[000:00:00;00] thank you 100 points to you so you get, podcast paws on the first creative industry podcast on the first channel in the lineup, podcast, paws our guest today igor chepurin and elena cyprus producer producer and clippers elena director of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives. i recently uh talked to a person who represents industrial design. and so we talked with him about the state. strictly speaking industrial design. and i asked him to draw me, so to speak, here is a diagram and indicate where we are in general agreement we are. he drew such a ladder, and so somewhere below we poked here, how it happened. we have wonderful traditions, industrial design, generally speaking soviet. uh, how we ended up in such a situation that, because the design we have is again at the point, so to speak, in the very initial

development. i think that, probably, it was design in the days of the soviet union. as such, probably not actively developed. and there was really no effort to do something individual. i even remember the textbook when i studied technology, the first line was that we differ in that it enslaves individuality there. and here's how the unity goes through here's the similarity, and so, i think, this was the main problem, when there was no reinforcement to make something actively beautiful. most importantly, it was already over. but it seems to me that the history of the soviet union is because if you take the twenties and collect the thirties, then how architecture developed. how e developed, the same malevich kondinsky how where she moved alive, if where did the music move and at some point? unfortunately, this

anti-individuality, it seems to me, has absorbed it, but everything, and we have come to what we have come to, because even if we talk about my profession. if you are a fashion designer, then remember the all-union fashion house - it was an amazing school and an amazing story, but there were many fashion houses that simply created five coats, four suits, how many dresses you have and then it was sewn for the whole country in the same color and did not develop in any way and there they thought more about not beauty, but about comfort production of all this later understandably difficult times of changing all sorts of structures. but i'm glad that i'm so many years old and i'm really in this time. i am proud, for example, and my line of furniture, it was still not me, but the italians, that is, the italians did not see the designers who can create an amazing line of furniture, and i did the same with the car when they

asked me to make cars, i made it a car, yes, a car design, but what do i mean that it’s just the time in which i live, it, apparently, it already needed and continues to need such, uh, designers, and i hope that i want to believe that i even believe that i am not alone, of course, i work. sometimes when i see designers with architects, how many talented young guys there are, they think very freshly, they make very juicy bright products. well, it's just a huge country, so far it's not possible to cover the whole country, but i believe. i really communicate with very talented young people, namely, who are engaged in, uh, industrial design, who are engaged in some kind of drawing of objects, that is, not in the profession, i don’t want to believe that they will force themselves not to be disappointed in this, because, for example, my generation of fash designers. if you watch high fashion fashion week in moscow and we had

some kind of pleiades who came out on this podium with seven collections, practically no one remained a profession, someone became. it’s just that someone has become an artist as some kind of apprentice, that is, it’s difficult to be a designer, of course. yes , of course, well, it’s difficult to be here, because there was no industry as such. and we started to create it and everything in the beginning is always very difficult. i really work a lot, and i don’t regret it, but everything is fine once i gave my life only as a profession, and i enjoyed it and get it, but this is a sacrifice that not everyone can afford. i see designers in different parts of the country. uh, i mean, now it's fashion clothes, yes, designers who are quite um powerful, but they complain every time that they lack investment and covid has undermined so many. uh, due to the fact that there were no purchases, there was no implementation,

not sewn off not done not bought not sold and what to do? here's what it takes. here, ideally, what is needed in our country is there is no culture of investing in design, firstly, and even more so, this has never happened in fashion, and therefore, either you live due to, like ours, damn it, due to the fact that you are endlessly work and invest yourself. well, it is very difficult and this development is very long. or when your loved ones can afford from you. and when i won the speech contest and went to paris what? to me to buy a ticket for myself, then my mother sold it, a beautiful suit of ted lapidus is a designer who dressed the beatles and with this money i bought a ticket, that is, my mother invested in me, and in this way, but this rarely happens. i would like to believe there are a lot of programs now. i hear and sometimes attend conferences a lot of government

