fuck, serious deep things are happening, they affect anthropogenesis. as such, because as experts say - it's not me. i mean specialists in the field of artificial intelligence and the developers of these neural networks. here, which often got out the thesis diploma, but what does he write a little? i am from one of these networks. so far i have been in india. i recently talked to her. i'm not a weak young lady, but i have goosebumps. i just got scared. that is, you physically felt. yes, this is a conversation. you are talking to a person. this moreover, this network is made in such a way that it does not have access to the internet; it is trained, since we have driven a wild amount of text into it. this is a linguistic system. she learned from books. clearly

she has great speed, and she is not stupid at all, the developers use the word singularity when they talk about such things, it follows that the way back. no, we either catch. we are , i don’t know who we are, we either catch this situation now and stop it, which will not happen, of course, or it breaks out of our power, and we won’t be able to do anything with it, those fools, as well as their listeners, who will say, listen, you are in vain an alargy, yes, and you don’t need to frighten anyone with conspiracy theory, because you understand that we have taught, they are nothing like that, of course, it's not like that anymore. it was like that a while ago, but that's a plus, okay? you are long gone. this is firstly, and secondly, uh , you don’t take jin back into the bottle, of course, if we have some kind of hope. it’s only for

art, nothing else, because art is our human everything the rest is imitation. and, of course, you can train the program, and it will give you durers, while not photocopies of durers or copies. and as if durer will be another durer, but only a copy. that's why we don't need it. i think that this is, uh, the only way out that remains for us, and uh, after all, our hope for art and literature remains in force, so i thank tatyana vladimirovna chernigovskaya with great pleasure for this conversation. thank you tatyana vladimirovna, i thank you. see you only for two. this is true, and i tell you, our dear interlocutors, as always with pathos, and now read life with hope. with

pleasure, dear friends. we've all learned a little bit of something and somehow. well, where without aisan sergeevich hello today, we gathered our thoughts about what and how they teach or should teach in a modern school. olga alexandrovna dmitrieva director of the shuvalov school in moscow electric, uskov founder of the e, school and university in yoshkar-ola. i am vladimir water. hello friends were on my podcast deans. e two moscow universities and at the end of the program. i asked them what they lack in first-year students, that is, those who come to them after school.

and so i want to share their answer with you and listen to what you think about this . the first thing you said is that there is not enough independence; they are very dependent on the opinions of parents, classmates, classmates, friends, and so on. the second lacks curiosity. nothing is interesting and the third is missing. as one of the channels put it , self-sacrifice. then the truth is a little explained, said that they are not ready to wait to endure, although here and today we remembered this is famous, and the experiment is one candy now or three, but the day after tomorrow, yes, choose. for the most part, today i would like you and i to start with this. we ourselves agree, we disagree . according of course refute something. it seems to me that lately, uh, we have been brought up conditionally from the contrary. well, let's say, but in my childhood , i had very strict parents in my childhood, so i allow everything to my children or you

know me at school. uh, they taught me to walk in formation. i didn’t like it so much, so i grew up and decided to open my own private school so that children go there, how are these bodies? yes , i have already thrown a pebble into the garden, and we have relied a lot on success on substantive success. again, successful for what, so that you are competitive. why is it competitive, so that you, uh, sweetly, sleep well, that you lived comfortably and this led to the fact that, probably, something most important from upbringing was gone from that is, we stopped forming good people and, uh, so that they, well, at least they did something. efforts on oneself, because education is actually about effort, when you are not given ready-made knowledge, when you are a little on tiptoe, as if trying to reach out, but more profitable ones are talking about this, yes, and profitable ones spoke and we will talk about an electrician. i 'll agree with olga alexandrovna in everything, but

i'll add a little. the fact is that, for example, at school they taught me to walk in formation. and i liked it in my private school too. i miss this. so why are you the fact is that those founders are not the same a person who determines the format by more than 100 percent. yes, there is. teaching staff the teaching staff is forming the format, and now the teachers are not ready. uh, teach the kids to walk in formation. although it would never hurt to add this at all, in fact, discipline and diligence have never spoiled anyone. that's why. listen, and here, maybe it's a trifle. yes, i just wrote a test today as students. uh-huh and i say guys, well, they're done, we're putting on a simple story. here is from the middle. well the big flow a quarter of the amphitheater, i say, hand over, uh, well , to the extreme one sitting on the edge, and then from top to bottom it’s simple, that is, two procedures in two moves three times had to be explained, we barely collected the papers. i'll develop my thoughts, but the deans have been voiced. yes, what is the problem in children

