carrots, which are always ahead, and here you can also see on the street, although i'm happy well ilya first, why did you go? well, firstly, i agree with everything that boris said here are very similar feelings of experience and, probably, i can say that hmm, to some extent, this is so for me. here, of course, and somehow it was not strange from early childhood. although i lived in moscow there, well, in a multi-storey building there on some kind of seventh 133 floor, but it didn’t always seem strange to be suspended. here in this some kind of box, when you can live here, in a house next to some river or with a forest or without a forest, that is, this is such a call to the earth. he was me. that's how i understand now, compared to childhood. i mean, i've always felt that way. well, indeed, there is such an apartment there, then such an apartment there in the nineties, it seems that they didn’t lose time somehow developed, but really it ’s further on there is another house, and then a house like this, and then there with a pond, and then with a view like this, and that feeling. i got dots

when the cow appeared. i suddenly realized you know how to milk a cow don't wag. i can't. well, my granddaughter can do the first cow in her life. it's true, it's important such here is the appearance of a cow. and i somehow hoped? get by with goats. but he is my wife. so, it was very tuned in. i would have the blessing of a spiritual father, what exactly a cow should be and that's exactly when the first cow appeared. not only did i feel that finally, now i have everything. but the very structure of the cosmos, the very structure of the sensation of space. she changed then there are some points on the horizon. they just disappeared, how gentle, and new ones appeared. now i will pin you to the wall, both of you, one smart, very person. somehow he told me. in general , everyone says to run away from the city. well, in principle, what you say in the village said, he turns a man into an appendage of a cow to me. if a you built your life in the village. so, what are you doing, everything is 100%, by yourself. then at some point

, it’s really this tempo that you have to milk a cow there two or three times a day and other things to feed the hay harvest, manure and etc. here, there is nowhere to go. well, because the animal won’t survive without you, yes, no matter how it is, it may be a problem for a long time, just like in city dwellers and some cats live there, and he says, i can’t come to your dacha . i have two cats at home, yes, as if it were an appendage of a cat in this case, but this is solvable, as in the case of a cat. as is the case, that is, not in the oven. and in the sense that you need to feed it, they just need to build their own in the same way. how do you like it, but in fact, if you really want to, you can look differently, in the end. if you want to reach it yourself, sometimes you can do it that way, or you can make it so that you don’t have to give it, but you will find a person who will help, in the end. this feeling that if you went to the village, you will always be there digging in the manure at four in the morning to be an appendage, yes , a cow, but this is not true, no. and i mean, what about the appendage of a cow, what do you say?

of course, this is such an exaggerated one. uh, so you can make unfriendly, but you need to insure common sense. if uh maybe you are physically, well, not ready to take on uh all the time, that means peasant labor, but you don’t have to fall into some extremes of exaltation. and now from one madness to some other, that is, to move gradually. hey, that's the first one i came up with. that is, i left moscow for farming. i came gradually. that is, i left moscow in 1994. here is awareness. there began to take off. it’s just that 1994 yes , the sweat looks little or just looks good - then there was yes, then there was this one, just the period the house is there cottage, there are some tens of acres here and there the first experience and understanding. what is, in principle. well, somehow you are responsible for the fact that the house is warm because you think something is water. well, it's defined by skills.

yes, but it’s on vk just there are new degrees of freedom, that is, with burden and difficulty , freedom arises. you arranged one thing. you arranged another. depends on uh, there infrastructure. uh, utility means you're not 100% dependent on brought today to the hypermarket or not brought e you e hmm does not depend on whether the cold water was turned off or not. do not have a parking space or no parking space, that is, with each next degree. here is the mastery. uh, such a space in the earth. you get more and more freedoms , including these. well, household, i would say household households are practically closed in case karina is walking around there. ok then. but i once listened to some kind of 2 years. listened to some famous economist. he says, that there is such an illusion that when you have land you can plant potatoes, then you will not die of hunger, because it is much economically. it is more profitable to buy potatoes in

