let me understand that for uh, you can talk about sasha for a long time about how wonderful he is, unique, inimitable beloved well, in order to understand him, thank god they have a lot of pictures and wonderful pictures. to be honest, i think that the best sasha's paintings, this painting by mark zakharov, is kill the dragon. it `s naturally. ordinary miracle. this is the same munchausen , look, for which women fell in love with sasha , understandably, but he was for which i could never understand this. why falls in love with him not with me, but was. look, ah. well, he's handsome. well sasha was loved. i have a feeling that all this disgusting vile yellow press fell in love with him, which poisoned him and sasha reacted to it like that, but they are their own filthy. this is how they earned bread, tell me, did it exist?

this or loaded, so he was over it and since you touched on the topic , the fact is that sasha and i still got into fights very often, because he didn’t like it when they interfere in his personal life and it was a couple of sashkin’s birthdays. i even now remember one of them was in the cd or he asked to they didn’t let anyone in, there were no iphones then , and there were various journalists. these are correspondents. still tracked and photographed. and we went out and they started filming on the street. yes, yes, and sasha snatched this camera from someone and smashed it on the asphalt. eh, it was like that. well, maybe a three-minute fight, in which i also participated, of course, then there were statements. we were summoned to the police, they opened a case, but of course we won the case. do you know why? because the investigators all adored sasha. they sympathized with me and understood that we were right. and it was also

such a period when hmm he was not sick yet. no , it's not, uh, i haven't been sick yet. sasha, on the other hand, all this happened very quickly, almost at lightning speed, that moment when it became clear that he was ill, but do you remember when on the set of garin in astrakhan and there it happened to his stomach, thank god everything ended well for him? they brought it to moscow later . it turned out that it was, but in a completely different zone. i'm there ecology, and then everything is instantaneous. i almost went to him. if not every other day . i remember that he understood rubles, but yura buziashvili was lying down, and i arrived, er, on december 31 or 30. and in the yard he put a victory. i have the same victory because, but sasha did not see her. i drove into the yard and went up to him. he saw

the victory, and, of course, he couldn’t leave the hospital either, and he still went to his mother’s dacha. e to his family to his brother, and after a day and a half he was gone. he understood what was happening to him. i always had a feeling when i saw him, i had a feeling of confidence, even he was so optimistic and so much i believed in this fight and that he would win, and somehow we all believed. this is again a unique quality in an actor . you can't tell the truth. well, maybe because of the increased emotionality and, uh, well, i have to tell you that disassemble spoke. i remember how it didn't. i love his brilliant actor yevgeny aleksandrovich evstigneeva because he had an operation. she was not very difficult, not unique, but, and he had an operation in london, and he knew and he was gone only because he said that

there is a chance you won't wake up. yes, you can’t, you have to lie to the last. maybe, maybe, but in russia, as far as i know, to this day, it’s like a medical one. no previously, they did not say in europe you think you need to be honest. laziness tell me please, well, i know everything about women myself. as dirt did not stick to him, there was never among women, well , as it were, give you luck with you, yes, well , you're lucky, you know? do you know why he moved through life at such a speed that she did not have time, sticking she flew away, you know more that we were talking. uh, sasha, in general, had a different personal life and

family life. we all know this. i'm not in the sense that i want to talk about it, but, but there is ksyushka, his daughter, whom he raised wonderful, and his and zhenechka, that's how old sashka was. uh, the woman was, in my opinion, either nine months, when sash did not, that is, he was the happiest person. it was something absolutely his copy. laziness, yes, yes , absolutely just a copy of it. here, well, can you imagine, yes, and in this i was already not i know, i always have, of course, some. i hope the audience will understand me correctly. i always have some claims to god. you see, he somehow chooses. those who may have to live the longest in order to teach us the joy of life and faith uh in happy tomorrows i can't imagine uh. well, now, i can’t imagine sasha being eighty years old, but that

would be just some kind of mockery. you know , when uh, well now uh, hmm i don't like it, but, unfortunately, we started with the fact that all friends are all ex-lovers and loved. he only comes to their series with pleasure and talks about it. well, we know the truth, yes, whom he loved, no one talks about him with irritation, even hmm alferova e and his adored wife. she smiles all the time. they let him go with some kind of warmth out of some kind of love. yes, moving apart yours and behavior through life, this is the desire to do everything, but he still didn’t develop a relationship, i mean, now his personal life. you all loved him anyway , you couldn't forgive him much, but you loved him anyway, and, uh, not with her.

