thanks a lot. it seems to me that after this podcast you will never calmly look at the soup, you will see complex systems in it, complex physics, chemistry, biology. well, this is good, because our world is complex and it may be wrong to look at it as something very simple. thank you. maria many thanks to the bar. well, thank you very much to those who watched or listened to us today. hello dear friends. this is a podcast life of the wonderful and i'm with you alexei varlamov and visiting. i have a well-known tv presenter, fyokla, a fat and we will talk about a remarkable scientist layered. e academician nikita ilyich tolstoy

a-a. this is fokla's father. and we beets, i must say , have known each other for a long time and have been in the opposite situation many times, when the full name asked questions about. and i answered. today we are changing roles, and i am very interested in what kind of conversation we will have, especially since the topic is very, dear, very important. nikita ilyich turns 100 this year. and now we will talk about him, as about your father, as about a wonderful scientist, as about a man who he once made a terrific impression on me, like on many students of the philological faculty of moscow state university, because he was completely different, he was not like. what was his amazing lectures and although to be honest? i was not very interested, slavic philology, but for some reason like this, but he himself is the appearance of this tall, stately man, such a real russian nobleman, a count with a long beard, his speech. uh, his movements, his gestures.

it was something absolutely incredible. what are your memories of your father? to tell our viewers that my father has been dead for more than a quarter of a century. unfortunately number 96, but really here in the twenty-third. we are celebrating the centenary of his birth. i have memories , of course, very, very warm, homely ones. and when you say that he was not like the others, then the child, the daughter , does not understand, does not realize, but i was always my father's daughter, and i, perhaps, i will say something completely different, but philology is serious things. we'll talk more. it seems to me that what i'm doing. uh, that's work on television, because i studied at a theater university that i am somehow, uh, emotional, maybe, i hope, such as that artistically, that's all from dad. and, because dad, despite all his scholarship , doctor of science glasses. eh, books of knowledge beard yes

, he was a very cheerful person and very much. uh, just so artistic, he sang some stupid songs all the time, he composed poems, he arranged jokes, and he, by the way, acted in films. once, yes, yes, i acted in films several times. e. once they rode with my mother in the subway to work. and there tretyakovskaya to leninsky avenues and caught him. uh, just a subway assistant director. yes, because of his big beard. oh , tell me, please, you have such a beard. but you don’t want to act in films, something like that, dad, who, it means, goes there to some meeting of the president. are you them science or what is it? he says, well, what do you want, what's in what? the actual proposal? but we are looking for extras for the film. e sergei fedorovich bondarchuk boris godunov well , well. maybe that means dad is scared rejoiced, canceled all his academic affairs for several days and stood in the crowd at e

in the film boris godunov on the stage of the coronation, which was then filmed in zagorsk at trinity-sergius lavra, although the action takes place in essence, of course. in the assumption cathedral of the moscow kremlin , he disappeared there for several days. uh, and when he said uh hmm if he got a call from work or something. he says you don't say that on set you say i'm very very busy. it was terribly interesting to him, and he didn’t tell anyone on the set that she, of course, he didn't know either. no, i didn’t know, the only thing that dad was still here was the end of the eighties of people who know the church service well? and in general, here’s the vision e, like there wasn’t so much in the church, and my dad was a very church-going person and as a child served in the temple and services in general and knew everything brilliantly, so he was still very proud that he suggested a little, there assistant and co-director. that how one should hold on,

how one should, means to act, and so on. well, this, by the way, is true, here we are. here i am studied in the soviet years in the early eighties and yet. well, not that the church was completely banned. well, how can you obviously not welcome it there in the university student environment, he walked when bright week was there, easter congratulated everyone, christ is risen, and he did not reserve his religiosity, of course, but he never hid it. i must say that several of his students somehow connected their lives, someone just simply became a priest , someone here, well, artemia vladimirovna and someone remained in philology or in science, but in close to church sphere. and so, i remember very well how my dad and i went, and he took me to church, we wanted to say zhilin and we continue to live in the ordynka. and this is just such a suburb of moscow, such a corner of moscow where several more churches were preserved, and several churches were open. i remember i went