programs that are ready to help a young designer develop. i am very happy about this and i want to believe that those guys who are complaining, who are upset about something, and they should somehow steer in this path, because it seems to me that there has never been such an m of state support for design and fashion designers in our history. share your experience, uh verbally and talk to interact with young creators, that is, or maybe some kind of educational program ever. uh, in general, not all children have the opportunity to walk around the factory at night and breathe in the ladies. i do a lot of lectures. for example, i recently came from five commanders from five cities. and i'm everywhere, uh, giving away my knowledge and i did it sincerely with pleasure, so i can’t say that i would like to create some kind of school of my own. it just

won't work, so i pass on either my knowledge or my taste in this way, because i can tell a lot about color , i can tell a lot about hmm teenagers. i really for all my years, our brand is 25 years old this year, therefore, for 25 years. i taught myself everything and sometimes i share. so i'm always open even. maybe it's not that i'm open, i'm the only one caught thinking that i have so many brilliant people have invested their love for me with their soul from clients. my very first clients were there. but demidov , the great actress, and these sane people invested their trust in golitsyna, who did not work anywhere. in italy, i realized quite a long time ago that the time has come to give back. that is, i have already taken too much and now he does not feel that i am obliged

to give it away, because it is impossible only to take from nature. by the way, speaking of giving away, here are the clothes. this is such a very influential thing the state, in general disintegrated, because people saw what is. uh, things are more comfortable, generally speaking, yes, and it had an incredible effect on their minds, that's the question. could it be, uh, russian fashion is about soft power now in the opposite direction. the fact is that wherever i show my collection, and i showed them in almost all the capitals of the world. i have never felt neglected. on the contrary, i felt at first surprise and curiosity, then support at my parisian shows were the most famous fashion journalists, that is, they analyzed studied, so i personally continue exactly the same way, so i already said that i

try not to notice the negative. you really need to sing and sing. you must sound and always sound high quality, so i have no doubt about it that this beauty will save the world. this is a very important saying, which always lives in me in general russian. fashion is some kind of special, and knee-deep city is something separate in the world, because, well, they seem to be inspired, some, but only some aspects endure yes, some signs are russian fashion as a phenomenon for the world exists i uh, when i did it seems, the third show in paris i asked a very famous u french fashion woman who was engaged in the press among the frowns. i say to sylvie, i don’t quite understand how she shows me her rusticity here in paris. hmm. she says everything is fine with you. you take russian literature. you

take russian music. your whole story is so formed that we perceive you, as a russian designer says, and how can we single out, for example, french designer, says exactly the same everything comes from the heart. everything goes through some of our cultural values, in which we were born this aesthetics. this past. it `s music. i would very much like russian fashion to continue to develop as a modern instrument, because i really would not like the themes of sheepskin coats, felt boots of kokoshniks, to be exploited, because this past time has been experienced. we have cars. we fly in airplanes. you must be very, but constructively consistent with the time in which we live, everything else is ours. culture. these are our aesthetics. why do they think and i was often told that russian women, uh, are the most beautiful, and i myself don’t know why they are

the most beautiful, yes, they are the most beautiful, but this whole story comes from the heart, because one of the famous photographer. he expressed it to me on here. why are russian fashion models so successful, and back where he says, they have such deep eyes that photographing is a great happiness to come into contact with this, so this is all again, here is the inner world that our culture gives us our literature. our upbringing, how our parents raised us, i see embarrassment from often europeans, when you open doors you let in, she somehow doesn’t understand what you want from her, and for me this is the norm for me norma and when a woman comes up to me, stand up again, upbringing, this is all from the inside and has departed from those times that somehow still boil in our blood. dear friends creative industry podcast, we continue the conversation an interesting conversation with the honored artist of russia designer

