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while they could enjoy life, by the way. here is another slave of your charm stanislav wake up stanislav stanislavich. i am very pleased with yours. highness why are you holding this possession in your arms? glory to peter the great you need to stand firmly on your feet, i think this is a new and future favorite wilson rejoice, i'm not always a sister. you think it helps to justify your actions, honey, and not that you are constantly in a bad mood - it's also a skill. you and i have different ideas about spring , the english diplomat always keeps his word not say.
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and he tries to expand god. in all possible ways your king has taken it into his head to be friends with him. the question is not who you are friends with, and against whom you are friends, the age of new alliances will pass. everything 10 years ago is amazing. i could not even imagine that the british empire would enter into an alliance with prussia and russia would have to
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cooperate with france against austria. but the union is created by the lord, do not worry. three wolves, you see, that's the reason to eat our pavlushta today for a year and a half, where is the core? and he left. your majesty told me to stay and report. why didn't you report right away? i dared to come. i mean went. fine.
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president biden's surprise announcement he said. what really worries him is the use of tactical nuclear weapons by russia, it seems that this is just common sense, but until recently the american president said that he did not want a third world war, but explained that a nuclear baton in the hands of russia would not intimidate him. when i spoke here about two years ago and said that i was worried about the drying up of the colorado river, everyone looked at me like i was i was also looked at crazy when i said i was worried about
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putin's use of tactical nuclear weapons. this threat is real. but what did the american president answer to putin's next statement at the st. petersburg economic forum last week? and nuclear weapons are created in order to ensure, uh, our security in the broadest sense of the word and the existence of the russian state. ah, but in our country, firstly, there is no such need, and secondly, uh, the very fact of reasoning on this topic already lowers the possibility of lowering the threshold for the use of weapons. eh, here. this is the first part, the second is that we have more such weapons than strange ones. they know about it and they keep pushing us to start negotiations to cut the fuck off. you understand how she seems to speak with us. because that
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's it in this case, to put it in babble language. e of these economic terms. these are our competitive advantages, that is, in other words, president putin no is not going to use tactical nuclear weapons, but fuck if they want to prevent russia from having its own competitive advantage, but if anyone is too worried that this could lead to a nuclear exchange, conclusions from moscow to washington. let's listen to what the russian defense minister, general, said today about this. according to our information , the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine is planning all attacks on the territory of the russian federation, including crimea, with missiles. outside the zone of a special military operation will
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mean a full-fledged retraction of the united states of america and great britain immediate strikes on the decision-making center on the territory of ukraine it rolls at first glance, this statement is very militant, but i noticed that, uh, minister hagu, very precisely mentioned who these strikes could be inflicted on on the territory of ukraine, that is, these are the people who begin in moscow to loudly threaten the united states, how do we blank immediately uh, the white house and the capitols of washington, in general, they have long been, if they heard it correctly, then they should hear, that this is not up to the end, then that plans and even considers the seriousness of the russian leadership at this stage. general dukhinsky, help us understand what all this
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means. yes, dmitry, but firstly , a few words about tactical nuclear weapons, and i’ll start. i'm not what the president said. and what a few days before the president of belarus said that the first, uh, nuclear warheads arrived on the territory of belarus and then he said very interesting things. i, uh, don't think he exaggerated. uh, based on the fact that he clearly said that they would be placed throughout belarus, this means, in principle, a revision of our concept on tactical nuclear weapons - this is fundamental. why because back in the late 1990s, we announced how confidence building measures, e, that our tactical nuclear weapons are all without exception concentrated on the center of realized warehouses, e, centralized storage facilities of the twelfth main directorate, which is responsible for