to holy week, and joy to the temple of all who sorrow, and he stood there, he was nikita ilyich , i remember exactly that, and here, hmm, the eighty- fourth year. easter was such a favorite holiday of his. he always changed, but i i wanted to say something that was still preserved somehow here, uh, he supported such an old, moscow tradition that you go to church? uh, for easter actually. here on the procession at the beginning of the service, then for some time we were still there. well, maybe not for long, because i was still a girl, then you return home and break your fast after fasting, then you go to some other church. then and then you go to visit odni and others, or guests came to us, and this night is full full on one side some holiday trips and holiday trips. eh, also conversations and friends, and so on, i was very shocked by this story from the cinema , because somehow i was getting ready just now, there

i read some materials and memoirs about nikita ilyich well, lord, it ’s written about cinema nowhere. but that's just what you followed. you also starred in the movie began, which is exactly what i did. here is such and such an artistic beginning and craving for this, dad, and i was filming as a child. i got caught the same way. just here dad for the beard, and me at school like this, they came to some photographer, so they came and said, well, yes, girls, come here, and uh, my classmate and i put us on the stairs. i remember shags. since then, i always go to akhmats, and we ended up on the cover of a magazine, then for the second time some people from the gorky children's film studio came. go to the girl here, we sent you and me to the filing cabinet, to the filing cabinet of this bitter children's studio. then i starred in several films and his dad was something like this, well, you are earlier than dad. i took off before than dad. yes, and we, apparently my means, did not give children's glory, but peace. he also said

that he had to get out. eh, you were filming, and i will be filming. i had an interesting story with this gorky studio, also connected with the thick ones, that i had several films behind me in my i don’t know 13-14 years old. and at that moment , our famous great director gerasimov was filming e. the film, leo tolstoy, this means such later paintings of him, and he plays tolstoy there and his wife plays sofya andreevna armakarov there and they call me for an audition. here i already probably means teenager. yes, i'm 13 years old and they call me for auditions, i have to play e molo. uh, so she is still a girl, the daughter of lev nikolaevich jr. alexander lvovna tolstoy. i remember that i come. i was already interested in by that time means the history of cinema. i understood who gerasimov was, i understood who makarova was. i come to gorky's studio

. such old chairs are high, and i sit down and i see that makarov is being made up next to me. -something there, i don’t know what inexpensive people are over here or something and the audition starts and they have pictures and they all say, says, oh my god. well, it looks like, well, it looks like, well, how did you find it, say the assistant. well , it looks like, and my mother and i. i was still with my mom. you know, like a minor. we somehow shrug our shoulders there, well, god, yes, well, as it were, you understand, well, here is one family somehow, of course, alexander lvovna is fat. she means, a sister of my great-grandfather, but still like some kind of tolstoy blood, but they did not understand that they were calling a person from this same family here. but then events developed funny, that when it turned out that i was fat all this, it means that somehow they became even more interested, then it turned out that my uncle is beautiful, then, as i know, maybe this is not true, but so i said beautiful uh, ilya vladimirovich 19. ilyusha

wrote a rather blunt review of the script. e, gerasimova and. v. in general, i didn't play alexander lions, but somehow they came up to well, no. well, maybe i just didn't play well in the audition. the same thing happened too. the car is hard, whoever fits the car is not the price fits, who fits, the price does not fit the car, and when you find the perfect car with the perfect price, the count goes for seconds. issue a tinkoff car loan for both a new and a used tinkoff car, he is the only one. for real discoveries, you need time and a place among a large selection of hotels in the yandex travel app and get a cashback of up to 10%. yandex travel booking hotels. how

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well, now let's get back to history a bit. let's figure it out, so nikita ilyich tolstoy is your father. why, what does he have to do with a lion, because it’s very difficult to deal with thick ones there. who is who? yes. lev nikolayevich is the largest father in russian literature. he is such a great russian literature and understand who how fat. here you are , you are some kind of fat, as we say e second cousin. these tolstoy leo tolstoy know when keep in mind, thieves keep an eye on the hands, and our line. uh, uh, russian fat now comes from here in russia , in general, not so many fat people come from the second

son to lev nikolaevich andreevna from ilya lvovich tolstoy, i lvovich married the first granddaughter before other children. e lev nikolaevich of this daughter is just e and lvovich and the source of the main philosopher. you, and then they had a daughter, then four sons, and e, then another girl and a boy, also quite a large family, but what, in general, in those days was not such a rarity four boys. it so happened, but ended up in the military schools of the cadet corps, as it was then called. my grandfather studied at the naval cadet corps in st. petersburg; there are excellent photographs of his student. and even before the revolution. uh, as a young midshipman sailed on the aurora it was quite a ship where he passed. eh, the practice, probably, among the sailors is somehow, that is, i also swam correctly, i say i went on the aurora and, uh, hmm, i continued some kind of service

