our offensive, i am sure, will also be successful. may not be easy. maybe this will require a huge huge effort, but no matter what territory from ukraine we leave to the nazi regime, for now there are no signs that they will voluntarily change the thermore of western support. here, no matter what territory we leave, we will continue. they will explore our new territories with the position that will remain with them, they will continue the attacks. they will keep on attacking us those in all ways and the west and nato will still be even on an island, and the rest, and from ukraine, if it remains there, that political regime. this is 12 we will not be able to deal with ukraine until the nazi regime is there. we must change it. and accordingly, we cannot sleep peacefully while there and you are ready for this for great efforts and great sacrifices throughout.

an extended period of time or do you think that an extended period will not be needed? you know, this is a very serious matter, because if we are now try to measure the value of the price of victory, then we will not win, because if we do not realize that we simply have no other choice. because if we say, let's take less territory at a lower price. let's keep focusing on some kind of intermediate result, so as not to pay. at this excessive price, we will fall into the endless circle of those deceptions, about which our president spoke a little more than once. we agree on some lilies. they break after a while. we uh make a deal with the west. they deceive us. and so it will continue to be. if we believe again now, we will stop halfway, where it is, when it will be difficult for ukrainian nazis. they can offer us some kind of scenario, and we will believe them once again, and then they

will deceive us once again this time. we are too deeply involved in this situation in order to limit ourselves to half measures, and here is precisely why this conflict is. i see the patriotic war as a full-fledged patriotic war, because victory has prices there is simply no price in this situation. this is the life of our people, our state, our society, the great patriotic war. uh, the soviet troops reached berlin and went to gagarifa. and berlin and vienna and varkava. and prague and so on. you know, here in your uh, watch system of arguments. i'm not sure i am. i'm uh with you. that's regarding you to a more radical and less radical position. my position is slightly different. i am afraid that what you are proposing to liberate the territory of ukraine but at the same time

you say that you do not want to apply nuclear weapons at the same time. if you accept me, if i misunderstood you, at the same time you do not go to strike at countries. nato absolutely right. if so , i'm afraid you're talking about a very, very long war with a bloc that has a significant superiority in resources. doesn’t it occur to you that in this situation , those who, on the one hand , are ready to agree to less in terms of determining, say, a control over ukraine, may be right, but on the other hand, they believe that it is necessary to entrust the entire existing world order, that ah, not russia is the situation. i wanted to create this situation was imposed on russia, but this situation showed that the current world order, as you yourself said, alexander

denies russia sovereignty and denies russia security and, if so, then the definition of uh, victory, this may not be return to the former to the status to which would let's admit even included. uh, russian control over most of the ukrainian territory, and the whole spirit of russia should set its own goals. destruction of this western hegemony of the golden hegemony billion. look over our entire planet here, first. that's interesting. they said very very precisely that there are such ideas to limit ourselves to less. and he also strikes at nato. this is in my opinion on the nato countries directly, these are just my points of view, then what to do, in no case is impossible, because there will be a victory for russia, if we liberate ukraine, this will be a change

in the world order. this won't be the end. light it will not be armaged. we will win back the right to historical existence for a whole cycle. forward. nothing is eternal. but it will a colossal victory. if we get involved directly in a conflict with nato, then it will very easily develop into a nuclear apocalypse if we want to live and live victory, if we want to enjoy, being alive this victory, its fruits. we must avoid. in my opinion. the first nuclear conflict is a direct clash with nato countries, but we must liberate ukraine, and that's what this will require from here, already concrete, as from my point of view. we have, unfortunately, only 5 minutes, but it is very important that you say so. do you think it is necessary to reorganize russia if you want it in order to achieve your victory? i think your i mean in your definition of victory and i think

the fundamental question here is that by putting the boundary conditions. put a boundary box that we must not cross. now, if we recognize the correctness of such logic, then we must immediately begin an audit of our resources, not only economic industrial military technical developments, developments in the issue of space communications, not only supplement exactly what is needed now, adjusting the entire strategy of our economy all our life all our activities all ours here , our work cycle is built on only one thing for victory, if something directly leads this victory, does not bring it closer, then it is not necessary to budget it in business plans. probably this time should not be included. this is the first, that is , the restructuring of the economy, the adjustment of victory; the second , the restructuring of society for victory, must be in a victorious manner. we have entered the final. i think in the final break of western civilization, it's

