by the fifth year when they return here are our soldiers, our officers, our soldiers return home, and how they are met. this is a huge trans-siberian road. at that time he was somewhere in siberia, he, on the contrary, makes his way from the orphanage in the opposite direction and returns to his place in leningrad . husband. and to whom do you come husbands are mutilated invalids, this is the bitter side of the war and this boy himself, who travels with these soldiers, but who draws a wire profile for them, he makes, and stalin's profile , this is the atmosphere of time. it's really conveyed in this book. remarkably a. great. and it seems to me that this is also such an important facet of military prose. e transfer even that's not the military. that's exactly what he saw through the eyes of a child given by the eyes of a teenager is what he needs to remember the faces of the voice of the character. here are these living

people who made our victory, no, not monuments. not a monument. about andrei platonov , by the way, another very important name in russian military prose, because platonov's stories are about war. this is also such a very important page. in platonov's notebooks. there is, an amazing recording will dance and trample the memory of the war. it seems to me that literature intuitively feels that this is something that cannot be allowed to be done, but these are books. e participants in the war. and here's a question. why are writers modern writers of our own generation and even younger ones, why do they not have military experience, but turn to a military theme. well, here, perhaps, we can name a few such key works that have appeared in recent years, but i would name maybe three books that made a big impression on me. this is the novel falcon frontier by sergei samsonov. this is the story of ilya

boeshov, a tankman or the white tiger and the story of eduard verkin cloud regiment. so, as far as i understand, when a sergey samsonov with his story got into the debut award and you were the chairman of the jury, then, well, tell us about your impressions about your decision and about this book. when i started reading, falcon frontier, here, when just now he headed the jury, uh, debut am. i was somewhat wary, because the military theme for me personally is not for me personally as a writer. just like for a person on she is significant important to me. uh, and i'm so wary, so, uh, i opened roman, but when it's already hmm , let's say you don't immediately roll into it, because i must say, it's not written quite simply , some kind of complex is written. andrey bely's burk

is such a complex syntactic construction that you need to wade through them, but there is something for which it happens not just, but everything fell into place when i realized that seryozha was writing a modern liad. that is , when i realized that we have this confrontation. rather, in his novel there is a confrontation between two aces. uh, this german pilot and the soviet stalinist sokol zvarygin. and this is a confrontation. i thought how the confrontation between hector and achilles in homer , and then on. uh, soviet military roses, a myth comes for sure, and it is noticeable even at a technical level, because if you start reading this book aloud. you will see that she sometimes goes into exams. he rhythmizes this prose , that is, if not just with his eyes, yes, quickly slip, and look carefully, then you see how the adjectives line up and

everything adds up to a certain rhythmic. eh, sample. so this is really practically an ejector, and this was a huge risk on the part of the author, of course, but i think it's a lot of work. i think big yes, but he won. of course, look, despite the conventionality of the mythological space and the way that sergei samsonov uses. i am in some places. here in this in this powerful one, like iron sheets beat from each other for exams. and sometimes i could not hold back my tears, despite the unrealistic nature of the narration, that is, samsonov, standing on the katura, absolutely like an ancient greek choir in an ancient greek tragedy. he managed to penetrate precisely into the tragic plane by creating, well a really big major work, and it is very different from the prose of the lieutenants of the twentieth century, very, very emphasized by the conventionality of the events taking place. although

personality. although there is uh, and practically the details and a lot of hobbies, it is clear that he studied the material, it is clear about it. by the way, we need to talk more today, because this is one of the important differences between modern prose. the fact is that, a-a participants in the war, uh, and bondyrev and i'm afraid of vasiliev and so on. they do not dwell in such detail on the technical details of contemporaries. and seryozha or i would also have other authors. uh, often addicted to wikipedia. i understand access to information has become huge. and when you start doing research. you, well, you are fond of this or that fact, yes, technical and it affects, and as a result, there is a big one, a meeting. the phrase that the machine gun hit at a speed of 1,200 rounds per minute, and i think so, i think so. and why should i know? here but this is precisely, as it were, the author's delight from the information that he has now received. well