igor chapurin all episodes of the podcast creative industry. you can look at the website of the first channel 1tv.ru, well, that hoodies and this is what oversized clothes kill. eh, our feelings of beauty about it. already talked about today. here we are, probably young designers are also young. i think those who are just starting their journey. here are a few such tips or recommendations, where should they look? in which direction? it seems to me that the main thing is that the new generation is lacking. this is all the same knowledge you need to engage in self-education. always study history fashion, you need to study the history of fashion in different countries. you have to be familiar with textiles. i have very rosy examples, when sometimes a young designer comes to me for an internship, he does not even know the name of the sleeve. he doesn't understand. what words i say to him they seem abusive, and therefore

i recommend to the new generation. learn learn, because clothes are not two, sleeves and necks. this is the philosophy of a person, this is the inner world of a person, which he embodies in the form of his external appearance, knowledge of knowledge of knowledge, of course, a lot work. i don't know where to start college. eh, well, the institute at once. i don't know what factory i lived at a time when there were no mobile phones. i thought about it. how did my parents find me, but then it was somehow normal and there was no internet. and i started as a designer, when there were no magazines , there was no internet. that is, i was expressing myself, it seems to be yes, and now everything, perhaps, you are studying to enter the internet, there are a million courses, a million people, uh, give away their knowledge. learn. it's real. eh, well

a person differs from her person in that the creation is trainable and perfection, yo-mine, so you need to improve yourself and move on with your profession too. uh, young designers. they have parents. now, when i was twenty or eighteen years old when choosing a profession, if i told my parents that i would do animation, it would have sounded like this, in general, quite let's say so fantastic then it was that in the water economists were in vogue lawyers, there and so on. now the creative industry is flourishing here's what to say to parents of, uh, young people who want to become fashion designers, how much of a profession that will allow them to get on their feet, respectively. well, how is it supposed to start a family and so on. it seems to me that a designer is unwittingly in his profession, if he does not develop, he becomes a very interesting personality for

his parents, for his family, for his children, because this is a person who improves the world, in any case, a person who improves the world is a beautiful personality, so parents. it seems to me that they are afraid. no need to give directly direct and give birth to these amazing people who are in their own gar. it decorates the world of loved ones , decorates the world of strangers. it's really a very interesting time for e talent right now. and if you weren’t a designer and an artist, who would you be at the beginning, i dreamed of being a skater, and i had an idea, when my mother was at work, pour uh, open the room with water, uh, balcony to freeze and skate the artist perfectly transformed space. it was a little time of astronautics. well, life did not take life in the hedgehog of fashion and put it in its place, and i do not regret it, and into

space too. yes, i dreamed of being the astronauts you have seen, the greatest film of all time nations. challenge already. for some reason, i stopped everything from looking in the context of what i don’t understand. what did they call me? yes, i definitely looked, but i was just born at a time when astronautics was actively developing, and figure skating was number one in the world, so i took the most the best fantasies and wanted to be, apparently, the best. ballet in space in costumes by igor chipurin is the next step. it seems to me that in a rocket the rockets will be so huge that there will be various mini-productions, by the way, rockets. you haven’t tried it on yet. i have one dream - to make a design on an airplane of some company, that is, all the seats

are upholstered, that is, to make it so beautifully comfortable that people who get on an etner for several hours just relax with pleasure from calmness. and here is some in the very design beauty. maybe i'll make it, dear friends with you today on the air of the e-program of the creative industry. uh, in the podcast lineup. lad on channel one was a man who transforms the space in his unstoppable. igor chepuri artists of russia absolutely and the program was hosted for you by elena kiper clip maker and uh, producer and roman karmanov ceo of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives media manager was a creative business podcast, goodbye hello dear friends. this is a podcast

life is wonderful and i'm with you alexei varlamov a guest. i have a well-known tv presenter journalist, theokla is fat, and we will speak as a wonderful scientist of the academic layer. nikita ilyich tolstoy. this is the father of filakla. i must say, we have known each other for a long time and have been in the opposite situation many times, when the full name asked questions. and i answered. today we are changing roles, and i am very interested in what kind of conversation we will have, especially since the topic is very, dear, very important. nikita ilyich turns 100 this year. and here we are let's talk about him, as about your father, as about a wonderful scientist, as about a person who once made an amazing impression on me, like many students of the philological faculty of moscow state university, because he was completely different, he was not like. whom he