stayed on time. he, damn it, was lying to friends at work. this is uh, i'm saying this now in order to justify you. it really was like that and she knew what she was doing, that she didn’t know anything. uh. he fell in love with irka after walking, helped them and conquered her. and i witnessed all this to my it was wonderful happy beautiful. it was the most beautiful married couple. yes, julia is wonderful, who, uh , took care of him until the last day, and we are all close friends, we are infinitely grateful, she is incredible in this sense, and i want to say that when i was going to visit you today. and yulka, a year after sasha left, she sorted everything out there at home. in short, she gave me sasha for a watch, and

today i even wear a sashkin strap in this watch . so i always wear this watch in the month of may. although i have others and i began to think more often about, we are always we are all atheists no but i mean, like, uh, i still have over the years. i think we don't see them, but they see us. here, i think it's different. and if somehow otherwise, then there is a chance. be a bad person. and if you believe in it, then you need to be normal good, remember some very present. well, they serve it to themselves, only gave it to me, because it gave you something that you still keep, for example, or you were surprised. so how is this story with condensed milk? here's what surprised you. so you will remember until the last uh second of your life. our life. after all, sasha can

be 36 years old and every day of communication with him or life with him. it has always been a surprise. this was every day. uh, this is the case when i can’t isolate something like that. he so wanted me from the first among. our company was a zhiguli that is, i had a zhiguli 76 years old. i just finished and considered the richest. well, so we knew, it's rather self-savvy. no, it's the richest. well, listen, you had television, then in the nineties. you led such on television the most trump cards and we understood. this dress before the house was simply visible, when i saw you in the best hotels in the best restaurants. me it the man was driven. and you yourself walked, you understand? therefore, yes, and what, sorry interrupted, i had a zhiguli and sasha also dreamed of a zhiguli and finally. we, uh, at the same time, all this was on cards , for some reason i had a zhiguli because the war veteran gave me the card, the accompanist. she is with him again, who

accompanied us in shchukin. ah, schools. i, uh, loved my students, and together we went to varshavka. and so, and we drove only on my zhiguli, uh, for quite a long time, a year and a half, and sasha a year. that was the time when you could stop directly from the wto restaurant and did not have to remove the wipers. do you remember how the wipers did not remove these brushes, then there were no cameras, can you imagine and nothing later, when the car began to steal more. this is all. eh, finally. he bought a car, he drove badly, but rather, how to say? e that's how he often hit the car, slowed him down the wrong way. i was chasing. that's when everyone already rides on spikes, and that's it. even on summer tires and so on and so on and so on. it was generally in what is in your life. and this is love, friendship happened. i, for one, envy you. i think that everyone who watches the podcast now,

the letters envy you. i think that this is natural, and i want to wish everyone seldom always to watch sasha's films. he is absolutely a provocateur of life, he provokes joy for happiness and , of course, uh, we must remember our third incredible friend - you see ivanov viktor petrovich, our most important and stuntman. here we were such a trinity, there was still vitya. see you can't. you see, do not remember, or rather remember nothing. he is alive and well. he is ours too. we same all one year, i congratulate you on sashkin's anniversary. thank you. thanks to channel one for remembering this today, and those who love sasha, and they are probably grateful to us that we are talking about him, yes, and those who did not know sasha, maybe this provokes them to get to know him . i mean young. thank you

very much. that's just huge. thank you my dear. this is a podcast of letters. my guest is the wonderful leonid yarmolnik, and we talked about alexander abdulov, who would have turned 70 on may 29. this is a podcast triggers and tatyana krasnovskaya, a psychologist, a psychotherapist and a psychologist, a psychotherapist sergey, are with you . today we have anna hello. hello anna tell us how you came to us a few months ago. i was diagnosed with severe depression. ugh me too. well, yes, it's been a few months. i still cannot accept the fact of having this diagnosis and, accordingly, those moments when

