everything is not so, it turns out exactly the opposite, because, well, some kind of feeling of truth, probably, dictates a different plot. true, artistic. it is, of course, both moral and educational at the same time . unfortunately, the argument is straightforward. yes, what i read about something good became better, i read about something bad became. there is no worse. yes, yes, not the vedas of shame and literature, but a person changes, including through complexity and through evil. eh, i read it sometime. e poorly made like that, eh. uh, god has a hated christmas story. on the contrary, you can become a skeptic and lose faith in the whole world, but after reading a heavy e-tragic book. you can actually become lighter, because deeper and you can't speak straight. not everyone understands this either. uh, my favorite example is a soviet

cartoon from the soviet era, where the teacher explains how to be modest, you have to do this, and then there are crowns among you. everyone speaks, that is, it is impossible to pronounce. i'm humble, i'm supposed to be in this business and so, so attracted your possessing prose, but then you were not alone, we were the memoir genre, because i did not accidentally say about the heat of debuting. all the time you want to move on. the worst thing is to stop and tell. so i was like that and lead to some series of some yes, every new book, like the first uh-huh this is great. so we continue our conversation in the next edition of the literary podcast. dmitry tank. let them not speak. let the wonderful guest sergei shargunov read. you remember, of course, our dear viewers, that i am very i love showing you books from my library. this time i brought you

a beautiful book. this is the legendary known to all. uh, a collection of nikolai alekseevich zabolotsky called stolbtsy is a debut. by the way, the debut collection is the zabolotsky ones, which later remained completely different after their arrest after their ordeals after the repressions, and this is the publishing house writers in leningrad 1929 a pearly beautiful book in which zabolotsky well, as it were, tries to vestically, or something, somehow then dismember a single picture of the world and show, but some kind of holiday that arises. right in the midst of everyday life, if not kopirosmonashvili. he 's probably a pyrosman, that's how i will read a poem about football, not only because i once seriously played football, but because i think this poem is beautiful. see how the game there grows to the scale of some universal events. and how wonderful it all is here football

nikolai zabolotsky rejoices forward on the run , now what does he care, as if the bones protect his open body, like a cloak his soul flies, the collarbone knocks loudly, and the interception his cape is dancing. in the ear, the membrane dances in the throat, the grapes and the ball flies over the row. they grab him, at random they will stop his poisons, but iron poison heels are worse than you are so glad fell into a pile becky is the defenders back defender dumped the tape becky swollen from the draft. and now, through the seas and rivers , the expanses of the square of snow, straightening the magnificent armor and rooting in the meridian, the ball flies rejoicing forward to the fire, blowing, iron knees, but fantan beats from the throat. he falls screaming,

the betrayal of the ball is spinning between the walls, whether it is a ball, or whether it is the globe smoking, swelling laughs and squeezes his eyes. good night. the peephole will open good afternoon and the striker wants to torture four goals. pali in a row above them pipes do not rattle. they counted and wiped the melancholic goal with a rag, cyprus and shouted. night comes night, strumming a diamond damper. she leaves a black key. a hospital has opened in the atmospheric hole, alas, here wordspeed without a head above it, two copper spears, a stubborn ball with a rope, are knitted from the afterlife slab. water flows into the holes cut out and dries in the throat. grape. sleep format backwards sleep poor forward above the ground. the dawn has fallen deep , the girls are dancing at dawn by the blue stream.

still withering to rest in a purple house, the wallpaper is getting old. mom every day sleep poor forward we live very important that this poem was subsequently rewritten and edited. but this is an early version of a beautiful poem by nikolai zabolotsky with a twist. yes, yes, when he was close to kharms kvedensky to the forehead group, on the one hand , a hallucinatory, and on the other hand, a very realistic poem , we must tell the audience that we are both three petrovichs football players, and we happened to pass the ball to each other on tolstoy's yasnaya polyana astor, when there were five or six, uh, fat ones in the clearing. yes, it was a great job. well, let's talk. uh, now about, uh, one of your main books is a book.

here i have it in my hands. this is one of her editions. this is a book called kataev the pursuit of eternal spring on a book about valentin petrovich kataev. how easy is it to guess the titles? what is the mystical connection between the heroes? after all, the author cannot just write someone's biography, maybe because he hmm connected to youth magazine like you or not only this connection continues. yeah, because i became the editor-in-chief of youth after writing this book. maybe this , as it were, was the reason for the youth magazine to come, but i dreamed about it, perhaps a hand, and then they called me from there and they say, listen, come, but you will by that time. they wrote the book, yes, that is, it was such gratitude, i perceive it that way, well , wonderful, what a figure to say that for me this is a wonderful excellent stylist. uh, just a wonderful writer, and in literature for me fiction. this is the most important thing, and i simply enjoy reading kataev a among