, first as a student, then uh, i continued the real one. here is another who studied in e. hmm in in moscow, in the cadet corps, the eldest of these of this four took part in the first world war, and further and when the civil war begins, then all four brothers. in the white army, three of them end up in the south direction, and my grandfather as a man of the sea, he makes his way to the east and joins kolchak's army and it turns out he was a personal adidat of the general capel. here is my father when he told me this. he always remembered that in the film chapaev there is such a scene, a mental attack, how they walk in black uniforms. like this just such such such such a rank. e parts. eh, and, as far as i understand, these were parts of even just officers composed of a psychic attack. it's called a psychic

attack. the so-called here , papa, said this part of the general capel, that is, he was going to enter there, probably, but not in the chapaev film, of course, but in history, probably in history. yes, my grandfather means, it turns out that we don’t have his memories, but we know that he participated in this icy like siberian was, another ice campaign. and here when they when they 2,000 km, if i'm not mistaken, they passed in the winter and there is a story that he was taken out several times to be shot. once he escaped execution, as my father told me by the fact that he was seized and already means that they just put him against the wall, and then he probably considered that they were red. he thinks it's red. why who else is it? maybe, uh, now take life altogether, and then he became like. well, now, it's just like before death. everything he thinks about the reds to say and good good like that to cover them with a naval obscenity even then, which means

that those who began to think somehow. or maybe, after all, he is not in common with anyone, by some miracle his grandfather, but he managed to survive. although the emigre newspapers already wrote that he, that he was shot, it was later known that he had died of typhus, but still on the last hospital train. the unconsciousness in him is taken out to china, somehow through chita it means he is somewhere there, he ends up in china in harbin then shanghai and then he begins to find out where his family is and somehow i still don’t understand how they figured it out. he finds out that his family in europe in exile needs to pause here. i tell you so, it's all like a movie and for me it's really a movie and to be honest, i want to make a documentary movie. here we are with my second cousin volodya, the fat grandson of another of those brothers, uh, whom i am now talking about, we want to make a movie now in the history of our grandfathers and about mine, that means the other three grandsons of

tolstoy mikhail ilyich andrei ilyich and vladimir ilyich turn out to be moving in a south direction and unfortunately, here is one brother dies of typhus, and the other brother is already outbid, who is there at the neck, which connects the crimea with the mainland . and when, uh, the reds advance, he gets up, uh, to his full height above the trench and just from uh, some kind of revolver or something, starts shooting point-blank. uh, the chain of reds, which, in general, was suicide, it turns out a bullet in the stomach, and it dies , in my opinion, just almost into the hands of his brother, but falls and now, after almost 100 years, historians have found it. maybe not exact right up to the very place of his burial, but the cemetery where they were buried,

who died in the twentieth year in that battle, and there is now a cross and, uh, here. it is written that count andreevich tolstoy died there during the civil war. vladimir ilyich manages to escape. he boards a ship and through turkey through galipopol through this gallipoli camp, ends up in serbia in the kingdom of serbs, croats, slavs in migration, and there in the twenties in xx-xxi they meet two grandsons of tolstoy , their mother, their sister, the younger serbian fat ones these same serbian fat ones, and which lived in exile 20 25 years, and there immigration was born. my father in the twenty- third year, and then his cousins ​​were born. children. e vladimir ilyich oleg a vladimir i. i am vladimirovich ilyusha vladimirovich and my father was born in such

a small town e. and then, when i went to elementary school there, but i still complained to me, i remember it very well that they didn’t let him out until the age of 5 to play with serbian boys, because he had to learn. uh, how should the russian language and they called him nikita and it was a conscious decision of my grandfather, because he only wanted such a name, russian, which there are no other slavic languages ​​​​and damages , a small detail about his baptism, that when they came to the orthodox church of serbia to baptize nikita, then the priest the prestigeists refused, because yes, he did not know any nikita let's let nikolai let's go. it's kind of good there. call me whatever you want, but i will baptize, as i know, as i can, my grandfather went to e, some kind of metropolitan, which means serbian

