great. well, where do you live live any? well, the women of the grandmothers are the old men of the grandfathers, who look at least lonely. i don't even know, i don't pay attention. you try to pay attention. that's when you go to work from work. yes, look, you may see a few people around you who need help more than you. depression is also dangerous because at this moment your ego is very strong, a captures and holds attention to itself. i tell you how the future and one of the elements through which we can get out of this depression, and so that you understand, and hippocrates treated depression with warm enemas, that is, well, to make it clear how this was treated before yes, where did your parents get such a generational attitude, that it was all nonsense and fiction, so here is one of the elements that you now it will be very useful to turn your attention and see people who need help more than expected.

because if we look now, well , you see what the situation is around how many people need help today, because that they were homeless. without close relatives there. well, and so on. yes, if at that moment you see that they need help, and you are actually a carton of milk. you can change a lot. just in the evening, bringing a carton of milk from an old woman, then a kilogram of potatoes of bread. no matter what, yes, then through this, you will, as it were, find for yourself, and the very thread through which you will begin to crawl out, because today it seems to us, when we fall into this depression, that i have problems, but from the point of view a huge number of people. you infuriate fat. how do you understand? do you have a job that is someone's dream job? you have blood, which is for someone's dream home, right? you have a mother, and for those who suddenly lost her, this problem is more than something that you have a young man. you learn to understand, but i absolutely.

kassa agrees with you that when we enter this state of depression, yes, then we look at everything that we look at, we will see it in a depressive light and getting through it always helps a lot through helping other people. try to watch it won't, well, cost you a lot, but you'll find meaning, because again from the point of view of the humanistic psychology that you will be going through. you will see that a semantic crises. yes, that is, which are with loss of meaning. they just introduce us to a state of depression, and that's where the personality begins. just like falling asleep. you need to wake up wake up. this requires new meaning. find people who need help more than you think it is depreciation, or something, the story in no case do we understand that the truth is hard really hard to live in this feeling of loneliness in this feeling of not being needed, but this is the idea

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people. you are learning a lot. at least it helped her. i'm sure it will help you, and once this one helped me find that same job in the environment to be close to bring. i don’t know, tea, as if i’m saying, but to be where people realize this dream in general or the life of your dreams. and cool is like a sought-after good specialist with a lot of knowledge. here you should already be in a fifty-fifty house, or an apartment dog husband, well, that's all. freedom freedom in some actions freedom in self-expression you work pleasantly in your specialty, conduct

receptions, sometimes trainings. i have some kind of super cool cozy office, and i lead, mostly full-time. when do you have it on tv? what are you talking about about how to get out of depression? great why not? a great idea on how to get out of depression, start right today start keeping a diary and write down life hacks, how does it work for you, where there are failures will not be the same, yes, if you feel relatively speaking like this a cool psychologist who helps people get out of depression, then how can you help them. if you yourself were in this depression, you would never

have entered. so you consciously entered me further, your task, conscious to get out of it. it's like going into a dark room. if we had more time, if we had more such a psychoanalytic session, then i would, of course, suggest that you go through your mother's salon, yes, which you reject. well , you will deal with this in psychoanalytic sessions when you go to a psychoanalyst. it is too part of work. but if we are talking, for example, about getting out of depression, then this is what i told you, it will be right steps for you right now, then you can say that you yourself came up with it, but you don’t refer to me, and you are drivers of people out of depression but you 'll see, but it's been working for years. it works for millennia, when there was no such thing as depression book. are you on the first page of the title page? i think that you write what i understood, in fact. why did i have this depression? i hope, yes, you can start this book today. you can write that first page today by asking yourself this question. why why?

i needed this depression, if you see how many people you end up helping, that people will probably be republishing your book in order to deal with this depression, like specifically one that allows you to write books. that's right, it's true, it worked out. look, first of all, i definitely want to recommend one book to you. although you should have already removed the collision. this is viktor frankl. yes concentration camp psychologist say life, yes, yes, i heard, but right now you are starting to read, and the second book, which will be of interest to you as a specialist. this work is called work. and this is just a woman who showed herself. not being a psychologist , i found myself on the floor in the clinic. e with depressive disorder. when it was already turned away from me, everyone else could no longer live with her. and this book is about how she got out of this depression. yes ok

