretend somewhere and in something. so you can not dump on your men immediately you understand yourself. let's now come to something even more important. yes, we realized that not with the first man, about whom we are talking with the second. uh, well, you and i, probably, people will not want to restore relations, this task alena i i don't feel like a psychologist just because i'm not a professional. and here, as a professional psychologist, i tell a journalist

what and how a woman says, well, i don’t want to restore relations with a second man. and i'm telling you as an expert. can you do it? or try, but in any case , the responsibility is on you and do it to restore or not to restore the best calm state, and not because you feel bad without them is the first. yes, and the second. now in this new status, realizing it give yourself time to live without demanding from yourself. you will definitely start to do it right away , once i realized that it’s not what it is it’s bad there, i immediately demand from myself to change. here's tomorrow. no, you will suffer for a while and the third. well, start slowly. yes, that's right here to pronounce repeatedly the phrase that the absence of an ideal. it's not bad. this is not good either. these are just normal norms. yes, alena really likes to suffer. she likes herself in this state. maybe because i heard that when you suffer, you

you tell everyone how bad i feel for you , everything starts to feel sorry for you and thus attract. well , honestly girlfriends, all your friends like it when you feel sorry, but he likes it when he is already bored. listen, do you like being praised. it's admired like it because it's just the most focus to deploy. yes, there is alena suffering, attracting attention to this. i’m sorry, the girls sympathize with you, and there is alena, such a wonderful one, this one, who in social networks, everything in social networks , it’s enough that everyone is happy all the combustion rejoice. in that. you get some kind of response. yes, the people who love what you do, oh, who i 'm teaching for free, even teaching how to make jewelry to do now are on fire. that's the strength of emotion that you are now telling. it is, well, almost the same as when you suffer, run to the bath to cry. yes, i really agree. so maybe i

’m filling up with this, in principle, this is a hobby that i’m talking about, remember michael, he told you, yes, he plugged the holes so that resources would not leak out and fill this vessel. well here's the class, so let it fill the court fill it. well, holes again, holes are negative emotions, negative emotions - this is not a consequence of what happens to you , this is a consequence of how you evaluate it. if you rate it just come up so bad. why because i want it differently? and how i want it good. here is the formula, it is not provable. why as i want. this is good. why is it bad otherwise? these questions are impossible to answer because the truth is different than we want. it's simple in a different way, so once again, yes, this is not love, this is an addiction, we are summing up, as it were, some results, here, the second. i give myself the right to get out of this addiction in time. even despite the fact that i have been in it for 7 years. so what, i just now realized that this is an addiction. yes, it's hard for me, i

've been this guy for a long time. yes, it means there is a third one , it's not me that's bad. and he's not bad. it's just that life is so arranged that people go for it normally. i am ready to try to build a relationship with her ideal man. good the guys who change the pain there don't hurt me, they don't devalue me. here. i want to just try to learn how to do it and go into this, maybe go into this relationship with regular guys, don't demand from yourself that this relationship is received. you can get into relationships, you won’t be able to enter into others , you won’t get in. over time, you will develop skills in new relationships with people who are not very ideal in your fantasies about them correctly. here, come try it. just give yourself time and at the same time. that's feminine. yes, i don't have time is a lie. do you have time? how do you like

our advice? something interesting got for myself unusual that love depending on different things hmm that i need to meet castles in the air to be not so perfect is normal. yes? this is the main thing, thank you very much. you are great. well done. thank you very much. well, friends, we took apart the pieces of life of our dear alena, who wants to be perfect, maybe without even giving herself an account, so she builds castles in the air and sobs bitterly when these castles collapse on mikhail horse showed that on really not there, maybe happiness, it was a podcast of the psyche. thank you very much. forever young forever, i would like to write someday a song that will pass through the years and people will sing it, no matter how old this song is, how we remember eugene