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nuclear ammunition in the ministry of defense and is located in a non-deployed state this is important, because, for example, american w61 bombs of various modifications at six air bases in five european countries, they are located under aircraft in hangars. we consider them deployed. well, because really hang, er, a bomb or put it in a special compartment there. eh, a lot of time. i think it won't, so this is the first fundamental point, the second fundamental point is what the president has already said. yes, we do have uh nuclear weapons. e more times more. uh, than the americans, moreover, if the americans, this nuclear weapon serves as they say cementing the graft ligament and filling nato's nuclear potential. for us, this is in
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principle. regional means of deterrence, because along the perimeter of our borders there is a state that possesses nuclear weapons. is there a state that is planned by e without naming these countries just as a given? and uh, the third yes, and the president said, yes, and that's it, the time the americans even here, uh, when there was talk of concluding a new agreement to replace the replacement of strategic offensive weapons, after 26 years. uh, they kept asking the question about what's wrong with us. we need to start negotiations to reduce our stocks of tactical nuclear weapons. they included it in the instrument of ratification when the senate ratified with mv-3. they included it in the final commentary of the lisbon summit. uh, nato is in its 10th year, and now the president. yes, and uh, here's another thing, when i was finishing my service, our position
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on, so to speak, but conversations. not even negotiations. just for advice. we have already assumed that we can talk. eh, and somehow the overall standings. there would be different options will not. take time now the president is very clear. he outlined the position that fuck you, there will be no negotiations on tactics, so to speak. this is the second fundamental moment and the third fundamental moment is the statement of uh sergey viktorovich lavrov who, uh, commenting on the information that the united states decided to supply f-16, that f-16 just in case it is to carry nuclear weapons, by the way , not a single one spoke about it personally. yes, yes, and we had such a precedent. we when, uh, here in the early 2000s, when the americans were chasing behind ben lada in this massif of thor and could not get it in any way in this in these mountains. they
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highlighted the concept of an instantaneous non-nuclear disarming strike, that is, equipping with breltride and conventional warheads. we immediately raised the question that our warning system works in automatic mode, it does not discriminate, whatever head there is nuclear or non-nuclear americans to us, well, we had long consultations. we asked when you will notify, we will notify before or after immediately after we don’t go to them offered there. define combat patrol areas. well, in general, uh, everything. so to say, e was a complete rejection, but in the end, the senate forced the united states department of defense to abandon this concept because of the uh risk, very high risk. uh, misunderstandings and misinterpretations with the f-16. lavrov quite clearly
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put the same thing, so to speak, put the question on the same plane. we don't know what the f-16 carries on the uh board. and now regarding the statement of the minister of defense. by the way, he didn't talk about nuclear weapons. he said that if they crossed , it would be the line and try to strike at the crimea or at the territory of the russian federation there, maybe towards the shededu, maybe, uh, the tower from which the germans were going to set up, maybe this would be an american attack, the ms would put all this for 500 km. and this is all possible. but it is obvious that there will no longer be any obstacles from our side. and if we are not currently delivering, uh, strikes, or rather, on kiev, we are striking on kiev, but only at warehouses there and by the military-industrial complex, then it may well be struck at the decision-making center on
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well, the truth is, we hit one center there at the headquarters. e of the main intelligence directorate of ukraine, but i think it’s possible, so to speak , the list of these objects, for sure , is in the ministry of defense, and it will, e, implemented thank you general. and now we are trying not to make mistakes and are trying to check our facts, but this does not always work out and rarely, almost never , admitting a mistake does not give me such pleasure. how can i admit that yesterday i was mistaken in quoting e from henry kissinger, in which we attributed e to e, the statement that that it is necessary to make russia part of the european consensus, and this will happen a long time ago, and with the help of a change of power in russia, and of course, and
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i have it. my colleagues had the feeling that this, in general, sounds like capitulation. and that sounds like something, apart from the fact that it would be a crude quality of russian internal affairs. but this is something that cannot be achieved. without the defeat of russia, which it seemed to me impossible, when it comes to a nuclear power, and i can immediately tell me something like this, but i read it carefully i checked the translation and everything seemed to be correct. so i reacted, but we have wise channel leaders who drew my attention to how this interview was done. it was not a direct quote, but as if two different parts of the interview were given together, but i did not bother dr.