had amazing lectures, and although i'll be honest. i was not very interested in slavic philology, but for some reason like this, but he himself is the appearance of this tall, stately man, such a real russian nobleman, a count with a long beard, his speech. uh, his movements, his gestures. it was something absolutely incredible. what are your memories of your father ? unfortunately number 96, but really here in the twenty-third. we are celebrating the centenary of his birth. i have memories , of course, very, very warm, homely ones. and when you say that he was not like the others, then the child, the daughter , does not understand, does not realize, but i was always my father's daughter, and i, perhaps, i will say something completely different, but the philology of serious things. we'll talk more. it seems to me that

what i'm doing. uh, working on television, because i studied at a theater university, that i am somehow, uh, emotional, maybe, i hope, such as that artistically, that's all from dad. uh, because dad, despite all his scholarship , ph.d. glasses. ah, knowledge books. yes yes yes. he was a very funny and very person. uh, just so artistic, he sang some stupid songs all the time, he composed poems, he arranged jokes, and he, by the way, starred in a movie a long time ago. yes yes he acted in films several times e. once they were traveling with my mother in the subway to work. and there, from tretyakovskaya to leninsky prospects, i caught him. uh, just a subway assistant director, but because of his big beard. oh, tell me, please, you have such a beard. but you don’t want to act in films , something like that, dad, which means he’s going there . he presided at some meeting. it's science or something like that he says, well

, what do you want, what's in what? the actual proposal? but we are looking for extras for the film. e sergey fedorovich bondarchuk boris godunov ok then. maybe that means dad was terribly happy, canceled all his academic affairs for several days and stood in the extras at e in the film boris godunov on the coronation scene, which was filmed then in zagorsk in the trinity of sergei lavra, although the action takes place in essence, of course. in the cathedral of the dormition of the moscow kremlin so he disappeared there for several days. uh, and when he said uh hmm if he got a call from work or something. he says you don't say i'm on set you say i'm very very busy. and here it was scary interesting, and he didn’t tell anyone on the set either, which, of course, she didn’t know either. no , i didn’t know, the only thing that dad was still here was the end of the eighties of people who know the church service well? and

in general, here is the knowledge as it is, as in the church. there were not so many, and my dad was a very church-going person and as a child he served in the church and in general the service and knew everything brilliantly, so he was still very proud that he prompted a little, there he was an assistant and a second director. how to hold on how to act, and so on. well, this, by the way, is true, here we are. so i studied in the soviet years in the early eighties, and yet. well, not that the church was completely banned, but somehow it was clearly not welcomed there at the university in the student environment. he walked when the bright week was there, easter congratulated christ is risen, and he did not armor his religiosity, of course, but he never hid it. i must say that several of his students somehow connected their lives, someone just simply became a priest someone here, well, artemia vladimirovna and someone remained in philology or in science, but in a sphere close to the church. so, i

remember very well how my dad and i went, and he took me to church, we, we wanted to say, lived, but we still live, we continue to live in the ordynka. and this is just such a suburb of moscow, such a corner of moscow where several more churches were preserved, and several churches were open. i remember i went to holy week, and joy to the church of all who sorrow, and he stood there, he was nikita ilyich , i remember exactly that i went. and uh, hmm eighty-fourth year. here was easter. he always changed you with his favorite holiday, but i wanted to say that it was still somehow preserved, uh, he supported such an old moscow tradition that you go to church? uh, for easter actually. here on the procession at the beginning of the service, then for some time we were still there. well, maybe not for long, because i was still a girl, then you return home and talk after fasting, then you go to some other church. then and then