thanks. tell us what you are leaving with motivation to start something with some kind of fuse change. why to be happy? let's sum it up again, so to speak, the result is not to change something, but look around and see who you are around you, it can help more than you, the first thing to do is to divert the focus of your attention to yourself. start serving people with little things, little things, and you'll be blown away by how many are many. you can do it even if you are a believer, for example, you can just go to church every saturday to pray for other people, and that too it will be very much for you it will bring meanings. now he's 21, it makes no sense, and he doesn't exist, if you didn't create him, okay? write down these steps. start

doing it right. it is very useful. thank you thank you. well, it was a trigger podcast, and you and i were its leading psychologist and psychotherapist, tatyana krasnovskaya and a psychologist and psychotherapist. sergey on himself. our guest was anya , a young beautiful girl with whom we talked about depression. good day, dear viewers. i dmitry bug invite you to the next release of a literary podcast. let them not

speak. let them read. we pronounce this slogan very often and we want all of you to read with pleasure, whatever e-books are papyri and parchments, and real books are manuscripts. this is a very important process of reading. we almost never read on the air, but we speak so that you begin to read. today we have a wonderful guest - this is dmitry danilov, hello, dmitry , hello, danilov is a writer, playwright, poet. and you know, when i asked before the broadcast dmitry how better to introduce you, then, uh dmitry said, well, a poet, you can write a playwright. it doesn’t seem to matter, in fact it doesn’t matter in which implaves to represent or anyway. it is somehow essential for you all these roles. they are the same to me, meaningful uh-huh. here are all three words . well, one way or another they denote what i

do, so it will probably be right to produce all three. it is very important for me to note that you, well, how would you react with such indifference to the entertainment of these three hypostases three genres. it seems to me that there is some great sense in this, because it rarely happens that a person, firstly, writes dramas. well, plays and prose, and secondly, well, they are so united in goals that even sometimes you don’t immediately understand? that you are reading a poem by danilov and either a story or a novel is all some kind of single tone. is this true or is this my false impression. it's hard for me to judge. this is what happens, probably, partly so on the other hand. still, for me it's on different types of statements. and so they began to add to me. e to force. here need for some other type of utterance. i started with prose, then, already in

adulthood, it was added first, well, poetry in the elements, and then others, there is just some kind of really. i, i repeat, some need for a different type of statement appears and i feel it and begin to do something, the content is still more or less not the same, but the same, even if you look at our conversation from the outside. look, i'm waving my arms. i’m somehow intoning your voice there, it won’t work, because you are dmitry danilov, because you the person is stressed is reserved. here, if a wonderful phrase, e in roma sasha hello, with which we will say in detail that there one of the heroes performed an action that is usually denoted by the word swim something like that. yes, there is such restraint in this, such a lack of emphases of pathetic gestures in order for a restrained

person, but in general. yes, and you can say that your method is hmm provocative let's say you may not like it, but such a cold sober fixation of what is happening, not that the chest is wide open. and hmm, do not do this, as it often happens in russian literature. no, well, don't do that. so i refrain in every possible way. it seems to me from literature. she should not and cannot teach at all in our time. she lost this function long ago, although it used to be, therefore, in principle, yes, some yes, she is restrained. well, probably i belong. well, of course, to a greater extent. now, if how, as you said , such a coldish observation is to a greater extent, still juicy prose hmm and in verse there, if i can allow some rather strong emotion of such an element. it's more a much more spontaneous way of speaking.

it's something, it can be some kind of one-time emotion. this is some kind of random image that has arisen. this is something that somehow breaks out, and the poses are long long text, they are long, usually my poems are almost all long. yes, but, nevertheless, it's all the same to me, despite the fact that this is a long overreach. for me, they are like that, not segments from a point, something like that. that is something one-time splash. like some well ordinary some kind of emotion, and prose is something much more thoughtfully, something built to do something for a long time. also, all this takes a long time , even here some writings are written quickly. you can sometimes write in a couple of days. but all the same, this is some kind of lengthy work, and poetry is not work at all. it's just a one-time outburst of some kind of emotion. well, this is a man, probably, wave your hand, but it looks so often in prose. e what is done completely

unpretentiously or in a. well, it's not that this work is not felt, but this is such a case when numerator denominator. as if subjected to mutual reduction and as a result such a transcript. such a very calm rhythm, but if i were danilov and wanted to describe, uh, our meeting with you, then, i would say that on the table were, uh, two small books and one larger, several pieces of paper, one interlocutor waved his arms, and the other nods his head and smiles. well, something in it , what does it mean, i would ask, if i had already turned into a reader and very often a reader. in my mind, which will become familiar with books. just dmitry danilov asks, just accustomed to russian literature, as such, what is it? you said a thing with which i partly agree, that the time for teaching unconditionally has passed, but very many of them are