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kiseler, but i asked my bloomberg contacts absolutely. so this interview is arranged, i don’t want to say falsified, but clearly exaggerated, and the willingness of dr. kisich. recommend a change of power in russia but in fact, uh the main point in this interview was in such a singer asks whom he reminds of. eh, putin doesn’t remind him of hitler putin said no, rather than dostoevsky, but it’s known that dostoevsky’s favorite writer of kiseler sounds, frankly speaking, not so threatening, but in fact, this is actually a generally insignificant episode. he only drew my attention to how much they say, uh, in
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the united states, including in the american , that it is necessary to focus on changing the regime in russia and after that wins over russia if you want a strategic victory, which would mean that ukraine has signed a peace deal, then ukraine now has the right to attack in nato and of course, as a member. nato ukraine should have received not only appropriate security guarantees, but even more. and the number of nato weapons, that is, such an interesting concept of the world alexander dugin, you are a philosopher. ah, the maestro of geopolitics. so how do you react? and what about such a model, which,
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by the way, is proposed, among others, by the former ambassador to moscow, michael mcfoo, how do you react on such a model of a peace treaty? i think there are two interesting aspects here. the first thing, after all, the west does not want to change the regime, because the regime. i think in modern russia the west is generally satisfied. they want to change putin, but putin does not suit them, that is, putin does not suit them in principle, because putin is in all negotiations. from the moment he came, yes, but in general, if you are satisfied with the regime, then the regime is largely connected with the personality of putin, and it’s not easy for me to imagine the preservation of the current regime. and with another president, if you can understand, uh, our president himself, then we can agree here, but in general, if you look at the russian elite, look at our formal constitution, which is written according to
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western standards for our elections to the russian political system. yes, that’s it, if you call the russian political system a regime that suits the west completely and there is absolutely no need to change it, if it were n’t for president putin, who is guided not only by the formal signs of a liberal democracy, which officially exists in our country in the nineties, but for whom the concept of sovereignty is the concept of traditional values, the concept of russia as a civilization for him personally, if you like , is such an important category that everything else, all other factors of human rights, any agreements, any rules in the face threats to our state, our people and our civilization becomes secondary. and this is incomprehensible to the west, because they have the president and the people who head the state. but as
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usually technical, not part of that establishment. they themselves have no right to truly individual politics. own views, but in our situation it is not so and exactly. i think them first. eh, this line of our president is fundamentally not satisfied, that is, his devotion to the interests of our people of our state and the second point. but in what they are mistaken fundamentally, that any person. this is exactly what they don’t understand, who are now in the position of vladimir vladimirovich putin at the head at the head of russia, which is waging such a fierce war, will behave, if you like, in exactly the same way, because there will be no other person, no other person, no legitimate rights inside russia, no consensus, no support outside this patriotic field, therefore they they are wrong, and they are wrong in that they do not understand putin
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well, the most important thing is that they do not understand russia somehow. what is it that any russian person who would now lead the country would never i went to those requirements that they consider quite achievable, that is, without a starting position that suits us , there can be no truce for anyone. and we are now very far from this, therefore, everything will be decided here, alas, in this direct and tough confrontation. i don't think, by the way, as the general spoke. so that we will reach a nuclear confrontation? we have something to answer. we are ready for this, but that is why we will not reach it, because nevertheless, like some kind of logic, it exists at the other end. they understand that they are completely it's going to be suicidal poker when you can lose everything. eh, there is simply no reason, and the fact that they fundamentally underestimate both our president and our people and our russian civilization is also their mistake. i think that
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this is the most important thing, if they just believed, and sometimes here in some cases, some experts some. m-th representative of uh public de- publics in america believe. if only they would believe now that nothing will change neither under putin, nor after putin, and without putin , simply russia will still stand to the end, because this is our will, this is our history, this is our people. and our state. they would have talked to us, otherwise much calmer much more realistic. the fact is that here factors are much more serious at work than the individual preferences of one person. firstly, they will not succeed, since putin enjoys the full support of our population, nothing can be done with him and the elites listened to him, and on the other hand, even if one could imagine in his place another political people. he would simply be forced to pursue the same policy, and