you go to visit odni and others or to us guests arrived. and this is such a full night, on the one hand, some kind of festive and festive campaigns. eh, also and conversations and friends, and so on and so forth, i was very shocked by this story from the cinema , because somehow i was getting ready just now, there i read some materials and memoirs about nikita ilyich well, you say it is written about the cinema, it is not said anywhere. but that's just what you followed. you were filming too. yes , it’s just such an artistic beginning of a craving for this, dad, and i starred as a child. me also caught just here, e dad by the beard, and at school, like this, some photographer came to me. so i came for glasses. come here, and me and uh, my classmate put us on the stairs. i remember shags. since then, i always go ahmata, and we ended up on the cover of the counselor's magazine, then for the second time some people came to the gorky

children's studio. come on, girls, here, we sent you and me to the file cabinet , e. well, once before dad, i starred earlier than dad. yes, and we, apparently my means, did not give children's glory, but peace. he also said that he had to get out. hey, you were filming. i will shoot. i had an interesting story with this gorky studio, also connected with the thick ones, that i had several films behind me in my there, i don’t know, 13-14 years old. and at that moment , our famous great director gerasimov was filming e. the film leo tolstoy means one of his later paintings, and he plays tolstoy and his wife there. armaka is playing there sofya andreevna and i are summoned for auditions. now i'm probably already a teenager. yes, i'm 13 years old and they call me for auditions, i have to play e

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but then events developed funny, that when it turned out that i was fat all this, it means that somehow they became even more interested, then, uh, then it turned out that my uncle is beautiful, then, as i know, maybe this is not true, but so i was told beautiful. uh, ilya vladimirovich became a student. ilyusha wrote a rather blunt review of the script. e, gerasimova and. b. in general, i did not play alexandrovna lions, but somehow they didn't get through to well, no. well, maybe i just didn't play well in the audition. the capital of this region is also called the most proud bird of prey. i am in the oryol region. friends. lyosha, how many rings do you need to assemble a shirt, of course, about 10,000 and that's it. this is done manually. can i learn how to massage a horse, not an ordinary horse, i have not done a massage yet. that's sulfuric

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russian fat people now goes in russia, in general, not so many fat people come from the second son. four sons and, uh, then another girl and a boy, also a rather large family, but what, in general, in those days was not such a rarity for all four boys. it so happened, but ended up in the military schools of the cadet corps. what was it called back then? my grandfather studied at the naval cadet corps in st. petersburg beautiful photographs of his e-cadet. and even

before the revolution. uh, as a young midshipman sailed on the aurora, it was quite a modern one. the ship where he passed. eh, the practice, probably, among sailors is somehow , that is, i also swam, maybe, correctly, i say i went on the aurora and, uh, hmm, i continued some kind of service , first as a student, then u already continued the real one. here is another who studied in e. hmm in moscow, in the cadet corps, the eldest of these of this four took part in the first world war, and and beyond and when civil begins. then all four brothers end up in the white army and three end up in the south direction. oh, and my grandfather. as uh, as a man of the sea, he makes his way to the east and joins kolchak's army and it turns out he was a personal adidat of general capel. here is my father when he told me this. he always remembered that in the film chapaev there is such

a scene, a mental attack, how they walk in black uniforms. just like that, just such a rank. e parts. eh, and, as far as i understand, these were parts even just from the officers of this compounded psychic attack. this is what we call a psychic attack. here, papa, this part of the general capel said, that is, he was going to enter there, probably, but not in the chapaev film , of course, but in history, probably in history. yes, my grandfather means, it turns out that we don’t have his memories, but we know that he was in this siberian ice campaign, another ice campaign. but when they , when they are 2,000 km, if they are mistaken, they passed in the winter and there is a story that he was taken out several times to be shot. one day he escaped execution, as my father told me by the fact that he was seized and it already means that they simply represent him against the wall and then he, uh, believing, probably, that it is red, he