here, by the way, since you started talking about a big one, it's interesting that the two writers. in general, i think independently come. here's to this idea to portray the war. like a confrontation. well, you can say two people, right? here say yes, uh, and uh, and uh , that means samson - these are aviation pilots, aces, killing cheap ones - these are tankers, which means our tankers who appear. this is the beginning of romance in the story of roman bewitching, when this man, who is absolutely burned there. tankers who are doctors no longer even want to heal, because 98 there or 90%, but the skin that has suffered from a burn and suddenly it is in such a miraculous way. yes, this is some kind of magical moment, yes, which is present here. this person is resurrected. it turns out that this is a brilliant mechanic, and it means he is returning to service and his task is to knock out the same brilliant white tiger , the same means the fascist tank, and this duel of two soviet and german tankers actually makes up, the idea of

​​​​this story of this book, according to which, by the way, karen shakhnazarov directed the film white tiger. yes but it is really ours who writes, and sovremennik is his attitude to the war. another book about which i would like to say this is, i already mentioned it, but the cloud regiment of eduard verkin. and this is a very interesting book, because it is dedicated to the pioneers of the heroes. more precisely , one pioneer hero lenya golikov who are people well, our generation is fine with you. remember. yes, all the soviet childhood we read about the pioneers of heroes, but they really were ours there, well , a lot was written about them as idols to follow. i remember i have in childhood, one of the favorite books was the book of leo kassil's younger son, which is dedicated to. volodya dubinin and our pioneer hero in kerch these are the a kerch quarries and now the modern author eduard verkin describes the history of this partisan in modern language. lenya golikov, without calling him by name, he is there all the time sanych

sanych by his patronymic, how would he compare two books, how would they mow down such a good one in the best sense of the word, such a soviet narrative is like this, and a novel of education, which unfolds and you see the character of this hero, who, well, almost such an icon is such, yes, such a boy who has almost no flaws. and if they have it overcomes, yes, and he is alive. at the same time, a very good book, and verka has a completely different child for this. yes, another teenager. he is scruffy. he's complex. he is conflicted. he may be prickly somewhere. well, you're addicted. you fall under the spell of this book and very cool. and what is it? and the question is still why, and now i have to to you? i wanted to convert him, because, of course, another, but a very bright book dedicated to the great patriotic war, which appeared already in the new century. in the new millennium. this is your novel gods of the steppe, which won a national bestseller award that enjoys huge

readership as well. i specifically re-read it for this program and once again just rejoiced and admired how well it was written. but now, let's talk about you about your book, why and why did you write it? how did it happen? well i had it is extremely important to understand what my grandfather felt at the front, uh, fighting against the french army. september forty-five. uh, i wrote the book when i was already twice the age of my then-grandfather, and so it became. eh, plus is even more important to me. i hmm started this novel sometime in 2007 2008. and when i had who had very serious internal problems? e with myself i do not know how it is self- identification. yes? i needed to define for myself. ah, goal setting. well, how did he define it? i began to remember

grandfather's stories from his childhood about the war, and began to write to his grandmother. she was still living then. e, in the chita region began to ask questions about that time. eh, because i was just looking in the history of my country for a point where it was, perhaps, even more difficult for people than it was for me in the nineties, and i found this point. i understand. here, for whom it was very difficult for these people who survived that great war. and that's sorry for a second. it's just that my grandfather and my grandmother and grandmother are still alive. and so i can ask. and how are you? this? how did you manage? yes, you were young. you were there for 25-26 years, and you have to live, love and give birth to children, and so on. why is the boy the main character? in the case, i somehow intuitively understood that i want to look at it through the eyes of a child, as if with my own eyes, that is, since this is my grandfather, yes, then i needed to make a point of view below the horizon. these are adults . and this is the look of a child, firstly, it

is not yet clouded by evaluative categories. a, despite the fact that he is integrated into the entire soviet ideology, and he is delighted with military heroics. uh, he really likes all this , and he dreams of dying in the war for the motherland for comrade stalin, but nevertheless , he is still very strong, and an objective understanding of good and evil, yes, and he is not clouded by complex social interactions with the universe with the world around him, he is not yet ready to compromise. this is, uh, not willing to compromise. i had it very much in my peak, dear. that's why i actually wrote. these are his faces. that is why. i roman began to write with such great trepidation and anxiety. well me it was important to understand what was happening with my homeland with my grandfather. i also fought somewhere, but he never

