the cop does not choke with laughter and sing the song to the end. because sometimes it was so funny, unbearably funny. just, for example, well , for example, it means, uh, i have my dresser, who has been working with me for very, very many years. she is a dancer. i never say ex because there are no ex dancers. and he has everything on his feet. naturally. i once, so, found some big box backstage, hid it there and put it on stage. what is there? something will happen at some point. we have there is. uh, there was a tamport dance number , which we danced a ballet with and in one, and we opened the lid, marina climbs out in a marine suit and the musicians start dancing the bullseye, they all rehearsed the bullseye there and inserted a piece. this. well, i didn't know. it 's us, we are. i'll come up with something for them, they come up with something for me, ballet, for example, there is always something behind the scenes. especially

if we work at theatrical venues, there must be some kind of scenery there, something that only they didn’t find there, i i sing, well, maybe some kind of comic song , someone from the ballet takes a mop with a bucket and starts washing under the floor on the stage while singing. tin. yes, these were terribly funny, but the audience does not understand this. they think it's all fixed. yes, and the musicians are just dying of laughter. and you have to keep your face. and this, of course, is unbearable. be a brand that is directly ashamed of happiness, no such. no. this here delicately all the same artists after all. yes, yes, i think they are. when too. well, these collections were. well , sometimes they joked right there. i remember a musician came out. she played the piano to him taped. uh, the keys, like him, and he he

means, well, i how he yelled, i remember him, but he , of course, it’s hard to do it, it’s necessary that everything be. uh, just being so delicate and respectful to each other. you can invent anything. i also remember one very unpleasant moment. it was many years ago, when i was still working at the odessa philharmonic. and we had such scenes, one of the musicians had to go on stage with a briefcase. some bricks were laid for him there. and here he is, and right before the exit he came up and took it, and he understands that he cannot take this briefcase. that's tough, you can't joke like that. i remember that we also toured a lot and densely in one period of my life with just the mercury break dance trio, and we traveled a lot with lyosha glyzina. we were with his team , and here we also arranged greenery there. there

he has a song in which valera maklakov comes up to the piano and goes straight to the right place. moment opens the lid and enters. well, we didn't stick him. we just sat down on the entire keyboard with glyzin's calendars, and here he opens calmly and sees his face like that. she had all sorts of particles on the deaddess, well, in germany we worked it in the program and in the program it was like this. well, let's say a clown, so some reprises. this girl was a clown. and now you can imagine we are dancing, but we have a big team, there are a lot of us on the stage. we're having a rebuild. we have a drawing, which means choreographic and it comes out. here represent in front of us and begins to do some of his reprises. she thinks it's very funny. and we can't do this

. it's simple, but we somehow pushed her in the leg. well, it was only then that she realized that she was starting to leave, right? in general, you are generally a strict leader, like a carrot, well, now it has become softer. how many stars have come out of todes to let go of their solo careers? then, in our groups , a lot of girls worked, there and in cream and, uh, they come out. yes, a lot of us are in my ballet, two of us came from them at all in every hospital necessarily works. some of our guys from todes or from our schools. here, well, dance, in principle, here we are watching and enjoy watching. that means ours.

i now also often table. i work at different sites in st. petersburg in moscow and with. who else are you working with now? how if not a solo concert of yours, basically a performer in fact, that's with everyone, right? well, let's say, some kind of program or filming, and here she sent us a list like this and forward. we have a whole direction that deals with e. works with the stars, uh even the temples are doing this now and uh this is one of our favorite areas. uh, because it's always an honorable joy when we started working with the stars, my god, i remember, this is the first one. uh, the first feeling, we went out with sophia mikhailovna rotaru my god. i would like to touch her , this is something amazing, or

they saw larisa. here is the first time. this is some kind of magic, my god. how lucky we are in general, we are cool, i remember this very well, i feel it and it's always amazing. yes yes it is the collective, he was always to blame. he's uh, in and better not and i've been watching from the start. the very first team, which was strong , is simply impossible, what they did on stage, i sometimes forgot that i sing. i'm good to me. i think i need to stand with my back so that i can't see, because if i look back, god forbid i forget the lyrics, because they danced like that , it was just unbelievable to work together. better dancers have better voice in 2000s too. well, the competition is huge. how to keep the first place? well, not necessarily but right now i’ll tell myself about myself, it’s not necessarily right now for me there was never self-aiming. here is the first place to go. i just loved love endlessly love