the store, it requires a lot of money. that's your whole beautiful story. well, uh, probably, to each according to some possibilities. yes, you can have 2-3 cows for a small family there, and uh, don't try to make it the only source. e of existence, but the only source of food and say, all i am now, uh, generally in the store. i don't go anymore, i'm completely switching to uh, local and seasonal, that in principle, the right food guide is right. and i think that gradually we will somehow come to this more and more. here we are in the sense of humanity. yes, because there is such an idea, it has been imposed on us a little since childhood from such soviet times that everything that changes. well, change is inevitable. this is called progress and all changes are for the better. here we are in this paradigm somewhere. here people continue, how to think yes, in reality, if you look at history. yes, everything happened. uh,

and i think that's the stage of realizing the impossibility. well, firstly, just those cities that are being built right now, yes , around moscow in particular. this is the idea of ​​what, uh, means tens of years. uh, people and families will live in residential complexes of fifty sixty-story buildings. this is not the same experience. it's just being built. this experience is still ahead of us, well, society has to go through, and the experience of the world shows that the formation of the ghetto in such, er, means quarters. it's just an inevitable question time and question. what form, for example? this is a podcast of collected thoughts. i am vladimir legoy. yes, today we are talking with farmers , journalists, philosophers boris akimov and kuzmenkov. see, as the echios say, this is almost without irony yes. let's take a step back and ask ourselves a question. what is earth at all the bible says,

follow the earth. that is, it seems to me that these are blessed meek entities. yes, for they shall inherit the earth. this is the human essence itself. to be human means to interact with the earth. in some sense, it seems to me that this civilization of the city is the civilization of the metropolis, this is the separation from the earth. this means that humanity needs such a small step from a human one in general, this again does not mean that any resident of the city passed there. there is no general, as it were shown to us by the world history and history of world christianity, that in general it is possible to remain. e rush, so to speak, the light inside oneself under any circumstances, but as a rule, yes, as a rule, here is a garage, he will already sound a little scary, but a little narrower, as if a little and not a person generally yes, because we have to interact, a with the earth. well, of course, in a broad sense, not what is necessarily needed with the beds. oh well, although the same option quite interacts with the universe, but first

of all the universe donates to us through our planet. yes, through e through the earth and we need to understand that we are responsible for this. it's not just like this, like they gave us, yes, the next one, as it were, sit in a chair there. here chic, yes, and how would we understand this, if not us, then who, as it were, who will take care, yes, who will harmonize this , here we are responsible for this on the one hand. it's like a load, yes. this is also an opportunity. this adventure is such a creative disclosure, so it seems to me that a person from the earth is just like this, well, as if the connection is directly necessary in order to feel like a person, you feel free, what kind of creator, or let's leave tell me why meek inherit the earth, probably the earth uh, in a sense, learning humility. may be, i'm sort of in the opposite direction. yes, this conversation will unfold teaches prayer, because, being on earth and firstly, agriculture depends. natural factors, that's always depended on and lean year. it may

be the impossibility to survive the winter any longer, that is, here is a person, being. in this , constantly feeling such a merciful and terrible creator at some point, yes, this teaches you to pray. e, i think that like this, maybe, somehow one could reflect on this topic, of course , i don’t want to be understood that somehow i deify the earth. and it means that, as if yesterday , i walk and talk in yes, yes, but this is possible with cows, but with land. yes, but here is the connection. i really treat the earth as a kind of manifestation of the media. that is, it seems to me, that is, i believe that the manifestation of the media. yes, you can earth, uh, rich information. this is to bow down to the earth, the earth will teach, being on well, firstly, they say that nature is another such thing. here, as if the book about god yes does not work, then about divinity and uh, here the earth cannot but nature as a whole undoubtedly is a source of information knowledge of development even

here education because what is again here we are talking about the gentlemen, a little to say something critical in the city, nevertheless. uh, earlier man. he lived and was born, he lived, he saw nature, he saw. yes , birds, there fork behave animals see. how do the elements interact with each other and these elements. they give a lot in understanding, in general, the laws in the life of a person and in the life of a person in general. they pulled it out put it in a box, a person is in a box, which means transportation other box. and this is how he spends more than an hour of his life since childhood. and, uh, it means that in order to somehow help him understand life, this book, they say, read it, there are flowers drawn there. here he studies and tries so with difficulty. that's overcoming some barriers. it means getting to the bottom of things. here, being on earth in the broadest sense of the word in nature. eh, that's the gist of things. it’s just open, look, but you’re just like that, uh, it’s vital on earth. and now people are watching and listening to us. will start now pack your bags. well, tell me, honestly, you still grew up in the city, what