it would seem necessary to provide myself with some kind of self-support. well, this is out of the question each time it seems to get worse and worse. yes, i beat myself up all the time. and well, as if it’s not from myself that you are going to gather now, it seems, well, there is not enough strength for some elementary actions. every time they scold themselves from this lazy one. yes, what kind of depression do you have, what is it that has gone crazy there? and something doesn't work at all. how old are you, 21, and who diagnosed you with a psychiatrist. in the meantime, have you been tested? yes , hormones, so you've been diagnosed. based on, including your physiological state of physiological state. all in all it's just great. wait in case of severe depression. ah, or there asthenic syndrome. there should be indicators of your hormonal failures. this is what your picture of diagnostic

hormonal collections looks like, as far as i know, there were some kind of mri, all these brain studies. there may have been some shifts there, but they explained it to me, but i don’t really understand, in this you were prescribed antidepressants, they didn’t prescribe antidepressants, but at some point i stopped drinking, so, because it gets worse and worse. well, that is, there are constantly leaves and, in general, some kind of side effects, and well, as it were, to go, for example, to a new psychiatrist, because, well, it happens that, well, it doesn’t fit, it is advisable to change the doctor. and, well, i already lack moral strength, like, i'm not ready again, uh, to sleep for days. i'm not ready there again, well, as if there are basic forces now. yes , i came here to go somewhere, go somewhere, and and as if i'm not ready, probably, to return. here in

the very beginning, when it was 10 times worse, that is, now i can at least get up to wash my hair from this series, and you came to a psychiatrist at a time when you couldn’t even wash your head no, well, i probably came, let's say a little earlier. so, that is, when i was just basic sleeping and sleeping a lot 24/7. it’s just that in general, i came to work and work in the office, and i could make myself coffee and hold a mug and just like that, you yourself made such a decision yourself. well, i have a young man insisted saying that there would be a person. yes, sucks it with depression work? you have a young man, as it were, well, as it would seem, yes, i am, therefore, i am also convinced of myself that i held on to the fullest. but where does depression come from, if you have a temporarily young person to work, that is, how would you have the strength to do all this? ugh good. and here you are. a psychiatrist who corresponds to you as children you have severe

depression, a depressive disorder, remember exactly how it is, severe depression. yes , they explained. that's when your mri's checked did all your tests. some gave you at least some explanation of the mechanics of your disease, because, well, the word is severe . depression is probably not quite a diagnostic concept. but if you have been diagnosed with a depressive disorder, let's say you have a severe form of clinical depression, including this, it could be something like this. well , they somehow explained how it doesn’t work for you here, it doesn’t work here. and here it is being processed. somehow you figured it out. well, it's not clear. yes, it is precisely in terms of some physiological processes that there is not much. we are there uh, plus or minus could be discussed. yeah, uh, exactly what kind of external magnetic factors lead to this in 90%, it's like i don't have severe depression. i just have, well, winter apathy. it started spring got worse. i kind of hoped that this spring it would be easier for your parents to accept. some part of your treatment.

oh, they don’t know at all, well, because, as if dad weren’t up to it in general , and my mother, well, such a person is very difficult, how would i tell her once again and make sure that, well, those phrases that i to herself i say that what kind of depression you have for one year, that you are a complete fool uh-huh well, why hear this? again, i can say this to myself, she, most likely, will react this way somehow , the manifestation does not meet at all. but it happens there in the format in the evening in the format in the morning and that's it. like, well, i mean, you live together. yes, you live with your parents, yes, with your mother and living with your mother you manage to do. so she doesn’t even know what that is, you just attribute it to a bad mood. what how how it should be practically, well, or if so,