what i've been doing all my life. i dedicated everything to this with all the awards that i have. it's just as a result of my love for my profession. hmm, yes, that's right, there is nothing to add. we never thought, but he should keep this bar. that is, yes, such a thought, and here is the first pedestal, there and so on. it just happened that way because you love your own business and take it very seriously and that's it. this is the key to success, and hmm, the key to the fact that you will remain on this pedestal, but the goal itself has never been. for me, the worst thing for an artist is a ban on creativity . there were moments when your concerts were banned. no, i never had such a thing, uh, they were forbidden to show it on television, but in soviet times. we had such a leader lapin who did not like me very much. and he, when only someone dared from music editors

insert my number of some program. he's cutting out. wow, it's hard, but there was a story that the kremlin banned it. there was such an editor. there was such an editor in soviet times. eh, do you remember the very promising surname pronin anecdotes? how many majors were there? so pronin means, uh, they were rehearsing some kind of concert, then i worked in the sovremennik orchestra with anatoly asherovich krol. and a concert dedicated to victory day was being prepared, and an arrangement of a very famous soviet song from the movie volga e was written. hmm-ra-ra, what was her name? yes, yes, and that means, ah. it was written in a jazz style, since. it was a big bent jazzy big bent kolola. i started rehearsing and started

singing it. so i sang, i go out, we go backstage. uh, this pronin runs up to the roll. says what is this nonsense? she 's an avid singer. no, you were breathing, and the concerts turned off me. what a disgusting thing . my god. hello. it was such a god merciful, we somehow, uh, this has never happened before. i can't even remember. i remember that we are still in soviet time in order to allow us to go on tour. we needed to lit. it was called a program, if we had music, yes, yes, a foreign language, we had to translate. this means that the translation should be printed like this and it should have been filled in with a stamp so that there would not be

any there in the translation. eh, something there that was not needed. here, i remember this, but it ended somehow quickly. and that's it. and no, i didn't, when i almost snapped. uh, the big program at the bolshoi theater was a concert the name of my plisetskaya. yes yes. oh yes, this is for us. i say, i am immensely proud of this, uh, she invited us to her anniversary at the bolshoi theater. uh, i saw us on tv in germany and they showed our concert. she says, well, she tells me this already. well, generous. uh, she says, you look how the guys dance everything. i want them to participate. uh, in my evening. uh-huh and imagine him leaving there. before their anniversary, and of course, after some time, it means that they decided after all.

it's natural to do it. ah, the play. well her memory. and there in the bolshoi theater, when the program , so she wrote with her own hand who was participating, and uh, someone from the leadership of the hmm very bolshoi theater said then, so from there it’s not our format at all, so no, on that shchedrinskaya, if there is no todes, there will be no evening, because the t-shirt wanted so much. yes and this is what the t-shirt wrote here with her hand. that's exactly what should be stunned exactly how it should happen. it was later that they told me the address in the summer he told me, well, this situation, so we danced. e. in a large it was our dream. yes, but that might not have happened. by the way, our podcast about dreams is called 20 years later, but it seems to me that we need to dig a little deeper, because todes is 35 and like our acquaintance. what i dreamed about

when there was no this glory yet. when there was no such grandiose success. do you remember your dream, so i will become famous and get rich and there is no way known and there was no getting rich. i, uh, i generally dream before going to bed always until now. i remember as a child, i had it on tv then , when i was little television of the gdr then friedrich gave it, this is what i have yes, for some reason, this is what i imagined. uh, it means that this is such a team, that the most interesting thing is that i didn’t dance there. this is amazing. that is, i didn’t imagine myself as a soloist there . let’s say, i already imagined myself for the leaders, which means that i was a choreographer, and here they are in front of me. yeah, that's all the time here, yes, yes, it was colorful too. so, it's all bright

and that's how i had dreams, and then we already did it to him. hmm. i say in our time, i remember that we thought there. oh, we need to be there so that we get paid more, or that's how much our people will pay us. here we are, just to go on stage, just to dance , and here i always say, guys, you should just, well, love, because you do, then only then without a crazy love for the profession, nothing will work, because it we have a very difficult sleepless nights planes trains. this is what it all comes down to. she is in the mood for health and so on, so here you have to be very strong. and this is the very first condition. it must be crazy to love your job in order to never get tired and never never regret having chosen this particular path.