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no need to have dreams because i really did and do a lot of ballets. ugh, i'm having dreams. sometimes a performance starts and some dancer cannot come out. mega, you say, well, you know, ballet, come on, i'm waking up in this hysteria. let's do this. hello dear friends. we have almost started our broadcast. uh, on channel one podcast, laps and the creative industry are with you elena kipper, clip maker and producer, and roman karmanov, ceo of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives and media manager. and visiting. we have the brightest sign. uh, the representative of fashion is more than fashion, but an honored artist of russia, in fact. there are a lot of designers sitting in this chair, and all of them are igor chepurin. good night, we are very happy to have you as a guest. good night. but we have already started talking about dreams. let's continue, because the intrigue. eh, the viewer is terribly interested,

how the dream ended, what the designer dreams about is called dreams. i have. eh, the dream from which i wake up, that we are preparing a show, almost all the fashion models are almost ready, but no one is dressed and the music of the show begins, and i see that the fashion model is not yet dressed, i also wake up in horror. so it's all horror. that is, it turns out horror. let's somehow creative industry. actually, let's move on. yes yes. what triggers the designer? well, that is, after all, mental, right? well, firstly, the number of objects that we understand, yes, design, uh, well, whatever it's called art, that is, it's street design. it's like industrial design when we're talking about the facade of a factory. yes, i'm glad that at one moment i began to enjoy not only. not only his direct profession, as a fashion designer. at one point i went into

furniture design. then i began to do interior design and i am grateful to myself that i was not afraid, then i started making scenery for ballets. for the costume department. then i made the design of the car to make the design of the iron. i did a lot of things and got there. it's real, my pride. it was last year. i did, uh, the design of the façade, and the factory that makes fiberglass. this is the strongest thread in the world, from which aircraft wings are made. well, and a lot of things, this is a russian company. i am very proud of the result. it's very beautiful, so i'm turned on by work. i am turned on by this life in the context of my curiosity. how to make it more beautiful or more modern, and this, of course, goes out of fashion for me, but that's all i do. even ballet i always do very modern modern performances, and my costumes are always surprisingly new and

for me this is also a new discovery of myself. so, what turns me on is the desire, uh, to give birth to something new and to be endlessly surprised, you know this with me. uh, there is uh observation that we have passionate designers in our country who have a lot of work. that's how igor is in particular, and the design industry. in general, it is a debatable question whether it exists or not. well, here's how it's done for sure. i am very happy with what is happening now, because now a lot of effort is being invested in what to designate as a very important phenomenon. and people don't always think when they pick up a pen that it was someone who thought, someone suffered, someone decided, or a cup, whatever. everything that surrounds us, but this is design and such a deep education of design. we never had a deep design education. now everything

is developing very actively. i'm happy about that and for example, uh, what a creative industry. now it is coming to the fore and there is really a lot of attention. that's exactly the generalization of design, as a certain culture. this is a very big victory of this time, and in this time, uh, it is important to express myself . and i am glad that the new generation is now more free in the phenomenon, because yes, i am present everywhere in design. but this is my choice. and when i was studying, there was always a fashion designer, a shoe designer, a textile designer at the institute. well, for example, i do fabric design and shoe design. and that is, i enjoy everything, and so, probably, modern society and modern designers must live. he must show he must express himself in different, different, different manifestations, that is , he should, in principle, have no time to worry about the presence and absence of an industry.

yes, but the fact is that we should be an industry. therefore, i, probably, am in our country the example when just a boy from the city of velikiye luki was educated as a designer of women's clothing, and served in the army. then, uh, i went to college, and then i just started working and worked in a very wide spectrum from ballet to building a factory, and i feel so very harmoniously in this and i have some kind of foundation. it seems to me that this industry is nascent. right now, someone on the other side of the screen, probably, sighed, upset, thought, but chepurin was actually hope, they say, well, in terms of our russian clothes, and he was facades, which means he was carried away in facades, and dressing beautifully. when we start already in our native domestic, after all, our brand. uh, it 's unique because we do about 10 maybe