can you be honest about. that's deep so, yeah, what do you miss when you're on the ground from the city? you do not have enough theater so we build theaters. here, yes, there wasn’t enough good school, for example, we launched a school for me with neighbors for our children. there is no feeling at all that something is missing. and i can say this, vasya , to be honest. well, of course, to be honest. this is sometimes lacking. here uh call your friends and go drumming. this is sometimes not enough. well, well, in principle, anyway, meet friends. we meet there often. and even more often than in moscow well , such a superficial kind of spree, or something, evening night, which, as it were, sometimes, maybe, maybe would like it. well, in general, he already lives with and without him normally and well, but now it’s time for the soul, after all , moving all the time. e in a rural

settlement. this is not resettlement to antarctica or mars there. yes, with modern means there, well, that is, and i went. yes, yes, at the end ends for barrs, too, maybe even go , but it’s not necessary, and that’s good. look, then here's another question. hmm, a myth about farm food, a myth, not in the sense of fiction in iraq, but in such a way as they say, how are you philosophers. speak in the losev sense of the word, yes, a myth, as a certain, symbolism, and so on, what is true, what is not. it's because all this talk, mm, that all gmos are all terrible. harmful. they also need to be divided by 165 on the one hand on the other hand, as we know, a person is fine what he eats, what is important here here in this very food besides the seasons, which has already been mentioned, but let's start with the first taste that is very different some tastes are different. e for modern man. maybe for the worse, that is, it is unusual for a modern person, taste buds, as it is lacking. uh, here's a man buying butter at a store. yes, it's so dark there

it's so yellow almost brown it reveals the aroma from there, so naturally, well, the taste of oil can't be like that. can't can't. yes, here is the real famous vologda oil, which at the beginning of the 20th century was imported all over the world, trains came from russia with oil. this is hardly an avalanche, which means that such a nutty aroma that was so highly valued, it is so light. well, how sour it is hard to spread it. it's also so thin. this is how you can define real oil, which means some products, for example, cottage cheese. here, well, i have one of those favorites. i consider cottage cheese to be one of the most important foods in the human diet. and the one who once tries real cottage cheese. that's who was there yesterday grass in the morning. yes, cottage cheese tonight. he will never return. and this is very important, in fact it seems, and it should be fat, moreover, because the ring is only in a fatty environment, and so on. here is the curd of animals can be treated for various diseases. here you give it constantly works. here, that is,

this is important and, let's say, tasteful in such bureaucratic language and for health, as it were , it is also very important. so i think that m-m, here is an egg from a natural chicken, which the chicken is the same predator 500 natural chicken, the chicken loves meat the most. yes, i saw a chicken, so they saw some kind there, either a viper, or horror, so they tore it to pieces. that is, naturally. here is what you will see, who what feed the chickens, means factories. yes, this is just some kind of mockery of animals, the chicken is the heir of the dinosaurs. in general, yes, that's a direct sweat from a dinosaur. it loves meat very much. here it is syria program, obviously incredible is under the yard. she walks around the yard and does not need to feed, in principle, not to pour anything on the cake, yes, that's where zhukov is. worms. uh, there means, uh dogs. yes, yes, yes pebbles, even a cutlet, she cutlets are all here with pleasure. then it means an egg with such a shell that you need

to beat it with a spoon so that it means like an ostrich . and this, well, i always taste with nothing. this is a real delicacy, but you are great as you are a major specialist in homemade food, including, so to speak, in its restaurant version. yes, what is there, besides eggs and cottage cheese. well, of course, a very important point is the life span, yes, that is, when you are here really. here comes the eggs. here they were demolished there an hour ago. well, let there a few hours ago and you gave a cow, someone gave it to you, you took this milk. it is there and he is now or 2 hours of life. here or there fresh, again the prophet, sour cream. or you even pulled some kind of carrot out of the ground. here it is like this for the first few hours. this is a completely different product. actually a different truth. this is some kind of incredible taste that is completely incomparable even even farm, but which for some time lived. and now i was waiting for that moment while you eat, therefore, here even here is life