this is a podcast 20 years later, hosted by konstantin mikhailov today we are talking about russian and soviet pop music and dance 20 years later, how to make money? let's just say how it was easier then or even now , this is the question. i never asked myself. and of course, it's a little bit better now, and in that sense, uh, well, again, it wasn't an end in itself. well, yes, never. i never. oh , i have to be in time. it is there that they pay here, and here more. and it’s necessary to go there, there has never been such a happiness, the characters have their own big fee, so that i remember when he came to power, gorbachev was allowed to us, like a nasty concert. i remember my first concert cost 500,500 rubles, or something, in my opinion, 500 rubles. yes. i remember that i was brought briefcases in the briefcase

were three rubles. here are the 500 rubles. would be my first such in general and the dollar was cheap everything was cheap and so on 500 rubles. do not remember, do you remember your first such solid jackpot and no, well, let's start with the fact that i always earned well. when i had six aerobics before the todes, i already had a dance school. well, that's not what it was called and the experiment. i earned 500 rubles. per month. can you imagine. i was 18 years old. i earned, as in the village, as the director of the plant, of course, i did not sleep. well, okay. i was wearing. i didn’t have a car, and then hmm for trolleybuses. here is what i

remember here. op from morning to night. and i also had two plots. i worked as a janitor. i got up at 5:00 in the morning. i have had two plots. this is how i earn money, 60, yes, that is, they already earned it. here here, here and here i am this way. and when we went on tour, we had a concert for five to six, these were collections. that's just sofia mikhailovna these are tours. i will never forget 189 concerts in 1.5 months. can you imagine three by four by six by five chelyabinsk workers. so on to the bus. and here they come in the morning. and so we worked in this way, and we bought a tv, and i remember in this one how we dragged. and this is the tour. this is generally an anecdote and videos were given to us then. it was just an impossible profession. it's the same material. yes, but larisa didn't ask you about

your dream twenty years ago. when i was many years old, when i still lived in the soviet union, i was not allowed to travel abroad for many years, and when that power ended. and they began to let me go abroad, and my dream was, of course, to see broadway, and for many years i went to a special in new york and went to broadway for all the performances and there was a dream someday. maybe i'll play the door idiot quite a dream, because it is impossible. it's unrealistic, and we had this thing called transferring, in my opinion, yes, people don't know how to dream. and as we see, what allah dreamed about came true, what we dreamed about. you came true amazing, this cube, by the way, it is magical, it also fulfills a wish. maybe you can now voice what you dream about for yourself in 20 years. i would like

to be in the same form through what now and not only in the external vocal form? fortunately, my voice sounds like 35-40 years ago now so in my opinion the best voice in the world, because who else and who else? well , i guess i still don't know. today i feel better at a party, better voice of the world, better ballet. okay, we agree, yes, in 20 years. it's amazing here, we're just here. it absolutely flows. uh too. i would like something that we are doing now, of course, i want everything to work out for the children , so that they are happy, of course, a cafe, please, so that we can be like this, yes, in this form, maybe , lose weight, maybe

in two years, here and do what you love, of course, so that the family is nearby, so that the children are here, so that that's what it was sometimes still allow themselves to relax. and you dream of love, you are two beautiful beautiful free fiery women, a brunette, a stunningly beautiful blonde. you are free now and as far as i understand, but open relationships or time is not enough and not enough, we are open, but time is not enough. i speak for you. you never need busy men just like you to mind their own business. you yourself understand, yes meet and enjoy. e communication. yes, i agree, of course, the whole vladimirovna, of course, the podcast is 20 years old. later. i had two amazing beautiful women, who have everything ahead of me leading

konstantin mikhailov well, i hope that this is also a boy somewhere. thank you for watching. run like a stream, only money is nothing in nature. you won't say wait, i can't be called, that's what you want, my dear said to you