time to find your own logu logos. own identity speaks about it president signing a decree on traditional values. in each of his speeches, this is emphasized. we have to go back to our own mind, to our own logus. this requires the transformation of social educational cultural institutions. it is also in this context. we haven’t really done this yet, not the first, not the second, but we’re already talking if you misbehave. we will end humanity. let's draw out the resources that we have and that's when we start to mobilize them. now it turned out that we have an army. we have, uh, offensive means. we have mobilized with us. volunteers we have contractors. if we look at what we still have in russia , we see a lot of things that we have not even thought about unpacking yet, which we have not started in

the spiritual and cultural spheres, in the economic and military and in engineering. it's just that if we set such a goal to win this war under these conditions and postpone the nuclear nuclear argument to the most extreme case, then, perhaps, yes, this will require huge efforts. yes, it will probably take some time, but the victory will be the real results of it. we will be able to use alexandra thank you so much. of course, you are talking about a huge project, and a heroic project is a difficult project, but i am sure that, in principle, this is what the majority of russian citizens will strive for now, because it is a return to the past. already, in my opinion, it can’t be, and because i, uh, am afraid that if russia went to a truce, you would not leave her alone. the pressure would continue with the efforts and the last thing i would like to say is

, uh, that it is very common in the west to talk about russia's miscalculations. how russia underestimated the unity of the west. how russia underestimated the armament and training for the ukrainian army. and how, uh, russia didn’t appreciate it. what part of the ukrainian population will be ready to support the current ones, and i must say that some of these things are at least partly true, because it was simply impossible to see everything. well, here in the collective west and especially in the biden administration. they didn't foresee one thing. they did not foresee the unity and willpower of the russian people. they underestimated the extent to which most countries on our planet will not see russia as an aggressor, but will see in

russia a country that protects not only their own, but their sovereignty, and as a result, they created and continue to surrender a real threat with their own hands, there is a world order that is many decades old. worked so well for them they don't do it because which is in the west. operates at the head of the power of the blind by betraying the blind. it was a great game alexander thank you so much. and we 'll be on the air next week.

the chinese sage confucius said that studying and not thinking is an empty occupation, but thinking and not studying is a dangerous occupation. hello. and today we gathered our thoughts about what kind of education we need valery aleksandrovich fadeev advisor to the president of the russian federation konstantinovich mogilevsky deputy minister of education and science, dear friends. i am glad to welcome you good mood good theme. you know, since the ministry of education science. i want to start with one quote about science. konstantin nikolaevich leontiev once said that science should develop in a spirit of deep contempt for its practical usefulness. i would like to ask you to comment on this phrase to reflect. as far as one can agree with it, it means that there is one general rational consideration about it in response to reproaches that it is fundamental science. eats

a lot of money consideration is that max faraday recaptured all investments long ago. these are the people who were involved in electricity and actually provided a giant technological breakthrough with their fundamental research. science, fundamental gives most often a huge return. maybe not in a year or two, maybe in 50, but there is a return, well, i completely agree. there are different it is necessary to express something that science is a way to satisfy his curiosity at the expense of the state. e, but of course, there is fundamental science, there is applied science, the line between them is mobile. eh, and there would be no applied science, there would be no new solutions for technical solutions without fundamental discoveries, but even closer with the help of an example. here is our uh, famous compatriot recently 66 lives hot ivanovich yes nobel laureate, well,

quite a discovery. actually, connected with semiconductors and all modern gadgets. uh, phones use those discoveries based on them, which made zharos ivanovich did he think about it then, but, of course not. this was the development of fundamental science. you know, for me, after all, this is the thought leontiev why did i start with him? it seems to me that it’s not even about the differences in fundamental applied science, but about in what sense is the meaning of education valuable knowledge in general, because i recently did it here and with great pleasure we began to implement a new program for children in sirius and when we wrote it. my colleagues and i were sitting and i was driven to the wall, er, with practical results. i fought back said knowledge. this is generally a value in itself a person is there to seek the truth. and here, including on this topic. i would like to talk today, so about there is a magnificent saying e vyda.

lucy of the historian arnold toyne, the tondina of healing education is not mercantile, but religious in the broadest sense of the word, religious, and only then does education really work. it kind of creates a real person. well, here is valery alexandrovich. i understand that , among other things, inspired by these thoughts of tommy , you recently published, as it is now customary to say, a program article on education in the russian newspaper. i would even like to quote a classic so to speak. eh, from your your permission, of course, yes. we already remember everything, we are all the more so because you have already quoted him. a new education system needs a far-sighted plan now a person enjoying, consuming a person who manipulates need a person, a whole knowing creator, eh. so free only skills and competencies. they won't take it out here. we need to build the foundation of a future integral society. here is a little, could you say a few words on this subject. and in general, why