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he would take a step towards the west. he just simply collapsed, he would simply not have been there instantly and came to his place. the person who said would also come. a deadly challenge has been thrown in russia motherland or death? we will fight to the end beautiful. koranchik nazarov leading director general director of mosfilm and just a few days ago you became a laureate of the state prize was the case. thank you. congratulations. congratulations. thanks a lot. thank you, i will not tell you that the award is very well deserved, because my assessments are in your field. frankly, e does not have much authority, but i can tell you that, of course, you are an absolutely rare person who combines a talent, the gift of an organizer, well, and the temperament of a public figure. thank you konstantinovich evaluation. for me, a lot. so,
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don't be shy. and in this context. i want to ask you as a public figure. do you agree with alexander dugin that a significant part of russian ruling class or can we say to the russian elite that it is really hostile to some kind of basic interest of russia indifferently indifferently. let's make your relationship, yes, deep interesting, as it were, to a large extent because of this completely. could suit the opponents of russia in the collective west. well, the patronymic agrees, yes, in fact, than that is, i largely agree. e, just e, it seems to me the strongest. uh, in politics, like any big leader in putin's politics. this is what he feels the historical process. here in this it's putin who feels the historical process , most of the e russian elite, or
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supports him. or at least willing to live with it. well, somewhere i want to understand, and who and why would like it to be different in relation to the collective west who and why in the sense in the west? well, you know, that's where i am to some extent. i may have unequivocally supported alexander gelich before, but it seems to me that now the situation has changed somewhat, firstly, of course, the west is an ideal. west is generally a political system, which existed under yeltsin. it was purely comprador, purely compromising in its purest form. here, with the advent of putin, a certain evolution took place and the bourgeoisie began to come in many ways, but the bourgeoisie is nationally oriented. this is a different bourgeoisie, and to a certain extent, the interest of this bourgeoisie coincides with
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anti with the national interests of the country. therefore, i think that here alexander gleevich, what you say is still present, of course, the comprador part of the elite, it exists, but still, it seems to me, to a large extent already uh, and it's not so, therefore, i mean, she is what i think she is. it seems to me, and plus to this the situation is such that e pour. this, in general, is not stupid people there and, in principle, they are already different, but there are different, there are different, but still a sufficient number of people who already understand that the choice has already been made , it is already necessary to go to the end. it seems to me in this sense. eh, in this sense, after all, the west really. eh, another thing is wrong, what's wrong? i don't quite agree with you either. we have some. when you say that the west does not understand us. and me it seems that we are also underestimating somewhere. they aren't that stupid at all. it seems to me that they have been watching us for centuries. they
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generally understand a lot about us. this is a different issue. that what they cannot do at all, but it is inherent in them at the genetic level, this is a phenomenal sense of superiority that they cannot hide. they still consider us, as in general all others below themselves , and this is their colossal mistake, but it seems to me that to a certain extent they know a lot about it, and maybe it was. uh, so to speak, a miscalculation at the beginning of ours, when we underestimated their ability, in general to unity to the ability of those to sacrifice the ability to fight. they still retain this potential, but another point is that they are in my opinion. for them the situation is today. such is which, firstly, on the one hand, they considered. that after all, russia will quickly loosen up with them, it was when they announced
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sanctions, this is true. well, to be honest , many in russia thought so. it was such a moment. this, in principle, is an amazing achievement, by the way, in many ways , our ruling elite is that russia is still did not collapse, there are no signs. this is not. everything exists, everything works, and so on, plus the huge support of the president. this is also absolutely new for them, but they are ready to fight. they haven't finished yet. this process. they understand that for them this is also a matter of survival, if they lose this battle, they really lose their hegemony, which, in fact, has already begun, look that's true, but not life. here if you lose we lose in life. they lose hegemony - that's a lot, but it's all the same. and you can live without hegemony in this sense, it is necessary for a western person to know