a little more collection and uh a year because we do four main collections. we making haute couture collection. we do a lot of collaborations. we are doing chepurinsport now. that is, we are active, therefore, i believe that a woman in chapurin is always exceptionally good and beautiful. now we are picking up a little already the male audience. so i’m infinitely constant in fashion, but at night i either draw, but when a boy from velikiye luki there in velikiye luki had a desire to create and create what igorevich purin has today , it turns out, i think, e answer very honest simple. my grandfather was a leading specialist in processing flax and sending it somewhere. he built a plant from scratch, started a team , became a director, and then went somewhere further to build a new plant. my mother was

practically the head of a huge knitting factory, my father was engaged in equipping with modern equipment. e various sewing productions. that is, i, uh, i had everyone, uh, parents of light industry, and when i especially mom and earlier managers, when holidays they had to be on duty at night at the factory, when production was empty, and she changed and i at night, i hung around these workshops, inhaled the aroma of fabrics, looked at this equipment. i think it's just that it's purely genetically pressed into me, probably love for this story, and with that, i went. forward, i am very grateful to myself that i did not immediately go to college. it was probably the most important thing for me to do. i surprised my parents, because i went to a technical school and left velikiye luki for vitebsk, i wanted to understand what clothes are, how they are sewn, how they are built, what is going on with them, and then i graduated with honors

this technical school and only then moved to the institute and experimented. ah, all sorts of different stories, so i somehow had everything logically, and i probably didn’t even think about it. i recently caught myself thinking that i never thought what i would achieve in life, because i never thought about a career. i just loved what i do. every second i was doing what i love and somehow, involuntarily, this, but then another, then a wonderful client, then stars, then shows around the world. how it all happened there, but it's more love is love for people love for life. yes, this life is not loved, of course. but it seems to me that a very great achievement of this new time of ours was that, in principle, both a woman and a man and a child. well, literally in everyone, at least exactly in the major city of our country and thanks to all sorts of delivery services and, generally speaking, in different parts. they had the opportunity to dress inexpensively, but beautifully

practical, and now these opportunities have, in general, been cut a little. so the question is, how can we replace it? that's all and who can? yes, here this question is very much in fact. here we have these designers, these people in love with clothes, or is it always a piece of such a person whom we all know, but nevertheless, but for the country, someone, for the beauty of the country, who is responsible, of course , uh, personality designers, first of all, it's not about knowing about him or not. it's still a person first and foremost. for himself, who endlessly loves what he does. i suffer a little from what, uh, i see how the new generation, it focuses on t-shirts and sweatpants in the course of sweatshirts. this is a product that has swallowed their head and does not develop further.

unfortunately. i.e, as a designer and my team. we do a lot of collaborations where all this is present, but we make unique dresses, haute couture, in which the woman is a goddess, that is, the team is so strong and voluminous that we can do everything, a new generation. unfortunately, it limits everything to this simple, but inexpensive form so much that they have no future precisely as a personification creators of beauty, not just a product. i think everything is back to normal. everything will be sorted out, quite good, good brands appear, which are just comfortable clothes, i will not call them designer. no, just comfortable. this is also necessary. and i am glad that e pricing policy is democratic and people live in small towns. eh, far away. from moscow they can afford to be beautiful exactly, as they see it, but they still have to work and

work on it, but i, uh, risked a lot of times in a good way, when i entered into relationships with mass-market companies and we jointly and chepurin was the second name in these collaborative collections. i did this only so that a person who dreams of such a design would become such a russian designer. and maybe something is expensive for him, but in this version he can afford to buy some kind of collectible item, so for about seven years we have probably been cooperating a lot with different companies that make a very large volume of simple laconic clothes . i add design there and the thing does not change in price, but already becomes a different mood. i have a question, it concerns, probably, those who just, um, maybe can take a step into this profession, and it seems to me, uh, we are talking now about some kind of comfortable shapeless clothes, that is. eh, if we talk about