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this podcast is a must read. i am aglaya batnikova, director and writer. today my guest is kirill shamanov, writer , art historian, artist, we will talk about the birch epic and his junk novel. hello cyril, hello. this 60-year-old guy from an educated and fairly wealthy family studied at harvard, studied medicine in europe, and then chose this path. uh, let's just say to sink to the bottom and go through, in general , addiction to illegal drugs, and he describes this experience in his books and quite unexpectedly becomes classics american literature is one of the leaders of the beatnik movement, among which is the galun gitsberg jack carroak, and in general, what can we say to both rosa whether he became

a pioneer, but because we know that irwin welsh, er. from transporting hunter thompson to las vegas, all they can say has been following in his footsteps. well, for american literature, probably, yes, but we also know there is russian literature, english literature, and in russian literature we know bulgakov's morphs of uh english literature. it's novel de quincey. uh, another 1,000 1,800. there are some tenth years, that is, yes, if we say, like this chronologically, as it were, who was the first in this whole autofiction. uh, such is the literature about addiction, uh, then, probably, this is still a de quincia. uh, but speaking of the beatnik generation, speaking of burrows about his books and his style of description, then, of course,

for modern literature for modern society. he probably really somehow managed to give m-m. yes , as it were, what it became, it’s clear there, well, a huge mass of people, there is popularity for this testify. and the writers of the beatnik they generally, well, let's say, how they differ. that is why they are called beatniks. let's talk a little about this cultural context. well, we are talking about the end of the forties, the very beginning of the fifties. uh, this is the american post-war generation. that is, it is the rise of the american economy. at the same time, in general, the rather poor state of american culture. eh, at that moment there was a need. uh, somehow make her dominant in the world. there buying american you buy the best american culture. they are many.

these are the directions of many modern artists during the war, and they created such a kind of plast e, literary including here, that is, you can talk about it as in such a political technology project, but as in any project with culture something gets in and talented always and really, as if here are a few authors for me. why do we say all these? so jan is fiction? let's call it literature. why is it written primarily in the first person? this experience is here should be lived, as it were, and it is interesting precisely as an inner experience, first of all. it seems to me so, and precisely due to the fact that this inner experience is in the form of such a step-by-step diary of some often poorly structured text. but it's like it's always there. here, as it were, the beginning, how a person began. there is some kind of abstract psychedelic period of this consumption of chaos and the subsequent, as it were , what came of it all, that is, well, usually all this is

bad, when the grave usually leaves, but in some cases, we suddenly we are faced with the fact that such an addiction managed to somehow rethink this experience and even made some kind of novel. you have experience, you have two books written also about a similar experience. tell me what this rethinking gave you when you went through this literature. i went to study all these twelve-step programs, and there is a rather significant layer there, these are diaries, uh, feelings there, uh. well, it's an inventory of memory, an inventory of the psyche. there are blocks of their own. that is, you just remember some people of situations that hurt you there or no longer hurt you. what was delivered to you and described in detail there according to certain methods in order to understand. in general, someone in this situation did something wrong, what is the situation and when you have been doing this for years, you have such a habit, as if not well, through yes, through

written some. yes, through written analytics, to make some decisions, that is, well, then i noticed that some characters, here, whom i describe, i remember or the situation, but they are so interesting that there is no way to describe them in these boring tables that something more literature is needed there. yes, what is needed is a story, at least a story is needed, i started writing the first few narrations and then somehow all of a sudden it all came together, there is a book a few years later, and it suddenly even became some kind of small bestseller. we will not return to the beru. for a bureau, he began to write after he got out of addiction. yes, that is, he having gone through this yes review of his experience. it turns out formed. e yourself as a person. we can say that, we can say that, but we can talk about junk romance. we say, i just directly suspect that in this revision, that is, e , he didn’t stop being addicted and wrote a junk novel, but he began to work with his