other things. i wanted to unravel, or at least try to somehow comprehend his sharply plotted life, it was both red and white , he was almost shot in the basement of the odessa cheka, on the other hand, the offspring hangs. this is a whole story for the development of literature. he gave way to constantly young without him there would not be many names in literature, as it all was, and i want to say that this is a book continues, because new and new amazing documents are emerging, that there will be a reprint, because they were opened, for example, the protoco. interrogations e, and it turned out that at the same time when he was sitting, that's where i expect to be shot, was his friend eduard bagh, who was arrested, to whom kataev, in general, gave a ticket to literature, that is, he dragged him to moscow and began to drive through magazines and made him a famous poet. well, in general, a lot of important interesting. eh, and what is

not here is key and in this book, too, i felt hmm little thing. eh, just was investigating. and there are many, uh, unique letters. and lesha we are deltas, uh, and many others. uh, there yevgeny petrov brother is not much kataev, this topic continues , an excellent writer rides. and for me this is the main thing, but you are a person. e, who gave life, by the way, to the generation of young twenty-year-olds who then came in their youth. and here i want to trust his daughter evgenia, that same zhenya from the seven-flowered flower, who says that dad would be pleased with the life of today i would still like to return. here 's to what is commonly called the odessa school, because, after all, odessa, the tenth

twenties, and the levantines. this is such a gribnitsa school, but we remember shklovsky , viktor borisovich wrote about it, flatly wrote about it, but this is babel, of course, this is kataev or in petrov this is semyon lipkin, for example, the elder of the eleventh year. yes, he did not communicate with this company. eh, with this petrovich. after. well, they gave the cafe a highly valued poem to strongly return, lipkin, an absolutely brilliant poet is different and not only that is wife or starred to say, and even on the landscape forester, if this is the whole thing. and olesha and yuri karlovich olesha of course yes, it should also be called here as, but i must say that kataev is for me. eh, such an original successor to the bunin line. uh-huh and he perceives with me as a student of bunin and i would actually call the name of nabokov for me kataev and nabokov are, in fact, such

rivals are the students of ivan alekseevich unexpectedly, because bunin was also in odessa, we know that he had odessa period. you are connected with this cursed days, then gave an impetus to literature, but he left, and in the same way young nabokov, he studied with him wrote letters to him, sent his first things and i must say that they were bizarre on the trajectory developed a statistical line. this aesthetic was the main thing for them and it was interesting how they treated each other. well, at least for kataev, nabokov was a writer. it's clear. this is an interesting proposition. indeed, they are rewriting the book. i may even have expanded the topic of kataev nabokov, is it scary, or are you worthy a separate, for example, literary analysis, when i teach students, at the moscow art theater school, which i really love as an actor , not a philologist, of course. eh, so i propose to divide them into nabokovites and yeseninists in no way, without opposing the two geniuses of russian literature.

i adore yesenin on the side, but still, uh, in a sense, these are poles , either life as such, nature, yes, or such an intoxication with beauty nabokov wrote that he hates a person who enters the forest and does not know what is the name of each weed and so further. this is, uh, an addition to the southern fullness. heat aesthetic vision is very important. it seems to me, yes, why do you say? look, and you are investigators in the sense that hmm, when the first edition of the book appeared, i heard that uh, it’s in vain that so many pages are devoted to kataev, because he, like so many authors, is reduced to a formula. yes , kataev is the author of the story a lonely sail turns white. come on, this is the trend of the regiment soviet economic soviet canon. and there is, uh, magnificent and there is magnificent mavistian prose, that is, er, maybe, perhaps, his better prose, which he wrote in the slope of his life. that is it explain this term. but

this means bad, yes bad, but in fact a shift in proportion. it's great. it was prose that did not fit into any norms more than socialism and it was some wild, free magnificent prose. this holy well with herbs has already been written vector diamond is my crown i recommend it to everyone. and now i'm writing a book about another writer. uh-huh, yuri pavlovich zakove. that is, it is a biographical your line is blown. and yuri pavlovich is an absolute genius. i mean, i'm so glad to hear that from you. i myself am different, but there is also something related and, uh, this is related, i will name the password. bunin hmm it's interesting that just kataev and the cossack also had a certain line of rivalry, rolling. being extremely generous to any other gift here tensed up a bit, feeling, in fact, just as i

think. yes, i think that nabokov is a kataev too, sensing his opponent, because he was highly regarded. remember this judgment dear our viewers. it's bold nabokov valentina roll. i saw an opponent. not all of you will agree. i will think about it here is a hypothesis. this is of course a theorem, but an opponent on the basis of aesthetic dominance. yes, they are public very often perceived by no means stems. shmyta, in general, yes, yes, this is the ubiquitous recluse. e. this is a man who miraculously escaped execution, went through wars and ended up being such a soviet american, because in the twenties they stormed the heights of life. yes, yes, these guys and, of course, it was important for them there, then even a newspaper gudok is good to live cheerfully, and for us, bulgakov, by the way, but in the same company it is so