said. i know such a russian name, you can baptize nikita and here are his crosses, then there is one. photo as uh my father is sitting with this. you see now i am ours after the death of the pope with such a tolstoy ring, where is the coat of arms of the fat ones. that means, apparently he was allowed to wear it for a photograph. he sits very proudly. that's how it means, showing tolstoy's family family peach, and he studied at the russian gymnasium correctly. you understand, to belgrade so that he could continue his education at the russian gymnasium of course, this amazing was also a gymnasium, where many teachers or not. yes, that means that now, too, in the twenty-third year, the 90th anniversary of the russian house is being celebrated. this house is exactly here, so to speak, the russian house , which was built by russian architects. and, because the immigration was very large, it is believed that the russian emigration in serbia was about 40-45.000, and the serbian king alexander received the russians with uh with great

joy, because serbia had a very large military emigration a and king alexander was great he knew russian studied in russia in the corps of the pastor and in addition, of course, the relationship of the serbs. the russians were very special and i will introduce what, of course, the serbs still remembered. uh, the liberation war in the balkans is still that war of the 19th century, which liberated them from the turks from the ottoman empire. in addition, very educated people came to serbia, not only, but very many of these forty-fifty thousand were people with education and skills young good professionals. all this i mean that in the russian gymnasium there was an excellent education, but received a wonderful education and such a pre-revolutionary one is actually still, of course, they studied gift-giving textbooks further. wait , the fun begins, because here is this russian pre-revolutionary boy.

those who come from a white émigré environment end up in the soviet union and become a soviet student at moscow state university, and then a soviet scientist, and so on. but the most important thing between these two is war. yes, this is world war ii, where nikita ilyich takes an active part, as a partisan, and then as red army soldier. and these are some completely paradoxes of history. yes uncle's father is white, he turns red. he said somewhere about himself that i was the only tolstoy red army soldier. here's how it happened. well, this is generally, of course, such an amazing historical turn that has occurred in our family. and this conversation is not only about my father and not only about my grandfather and his brethren. here are these serbian tolstoy migration choices that she makes during the war. and this is not a conversation about the fact that they just managed to somehow change their fate, there was a huge will expiration of circumstances, of course, which are simply if it were not for these two grandchildren

of tolstoy, ilya ilyich vladimirovich. my grandfather is his brother, then we would not be sitting here now, and there were no fat people in russia. have fun for inviting your friends to tinkoff until june 30th and participate in the raffle of 100 million rubles together. he is so alone. it seems that you have changed a lot on the first date, and the taste of your favorite nuggets, there are no 70 parameters for evaluating chicken fillet so that the quality does not change over the years , qualitatively delicious and the point of help is needed. wind, all you need is wind.

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friends to tinkoff until june 30 and together participate in the drawing of 100 million rubles. we continue. this is a podcast life of the remarkables and our guest is a wonderful journalist, tv presenter fyokla, fat, as i understand it, russian migration was divided into defencists and defeatists , and this is exactly how the fat treated. ah, to the defenders. and they were ardent defenders. and there is such a pope loved this one with this recalled this quote. i don't remember, uh, a big piece, but i remember the phrase that in émigré magazines and newspapers such and such a rhyme about my grandfather was printed. well, it doesn’t mean epigrams, but about how he argued at all, and there it was, let’s say, like a scourge of god fell on him count ilya ilyich ilya ilyich was a nice fellow,

but at times just naughty, that’s how he led the discussion. and just like that, they defended this position of the defencist word. sluts, good, generally in a relationship. this is very general about us. lev nikolayevich wrote that thick wild ones are for something wild this is very pro- about ours. it is very very suitable. i smile like that, and you smile, because we imagine modern classy people who would also have such people, and i, of course, also have a wild shalaya, but now that’s not about that, so in my bombing of belgrade begins on april 6, forty-first of the year. my father is still finishing up. this is the last class of his gymnasium. there are photographs of him standing in absolutely tattered rags, as thin as a stick, such a pole, because his first work. it was that he even without graduating from high school. he dismantled the blockage , dragged bricks on the bombed-out houses of belgrade, just somehow they didn’t know how they put them in order, dismantled them.