she asks something. i say that, well, just what are you, everything is fine? yes, always, probably, and dad, too, was always not up to you, apparently. no. it seems to me that dad e was always before me, and then, when more children were born to him, well, there, as if it were not that he stopped loving me, parents in divorce, parents just appeared. well, it seems logical that the focus of attention has also shifted a little. and, as it were, it's understandable. well , why load him with some other problems, given that well, most likely, he too conservative views. and well, he won’t appreciate this, my diagnosis. and how long have you been living separately with your dad at 3 years old, in my opinion, divorced. yes, tell anya, i will ask such an unexpected question, maybe for you. and at what age did you first encounter such a stable, perhaps feeling that no one loves you. i don’t remember, you know it, as if

it’s always a reference that goes through life, probably 100% i knew it all. uh, a year ago, a little less than a year ago, when i, uh, also at the doctor's office, and she asked me, well, about family affairs. here i am i say, well, dad loves me so much in general, he, but we don’t see each other, no matter how he calls me. well, i know that she loves me the most, and she looks at me like that and says. well, what makes you think that he loves you at all? i look into it like that and think, damn it, really. this, probably, was such a moment when i, well , accepted it, it was like, well, i heard it. yes, i probably accepted that's just the point, they heard, perhaps they encountered this reality, perhaps. well , there are some, let's say, moments

that show that, well, he loves me there dad mom, well, just in their own way, of course, they love in their own way, of course, they love, but not at all the way you wanted, of course, we will deal with them now, but look here is an important point in that that 21 years, in general, it would already be possible to live without their love. yes, what does not admit, it is like a fact and flutter, in fact, from this nest. well , until you asked, i actually was sure that, well, as if i had accepted this moment a long time ago. why did i suggest that perhaps this will be unexpected for you? question i started to think about it quite early, and in general. it seems to me that somehow i stopped relying on my parents a very long time ago. in general, i stopped expecting some kind of support from them, some kind of a love, and well, it’s like there’s no

such thing that i hmm constantly think about it, that i constantly miss you all the time. no, she's just 21. it would seem that the period when you would have to lean on, and even break away from all this, but there is, as if a part of you that leaves you at one time in this nest in anticipation of what they should still, well, come to your senses and finally show up in your life. it seems to me that, well, they hardly do it. yes , not 21 years old, in general, they didn’t do it much. something they just can't do. they just don’t know how, that is, you’re right, they love, because they consider it possible, because they think it’s true, at some point when they got divorced, they might not be up to you at all, most likely, and this feeling of loneliness feeling of deep dissatisfaction. it is just the same, and it gives birth, then the very depression. now, if we

try to understand the etymology words. do you already understand, yes, what depression is suppression? that is, there is the word press. yes, accordingly, it depresses, it presses, but it is very important here that you suppress inside, because if we are not talking about medical depression. i assume that if you had medical clinical indications for what is called clinical depression, you would at least have a clinic that is not in pink. that's why i suspect. something that the doctor called severe depression, but can we write it off as the fact that it is such a psychological depression , some kind of depressive disorder. yes, and then we can say that you are suppressing something inside yourself. this is what anya is like and what feelings that generally suppresses nothing inside there. what will happen if suddenly tomorrow you wake up as an absolutely happy person, what will change, what will collapse, because

you don’t like your work. probably, this feeling did not communicate with her at all. i cross out the feeling at which you turn around and leave . how do you say everyone. that is, you suppress this same anya who may not go to work tomorrow, stop communicating with her loved ones and everything that does this, i don’t know, is there to enjoy the company of your young man. but there are some external 100%, but these external circumstances, they really can be problems in realizing it, but you decided to suppress it yourself , as if if it would not be suppressed, it would be even worse, otherwise, that i would like to kill tatyana now, yes, it is possible to imagine this

reality. yes, but at the same time with everything, but at i have a desire to kill her one version of the feelings that i experience the moment, and the other option is that i sit and suppress this feeling, then, well, now at least. i would look inadequate. i would have no interest in your conversation, because everything i did. i would sit accordingly and crush myself with this feeling at the end of the program. i would definitely bring myself to depression. because then you'd overwhelm with this layer of nothing, what do you call it? i don't feel anything, i don't have anything. this one here, the very state that is above this press, and under press your desire to make a drastic action desire to get away from the page push away. it ’s just that it’s all the same within the framework of some everyday circumstances, yes, but i can’t do it so abruptly. i would like, and why and what are your everyday circumstances, let's say, yes, there, to move out, er, and somehow