are you writing this article for what and what you what worries the world most of all is at a huge turning point, first of all, western civilization. it has completed the 600-year cycle of its development. i didn't come up with this, it's still spengler, but in fact it's the best. this is our compatriot american and russian-american sociologist pizzerias. sorokin of course, this is an idea that has been an idea for many years. and what we wrote about. sorokin in the middle of the last century comes true literally. and what will happen next and this confident that this is our future to a large extent depends on what our children will be like our grandchildren from education, they will be mercantile or they will think broadly from here. i hmm come to a simple idea and this idea is not my three institutes of knowledge of the world of science art. here

an educated person should understand how these institutions are arranged. what language do they speak, for the last 200-300 years, science has supplanted religion, and once again here, so that the audience understands me correctly. i'm not even talking about the need for the law of god at school or vice versa, if there is no muslim about scientific understanding, yes, academic of course, of course the world. well, of course, your language to your methods, your goals, of course, the best scientific book on the subject, written by sociologists. e burheim. uh, more than 100 years ago elementary forms of religious life. i don’t even know if he was a believing emilberg, but the book is magnificent, it tells how religion underlies the life of society, both ancient australian and modern, because the ideas are the same, why are schoolchildren and students not told about this . of course, a very broad

understanding of religion, but let's not proana now, properly. now tell me, that's how difficult the position of an official, yes, which you now occupy allows you to do what we started talking about, this is philosophy and education. and should the officials of the ministry of education deal with the philosophy of education or is it still the task of the ministry to decide to a greater extent, well, some applied things that will not work without them, here. i can talk about the tasks that not only our leadership , the government of russia, sets before us, but in general about those tasks that, probably, we each must set for ourselves, and in this sense, it seems, any official should think a phrase. she didn't sound like thinking. yes, think about the future too, uh, with this ministry of science of higher education, what is all the more necessary

to think about the future, because hmm we are talking about. eh, maybe everything is in our very distant future, but the time when e our children who will now receive an education will graduate, that universities will determine the reality in which our country will exist, but there is another block of tasks absolutely uh, right. his noticed is the provision of current functioning. a system to ensure the interests of our citizens, but let's put ourselves in the place of any parent who thinks about the fate of his child, who now needs to go to university. what does he think about, that a person, that he should get an education, find a normal job, grow up to be a decent worthy person and, based on these considerations, ensuring the interest of people. we must ensure the quality of education that meets the demands of the labor market. we must fulfill the educational function. we

can't. yes, at the university to instill in a person a conscience or some kind of integral moral qualities. but we can try to develop them. this is also an important task of higher education. and now the search for, uh, a balance between such visionary aspirations and the solution of the problem of today, in this big account , is the reality in which the ministry lives. well, look here. this balance i agree, but it seems to me that the imbalance is so great when my classmate wanted to senior. if you let it, right? i'm just e eighth grader says i don't need literature. i need math and russian, because i'll be running my dad's business for 14 years. this is a sentence for you and me friends. yes, because we have brought them to a point where at the age of 14 a child already thinks so, but aleksandrovich here are the really wonderful things that you write, here 's how to implement them. it's a major rebalancing of everything. well, i

also agree about the balance, but only here is what we have on the scales and i want to remember another classic. this is yan kamensky, this is the great yang kamensky who came up with the idea of ​​creating a school lessons classes that still exist for more than three centuries. this is a great man who invented the school. so yankommensky wrote about the goal of education education should after all, a person to eternal life, well, i do not call. here's to translate education. in this form , i don’t know that the monks there, er, they taught children, but what a scale it was for centuries. what do you understand? of course, i answer that this is not running dad's business. that's why there are 350 years of the school that kamensky created because he set grandiose goals for himself grandiose we lack the scale and if my paphos is in anything if

the old world ceases to exist. well , let's take a swing at creating a new world for centuries, so that it is strong, fair, as far as possible and smart. well, you know, i still remember even more ancient things, when they were born. many are really related to education. these are the greeks, who, as you know, not only did not know that they were ancient, yes, but they also did not have a word culture, and he had the word payday which we can translate both as education and upbringing. yes, and as a culture, what is payday payday - this is the ideal that we strive for, to which we want to achieve. this is the upbringing of the ancient greek. yes, this is the peak to be climbed. and it seems to me that the pragmatization of education today. it has created a significant imbalance. you are right about parents, but we should really focus on these wishes of parents and on the employer, too, the question is simple we can't ignore them. no