then they turn out to be leaving belgrade, where they are already hungry and they come to vladimir tolstoy, who worked as an agronomist in the city of novyi bych in the northeast of belgrade on the river bank, yes and e, they find themselves, the partisan movement begins there, they help uh, partisans and, in general, probably the idea of ​​returning to the soviet union. it arises already when they remain in serbia when the red army comes , when the red army comes, firstly, they are very helpful, because they speak russian and they speak serbian vladimir ilyich knows everyone and he is a very respected person. so, for example, here we have a paper where gratitude is written to vladimir tolstoy or to her for organizing the local population to help cross the soviet troops across the river, in my opinion, the nkvd

smersh is right there that they are white emigrants, that they cannot be trusted, which means all. it's not like all these stereotypes are broken and people have a sense of trust or what, i can't catch when was this moment of decision making and maybe they are very they certainly forged. and we are the moment when the red army enters, for example, in serbia there was still the third grandson of tolstoy, vladimir mikhailovich tolstoy, who came from paris where it was terribly hungry, and he lived in serbia, it was also hungry, but better than in france and uh, here before the arrival of the red army, he said that i can't deal with the bolsheviks. i incredibly want in russia home. well, i can’t imagine that i would have such a common business with the bolsheviks, and he left when the germans were retreating. he went to paris and then went to america, and now our aunts live in america now. and i think that

they were ready to cooperate with the red army when they stayed, because , in fact, it turned out to be ready to cooperate with them. and it really was a general. i'm afraid to make a mistake in his surname, who are aware of the descriptions of the meetings. the soviet general who met them and who, uh, was for him marvelous. so what, here in the serbian outback in the balkans, two grandsons of tolstoy are doing, and apparently, this conversation. they are not just immigrants. not just whites. they are fat and this immediately causes trust , because whatever it is, the soviet government is such and such, but tolstoy is tolstoy is true. and, of course, we understand what's next. i'll tell you how they got back. and how, how, how did she not write a letter to stalin and the fact that they survived and the fact that we were born, of course, this is here in the mirror of russian revolution. played. i think it's a key key role, but that means let's go back for a minute to the new scourge and to serbia in general,

and the young ones are fat. here is my father, his cousin oleg, they are in partisan detachments, and they participate and help the red army very actively. for- when when there are fights, and then my father, who means 20 years old. and he decides that he will go further from the red army, he joins the red army , this is the most important for him. e. well, he's just already and by age the other younger ones, in my opinion, have taken he was then taken surprisingly by his red army book - this is his first document, in general, he first appeared in the environment , and russian people are not just emigrants, but russian people, so to speak, native from russia, they became emigrants, almost number 001 there and and 002 of those who returned, a call to return, and my grandfather has a witness certificate of a repatriate certificate number 01. babushkin has 002, dad

has 00364 and so on. and when they returned in august of 1945 to the soviet union , i found it in the dacha and could not say that this is for some strange newspapers with some insignificant articles. something my dad is there something there, well, there is no big reason to write something. it was such a pr-company that showed how wonderful it was. but even former white guards live in the soviet country, even former monarchists, because this letter is wonderful. of course, they wrote a letter. we former monarchists were guards - this was in the first line of this letter. we want to go back to, uh, outside again, an amazing story that i remember telling me, when they arrived by train at the belorussky railway station and aunt anna ilyinichna met them , the first thing she said to them was when they were so elated and patriotic. they went out to the platform and returned to their native land. they were told to keep quiet, yes, that is, they had to fit into this soviet

reality, which is not at all the same as it was dirty to them. yes, of course, and this is the remembrance of oleg oleg vladimirovich tolstoy, which peter tells about this, and this, probably, largely determined them and their lives. uh, further in this moment when they returned. in russia , he was still in the red army, but then he succeeded. uh, in september already to join, he received the appropriate permission and entered the moscow university. it was also interesting to take, uh, front-line soldiers without any exams, but he was a little late. i had to go to the rector of the university. and uh, it’s also interesting that my father really wanted to study history, but my grandfather understands that what is the soviet union in general, he once said, no, history cannot be dealt with too ideological science, then my father said. well, you know how i love literature, how i love poetry. we started to adore poetry