addiction and as a result wrote through the result. yes, this novel, and in which he is clearly expressed there, he has his thoughts , his own experiences, clearly there. well, uh , put it on paper, and what is this novel about? i mean, uh, let's tell a little about all these autofiction novels about addiction, huh they are to a certain extent, maybe to a major extent in fact, his freedom and the loneliness of man. i mean, about hmm, that's about, uh, addiction. yes, there are all these adventures, but uh, that is, this bottom of life, let's say american. yes, there are all these channels, but they are actually pretty, yes, like ours. eh, beloved pale sings all my stories, in principle, are similar, that is, all these novels, they really are. well, there's some man he's addicted to. he's the one there. well, there is more or less, but this moment of what he

understands. it's that he's addicted. there , he feels his own, as it were, this servile one, as if in front of some kind of drug of life. yes, that is. and that's what it was. uh , analysis, yes, that is, putting it on paper, how it tries to sort it out somehow consistently, because drug addicts are some kind of addicted people. they are often unable to think three sentences in a row in one pipeline. he's got to write down, that is, yes, that is, it's literal. here it collects the letter. uh, brains, uh, such people, yes, then is to work with these dependencies all. here are the texts of the letter - this is one of the most powerful practices, these are these analyzes and so on. and it seems to you that life is a birch , that it is tragic, because, for example, i see that he is incredible, lucky in the first place, despite his abuses. he lived to the age of 83 and died. a heart attack, which yes quite unexpected experienced even in his own son, and

then he never went to prison. although in america these years. well, it's actually in the books. yes, it is prosecuted by the law, everyone was sitting everyone was in prison, but i take the hut. prisons ah and the most interesting thing is that he killed his wife. that is, it was accidental through negligence, but how to see whether it was accidental or not, because he had a quarrel with her in front of friends. she humiliated him by saying that he was a bad hunter. he does not know how to shoot, and he decided to prove that he knows how to shoot. i mean , he killed his own wife, but uh, thanks to his rich family, oh, which i already mentioned he managed to escape. uh, punishment and maybe morally he was going through, it's because he talked about what experience made him write or what, he began to write precisely after this event that he experienced, but

nonetheless. it can be said that the man, uh, did not bear almost any responsibility and even his literary experience. and now he becomes a classic and becomes famous. that is , even at six. in that year , a massachusetts court ruled that his book naked lunch was a work of literature, and not at all. not something obscene, because the book was banned at one time, uh, but at the trial it was acquitted for it entered with, uh, norman mailer. aylon, gisberg, john chardy. this is a beatnik writer. they acted in defense, in general, of their comrade. but you can also say a rival. you understand that in literature does not happen. yes, such close friends are more like competition. well, that's what they all said. i read the minutes of the court, everyone said that this is a unique work, a unique artistic method. oh, and american society. let's just say it can't do without e,

this view without this language, which i presented, i take, that is. in general, whether he is lucky or not, you know, here i am, as an artist , after all. yes, that is, uh, i experimented a lot with different media yes, this is called art techniques, that is , electronic modern art and some kind of theater and painting, yes, and painting, whatever. and when i started writing lyrics. that's actually, somehow i began to realize myself. how exactly is the lyricist? i understood such a moment that literature is well, let's say from the point of view of the creative media, yes, that is, from the point of view of the creative material , this is the only practically absolute freedom, as it were, a method. that is, according to the classics, it does not require money to create , there is only you and in fact. yes , nothing can happen at all. that is, i can now go climb up from the ceiling on foot

to bring a diamond from there, and that's all. here, i have now painted a whole story in painting. it's all there in the movies. it's you all to yourself. the place where you can do it is animation, but this is also other labor costs, and this is this and this is the incredible accessibility of literature, the power of these images that you can create like this. yes, this, of course, cannot be compared in terms of creativity. m-m freedom of creativity. yes, freedom e creative expression in any comparison, of course, does not go. so you're always doing some kind of 2d art. or there, like a raccoon, you always come across some interpretations of restrictions, yes , restrictions on interpretations of distortions. and here you are directly in plain text. how so to speak, you cut it, how like you, that's all, that's what you conceived. that is, this is a completely ideal format, and in this sense, as if the birches were lucky that he, as it were, immediately

began to engage in this art. only then, by the way, oh, not only writers, he painted pictures. tell me about it. well, yes, then here's five. fifth sixties arose a huge galaxy of american artists and abstract expressionists. it's there jackson paul shortly. well, there is a whole one . these are the authors who are now hundreds of worth millions of dollars, and then they immediately began to build good money. i take a dream to draw such rather primitivist pictures, mostly on boards on some, and then, uh, all of her used to shoot them with holes. yes, they are all shot. and by the way, in a paradoxical way, it’s as if they don’t know this in moscow, but in st. petersburg, for example, one of these paintings is permanent from the position of the russian museum in the frame palace yes, and there was even such a very funny moment when i studied the second book. i am describing now this episode, when he studied at the russian museum, so to speak, there is such an alexander