still hungry. yes, what to do with it? i think that there is a lot of literature of all kinds, and those people who are from literature. ah, they are hungry, like some kind of teachings of recipes of recipes, they just find this, as before, many writers, they really want to, mmm. to shepherd the peoples to teach the masses something to call somehow high ideal. well, just such readers will find in such writers, and they will merge in ecstasy. and it seems to me that everything was pretty dmitry. these are some not mine. so i didn’t understand the readers, but i provoked us a little, i’ll tell you. i often have a conversation, on the verge of provocation, with my wonderful guests. well , this is the same as the old time, they said realism. yes, well, i don't do what 's right, but i just do what i want, and next to it, there may be something wrong, but

everyone will find their own. well, such a solomon in the decision and you're right, and you're right alone. eh, i remember says, the interlocutor that the black black is different. he says black and white. well, you are right, and you will find. well, that is, nothing needs to be done so that more readers still want that literature where black is called black, and white is white. well, you just have to say that the truth is that what it seems to me that you are saying is a reality in general, it is really very ambiguous. it is very worth everything from halftones. and in general , there are undoubtedly things in our life that we can attribute alone, probably, nevertheless, to good from others to evil, but such things are not so a lot of. here is the bulk of reality, these are different tones very often. well, as a wish for good. eh,

a person who is drawn to evil often leads to evil by accident. suddenly , just quoting does good. this is a part of that force that desires evil , does good from now on, or something like that there in one and the same phenomenon. we can find both something that gravitates towards good , and something like it’s difficult to find to purify the good , is it necessary to increase its degree, is it necessary to increase its consistency, is it necessary to give some criteria or magic glass in order for good to exist there is no difference from evil, and i would say so we started talking, we immediately approved it right away. and a few surprises. yes wow. it seems to me that in particular a lot of evil is going on. it is precisely from this desire of people to directly and rigidly separate the good from evil, right here to draw a line of demarcation, that this is to declare something, take some phenomenon, declare it some kind of absolute good and start for

it. well, what is called, as they say now there to drown? yes, but to declare something on the contrary absolutely black hacking chat logic. how many two and two? and the answer is stupid. well, yes, yes, that is, and here it is, uh, there is such a desire, such a rigid dualism , such a consciousness that there is, on the one hand, absolutely good, on the other hand, absolutely evil and necessary here are all the objects of the world and people all of them must now be placed on these two sides and feel. there is a lot of evil in the warrior of light, from this i will sharpen your thoughts. yes, there is a lot of evil from the fact that good is overemphasized, but this is approximately what ivan karamazov has in the legend. about the grand inquisitor. yes? uh, probably yes, because in the thoughts of ivan karamazov. this text is not written, as if i remember. it's the devil,

reads ivan karamazov's awareness in his brain. well, there this great inquisitor says to christ yes your teachings are true. this is the first point, the second. you can not cope with its introduction into life, the third go away. i know better how to implement your teaching to force. well, how would that be the logic. yes, even what is considered good, justly becomes evil. well here's something close to it. there is another expression i don't remember. what, what is terrible. here is the foam of rage, on the lips, of an angel. yes, yes, yes. they fight for good with such fury that you can’t shit your bones, then , well, i mean this, a great tomorrow after the program time can be a different mechanism for the development

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to build our conversation in a completely different way. i was going to talk about your literary past. it is interesting and curious. you were part of various literary communities such semi-underground famous oh crazy crazy is a difficult, pronounceable phrase. everyone remembers him, who was already in literature in the eighties, but we started talking, otherwise, i think it ’s not without reason, because i wanted to continue it hmm with a conversation about your e book, which became one of the most discussed last year, if not the most talked about, it's a novel. hello sasha, he was crowned with the uh, yasnaya polyana literary prize. he was very close to winning the big book award. this is publicized. let's talk about this book. she is very small.

and someone told me that it is humane, well , that is, it is not fat, the story, as is often the case now, is not necessary, yes, and well, in general, everything is clear. well, not from the first page, but from the first ten pages. hello sasha. this is a strange name. maybe you will say briefly what this title means here, probably, now it is not necessary to tell the full content. those who have not read. let them, probably, get their well , either pleasure or disappointment. let them read. well, i'll just say this to create some intrigue, that sasha is not man, and there the main character's name is, well , seriously already, but sasha is some other entity, the plot plot is that the main character is a university teacher in some indefinite future. ah, they sentence him , they sentence him to death. yes