lonely. unfortunately the voice. forgotten absolutely transparency is it's just probably the best storyteller. eh, the second half of the 20th century in a dream, this bitterly wept, of course, an absolute classic. these are just gashin's stories. uh, another red color. you read and re-read it and you don't feel it. what you read, because you get right there, and you find yourself inside. this is a transparent river that carries you well, it does not interfere with writing prose, of course, but here's another i would like to return a little to the theme of the youth of the magazine and young literature. you already started things about it. this is very correct. this is young prose, young literature, all this she was nurtured. kataev of course there are, let's call them axions. yes, this is a wonderful thing. ok then. but the current youth, you

also started talking about it. you are the editor-in-chief of a youth magazine, and that in itself is very cool that the magazine exists, because not all magazines have survived. this is our sadness. this is sadness, grief, pain and all comb literature. this is a pain, but in fact, everything must be done to ensure that this truly national treasure lives. uh huh , actually. here through then write how much the association i headed about it. now i have begun to do a lot in order to somehow support the signals leading the fat men, because it is real. it's tasteful. it's a combination of very different wonderful genres, and nowhere else . how exactly inside the tolstoy magazine. and it's not archaic. this is an opportunity to publish and speak out for good authors of various generations unknown. uh, maybe oleg grigor, chukhontsev or alexandrovich kushnar, who, over 80, will write several poems, and they come to

the magazine, but the world. eh, znamya is very young, and oleg grigorievich is also our wonderful authors, who are now thinking where they should go there with a story with a literary-critical text. right now there is a wonderful critic from the city of kamyshin , volgograd region, ivan rodion ivan rodionova, a regular contributor to the magazine youth man, clever and subtly brilliant interprets contemporary literature less importantly, yes. because everything is immediately available on the internet. yes, youth gives its space to different writers. we have a lot of famous and successful writers, but at the same time it is very important that the lion's share is a writer. this is a new generation of twenty-year-old regions, which is very important, and i am glad that many very noticeable interesting ones have actually appeared. uh, original brand new writers. well, i just read

ekaterina manuela, mmm, perfectly. hey vera. bogdanova in my opinion, interesting things are very well known in the latter. well, yes, yes , this fame arises very quickly and swiftly from the debut. i do not think that it spoils the authors, as a rule. on the contrary, it gives some impulses to continue, if it is an example for others who want to write. eh, whoever has such a need, start trying yourself no, there are no restrictions. no , obstacles, please, it's very cool and that the creative spirit is something that is extremely important for society, well, society and the society of the nation to the ethnos, as you like, so that there is this uh, creative environment, that's right. e, of course, there is no doubt, but in thick magazines - this is the authority that is over. eh, well, for a century and a half , maybe even more, it was the main one in russian literature, because the book followed the magazine, always the person who wanted

to take place in literature followed the magazine. yes, as if dostoevsky or goncharov with their farmers ' novels about this speech continues and it is important for me, for example, that i wrote a story e for myself before, for example, the collection came out. i give stories to thick magazines. so you mentioned the association, uh, writers -publishers, who would lead and hmm was here again. ah, skepticism. this is what the idea was, after all, how not to unify the forces itself, but to support the fact that after the collapse of the union of soviet writers , several organizations were formed, but after 30 years, tearing all kinds of rubbish thieves of direction, that there is something a very important thing that can be described as a common cause, because we need to support older writers, the needy need to support

the young, we need to generally help writers. in as a result, we managed to create some kind of over structure. uh, each individual organization, where they entered , remained independently included all the largest soviet organizations for the following writers of the ussr and in. the creative council of the association included , uh, wonderful writers who do not fully identify themselves with any union. this also needs to be understood, this is great, because this is not a bureaucratic, but a living thing and a real writer. in a certain sense , a loner and we have writers of different generational worldviews. but there is something what can be done for them is the trips of writers around the country throughout russia, these are workshops for new writers. that said, it's a creative residence. that is, a lady of creativity, when a writer can say, i would like to live here and write, breathe

this far eastern air there, take a walk to write. and this is support for thick magazines. this is support for national literature and translations. and now we will have trips of writers to book fairs in the cis, which is also very important and great. in general, dialogue is important culture, it is very important to set up and establish this communication. hmm well, children's centers, by the way, they called the koroleva artery, what happens in literature? yes, and not well, and i would like to say separately that simply and critics the center of the aspiring association of the writer of russia is the house of the growths, the legendary house of the growths. uh, in moscow, the street was somewhere in the street. uh, all sorts of literary meetings are open and free for everyone, and that's it. this. i think it is an important and noble task. well, here we are, dear, our viewers

went through such a very wide circle, because that no one will be visiting sergei shagunov , and sergei shergunov, we also talked about how a writer can and should write about personal will, about what he perceives in his creative solitude, and ended the conversation about a writer who is organized process literary makes. eh , all this is very much for others. and sergey shergunov and i with dark pleasure, i thank you sergey alexandrovich for this conversation and i am sure that we will meet with you more than once. thank you very much for your support. so our dear viewers. it was a literary podcast. uh, dmitry baka podcast is called. let them not speak. let them read today's issue. we spoke with the wonderful writer sergei

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