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hegemonics for him, in my opinion, he cannot exist without it. they are accustomed to this 500 years of undivided domination over the world and and it's time to wean it's time. i absolutely agree with you absolutely and moreover, this is already happening. we see this happening thanks to the roll, by the way, but i mean, hmm, don't underestimate them anyway. they are ready to fight. and at they still have the will to this, therefore, i was , so to speak, warned against what is characteristic of us yes, we always have some kind of such, yes, a cap of zakidatelstvo. this is called sometimes correctly. here i am always, uh, happy and grateful when they warn against throwing a hat, because it, in the first place, interferes with the correct one. len picture, and secondly illusions, when they are not justified
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have the opposite result absolutely here, i just want to ask if the general would be female. uh, of course, it is at least obvious to me that the vast majority in russia supports the course of the president. secondly, it is obvious to me that in the russian elite. as you rightly said in the koran, there was a certain evolution from the beginning of the military operation, when people saw that it was not against the president, it was not against the authorities. it's not even against the country. this is against the people, but when i think history looks at the history of the first world war before the february revolution, then, of course, there was discontent in the elite and there were problems with the authorities. in general, the monarchy fell, because against it a significant part of the army came out, including a significant part of the binolith.
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is it possible to say today that the president, or maybe a reliable support operation? and the tops of the armed forces and the usual officer rank and file. i am absolutely sure of this, because it is like the president. e, well, let's not, so to speak, remember the nineties. there were even early 2000s. uh, the reforms were not very successful reforms. not everyone agreed with them, including inside the ministry of defense. but uh, after , well, let's say so, here's the second one, starting with the tenth from the eleventh year, the president began to pursue politics, and with the advent, and general shoigu as a minister. defense reforms acquired, firstly, a meaningfulness. secondly, uh, they began to focus specifically
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on the well-being of personnel to improve their professionalism, uh, that is. more attention has been paid to combat training , more attention has been paid to, uh , social arrangements and, uh, the material well-being of officers, i do not separate generals from officers, because this the general is also only the highest officer, but returning, uh, to a special military operation. it is here in general, that is, the president reacts so quickly to all, uh, requests for uh, when he is pointed out some mistakes, uh, including the ministry of defense. well, the last meeting with his fodder to him, uh, the president asked not such, but uncomfortable questions, he answered all the questions , moreover, when he was told that there was a delay in payments for the destroyed
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equipment, and he must say that this is a completely natural phenomenon any financier. he er, he is inclined er they say so, we do not refuse to pay. well , just now such a moment, we will be there later. well, that's not not in kind, and we 'll give benefits there. of course, these are all these financial tricks. of course, they are good, maybe for the state for the budget, but they are not very good for specific people. the president said quite clearly, for me this is news, so to speak, but we will fix it and it has been fixed literally two days later, the minister of defense came up with concrete figures. how many man got with the quote? well, that is, a complete breakdown, so to speak, by category and by amount. that is, i must say that , as far as i know, the same thing and, uh, care for the main officers about retirees. uh, moreover, one more thing, uh, people, uh,
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get injured, sometimes severely injured, and according to all the regulations, by order, this person may not be able to serve either. well, we have you know, that's on order. so not physically ready. here, people are completely different. the president is coming you will serve you will serve we will find you a place it is not necessary, so to speak e to return to the operation zone there, uh, again uh, to the trench. you can say so to work somewhere, in a headquarters in some, that is, people who want to serve regardless of what they receive. so to speak wounds. this is very important for a person who has decided to devote his life to military service. thank you very much, we are leaving for advertising and will be back in just a few minutes and i hope, e evgeny, to help us understand the situation on the fronts. but
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we are discussing the ukrainian contour offensive. well, let's listen. first, what does secretary of the security council of ukraine oleksiy danilov say about him? there are no deviations from the plan developed and approved, what kind of plan a limited circle of people knows, but you should not expect that the counteroffensive will end in a day or two in three, but there are tactics and there is a strategy. well, that is, everything is going according to plan, until they seem to be particularly moving forward and themselves admit heavy losses, which president zelensky himself says about the destroyed patriot systems who would not tell in russia that our patriots, allegedly all of them are destroyed. they all work.