said anything about the war. he passed away quite early. and if he had lived a little longer, of ​​course, i would have tried to talk to him anyway, but at that moment i was a child, but a person doesn’t want to tell, so he doesn’t want to tell, but we had such a very curious story at school, where i studied, but about the usual moscow e, special schools, but there was a museum in it, the museum of military glory, for some informal, not that it's a formal, bureaucratic thing. no, it really was. a very serious story. there was such a wonderful teacher of geography for us, and olga alekseevna gorycheva. her name was, and now she thought of doing the museum of the military unit 993, i must say that this military unit was very unusual, this is the very unit in which zoya kosmodemyanskaya fought. that is, in fact, it was the unit that prepared these reconnaissance sabotage groups that threw it made here in the fall forty the first year, they were thrown behind the front line so that they would arrange these diversions of theirs on the occupier.

on the territory and in the main, there were young girls, young guys who did not have military training, but komsomol members who volunteered to sign up for the war there and offered, if you want to take part in such a story, and here are those of them who survived, they came to our school, met with us, and i remember one veteran with such cheerful gray hair, and he says, well, how can i tell you how it should be or how it was, and she says how it was. here's exactly what he said. i don't remember now. i'm sorry i don't remember. i remember something else. here come the veterans. you were always on the sixth of december, and on the day when our counter-offensive began near moscow, when the germans were beaten off, and here they came from some, just a lot, a lot, which means that others have almost no orders. well, and children's consciousness. so it fought well. and this one, maybe fought somehow worse, and someone remembers this thought. well, how is it out loud, said or asked some question. and why does uncle have so many me for this uncle i remember the harsh answer so much that it

does not mean anything, that very often worthy people did not receive medals. for example, i never knew, and here is my grandfather. like yours, too, it did not spread very much in the war. uh, well, he said some things. well, for example, he never said what he received the award for, and then some years passed already later, even after the release of the novel, and one, my good friend helped me find award lists in the archives in the archives of the ministry of defense award lists on my grandfather. not it means that i received these photocopies with trepidation and began to read and read that on september 15, 1945. uh, in such and such means, uh area. uh, there was some more collision on the gun commander of the second battery 817 telescoping. antonov ananasievich knew how. fire uh from your gun, directing it

with direct fire personally. e, repelled the japanese counterattack, destroying eight japanese soldiers, and then we read a little lower, well, there is the year of birth, which medal is assigned and below it is written in the red army since 1943. e in did not participate in hostilities. so i 'm starting to think. so this is the first fight. so the man has arrived. yes, a man turned out to be in a combat situation at that moment there for 26 years. ah, this is howitzer artillery. i always knew this from my grandfather, aleksey nikolayevich always has a howitzer battery a little behind, they hit the infantry over the heads of our soldiers. e into the enemy there further they are slightly in the sleeve. means the battle formations of the infantry. so it turns out the infantry rolled back here, then personally repelled the enemy’s counterattack, and it was clear there was a breakthrough from the side of the japanese, the infantry moved back and reached the howitzer battery, and here they are. these gunners. the smokers suddenly

saw that all this was rushing instead of meaning to say, but to grab the head of the order and run away. they start firing their howitzers. and they have a stem. this is how it should be a little at an angle, because it hits a canopy for a distance of 20 kilometers and it is written there again i say direct fire. i understand that they have time in these fractions of seconds, which means that the enemy and the retreating soldiers are rolling towards them start lowering the barrel, it takes time. so, give some commands. yes, we lower the barrel, time is running out, these are getting closer and closer and at that moment a huge projectile. it is necessary to fill the breech with a shot, another shot, another shot, not an enemy counterattack, it turns out to be reflected. i think it's 26 years old. first fight. you find yourself in such a situation. i'm even scared to imagine myself in the place of my grandfather. and he alexei nikolaevich never told me about it. i read it from the handwritten notes of his commander. i mean, well maybe maybe they shouldn't have told them about it, that is, they didn't want to be thankful, maybe