along with food. yes, it opens food. here it is in its freshest form. and this, of course, is a lot of things, so then of course. there is an exact emotional moment, after all, when you realize that how it was born, this food, of course, grows for you. well, here it’s just many times, but it ’s just that, well, you love apriori because it appeared thanks to you, listen. well, there is another aspect here. i looked here. eh, by chance or not by chance? uh, i watched some, then a video on the internet, where there is a lady on the farm cooking. and here she first shows a live rabbit, and then it means everything to sour cream. no, not so fast sir. she sounds alive afterwards, in my opinion. there is almost a stopper, and then she marinates it there yeah 85%, e reviews yes, the comments are terrible. close the unsubscribe channel, but jokes

are jokes. here we were recently. uh, friends, not at the farm, and friends were cooking suckling pig. we were looking for doing so that the children did not see how to live with this, how is it how to bypass it? here he is a lively beautiful eared rabbit. here it is in sour cream, in fact, why live? eh, for example, for nature, eh, in harmony with the earth , it is important, because it also opens it. well, for adults and for children, understanding that how the world works. and that's what its natural arrangement is, well, it's fine anyway. me, when people came up with such comments, this is hypocrisy why, because they themselves go to the store to buy meat, it was written by some laurel vegans who refused you to be ethical considerations. well, well, at least in lavredity it’s bad anyway, right? yes, that is better, well, don't eat meat. well, why did you climb to see everything? well, at least you have chosen some position. well, 90% of these comments are written by a meat eater. for example, i

asked you this question at some point, for example, when you had to write the first morning. here's a chicken to slaughter me me, it was some, well , some questions were the word slaughter was uttered so faster than the rest. but then i realized that here, i love this one such a goose. here's a live one. he likes it so much that the goose is so active there or is it such an active pig. here, the cognizing reality surrounding with succeeded. here, i'm right there. well, i love it, in such a living guise. well, i also really like it when it's on a plate, it's also great. that's how i like it and i don't get embarrassed at all. well, i agree, yes, how is it? how did you slaughter your first duck? i won’t tell you the details, but yes, my children are from moldova. by the way, well, boris alex well, somehow, well, that's the question, damn it, well, that's how everything was to study, shouldn't have stopped talking about it

being fun? yes? well, yes. don't leave, naturally the circle of life. i think it's here. that's very important somehow, well prioritize. but if you love people. well, first of all, yes, then you understand that they need to be fed, you need to feed the children with meat, because, well, in order for them to grow up healthy and strong, uh, humanity lives. all the time of its existence. and well, in the end it's blessed we had these doubts. and now in the spiritual father such to cut or not to cut. like why be, huh? here, uh, they prayed and did, that is, but the children, and the children also realize for the first time. i had a son, 12, in my opinion, i say, let's go. yes, he is such direct advice. i say, let's go participate. well, somewhere here is some such age, when already, well, in general, the boy

becomes involved with the man. well, you will continue to eat meat will not. that is. well, as it were, well, what is this, what is the gastronomic curve of remarks on the margins of the question of pigs so far. eh when i remember trying to make sense of it. uh, my grandfather and grandmother lived in the village. and when grandfather died. they had such a pig there, maybe he was a big pig, he was 3 days old, or how much he didn’t eat at all, didn’t take food, but his affairs. here grandfather died, and he lay for some time. well, this is a fact. i'll add one more. i would say, e some kind of philosophical justification for the general need. there is an animal. so it lies in the fact that, in principle, we are in such a stage of human development now. quite a long time ago and apparently, in the near future we will have this diversity. if the farm animals are some kind of geese, these same pigs are cows, and so on. it is the only reason.

why are they surrounding us? because we eat them. that is, as they say, let 's not eat these rabbits. let's not eat geese, then they simply won't be there. that is, it turns out those who call. i have these animals to submit to make them disappear. and it seems to me that it's such a thrill when you you come out of the terrain and you see the seething of life. there is not only vegetable, but also the stomach. and here, by the way, it is interesting whether this is again connected with the city or not? i just remembered, all of a sudden, when, well, i don’t know how much we had with my sister. my sister is a year and a half younger there. well, there were well, i don’t know, maybe she was eight years old and seven and dad from fishing, brought some healthy live carp there and uh, he lived in our bathroom there for half a day, but the next day they said that now they would fry him . and it was, of course, hysterical. but you somehow everything is organic happened. i just remember crying. so there had to somehow be some kind of pedagogy. no need. uh, means to go to the school age vestibule, as it were, so