, for what we used to consider quite so, well , misdemeanors, but not a crime for having an affair with an underage student, of course , a minor, but in our adult age and according to a fictitious conditional law. this is the one that operates in that reality, there are 21 years of age, and 20 with twenty years girl. she seemed to be quite mature. here he is sentenced to death. and now the sentence must be carried out in very strange conditions for us in such a specific, very comfortable prison. and then the whole book is about how the main character. uh, living with that , the book is a huge percentage of dialogue. there are a lot of conversations there. the main characters talk with different people who surround him, first in ordinary life, then in this comfortable beautiful prison. and in these conversations, mm, we see

how he tries to live with this, this is the situation of a person who is executed in an unknown time, maybe today , maybe he will live all his life and die in his bed, please say, but in fact, how does this differ from the collisions that were in literature , well dozens of times, but the most obvious parallels. well, for example, the process of kafka's france , where certain languages ​​remind our viewers, who suddenly have not yet read franz kafka. they did it in vain, they think so in the novel of france, a certain language meets two people who say that he is sentenced to of death. we won’t say for what, when we will execute me , let’s say exactly, in a year they will execute him, but it’s absolutely the same conflict. eh, this is the most understandable kafka. that life goes on, they don’t put him in prison, they even let him go free, but he can no longer live in peace, because he misinterprets. why was i

actually executed? that is, uh, his life remains the same, but uh changes its model, so to speak, yes, the invitation is punished on the block’s last day of the sentenced execution, then uh, the famous scene from the novel of the idiot dostoevsky which also e tells about the last day of the execution. this is the emotion of a person who is facing a death sentence , it is not known when hmm he will be carried out , this sentence identifies his life with itself. after all, we are all condemned, right ? yes, we will die and how to live with it we ask. we don’t even need to talk about this novel for this, or is it still socially critical, or is it some kind of specific, if it is about this, then it has been written more than once, but there is nothing new here, or, uh, it’s not so all- what is it about here speech. well, first of all, i still should,

probably, at least mention. it's such a simple fact that, of course, the author should never answer questions. what are we talking about his book tolstoy says that if you don’t understand , what is karenina about, then re-read it again , yes, yes, everything is written there, and in fact, i should ask or what the dragon reader turned out to be. here, uh, i wrote some kind of framework like this. in general, i compare the construction of the plot with this with no. not even well, in general , for me it’s like such an empty pipeline such as it is complex. but fill it should be read or if it is a performance, that is, first the director, then the audience with their understanding. it seems to me that the author does not owe his idea. so, let 's move on. especially to promote them. it may not be here. at the end of the first part of our conversation, danilov tells baku that the readers of the tank should sort it out,

says the reader. understand read. i think that this is a preliminary conclusion of our conversation, the first part of it in the spirit dmitry danilov and now we have, as always in our podcast. e in the middle of the conversation , about in the middle. uh, insert rubric, and at this moment in these few minutes we are doing one of the three, or we are, uh, holding in our hands. uh, and uh, affectionately, smoothing an old book, either we read a poem and try to understand it, despite the fact that it seems to us to be smooth poems, or we read some phrase from the classics and try to refresh it too. well , today we are doing the first of the three named actions, namely yes, we are picking up, uh, two e books, but taken by me, as always, my own shelves. these are two editions of

nikolai stepanovich gumilyov's collection, by the way, nikolai stepanovich is quite a significant name for some of dmitry danilov's works. i don’t know if there is a hint here, it’s not a gulyov. and i 've read it. yes, that means there is, you see how danilov is a conversationalist. it's, uh, two editions. e books by nikolai stepanovich gumilyov, his team whom the fiery pillar at the end. p. they b. the pillar is such a biblical reading of these books, they are almost the same, they are wonderful in its tactile capacity. well, you see, they are glued by me lovingly. yes, but the important thing is that one is published in a new spelling, the other is the old spelling in this. the whole thing, one came out in berlin and the other in st. petersburg, and there is a very subtext, because here is the imprint of the st. petersburg edition. there is such an indication here, printed in the fifteenth