, we can't. but that's exactly what i'm talking about. hmm, we must take into account the interests of those who live today and think about the future, and think about those who will live tomorrow, think, and in 20-30-50 our country will be 100 years old about managing my father's business. well, this is not a sign of today and the cab will take you anywhere. it's something else, basically it's the same thing. immature, uh, who think that everything is given to them, when some kind of family education is not enough, it is not enough to instill themselves from the very beginning only at school. moreover, you are no longer at the university, but in the family it is the values ​​of knowledge, as such, e, knowledge, as elements of culture, and, if you like, vice versa. eh, culture, as an element of the idea of ​​the world. ah, outlook. after all, unless education should prepare in eternal life. well, it seems to me, hmm, not only the family, the school

, the church, of course, three. here they are in this sense, probably, yes, yes, these are not alternative ways of education. yes, they must have composed together, probably, of course, and then, if we remember well, educated people and the recent past and tsarist russia and actually contemporaries in our look are well-educated people. they do not possess a set of competencies. it's something more. it's something. much more , therefore, of course, education higher education is not yesterday, neither today nor tomorrow it should and cannot be reduced to obtaining some set of competence skills. this is not, uh, not a trade school, how nice to hear it from your lips, just thank you and who spoke differently for many years. to me seems to be filling out the forms every time. what skills and competencies should i teach students. i've heard otherwise about

competence. i have it in the article. i love these arguments of the geyserberg of the great physicist and he said hmm that in a conversation with boron or slept with other people too. yes, these were the great men of physics. this is the dawn of physics, of the twentieth century in general. he said we only then understood how the microworld works when we began to discuss it, talking about it in the language of an image and a symbol. yes, sure. formulas do not cancel the experiment, while not is canceled, but images and symbols are actually the language of art and religion, including only integrity, as konstantin ilyich says, only integrity allows you to comprehend the truth. and as you suggest practically that's how we should come to realize this rethinking of education is the first step. yes, we need to take the school curriculum from the first to the eleventh grade , analyze it, and since

you need to add art and religion . and how to teach art? well, i recently read an interview with the mythie reactor. he is very proud that they have a magnificent academic choir. well, there are hardly more than 100 people. well, how much is not 200 for this, how to teach the arts is an even more difficult question. and as for religions, and what i see today, this is not what i intuitively imagine should be at school, mmm and or there is nothing special in the knot. so it is necessary to add no, even there, uh, i studied at the physicotechnical institute. it was a magnificent university. there's certainly not enough in my mind enough. i do not know how now the humanitarian components of education, of course, are not enough. we must try decisively as a first step to present a different

program of school education. just by the hour. i found out when i took up this topic. let's say in the course of foreign literature school all literature. western european, american, but there is, in fact , china and japan, there is the arab world. no , experts believe that poetry has reached its peak precisely in arabic. in the world in the xii century and that's cooler than poetry, i don't i figure it out, experts say, in short, it’s difficult, probably, it’s possible to scale some kind of proposal, but nevertheless. and why our children do not know about these peaks, it is necessary that every educated person knows about the peaks. here is the pinnacle of alive pisi. here is the pinnacle of poetry here is poetry it happens like this, but sometimes it’s different hmm and , of course, you have to free and i don’t call for deleting the pythagorean theorem but you have to get rid of something and someone has to take this decisive step. i am ready with you.

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mogilevsky deputy minister of higher education science. i am vladimir legoyda, we gathered our thoughts. i recently had a conversation with a friend of mine. he says, no, well, the most important teacher is the one who meets the child in kindergarten. well, the boss is still yes, but he says, then it's too late. and when they come to your university. you already have such gaps that if they exist, then nothing can be done, and he i am absolutely right, and it seems to me that from this point of view, the prestige of the profession should be . this is how a completely different pyramid should be. or am i wrong? well, when we remember our teachers, those who were lucky enough to have good teachers and study at the university, maybe further, then, of course, we remember our scientific supervisors in the same row. and with the first school teacher and with school teachers everything has its time. and what a person e, can perceive in early childhood, of course, differs from what he

needs and that he absorbs 18-20 years of course with this, yes you can not argue. and what do you think about such an emphasis, maybe not freely on primary school teachers? so i know that now in the fourth grade they teach some kind of religious subject, either the history of religion, or something else of secular religious culture, these are not sure that there is a child in the fourth grade. maybe i'm not sure, maybe something needs to be said, but understanding arises later, because. i believe that the religious theme should be present for all 11 years. m-m after all and further that in the fourth class. they call and then forget about it. it's wrong what should be present. i agree with you. it seems to me that at any age one can speak the question of how to speak is another turn, i want to offer you