they know how to build the world logically. they really want, yes, yes, there is a time for everything, that is, there are measures of age, and someone even at 20 cannot endure there and will not stay for life, as with some kind of fears and phobias, listen. i want to return to the topic that we are so on about. we touched the earth and faith, yes, the earth and will, we said the earth and freedom, the earth and faith uh, maybe such a strange question, but on earth it's easier to be a believer. well, you generally be easier, and on the ground in the city and on the road on the way out of the city these little things. i meant, well, here's one thought that we sounded? what do you understand about your limitations? yes, but it seems to us that oh, now, tomorrow, yes, i’ll make more money there. open yes, here you are, this is an addiction. yes, there is some kind of you understand that by his will, that is, the rains have come in, yes, that’s all and hello, but in addition to or there is no rain, but it won’t come. yes, look hmm me then like this

question. i asked you one. and the answer surprised me. maybe your answer has changed because it was a year and a half ago. that's when you tell them like this with inspiration the earth, you have to go to the earth, well , they can't all move to the earth one more. well why can't i. well, how is that possible? no? well, we are now thinking already in the coordinate system of some today. well, that is, i see. that's tomorrow. well, there literally in the process woke up let's go. well, because it is difficult, there is some kind of infrastructure where to live there are roads and so on. now, if we're talking radio in the future, i don't know 10-20 there. there are thirty-five ten, for example, years old, we understand that well, even it has become. well, no matter how civilization it is, well, it was arranged differently. that's it, in my opinion. here is the principle of the hostel, which now dominates, that is, megacities and so on. and when they say that these are such modern trends, well , the trends are now this trend. and what will happen there in 10 years, in 20 the trend will someday

end, and it has reasons, in fact case will end. and a person, and especially in russia, the largest country in the world. well, right, well, it’s a sin to huddle in some sixty-fifth floor in some kind of capsule apartment, if you have the opportunity, to feel this will every day, and all these conversations, that something is medicine, there is education for the poor relationships this is not really no for the poor. i mean figure. no figure. naturally, not in the sense that there is money, then everyone says no, no, figuratively. well, how is it that this problem does not exist? how to teach children? how to treat? firstly, as if with cottage cheese, well, firstly, there is no school nearby, the second is to go to school. thirdly, if millions of options are different, how is the problem solved well then. tell me one more thing, when today many people are talking more about the fact that the russian village is dying. that's

what you're talking about, it's some. this is the hope for the revival of that russian village or not to enter the same river twice. here's how to combine these two themes that russian village, what kind of before 1861 , or before the stolypin reforms, or after the stolypin vulture, or collective farms? yes, the village well, firstly, when did people live on earth, yes, and when is that one of the definitions of a grove? yes , this is a forest with mowed undergrowth. this is felix for me, razumovsky said. he says , after all, here they stopped mowing there, i don’t know in belarus yes, and i say that she is talking, you are talking seriously, so people should go out and mow. he says, yes, in this sense, maybe i don’t know how, clearly, i agree with such a base boris’s thought that it should be, uh, freedom of choice and happiness, that is, to expel all, uh, means with braids and make them mow. uh, it means in their free

time from their main work, it means how they sent employees to the vegetable warehouses. in it, this is not necessary and it will not and will not work. this is a return, that is, a return to there to the village of the thirties fifties. that's definitely not necessary. yes , the way it used to be. it seems to me that if we talk about a dream, it would be great if in one form or another, but hmm i think that it is possible that we were returning to some stolypin ideas associated with a greater degree of individualization, means economy, like this, how the salpin reform was, so i think that it will be like some kind of new one, it’s not even necessary to use this word village. yes, because now the village. this is something, here, the associated word farm farming farming, why life uh, life life, uh, rural life in the province of land ownership land use, so you can be a little bit bureaucratic, glory and so complicated, yes own land . this is how i think