, thinking is not formed, the quality of thinking is not formed at all , the quality of thinking has fallen significantly. what does this mean thinking? well, well, a lot of things, but a lot of things, for example, the ability to abstract. it develops there by the age of 12 and should actively develop the high school, yes or just logic, yes or just the basics of systems thinking. let's say there is practically nothing, a low level of subjectivity. well, as we say, when a person thinks he is led, this is normal for him. yes, he does not know who he is, where he is, why where and what should be in a good version, that there are schools in a bad one. they work on subjectivity, there are several types of elite schools, there in moscow , right on subjectivity, subjectivity, that is , subjectivity - this is a bit of a dangerous road. yes, and you work in yoshka, of course, subjectivity must be balanced, because active work in subjectivity leads to an increase in goncentrism, and life will be difficult for such a person, and about the productivity of sociality. there will also be questions. olga san but here is the lack of curiosity. you agreed with this too. yes,

yes, but you get it right. yes, it's not that this is a pebble in your garden, but the deans were talking about the guys who come from you. why doesn't it work? i agree. i would like to add here. yes, it’s really difficult for the guys to fish. this is the biggest mistake, for example, in text analysis, that the guys do not can determine the main idea of ​​the text, and we generally have a hard time analyzing what has been read. and we understand this deficit, indeed there is , because most often a child cannot solve a problem, not because he does not know how to solve it. he doesn't understand her terms. he really can't read it. we understand this. we are now, to be honest, on this work we are looking for a methodology that is connected with what. this is why. they used to understand it there, so i hear such a subtext, yes, now i don’t understand a lot of information. i think now is the time information, maybe a lot of it is not of that

quality. the fact is that now, well, children who study with a smartphone since childhood yes, they are surrounded by sources of easy information, well, videos and games of interactivity. that's it. look at the story, when a person reads a book, he sees letters, but the brain processes these letters and builds plots in his head. yes, he almost smells. he is involved in all this. the brain created all these pictures accordingly. it does not enrich , develops, but when a person receives a finished picture, sorry for everything that is not in demand. everything is atrophying with us, but look, and when we say that children cannot do this, they cannot do that, we, in fact, blame ourselves. yes, because children are not responsible for this. and if we are so smart, and we understand all this, what should we do? well, it's good in schools, phones are taken away at the entrance and returned at the exit leads. this is to ensure that children go home. so yes, what should we do about it

, we need to accept that the phone is a soft drug, if we agree that our children consume soft drugs that destroy their mental realm. well let's keep doing it. if you do not agree, but you need to somehow limit the fact that if they have e, certain cognitive structures will be formed there by the age of 17. yes. probably you won't have any problems. the fact that a person is there on the phone is something, but at the moment when they are formed, well, this is a problem, you understand , that is, there is tissue forming here, well , it’s approximately clear what you can try to do or it but curiosity is still very much for me i just want us to get the impression that e educators don't understand. these deficits do nothing about it. to be honest, we are looking for forms of technology. methods. you know, once i wrote out for myself all the requirements for a modern ruku. i got a huge presentation because we were writing. well, i now do not exist standard professionals anymore,

firstly, there is the science of pedagogy. nobody canceled it. there are principles, they are very interesting patterns. this must be remembered. of course there are, and requirements for results. we develop functional literacy. we assign tasks developing educational educator. in principle, the child should learn the material of the hands. and this is what you need to keep. uh, when preparing a lesson in 45 minutes, it's hard enough. it is clear that every hand or every lesson in kindergarten, but it cannot correspond to everything. but the teacher, the teacher , remembers this, and in the garden we only do not give the child ready-made knowledge through activity. and yet to guide him so that he thinks, so that he finds answers. why so? and they, again, due to the fact that there is a lot of information that you don’t have to look for? i remember this one i had the great soviet encyclopedia. i mean into it, and here it seems to me that it’s time for a colleague to interrupt what gives an

easier one. uh, a picture of easier information that i have to work on, after all, to read a book. we need to work hard to go to the museum. this also needs some effort. and then you opened you easier access to information modern children are too well fed. they not only ate candy, they ate too much content. do you understand? the thing is, well, when we were younger a little we saw on tv two channels, on which sometimes we didn’t eat, something interesting is shown. accordingly, this hunger for content. sorry, for that word now, too, not all podcasts are interesting. well, yes. yes, of course, here it is. we removed books at the expense of books, and it was a developing story, but i will say click's selection of books, in principle, was more relevant, more developing than now. that is, we made toys ourselves with our own hands , it was all yes, and now everything is there, you understand, this forms a certain satiety and laziness. and here with