thinks that it is red. why who else is it? maybe, uh, now take life altogether, and then he became like. well, now, it’s just like before death. all that he thinks about the reds is to say such a good good naval obscenity, and to cover them even then, it means that those who began to think somehow. or maybe, after all, he is not in common with anyone, by some miracle his grandfather, but he managed to survive. although the emigrant newspapers already wrote that he was shot for what, then there was news that he had died of typhus, but still, e, he was taken out unconscious in the last hospital train. e to china somehow through e, so chita is somewhere there, he ends up in china in harbin then shanghai and then he starts to find out where his family is, and how do you , i still don’t understand how they figured it out . he finds out that his family in europe in exile needs to pause here. i

tell you so, it's like a movie and for me it's really a movie and to be honest, i want to make a documentary film. here we are with my second cousin volodya, the fat grandson of another of those brothers, uh, whom i am now telling, we want to make a movie now in the history of our grandfathers and about mine, that means the other three grandsons of tolstoy mikhail ilyich andrey ilyich and vladimir ilyich turn out to be moving in a south direction and unfortunately, one brother is dying of typhus, and the other brother is already outbid, which is there at the neck, which connects crimea with the mainland. and when the reds advance, he rises, uh, to his full height above the trench and just from, uh, some kind of revolver or something, he starts shooting point-blank. uh, the chain of reds, which, in general, was suicide, it turns out a bullet in the stomach, and it dies

, in my opinion, just almost into the hands of his brother, but falls and now, after almost 100 years, historians have found it. maybe not exact right up to the very place of its preservation, but the cemetery in which they were buried, who died in the twentieth year in that battle, and there now stands a cross and uh, here. it is written that count andreevich tolstoy died there during the civil war vladimir ilyich succeeds be saved. he boards a ship and through turkey through galipopol through this gallipoli camp, finds himself in serbia in the kingdom of serbs in the croats of the slavs in migration and there in the twenties in the twenty-first year they meet two grandsons of tolstoy, their mother, their sister, the younger serbian fat ones the most serbian fat, and who lived in exile for 20 25

years, and there in exile my father was born at 23, and then his cousins ​​were born. children. e vladimir ilyich oleg a vladimir i. i am vladimirovich ilyushev vladimirovich and my father was born in such a small e-town performed in his homeland, the former austro-hungarians, huh? and then, when i went to elementary school there, but i still complained to me, i remember it very well that they didn’t let him out until the age of 5 to play with serbian boys, because he had to learn. uh, as follows the russian language and called him nikita and it was a conscious decision of my grandfather, because he only wanted such a russian name, which is not in other slavic languages ​​​​and damages a little more detail about his baptism, that, when they came to the orthodox church in serbia to baptize nikita, then the priest

refused the prestige, because yes, he didn’t know any nikita. let ’s let nicholas go. it's kind of good there. call me whatever you want, but i will baptize, as i know, as i can, my grandfather came to e, some kind of metropolitan, that means serbian who said. i know such a russian name, you can baptize nikita and here is his baptism, then there is one. photo as uh my father is sitting with this. you see, now i am ours after the death of dad with such a tolstoy ring, where u thick coat of arms. that means, apparently he was allowed to wear this photo. he sits very proudly. that's how it means, showing tolstoy's family family peach, and he studied at the russian gymnasium correctly. you understand, to belgrade so that he could continue his education at the russian gymnasium , of course, this amazing was also a gymnasium, where many or not taught. yes, that means that now, too, in the twenty-third year, the 90th anniversary of the russian house is being celebrated. this is

exactly the house, so to speak, the russian house , which was built by a russian architect, and, because the immigration was very large, it is believed that the russian emigration in serbia was about 40-45.000, and the serbian king alexander received russians with great joy, because serbia had a very large military emigration a and king alexander knew the russian language very well he studied in russia in the corps of the pastor and in addition, of course, the relationship of the serbs. the russians were very special and i will introduce what, of course, the serbs still remembered. uh, the liberation war in the balkans is still that war of the 19th century, which freed them from the turks from the ottoman empire, in addition, very educated people came to serbia, not only, but very many of these forty-fifty thousand were people with education with skills, young good professionals. that's all i mean