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they all shoot down russian missiles and shoot down as efficiently as possible, not a single patriot is destroyed. yes, for sure, from zelensky’s point of view, this is how zelensky always believes that if he said it’s completely called, like carved on granite, but the american press reports, based on e-mails from the cia from the ministry of defense, that there is objective evidence that some patriots were destroyed do not report. how many? well, when zelensky says none, well, frankly, dreams are dreams. well, now let's see the assessment of the counteroffensive, the former high-ranking nato general, now president of czechoslovakia petr pavlov, i said that they have one chance this year, since if the counter -offensive by witnesses, which, as we obviously are, would not be successful, then prepare a second counter-offensive, fundamental for the outcome of the conflict, for objective
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reasons will not work, that is, the first offensive is going strictly according to plan. uh, not a single patriot is shot down, but it is not explained what it means, uh, in practice, and can we assume that russian aviation russian air superiority has already been neutralized, but the third, and very important for me, is the statement of the president of the czech republic that, in general, the time does not lie, that, uh, zelensky needs, but to demonstrate. and that they can really achieve serious successes that they need to demonstrate the same now. uh, you know, time flies by. i find it hard to believe that it is already the second half of june. and in september, general davniev october begins, well, in october in the donbass
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, somewhere in october, september is still enough and the ukrainian generals are public. they say that this offensive, no matter how fast it happens. so, if something is not happening now , then it will not be easy to compensate later, what do you think general you know i uh, if the plan uh, the command of the ukrainian armed forces is to, so to speak , bleed as much as possible uh armed forces, then it is indeed fully implemented . you know, first of all, i'm not, uh , a supporter of who these theories are, that it's still valid now? uh, not yet, nor the main stage of the offensive is again some kind of probing reconnaissance in combat. they have already lost about three brigades and out of 15 trained ones. yes, they still have power. uh, but nevertheless, western technology is already at war with might and main. the same leopards
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, the same bradley, well, there were no challenges yet. they have something else, so to speak, in reserve and will be thrown into battle. but i always said, and no matter how hard they tried to convince me there, that now there is another war, that now high-precision weapons of hymers, that they, so to speak , compensate for the lack of, uh, aviation and speech, not even superiority. speech is in the air it's just about air support. and how our aviation operates is very effective army aviation helicopters. uh, army aircraft. as far as i know, the main part of, uh, armored vehicles is affected precisely from the air by the absence. uh, military air defense is also affected by the complexes that they have, these are stationary complexes. they are forced to drag them to the line of contact. there they become so to speak. uh, the victim of our uh drone strikes, like there geraniums and so on
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lancets, uh and a number of other uh, hmm models, so, uh, i'm sure there will be more punches, of course, but given that they're not even to the front line. uh, they didn’t approach our defense, but they are fighting in the combat storage zone in the combat guard zone and they call the grounds there, and the task of storing it would be to see the enemy and move beyond the first line of defense. uh, and take up positions, so to speak, until now the battles are going on in the outpost zone, so i don’t know what the first line is here. there is no defense yet, definitions. no. no, she is not only not overcome. she 's like, they ain't even close to the first one defense lines, and there are the second third minefields, what they say, we did not expect that there was a minefield well, sorry, then it fell out to study at the academies. they should have known that uh minefields are, so to speak, one of
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the main elements of engineering equipment in the area. especially uh, in the conditions of active defense, the fact that we forced them, uh, to go along the roads, and there to destroy these columns of armored vehicles - this also, so to speak, does not paint, the command is in full force, therefore , i think that the most important thing is to they are not crossed some you know, uh, cathartic act, like, there's a strike on a nuclear waste dump. uh, there at the zaporozhye nuclear power plant so that they can cause radioactive contamination of the area there. this they can, ah, if they continue their offensive in the way in which they continue. i think that they will not succeed not only there. they uh will get uh counter that they can't imagine. alexander i have a question for you, if you want philosophical psychological, of course, he, then