it is. here. i see, and i would even say e. vladimir solovyov, who is a philosopher sergey from the beginning of the 20th century sergeevich, yes, yes, he said what progress is progress is when you take the past and carry it into the future. here, as it were, the village of the future. it will, of course, somehow grow out of the past. well, she certainly won't be in the village of the past. that is, it is, in principle, the other another reality, which will combine in itself some completely, well, which are understandable to us for this thing, some partial some urban traditions, there will be. well we we won't go back to some revolutionary or soviet village at all. hmm . well, yes, it will be some kind of new one, and the main thing is that we can build it. that is, we can live in such a new village. that is, we will do it for ourselves. that is, we will show our creativity. we re-harmonize to our earth, to our countries. it seems to me, it seems to me, this is some kind of joint creativity of three subjects. e, means

relationship, and on the one hand a person. well, people, yes, and we here we are promoting boris just did a great job in his life and people find it interesting. it actually takes polls. i have seen questions where uh up to 670% of people when they are asked a question. are you ready to leave under certain circumstances, that is, to leave the earth, but to come to earth to come to earth to come, and to come to earth, then the second subject is hmm philosophers who to give it some distance to touch is given to you, the third. this is a state that nevertheless sets certain trends, as it were, forms and publishes certain conditions. here, of course, the state should. well, if now it is possible to build these, uh, residential complexes of forty fifty-story buildings, yes, then they appear. if it is turned a little in the other direction, so to speak, if you are expensive, this is the infrastructure of education, especially

in elementary school. or even high school is quite it today. forces to do, including some remote things and so on, through your lips, vladimir sergeevich solovyov was a wonderful philosopher, and today we talked with philosopher farmers boris akimov and kuzmenkov. i am vladimir of the left, we gathered our thoughts about the land of the will further with all the stops. thanks friends. thank you. hello, my name is dmitry bag. i am the host of a literary podcast called let them not talk, let them read, and i and my wonderful people talk about this sweet wonderful process, because reading e in many ways allows us to live another life reading

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organizations. but, a in the middle between the two parts. we, as always, will have a surprise at this time. i remind myself and a personal poem or showing some old book from my own library. let's see what will happen this time and i'm happy to start this conversation sergey , please tell us how it happened that you entered literature so early. well, far from all er debut, if i remember correctly 18 years old or 19 years old, how did it happen this is a family tradition. this is some special time that it happened that very early began to write composed. fairy tales rewrote the books of life, because i was born in the family of a priest. and in general, the passion for literature captured me literally at the very earliest years, i published domashniy magazine to interrupt you, at the very beginning they rewrote live and i said, yes, and these are such semi-forbidden

lives, uh, in such uh, homespun covers e lives of the new martyrs those who were killed in xx century forcibly. yes, if there are other traditions of the revolution of the civil war and later in the thirties. so literature captured and began to publish his own magazine at the age of 10. in general, we are for the family, but in general it was distributed and even agreed with a neighbor who reprinted something. although mostly. i printed it myself. yes, of course, and then this server was copied and in general it went. what is called to the people, for example, my first debut in the official press for future biographers. this is the ogonyok magazine where my note was published there. first was the text about me, and then some of my text and just all this revolved around this magazine. this note was of a literary nature of a critical nature or it was an essay. i don't remember. it was dedicated to the fact that there is such

a schoolboy who already publishes a magazine called freedom listen how cool this public building is. these are legendary years. these are the years when vitaly karotich directed the flame, yes, then gumilev was resurrected in the flame in the eighty- sixth year. this is a little later, apparently yes, give the year the ninetieth year, and you are 80. that is, you are 10 years, of course, i don’t even know, pushkin made his debut at 14, we won’t compare, and then, of course, he wrote a lot. e, already in the future as a student at moscow university, took his stories to the novy mir magazine in the journalist faculty of journalism. yes, yeah, where is journalism and at 19 years old. eh, posted there. i mean, you're like, uh, a professional writer. what a terrible combination of words. no, well, everyone writes. e. this is known e understandable at 10-12 years old. e at 15:00, but not everyone enters the new world of 19 years. yes, for

me it was an event and happiness, i remember we somehow hung out with classmates and uh, there was some kind of theme with getting into some kind of night club and i climbed over the fence and one of them screamed shown me. there climbs the author of the new world. and although the rest understood that this publication was only to come, but it inspired me and it seems to me that i myself spread this energy of the legend. that is, it was the legend of shargunov? well, cool, yes cool to publish, it was inspiring and down with energy, then write big things, then apply for a debut award. i received it. well , in general, well, somehow i can’t imagine myself without to write, but at the same time i like this debutant glow. uh-huh, you always want to feel at the beginning of something to show,