state printing house, the former printing house of goliki and vilborg, the past is emphasized before the revolutionary in august, 21 years. i think this uh clarification will tell us a lot, because it was, uh, in august, uh, 21 years old, nikolai gumilyov was shot and this book. eh, it cannot be called posthumous in the full sense, because it was prepared during the life of gumilyov, but it turned out. so this book was posthumous. and these are the two collections i have, and it is very important to understand that poetry can only be perceived as collections. i always say this to students in exactly the same composition of things as the author intended, and the book pillar of fire is a late one. unfortunately, the late billion, he would not be if he still lived, the prescribed years late gumilyov, crossing out so many standards of perception, we are used to thinking that

this is an ekméist - a poet who strives for accuracy and peace. no, it's not really. so this is poetry of a very high intensity. and now i will quickly read you one of my favorite poems from this particular collection. it is called the sixth sense, beautiful wine in love with us and good bread, that a woman sits in the oven for us, which is given to us at first exhausted to enjoy, but what should we do with a pink dawn over the cold heaven, where is silence and unearthly peace, what to do? with immortal verses we cannot eat, drink, kiss, the moment runs uncontrollably and we break our hands, but again we are condemned. go all the way past, like a game boy forgetting his own, sometimes watching the girl’s bathing and knowing nothing about

love everyone huddles with a mysterious desire, as once in the overgrown horsetails the creature roared from the consciousness of impotence, a slippery creature, sensing wings that had not yet appeared on its shoulders so century after century. is it soon that the lord under the scalpel of nature and art cries out our spirit, the flesh is exhausted giving birth to the organ for the sixth sense. here is such a great gumilyov, a collection of the fiery pillar, which is very correct to read, if not literally in antiquarian publications. well , at least in the composition as the author intended. so, a literary podcast is on the air, let them talk, let them read. i am dmitry bug talking with the poet, prose writer, playwright dmitry danilov. let's talk about dramaturgy, let's talk here, probably, maybe i

'm wrong, but still the most e, sounded to this moment of the work this man from podolsk yes, and i'll ask this question. uh, also not provocative, but banal why from podolsk what does it mean specifically, if we talk about ps a person from podolsk podolsk appeared there, uh, by chance it could be any other, the city of podolsk, uh, i just know well longer, because i am there for some time he lived not in podolsk itself, but in a small, very small village right here clinging to podolsk, the village of bykovo is such a bykov, but not where the airport used to be, yes. and this, by the way, would also be this. kovaya is also called by the inhabitants they call him bykovka, well, officially, but they are bykov well, they lived there with my wife. for some time, they simply returned to moscow, so i often visited podolsk, where my close friend lived. unfortunately,

a very good musician who died a few years ago. i often visited him in podolsk , i just visited him a lot of times, i know him well, so i somehow naturally chose podolsk if i knew better, lyubertsy and i would choose lyubertsy because it is podolsk that nothing has been deciphered , especially could be any other. but this is not kashira and metal is there, well, after all, yes, well, distant cities there are a little bit already there . here from podolsk there to go an hour train to kursk stretches. this strip does not reach kashira any more. i have also been there many times, and here in taldy. well, many times i had the beginning of dead souls. remember how there are two men arguing about whether the wheel is up or not? that will not reach kashira. yes, and this

it is important that it is somewhere close to moscow, that it is a suburb and this person has the same last name as sasha. i just recently noticed his last name. and by the way, frolov frolov yes, is it really news for you that i didn’t see it right away and remembered, really. yes, you know too, it's just taken from the ceiling, when for a long time i also had some frool stepanovich in my early stories. that is, is it possible to say that this is one great work of dmitry danilov well, what? yes, i just like it for some reason. this is just some to create some kind of common bridges between different texts. this is not something that needs to be unraveled somehow. do you understand? what's the score? what does it mean nothing? please, please, really. i have many characters and nikolai stepanovich, moreover, i have one text where there are three characters whose name is stepanych, this is ps seryozha is very

stupid. well, it doesn’t mean anything that it’s not important, that is, they could have called all three of them pyotr sergeevich, probably, they couldn’t and it’s impossible to imagine that one petrovich , yes, yes, because it’s not spanish. this. well, just, well, this is such a thing in one program, there was such a thing when the presenters spoke, as if behind the scenes, a replica. art i'll say behind the scenes. danilov does not hear me, but still, uh, hmm, it still means something, of course, no matter how much he spoke and once andrei tarkovsky gave an interview about the stalker and answering a question. what is the symbolism of the dog, he replied that i should be disappointed with you , the stalker dog, which means the dog said the dog, he is about the same conversation we have with you and he