separate from your parents as much as possible. it, well, needs a little more capital. e. well, that's elementary. yes, it does not allow you to earn this capital. i still don’t understand at all why capital is needed, what to move out from my parents to rent an apartment, you can rent a room there, you can live in general. and, well, there are options, actually there are or and often it seems that they are too expensive. this is not always the case, but i don’t know how the world is arranged in your picture, because, well, there i have been living in a hostel since i was 17 years old. so , too, you can enter the institute on a budget with a hostel, even so you can at 21:00. yes, and later you can, that is, there are options, but you seem to see only one picture, that you are moving out from your mother to a rented apartment now, as far as i know, very it’s popular to rent an apartment with uh somehow expand it into a trinity, as it is now, that is , you can also have a huge number

of accounts or some now called publics where people offer it. so, too , it may not be quite customary to be true. well then, as much as possible there is not at all such a lot of money for this. it’s just that then you seem to leave from there, leaving everything as it is, nothing will change there, but this part that expects that something will change before. here she is depressed your responsibility, and in fact your desires. it's just so weird. well, as if it had been clear for a very long time that nothing would change. so it won't change. this does not mean at all that our offended part will not wait for it to change. you know , children often have such thoughts. here i will die. and you all pay even it will probably change from more likely to change if you don't wait. these are the ones i don't expect. well, of course, an adult thanks to

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tinkoff he is such one this is a podcast triggers and with you it leading psychologist tatyana krasnovskaya, and we are talking with anya about how to overcome depression at 21. what are you working as a secretary let's say so well, you work as a secretary. this is hardly your dream job, judging by the way you said, and who would you be wanted to work? the normal state of the third year and the third year at this age well, because you process so much

depressive literature information that cannot plunge you into this state. in general, if you read psychological literature, it is easy to come to the conclusion that life is a continuous pain. just like classical literature . so good. you would like to work as a psychologist. and now you are working with the secretary. we would like to work with a psychologist, apparently, you cannot work with psychologists yet. naturally. yeah, you are in absentia in absentia. that is. in general, do you have time for work? why don't you work? well, the other area, i don't know now a huge number of options, but there is a very long history. why am i working at this job at all and there, again, the plot is normal, i understood that. and if you say that you don’t care about some kind of story, you even go to work, because your mother said. obviously they work well. you can change, judging by the way you say what you say, your salary is not such that you love to hold on to it. it's already understood

of course mom. the salary there is not the same for which you keep here. well, it’s obvious that, well , suppose you develop them from rubles. yes, exactly the same x rubles earned elsewhere will bring you more pleasure than this first one here. what needs to be dealt with. i thought about it a lot last year as well. and i almost quit, but in general, something went wrong. what, i was really scared? of course this is normal. well, some kind of unknown here, it is very scary. and as it were, well, it is logical, what is needed take this step, because in itself nothing will change, but somehow a lot of fears. yeah, i understand correctly that working in this company or working somewhere there, as if some kind of condition of your mother, that in this case she pays for your education. no, i pay for tuition. i'll pay for everything. why are you working there? what for? well, because. again, she

put in a lot of effort, let's say, to put me in this job. and if i plan on quitting with her, uh, then uh. i need to quickly pack my things, so move out. and how would you have to, apparently , do it, because it is obvious that after this program your employer will look at him, and your mother too. and it is unlikely that you will stay there to work. here, and at the same time with everything in this uh company, where you work is also impossible to make a career, well, there is no psychologist. no psychologist. you can stand there as a director, for example, i am gradually learning psychology, as if at some point the fuse with which i came there, because well , before that i worked there in catering in sales , let's call it natural, there, well , there was another fuse. and here i sort of sat down like that, and in a few months i, well, how

would i sit here. it turned out to be very comfortable . well, then there was not even a state. it's quietly , quietly, how tina clouds the house. everything is very clear, and it became depressing at work. everything is very understandable, depressing. well, look, you are slowly slowly, as if tightening this tina over yourself. and your young man, how is your relationship with him? in general, everything is fine. well support. just. and also because he studies. yes, there is no super-profitable work there, but there is no way to take everything and leave abruptly. this is probably the only area that still pleases, then there is definitely no need for depressant claims. because it will go out, so i'm here, well, i don't want your depression somehow imposes, but an imprint on