they shouldn't. well, it just really turns out that this is our idea of ​​the war. it's really incomplete here, it's interesting just to see how different generations react to the same event. that is, if in the prose of the lieutenants we hear, e, the voice of a participant in the events, and there you can directly feel the objectivity of what is happening, you are in this particular situation, when you read from bondarev you meet the phrase literally. at the very beginning of the novel. uh, and creaked on the teeth sand in hot snow. yes, that is, sand creaks on the teeth. and you, when you read, you understand that a man is walking, running, he breathed in and this sand creaks in him. but with this squeak of sand on his teeth , seryozha samsonov cannot have it because he perceives the war on a different level, he was not there. it didn't go in his mouth. this is dust at the moment of attack. yes, and he was not sitting in a promo box. he perceives it really from the point of view of mythology. here's the homeravian. yes? a-a is looking for

generalizers in it. it's another generation some generalizing beginnings of elements, and so on. yes, the boishov relies. e on the tradition of herman melville. yes, white white, of course, very reminiscent of the white mobidic whale from this novel. and this is his hero. e, ivan ivanovich found, in my opinion, he calls his name, and this is clearly the captain. ahaf of the captain, hav, who rushes from a harpoon over the seas and oceans, just to kill this personified evil of this strange white whale. yes and here is the white tiger yes, the white tank here is a and as you can see, uh, i’ll repeat it again, if the specific prose of the lieutenants is impressive us the effect of the presence once there, the races ended up in a trench right next to you, as if someone could handle you. leave a smoke brother. that is, here we have. i don't know if they are like this. if you want a mythologically mythological consciousness, which is necessary for this mythology about war

to be created, this is already a good mythology. well, yes, this is so correct, that is, of course , bring your own opinion then further, so they are exhaustible, so i hope that people will continue to write, because you know, i not so long ago, i think, a year or a year and a half ago, we were filming a documentary film ticket to war with students of a literary institute for one channel. we filmed it, they were in the frame, we showed them, so they, and now we arrived under e, petersburg , which means, here is where the oreshek fortress stands, there is a railway station nearby and there are small ones, as if almost private, but it is clear that he is unhappy such a small museum of this railway station, where these trains were formed, which went, uh, from the mainland, delivered, as soon as the opportunity appeared to stretch the railway line and break the blockade, then they went there, like riding. she was all shaking on the logs, these railroad ties were almost non-existent pontoon yes and

one of my students, it means that the museum worker is asking. and they were being shot at at that time, when they were building this all the time, that is, bombers. they fly all the time, artillery, howitzer hits, it ’s located 15 km away yes, it’s mysterious there and hits directly where the crossing is being built, where it’s being built the railway, and this road was extremely important, because the first food went to besieged leningrad along it, my student asks. and how did the bombs get into the canvas? she says, yes, right? it did not collapse. this is not built. it was collapsing. she says, yes he says, and as she says, well, rebuilt. and i remember this and the surprise of my students and these photographs of the people there, the machinists, who were just like some kind of hollywood, bitch heroes alexei nikolaevich about one. she to me told. he says he was just here. you know what he did? and as soon as the train left , german intelligence received

information from their divorced planes there, and attack aircraft immediately flew out to bombard this train, so they so what, he says, he learned to do, he maneuvered. you can imagine maneuvering on rails neither to the left nor to the right. you still can’t, therefore, you can only maneuver with speed, he hears, attack aircraft are following him, they carry a bomb, yes, and a machine gun and so on. he slams on the brakes. she says give back move, but releases puffs of steam, in which the locomotive hides and imitates knocking out mister and says, in circles, circles, they leave. he quietly, quietly, without turning on the lights, crawls on. i've seen pictures of him, he's an amazingly handsome man. this people won yes, yes, yes, well, thank you very much for this conversation. it was a podcast. the life of the wonderful with you aleksey varlamov, writer, rector of the literary institute. we talked about the heroes of the great patriotic war and the modern

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