simply and brilliantly knew the poetry of the silver age, because all this in immigration was available all these publications and before the revolutionary immigrant ones. eh, how he was millions to me, this love attracted me, when here even this name was simply forbidden, and on this my grandfather also says no. and this is impossible, because this is not yet ideological. well, okay. well, at least i can study languages. well, here you can. yes, that was before how therefore becomes a linguist, and therefore he becomes a linguist. he enters the philological faculty, but then he enters the slavic department. uh, exactly, because this is this idea of ​​being russian and the idea of ​​studying e roots, but still russian slavic culture. he was very little interested in any german studies or absolutely french novels. and this and this is very very clear from his biography of a child born in a foreign land, but still and, of course, this is

a brilliant pro-slavist, because and he he is belingovo complete, he knows perfectly well. uh, serbian speaks like russian, he studies bulgarian at the faculty of philology. he knows the russian tradition. he writes works on his old slavonic language. the situation is devoted to the old church slavonic brilliant scientific career, but he never made a career. it's his very very well done in many ways. yes, and of course, he became an academician and there he entered the president of the academy of sciences, he held some posts there, but it ’s true, it all became possible after the end of soviet power, because he didn’t was a member of the party, therefore, but the truth was that he was allowed to teach at the university, and there, fortunately, at the faculty of philology, where you studied and listened to lectures. dad, after all, not everyone had to be party members. and they had to happen freely and he had the opportunity. he had

incomplete studies at the institute of slavonic studies, where he worked all his life, he had a group, which was from his students. e, basically consisted of and and. in general, i planted such a scientific scientific school of my own and such a direction, fuck it on linguistics. well it it is interesting that he had a very ok e, outlook, and that's exactly what he was with, then he began to deal with it, it was just that at the junction of different e different disciplines. what was his attitude to soviet life and soviet realities after all. so he was to some extent connected with dissidents there, or he thought about all this, there, i don’t know, there he was a colleague of shalamov academicians. somehow , these topics appeared in the house of a dissident - this is a very active civic position, my father's position was that he lived, as it were, not noticing the soviet power. yes, i perfectly understand, i am fully aware that you need to be allowed to do this, that when

they arrived in the forty, fifth year, they were in the camp, because many of us turned out to be such a happy family that we didn’t have anyone in our head and , of course, the figure of lev nikolaevich as a classic of russian literature and took the mirror of the russian revolution. she saved us , this must be understood, that is, my father had the privilege and yi and takes such a position. he's just very lucky incredible. it worked out well , relatively speaking, well, somehow, probably, they tried several times, but it was clear that it was useless, you understand? it's also a story like this. eh, they lived before the revolution, then a tragedy happened, then they lived abroad. and for them, the feeling of russia was that everything will pass, power will pass, such power will pass another, and russia will remain, and when my mother remembers. yes, because my mother is a soviet person. she was born. uh, she was not in moscow in any emigration, and she asked. she says, here i am young still asked ilya ilyich e, the grandfather of my

very white officer, immigrants and so on. she asks. and what do you think about soviet power, and he said very calmly, well, it will all collapse. and when? well, here's another 20 15 20 will pass, it will all collapse. he did not live up to his number in the seventieth year, but collapsed. exactly then, approximately, when he and he said, why did she ask. my mother, he said, everything is rotten, and my father. well, he, as it were, lived, as if outside of soviet reality outside of politics. no, of course, we were in the evenings and all the time we lived under these voices and so on, but it was clear. what, what, what can you do your own thing, regardless of the soviet e, from the soviet power, here is how to communicate with the students, and this, of course, is a departure into such linguistics and into very specific dust studies, and v. eh, of course. dad