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the other country had some expectations, which turned out to be not fully justified, and in russia, many including me had a feeling, but not that the ukrainians would meet the russian special operation with flowers, but i expected. eh, a little more on the top. i now have fears that we are slightly moving from one extreme to another and are starting to think that, as they say in the west, support for the zelensky regime in ukraine is solid, and long-term support is very small with him. what can be done, and not like goals for you, that there is a place to some extent for the so-called stockholm syndrome. when the people who as if they don’t feel any special love for zelensky when they understand that this person and his entourage are controlling them, they want to see, especially when there is some kind of long-term military clash, they
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want to believe that, as it were, the people who control them they will be saved they will be saved. will it turn out that, as is often the case with the victims of the stockholm syndrome, when spetsnaz combat boats appear to save them, that they kind of begin to wake up and their desire to defend their e, kidnappers quickly stops, i'm exaggerating. i think that with ukraine we are dealing with a slightly different situation. it's not just steelhole syndrome. this is a certain social engineering, where the people who inhabit ukraine have very fundamentally transformed their identity and strengthened the idea of ​​almost mythological, almost irrational mystical, and mystical ukrainian nationalism. this is a huge power. we are its traditional and liberals. you did not
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manage to convince them so quickly, the roots of this were a deep feeling of strong patriotism, which blocked and largely liberal communist ideologies, as soon as they are slightly opened, they do not come to the surface and create a colossal energy. and if this is manipulated by one's own interests applied interests, providing these in themselves are very deep. eh, feelings of love for the land, for the motherland, for the language of culture, if we give it an even exalted political character, then society can be changed here too. i think that it 's not about zelensky at all, zelensky just became. uh, so conditional sent this wave wave and without it. i got up and it was just a technical element, and with this, i think we need to think now how to work. this does not mean that ukrainians can refuse zelensky, but this nationalism is on the rise. this is where it goes
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much deeper. i think we need to work on this very, very seriously. we need to present our own idea, an idea that would not just exclude ukrainians, as they exclude us, about which would include ukrainians in the context of the powerful empire we are recreating. i want to say that those who events that took place at the st. petersburg economic forum, where you took part. i also took part there, when three flags were raised three flags. and the imperial flag is the soviet flag and the flag of modern russia is the president. it was observed , all this was shown. this is a fundamental step in formulating the continuity of our imperial and soviet ideas, and this is also a powerful thing. she is not, uh, not russian, she does not exclude anyone. she does not seek to conquer someone, but this is the answer in my opinion. empire is the answer which can deactivate ukrainian
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nationalism and plays on it. the west artificially support it zelensky or without. because if it were not for zelensky now, this nationalism, released from the dungeon from the depths of the unconscious , will not go anywhere. and we have to deal with him differently. i agree with you that it is not necessary to overestimate uh consolidation, in fact, it largely feeds on the fact that we did not offer ukrainians our ideas of any specific until the last moment, we offered in fact, we really were police boats that come to deactivate terrorist leaders, but we were not carriers of a separate civilization. this is now in the course of your own. do you remember that, it turns out, russia is not just a nation state that maintains order and suppress unrest somewhere in its area of ​​​​responsibility. and this is a special civilization. and here it is necessary. in my opinion, take advantage of these factors now. we will need to deal with the population