what to convey yourself to identify yourself and convey through the form, then, of course, you will turn to design. if you try not to stand out from the crowd, it is clear that you are there, and ultimately. in any case, this is some kind of stereotype that is difficult to go through. if you don't think about content and idea, that is, inside every design project, after all , there is probably a philosophy, of course, and meaning and meaning. yes, of course, how is it? where does it start with an idea? from what what is it, what is this process going on for a designer who can already tell, say, transfer this knowledge. that's it. well, briefly, but capaciously. i ’ll even say a little by another example, having done 12 shows in paris in the official schedule of paris fashion week, we all collections were about russia, but i never exploited theme of ethnography folklore. i showed anna

karenina lolita nabokova a story about anastasia, the daughter of nicholas ii, who allegedly remained alive and it was always a very modern design. for me. that's really always the basis of this deep meaning, amazing quality, but a very modern product, so when i start even with a client to work. first of all. i really want it to be singled out, so that it is individual, so that i spend my soul on it and make him deeply happy, and therefore i offer the most beautiful fabrics, the most complex technologies. i encourage you to experiment with volume. but my task is always to make a person happy and make a person beautiful, and ballet costumes. yes, that is clear, there are already laid themes. but you, as a creator, can convey the meaning even more deeply through the costumes. for example,

when i looked in one of the museums of st. petersburg costumes from films, i created them. uh, which of the designers don't remember this. in any case , there were wonderful italians, talents, such a difficult job that conveys this contribution and excursion into history and how everything sewn, how is it created? how is it done? feeling like it is not transmitted from the screen. but you see what depth of work there was to create from the smallest detail this bonfire every line, uh, i mean, sewing there thought, as if definitely my first ballet. i never dreamed, uh, of making costumes for a ballet, and the bolshoi theater took the risk of offering me to make a costume and scenery. it was an afirism on my part, because i had never made scenery. i agreed. and it's self-surprising there was a ballet of the thirty-fifth year by leonid

myasin, a former dancer diaghilev, and this ballet was made by the phenomenal henri mason, the famous artist of that time, and the son meatily allowed me mom to a guy who never did anything, redid everything. i went so deep into it. that i came up with the costumes, and the vykorska was up to the city, and there were a lot of movements when the guys lift the girls up on their shoulders and they go diagonally like that. i came up with, so the costume from the dark one was bright and the girl was the lightest. that is, i even came up with such things while doing, and in paris swan lake. i recently came up with a swan tutu like japanese origami. and this performance gave a completely different mood. he would become sharper more rigid and all this drama. she let it out more clearly, so, of course, ballet for me is also a certain thing, but my innermost self, but this is an important manifestation.

e yourself as much as possible for you are doing some kind of spitting into history, no matter how it sounds a little strange. right now i am very worried, because next year there will be a premiere of a three-piece ballet, the tempest, the last play of shakespeare, where i am in the theater entrusted to make costumes. i'm very worried because i go through everything, but i'm sure that we will do something amazing, after all. it's still engineering, because it's ballet. that's it, he still has to work with a ballerina with a ballerina. and it should be conveniently comfortable in order to do it, of course, of course, well, that’s why we were given a head to think about everything 10 times and create once, well , we still talk a lot about paris, we hear e attempts to limit russian culture abroad, associated with art with literature with uh

artists with our opera and so on. this phenomenon has touched you in some way , it has touched me, maybe more personal on some level, because i am in france there is angelina a visitor - this is one of the most famous french roars. i made four ballet costumes for these performances with him. and i feel, of course, a barrier and i feel, of course, that, probably, a gasoline lake. this was the last work with him. although we really feel each other. we are moving , developing and art is endless. and most importantly, still maintain respect to each other, and i treat my past and those people with whom i worked with great respect. and i will always think, no matter how they manifest themselves in any situation now. see you

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