, perhaps, would write more about software and some, as a very religious person who studied the old slavonic language, of course, he would probably write more on these topics more to be engaged in this, if there was an opportunity, but, well, somehow, and that's what i know. descendants of tolstoy are often asked how were you brought up? so, what kind of special upbringing did you have there, and so on , did you understand what kind of family you have? i can’t say anything, but now i understand what kind of upbringing was the main idea in upbringing was. what happiness that we are in russia what happiness? what is it, that we are here and he just talked about it almost every day when i studied at the philological faculty in the nineties. and well if i say 2/3 you will uh an understatement, well, almost my entire course is gone, then i somehow here i want to go to paris for us an internship an interesting world opens up. maybe i'll learn a little there. there-ta-ta. well, of course, come, please,

well, you remember, we made our choice. and, of course, it's a huge stroke of luck, because i can't imagine that they would have stayed. they would have stayed in serbia, they would have gone to serbia. they are further west. well i very much doubt what we my father would have done. it ’s not even that he would become an academician, but he would just do as much as he could make it happen, he is at an american university or or in a french one, that is, russia gave him fate, of course, and that's it. here is his father. that is, that is my grandfather and his brother. eh, of course they couldn’t, maybe it’s hard to judge? i have never seen them, they could not, probably, fully realize themselves, because these 25 years in exile have been a very hard life and somehow. well , of course, they dreamed of returning. they returned soon and they were already 50 years old. yes, to someone , uh, that is, the main part of life has already passed, although they were still very happy in russia a. here is my father, who came, he was

22, of course, he made it. and this is a great happiness. this is a big. uh, huge task. thank you very much, dear fekla, for this wonderful conversation. and it was a podcast. life is wonderful and i'm with you alexei varlamov and my guest was fyokla, a fat, well-known russian journalist, tv presenter and daughter of nikita, or tolstoy's chat, about which we talked so wonderfully today. thank you hello this is a podcast of letters. historians of news stanislav are visiting me today didensky and honored artist elena valyushkina. we will talk about the actress tatyana peltseva. how old were you

when you were filmed by tatyana ivanovna for articles ivan i was filmed twice. well here is the very first time the very first time. to be honest, i don’t remember what happened before, or the formula of love, or how to become happy years. you were dazzlingly good, you know about it and fell in love and dreamed you were extraordinary and you come to the picture where one of the heroines, tatyana ivanovna, is very middle-aged and already completely ugly, how did she accept you? she is very good very biting. no, not at all. in general , there’s not even that there, they even talk about it, the only thing they played when they played, they played cards at night. they had such fun they filmed all day and then played at night. they didn’t let me go there, but they didn’t let young people go there at all, because they considered us unworthy, because it was a serious game for money , they played for money. yes, sleepless,

fresh, sleepy beauties came. can you imagine laughing laughed, but unrealistic. in general, you they accepted obs, they didn’t immediately accept it, by the way , uh, abdulov and farad didn’t accept it in the first second, but they played a little bit in such a little bit, because they wanted you. it's cozy. they checked me, well, they listened, they were famous womanizers and, of course, they wanted to get this from a girl who wasn’t for them. well , okay, now i was not a pen, of course. no, they just didn’t show it there, because at that time there was a personal life, but men are arranged that way. it was. it was such a good time. farewell, hanging everyone loved a friend friend. hoho. this is to his stanislav well, you are historians. well, i just listened. what time yes? and what a fate was very similar, by the way, they are really friends with fain dahlia ranevskaya. yes, there were girlfriends of an iron

character. in general, which gives the descent to anyone of age in practice. yes, both are very ugly, lonely, childless, but sharply characteristic and despite this they could play the same roles, yes, they were friends or not friends, that tatyana ivanovna was born in 1904 and the father, who was a famous soviet actor ivan pelzer, a german nobleman , in general, then, which is almost enough, and the pedigree is published regularly, the reference book of the pedigree pepper of the russian federation but the most important thing that i wanted to say is the traditions of an excellent theater. i am not a theater historian, but what is a korshi theater? they know the twenties, uh, which continue the traditions of the russian academic theater, and she didn’t have so many brought up by her father, her father taught and the twenties are times that, in general, when

there was still this is a bunch between a bimental tamarin, yes, a legendary actress . maybe, which today not everyone knows this name, but, eh she soaked it all up from her. she was very much guided by her, let's look at tamara to us her some kind of graduation from any theatrical universities, this is very typical for many actors of that generation. yes, no matter how many did not receive a professional education, but it was not all taught to each other. he had a very original appearance, and she was stylish. having arrived here from germany, i saw their photographs, where she was well-groomed in hats and this european such a salmon was european chic, and she says that when she was little, and her mother told her all the time. that she can’t, perhaps i won’t quote exactly, that she was born very pretty, which is why tatyana ivanovna drew a conclusion and was offended by