you won't do anything with it. no, i will say, so that humanity has worked out this story, the same british, for example, inclinedly speaking, the british elite, and they artificially create a certain hunger for children. yes, for something to be prophesied correctly, it will be correct, of course, this, of course, and now we have got into this abounding something. yes, there is a lot of content after the lack of candy there. yes, this is a dangerous story. and here we are watching what 's going on with hot chocolate, yes, and let the whole world wait, we'll show the exact rate and payment. according to the loan on the website point a person with prolonged anxiety often hears the light. or , for example, do not be nervous. thanks for the advice.

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and euripides. e, it's only clear and yes in the phrase that i said to my poor students, but thank god the mountains remember, yes, i have a question about the semantic plan in the meaningful secondary education school. what is it, and what should i do? what to cook here, then a little we started, right? or why else? can you continue then? yes, i speak as a person who, well, from the side of the university, yes, uh, has some request and as a person from the business expects. well, some, that's why we opened a school, because we are talking about some competencies there , knowledge of skills and abilities and all that, and for me the key story is the level of development of thinking. now, if a person came out of e, it means that e school has a certain level of development of thinking, plus definitely well-read, well-read, plus a certain instrumental apparatus provided for there secondary education of at least a qualitative volume of nine classes, because someone can do with this person.

but if this is not there, of course, there are difficulties, because these are long cycles, well, 10 years and what should be done for 10 years, then it is very difficult to say at the optimal time, by the way, yes, then it is very difficult to compensate later, therefore this is all i call the rich inner world. there's cognitive potential, blah blah blah. well, now with this, well, big difficulties, really big ones and uh, well, it’s approximately clear that do? well, that is, it is necessary to remove this one here, well, firstly, at school there is a lot of workload, there is a lot of workload, but you don’t understand much, that is, they chew on a bunch of facts. they try to remember it, but without some kind of contact, these things steal memory, so remember, well, it's impossible. i think the memory is stealing by others what they don't read. yes? well, there are things that develop also steal memory. yes, you at any time. you can see your brain is just rewiring. do you remember reading teach poetry there is something. well, there are some standard educational stories, which, in principle, memory form now much less of this . and uh, well, you know, the teacher is

not the same, well, the main teaching building. sorry, the teacher has gone. sorry for the last 20-30 years, it just sank itself, definitely, definitely a problem. yes, i don't want to go into a populist story now about what should be prestigious. this, by the way, is all true, yes. if i understand correctly , the chinese have the highest paid teachers, which means elementary school. not at all the teacher went. well, i didn’t generalize like that at all, because i see wonderful people inside the system, and you know what he is like. it seems to me that this is still an attempt to find a magic pill. she is in everything and also the school is some kind of magic pill. you sent your child, preferably to the perfect school, preferably in a year. yes, not even at three and in the eleventh grade some of the ideal portrait of a graduate. after all, schools are part of the society of children. here you want to change the children of the school, honestly, i have a recipe for you. approach the mirror. look at yourself and change yourself. at first, nothing will happen, otherwise

, of course, look. i think we are developing the system. now in two directions. the first is the alignment of just such an educational standard for schools throughout the country, that is, there must be a guaranteed mandatory minimum of quality education, for example, now there will be new federal curricula. there are no more items on the necessary and unnecessary. all items are needed there, as before. well, if you take some profile, you just add the second one. uh, the second is individualization, because now the guys are very different. everyone has their own abilities. inclinations cannot be said about a single approach to each child. you need something with you . 45 40 people were in the class, and they were very happy about the uniform level and all this level of content guaranteed to know what basic is. g in mathematics tell

us, that's when i studied a person with knowledge in the volume of the basic use in mathematics. it's a score of two, you know, it's a two by mathematics, as you know, mathematics is a key subject that develops thinking, you understand , a significant part of children now and schools leave with a deuce in mathematics. and this is guaranteed quality. our children win international olympiads , there is always one thousandth of a percent who are able to win the olympiads. absolutely normal. here and with this, of course. what is there, maybe you are sharpening a little polemically, but there is truth in both.