your relationship with your young. well, very often there is a fear that if it’s bad with me, there will always be a person with whom it’s good or easy, and then what do you do when such a thought appears nothing. usually i provoke some kind of quarrel. well, that is , slowly destroy the relationship. yes, great. you are well done. you excel on all fronts. yes, look in order to grab the next branch. you need to let go of this in order to open another door, you need to close this one, as you like any metaphor. yeah, but you're going to have to sort of leave the whole place that you're in. it's like it squeezes you out. this is the same thing, when it is time for a child to be born, he is faced with the fact that the whole body of the mother, which before that moment was its carrier -feeder shell. there, i don't know love. yes, suddenly

, at one fine moment, he begins to reject him, and this is a severe injury. for the one who is to be born and the child at this moment goes through the most difficult paths. we will never have to go through the most difficult trials of anything more difficult in life. if you do not believe in the next life after death and the child passes it, that is, nature has laid down that he is able to survive this emotionally and mentally. yes, a child is born in shock, because only shock allows them to to do this you will do exactly the same thing. if you are fired now from all these circumstances, you will be fired from your job. after our transfer, your mother will kick you out and you will find yourself with a knapsack, and on the street near the kazansky railway station, where you will need to spend one or two nights, at least in order to gather your thoughts in this, yes, then you are then at the pinnacle of success. look, lord, how did i live it, like any person who achieves success, but you are just a child who does not know that he is

a couple to be born. and here now you understand after all, you seem to be cheering right now, yes. and if you know how, uh, what a caterpillar, it starts to pupate. for a caterpillar, pupation is death, so not a single caterpillar is aware that it will be born as a butterfly ; it is a full-fledged living organism that consciously goes to this death for the subsequent metamorphosis metamorphosis is the transformation of one into another. if at all, in principle, you see some anya who is able to be happy. why did i say what would happen if you were happy today today? but what if and in general there are at least fantasies some anya who is capable of this happiness women's happiness, professional happiness, personal happiness. yes, then in order for it to happen there, here must, how do you say it's a caterpillar? you understand this moment. he is here, but there will be no rebirth , this morphosis will not happen to me if you do not

take this step. this step is growing up and 21 years old, this is exactly the same age. and the feeling, just like at some point, if earlier, but i understood that i was real. well, it seems i can do something, but there is a feeling that i am nothing at all i can’t, because i can’t imagine anything at all, and well, on the whole, i’m sitting, in general, no one knows how to do anything. and where will i go. and what am i going to do. an you live with the feeling that no one needs you and no one will pull you out of this depression, no one will come after you and save you. you can stay there you know how it ends. how will you feel slowly slowly sergey has now painted a picture of how everything will gradually die off. you can stay there, but

look ah. is it possible to have a conversation at all? there are three with dad and mom, it’s just impossible they don’t communicate. yeah, maybe your conversation with your mom is yours with your dad separately. and where you would be able to convey to them and describe to them your condition is also impossible. they won't listen, and they won't agree to support you, for example, for the year that you live. uh, well, some life situations show that you don’t have to rely on them , there are some people in your life. maybe neighbors, maybe some of your friends who need help more than you alone. acquaintance. old. perhaps the old sense of the elderly or the old sense, you know for a long time she needs a psychological excellent. well

, where you live there are some, but women, grandparents, grandparents, who look at least lonely. i don't even know, i don't pay attention. you try to pay attention. that's when you go to work from work. yes, look, you may see a few people around you who need help more than you. depression is also dangerous because at this moment your ego very captivating and holds attention to itself. i say, as the future and one of the elements through which we can get out of this depression, and in order to understand , hippocrates treated depression with warm enemas, so that it was clear how this was treated before. yes, where did your parents get such a knee-deep attitude that that’s all nonsense and fiction so one of the elements that will be very useful to you now is to turn your attention and see people who need help more than.