our conversation. it would seem so obvious that education is important education is about the future. yes he really like me seems far from obvious today. why because even here at the level of the ministry we are talking about there are strong-armed names, a power block there, an economic block, this is all right, but it seems to me that if we are talking at length, if we are talking sharp, then there are two main ministries in the modern structure of government enlightenment and education of science, because here they are engaged in the area that determines everything , right down to whether wheat will grow there, whether rockets will fly, whether semiconductors will be created there, in general, what kind of country will be through there 50 100 150 years, and but it seems to me that despite the fact that this is sometimes declared on such a deep awareness that it is extremely important? well, sorry, i don't know. now it is fashionable or fashionable to quote bismorka that warriors are not won by generals, but by school teachers and parish priests. here nothing has changed and another commonplace. uh, the story is that

the president of the kenadi. and when the soviet union launched a satellite or yuri gagarin said that we are behind america because the soviet union has the best school and we urgently need to catch up. the m-level of school education is also commonplace, only what you are talking about does not depend on the bureaucracy. it depends on the society depends on the intellectuals from the copper environment. first of all, it is necessary to create this other intellectual environment, wherever these ideas are cooked bureaucracy. it is too hard in the process, like yes, very hard and nothing needs to be done, but this is how life works, external influences and functions are needed. the one that you are talking about is primarily the functions of the society but in this regard, it is society that is weak, which is not enough energy. in this part it offers no new ideas. if not, new energies will not break through.

well, here we are discussing my article. hmm, and it seems that these kinds of calls, well , should resonate a little more , a few more people with you should accuse me of talking. where am i priestly. here i am again dragging to school, yes. well, and so on, where are you not. here we are sitting, i praise their article. fucking alexander is exactly for this for what she uh, will be thought, but you are very right in that and within the framework of the bureaucracy within the framework of the structure governments also have this responsibility. this view of the future needs to be divided, so when , for example, we distribute budget places according to areas of training, that is, according to specialties, regions, universities. we are thinking about the future, at least in the medium term, but i think

they are. in a year. e for these specialties in 4 5 6 years will graduate from the university will enter the labor market. who can say who will be in demand honestly 4:56 years, and here we, of course, are addressing both our colleagues in the government and public organizations in order to think together about the future and decide who will be needed in the industry, who will be in the legal specialties. anyone in the history of philology, i don’t know museum work, so this is a common matter and i agree that this is a matter of society and the ministry is very important for us. this is a dialogue with society. and here is what happened not so long ago literally here. now we have less than 20 years before our eyes. in our country, higher education has become almost universally understood. we are fully. eh, what this transition led to. after all

when it was, well, not even elite, but was intended for those who really needed it, then we, this and the soviet era before the soviet one, still received well-educated people as a result. well, uh, ideally well people with college degrees have heard quality traits of education. and this, of course, is far from only the skills of competence and the ability to do something, this is the ability to keep up a conversation on a wide range of issues and understand when you are being fooled even in a topic that, of course, and uh, in a good way, the humanities should know minimal e, mathematical apparatus. uh, people who graduated from engineering. naturally, the scientific specialty to understand. here i am, i remembered. well, i remember how qualified he was by the consciousness of the case, he reasoned. that's about the problems of the difference between the gregorian and julian calendars. uh, a special historical

discipline. i don’t know the chronology of such an easy -to-explain moment and how clearly he could accurately state, er, the crux of the matter, how far, not every story can. this is education. yes, and when it became de facto with us universal, then there have been changes in education itself and in society's attitude towards it. eh, i think that these changes, among other things, bring to life the thoughts of valeria aleksandrovich well, the massization of higher education is such a global problem. yes, i want to return to alexandrovich because you said the air conditioner and supported the relations of the society. what to do about it? because society. of course, you can put everything, so to speak, into the mind of society, but there is the concept of a picture of the world yes, from a picture of the world. we are born to jump out. well, so far no one has been particularly successful, if you are not leonardo da vinci yes, how to change this situation, what should we do? ok then. so we talked, we can record

many more podcasts there, and we will do it and we will hit this wall. yes, but i don’t know what else to do there to make films. yes, no, not yet, not yet, so to speak , not relevant to the generation for which the big change was a cult film. yes, first of all , it is customary to treat the younger generation with respect recently. uh, that most of the young people of girls are idiots, that they do not understand anything but tiktok pictures and short videos somewhere on youtube. it seems to me that this is a mistake. one of the consequences of such an erroneous attitude towards the younger generation is the simplification of the program. let's somehow in the picture in the pictures we explain something to him, what do they mean, uh. they will remember something it 's wrong if we treat them with respect and assume that they are not idiots, but able to master difficult materials.