, comrade borovsky, there is a wonderful art critic. such a director of the department is our course, we are teachers and somehow we go to him, and there are some paintings, i look like that, there is alexander comrade. what is it? the picture is there, and there it stands there. well, such two at 2.70 there are basques there, there is a picture of something like picasso, it’s worth something like a pack. so it’s in this and some kind of, peeled plank stands. i say it at all what they say, yes dumberus. and me just already at that moment. i already stopped using it, prescribed all these piles. it just gives me away and i've made contact. e with a birch through his material art correctly even managed to insert one hole at a time. it 's invisible there. i recorded my feelings there, as if passing a finger through the pictures of the world, that is, uh. as a matter of fact, he produced quite a lot of these pictures. they

are. uh, in many museums there is something like that, and i really liked it too, like uh, then i was also all like that at the dawn, so to speak, some kind of artistic career and not very much. i liked the creative method, that he draws a person and writes books and films are shot there, there he does some kind of video ard and collaborates with rockers in nothing in the form of a file. such a media format of creativity is very close when you are, as it were, the center of your own creativity, by the way, that's what you call performance correctly, when your life becomes the object of your art. and so you can do once there is such a concept that life is like an art of life, as a work, that is, there is historical material, how would yours be this kondra that is, it’s stupid, because why do they buy some paintings for expensive, there is some kind of orch, that’s because it’s the same worl, because there is whole life and so on. here in this episode of life. he painted this picture there, it was with that one, then that one,

it was checked there. that is, you buy this story, but what is history? yes text that is, it's some kind of you still consider the main direction. eh, the creativity of berouz, was literature, right? well, of course, but these paintings are such artifacts, and accompanying merchandising, that is, for the album cover, in my opinion, one of his paintings, when you get such wild popularity, there are, in general, t-shirts, there and everything. these are also birches. i think there were also t-shirts and some kind of hats, these are some kind of collectibles. there, too, you could somehow jackets. there are some branded ones there. this podcast is a must read. i'm an aglaya for a batch file, a director, a writer, i'm visiting kirill shamanov, writer, art historian. artist specialist in the art of the xx century. we're discussing william burroughs, and his junk and naked breakfast novels. listen and here,

in spite of his say. so elitism. it's in his books. i see that he perceives these residents as these konovalov pushers more flint than hipsters, by the way, the word hipster is also used by biogrowth, but not in the sense that the beatniks were actually hipsters. but the fact that now we use this word in a slightly different meaning then. it was a man who is in the subject of what you say about uh, these are inhabited, that he was friends and communicated with the inhabitants. he treats them as equals. although we understand that he came from a completely different environment. and so he starts hanging out with some, well, just bandits. delnikov starts stealing and well, in general, and at the same time, uh, there is no feeling of any hierarchy. i have a feeling. here is some kind of equality of partnership and brotherhood. let yes man be a wolf to understand that in this situation, probably, there can be no friends when everyone is hunting. yes, for some

drugs, and most importantly - this is a drug, but no less. i have a feeling that this is some kind of magical world. uh, bra- fraternal or not? i've seen quite a few uh kids. these are the rich parents. eh, they come in good cars, a week later the car is already worse, a week later the car is completely bad , then on foot. yes, and then on a new car, well , it depends on how the parents maintain, but in general. yes, of course, that is, in this among the use. there, in general, there is only one hierarchy. that is, there you have it, you don’t have it, that is, if you have it. king god and all you are loved and all your friends don't have you. nobody really needs you there. you know that, and as if the only thing there is somehow there, you can somehow credit something in debt there, it’s the very thing to crawl, so there, as it were, they erase these things, as it were, that is.