despite the fact that the family is enough there and mom and dad. e, of course, literary history, because before, by the way, the priest of the pope was a poet and therefore a translator in the family there were always a lot of friends of writers. hmm. there, too, anastasi ivanov tsvetaeva, you can say that i was raised by my mother, the daughter of soviet writers , and at the same time among your relatives, gerasimov, you know, there, despite the fact that there are different e, eminent ancestors? it is very important for me to feel my independence. to remain myself, and on the one hand, peering with love, tenderness, trepidation, understanding of complexity, because sometimes the ancestors literally opposed each other, dividing into red and white. nevertheless, i feel

. what is called the first discoverer. well , it is also very important that you do not so much continue the traditions as you try to do? something new happens so often, and the famous phrase of mikhail roma remember the two students, who came to him, one did not know anything, and the other knew, all of her were both geniuses, they were , respectively, vasily shukshin and andrei tarkovsky. you know, the formula of innovation in tradition is close to me. uh-huh that is, in fact, it is important to feel that this channel has been laid before us, but you really want and it is very important that everything you think, say, do is not borrowed by your free. well, you mentioned the premium debut. this is an important institution of that time, the prize existed for quite a long time, probably a decade and a half. i can be a little wrong, but approximately, and uh, very many through it entered the literature and debut award. eh, i never had anything to do with them and i remember that it is interesting because

those who do not yet know how to write, whether they or not, participate in the competition. yes, i remember 400 kg of e-mail, which were stored in the first season. yes, i sent it myself. i remember how now in a yellow envelope my tale of love, baby, punished, baby punished, but you knew that in the description, unlike others , i didn’t think at all that i would win there were 40,000 thousand then. yes, it's in the same category. huge lottery. now, in the example, the lyceum is occupying this niche, and still it is a very important mechanism for discovering young talents, of course, the most important feeling, it is still personal. but hmm, when you take some step towards the reader and meet support. it seems to me that this is important especially at an early time, the kid is punished - this is what love is about, uh, a teenage boy who is twisted and made up seductively. e lady, well, you see

the opportunity is very different. this is in general such a largely dramatic plot and earlier in many respects a confessional thing that i still the road in general, probably, e someone said that the basis of any literature often lies. an unfortunate heart , some kind of broken or pain, as he said, tarkovsky's pain, the elder, is some kind of breakdown. now there is no happiness, therefore, it is very fashionable to exploit the theme of trauma. but even before it became fashionable. uh, everyone has always understood that hmm, the experience is shaped by the writer. you know, the topic of trauma is a special one, of course, the topic is not close to me either. uh, well, here's a kind of violent feeling in this topic of the social element. that is, it is always some projection of a personal social phenomenon. this is your point of view, the new socialism of socialism.

it was supposed to show the competitions of the social life of the production of the party leading the helm, and here, as usual and within the framework of this canon, they arise, of course, but here all the same speeches, i insist, i don’t know how experience. here is an attempt to scale it socially and generalize always to the detriment of the artistic. it's none of my business, but if i were a prose writer, i'd probably think so, yes, because, well, you don't need literature at all. drive into a procrustean bed and do it. eh, and even when you have some kind of concept , because without it there is no way. then literature itself takes you beyond these frames beyond these boundaries, because if the characters come to life, they already behave somehow by their whimsical routes. pushkin said that tatyana ran away, yes, and got married. remember, it's wonderful. hey, it's great to write a new book now. and how many times do you write a chapter. you know that the hero has to go there and say, it's not like that, everything turns out

exactly the same way, because, well, some, probably, the feeling, the truth dictates something else, the truth is artistic. it, of course, is both moral and cognitive at the same time, but here is a very important topic that you understood now very many. unfortunately they are straight forward. yes, i read about something good, the table read better about something bad. has become worse, no, poems are growing, but to the point of obscurity, yes, and literature is changing a person, including through complexity and through evil. eh, i read it sometime. e poorly made such, and god has a sloppy christmas story. on the contrary, you can become a skeptic and to lose faith in the whole world, but after reading a heavy e-tragic book. you can actually become lighter, because deeper and you can't speak straight. not everyone understands this either. e.