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of ukraine for a very, very long time under our control. i hope from another exit. and generally out of this out of this situation will not. and of course, we need to integrate them in a captivating way and integrate where we are, what we offer ukrainians. the west has already offered them everything; now they know what the west offers them and the west bought them not just for liberalism. he bought them for nazism for hypernationalism. and he also discovered what was forbidden and that it is forbidden in the very west to fight this is not so. just. i think in this regard that we have a much purer fair good kind, but no less powerful idea of ​​our civilization. the rapacity of the eurasian russian east slavic and we should not be ashamed of this, just as we were not ashamed at the st. petersburg forum itself of these three great flags that flew over the cultural
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capital of our motherland and we saw how the president observes the process of raising these three flags. this is the most important ideological federal of his face. what is called spoke for itself, said almost everything. here you are using the expression. e vladimirovich lenin, you are not even an engineer in an architect human cinema is exaggerated. we have the most important art. and now the big task is in ukraine because, of course, the first task is for the armed forces. this is obviously the second task - this is the economy. this is also obvious, but true. here, as alexander dugin says, a lot has not been done that could have been done, and i somehow thought like this how they managed to call their population and in such a short time, and then i suddenly thought, and hitler came to power.
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thirty-fourth year, of course, 7 years even maybe less than that for 5 years. the people of goethe were genins, turned into a crowd, and hitler was doomed. moreover, it means the degree of the left people, there was a powerful communist party. erotic we will do something. well, i absolutely agree. with alexander gelich. you are right, and i also remember, so hitler was before he came to power. he wrote very interesting about the germans, this minecraft is. sorry i read. i think it is necessary to read sometimes such books for development that the germans are completely devoid of patriotic feeling, he he reproached them for not having a national feeling. the germans. it was absolutely right before that. how many in six years
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he turned the germans into an absolute militarized. uh, the most powerful armed force, but to your question, which you alexander glebovich asked about e. can ukraine today? yes i agree. with the germans, as the germans used to resist, like mad, as we all know, how mad in berlin everything is already my late father fought until may 11, he removed the saw, he had already capitulated, and in pila at baltiysk now they are still uh, they continued to fight , but it’s interesting, if you read it, so i recall the memoirs of the germans of that period, many write that as soon as hitler committed suicide. many write. it was strange, like nothing happened. as if still like chimeras, as if dissolved.
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yes, there were people who shot at officers and other things, but on the whole the population accepted this surprisingly calmly, as if there was no war, as if there was no all this horror, as soon as hitler did not. here's how as if he is some kind, but i agree with you. in the sense that they were certainly created and to a large extent. eh, it happened. well, i think it's our fault. in general, this is in the ninety-first year, russia pushed ukraine away, actually. this is the ninety-first year. it was the initiative of russia and russia is the first to take its sovereignty from its own empire. of course, sovereign by this, first. eh, russian and so on. well, advice, as he was the first ussr declared sovereignty, then the initiative, of course, yeltsin well, yeltsin was on the russian president was in fact a belavezha. russia pushed ukraine even the communists for this sovereignty vote.
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that means how. it seems to me that this huge mass of people happened, by the way, mostly, just the most russian-speaking non-nationalists. for those, everything was clear. they remained absolutely homeless, moreover, the idea was removed from them , and in ukraine the communist soviet idea, as far as i remember myself in my youth and in the army, so to speak, it was very strong and in fact this idea was quickly nationalists they replaced that part of the majority of the russian-speaking population of the population, which turned out to be absolutely without e, without them they had to be identified somehow. here they are yes as alexander to identify. here is this nazism in this nationalism, what do they need now? well, they need. in general, i think that in this sense , of course, they need some kind of, but to offer ideas, how much the imperial idea can
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drag them out, i don’t know, it’s different. no. i agree with you. what is it anyway?

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