so whose name is nikolai stepanovich, this is piekha seryozha, very stupid. well, it doesn’t mean anything that it’s not stepan, that is, and they could have called all three of them pyotr sergeevich , probably, they couldn’t and it’s impossible to imagine that one is called ivan petrovich , the other pyotr is still the same. yes, yes, what exactly a certain spaniard is. well, it's just, well, this is such a thing in one program was such a uh such a chip was when the presenter said, as if behind the scenes, a replica of the fall. i'll tell you behind the scenes. danilov does not hear me, but still, but hmm, it still means something, of course, no matter how much he would say and once andrei tarkovsky let's interview about the stalker. e, answering questions. what is the symbolism of the dog? he replied that i must disappoint you with the dog stalker and that means the dog to say such a conversation with you is terribly

important. and what kind of person is this? eh, already in the man of podolsk this very fraulov. there's some kind of absurd interrogation going on. and how is this hero himself, uh, hmm panov, or does he not perceive himself in a new way, that this situation is worse for him, because hello to roman sasha in the sense that, well, in life it changes and changes in no way to blame. well, with him on the other hand nothing special and they don’t do it there, they don’t sentence him to anything. well , what they have in common is that they feel themselves to be objects, and both things are an object on which something is produced. uh-huh in one case, this is the future of the death penalty, and it really is. he is her object, well, in the future, but unknown, and in the case of a person from podolsk, he is the object of some strange interrogation. he doesn't

understand. how what interrogation and for what purpose? tell me, after all, my e, pretentious soul, e, is hungry. e, we will use how to say e after all, but who fusses? what amazes me is that there is no subject. yes, no one says that they are the law you. well, there are jailers in the novel, they say no. everything is fine. wonderful. here, get comfortable. well, yes, what is virgin and you can’t go behind this fence? no, you can walk, please, but you can’t close the alcohol for me, please order. but what is changing? who is the subject. and what is the subject there really such a subject is dissolved subjects some kind of reality, which is so mechanistic and technology. he takes out literally computer programs. here, so that there was no one who could take responsibility that he sentenced a person to death. here the world is going to the fact that this will not happen at all. yes, there will be no subjective authority. sorry dear.

yes, someone else figured it out. eh, this is the order of things and actually some kind of subject. it's worth it anyway. but i would like to do it. it is precisely in this book that it is maximally somehow so dissolved. here, when just like that just a certain there is such an order with a capital letter p- invented. well, yes, somehow he is his people. how collectively they accepted it, they are cool separately, not someone said that it would be so. and somehow he uh, weaved out of thin air. there's order here something sensible that becomes diabolical, but roughly speaking , uh, you can say, so uh, there is a tracking system, but if a person takes a picture, there from the wall in the gallery, it's bad or that they find out after 40 minutes, of course, good crime, as it were, well disclosed man committed a crime. it's good if it's bad that his yes in the next step leads to a world where everyone

is connected to a certain matrix. and there, once again, dmitry danilov or dmitry bug wanted to steal 5 kopecks. a neighbor’s red light lights up somewhere and, uh, some preliminary measure is taken, because the most terrible prejudice is a sin according to the theory of inducement, as we know from dostoevsky from the gospel that is, this is such a world that is tuned to justice and truth , but at the output. terrible manipulation and the absence of any subject. yes, somehow this time we more or less coincided in the novel. e. sasha hello. there are such wonderful scenes in there, what if it gets staged. i freely retell, then the director or screenwriter will decide here if there is a love scene or not, between the characters, well, that is, after all, if there is something human in them, if i ask for some way out, i, uh, take apart my shirt on the chest or

all this, well, some kind of technological dead end in the whole world, how will it be, or do you not think about it? i'm just describing podolsk mytishchi well, i'm talking about this, of course, labor day. of course, i think about it, but uh, to be honest, i try not to think about it very much, because uh, i don't think duma is about that. all the same , it won’t lead to anything worthwhile saving, as it were. but to bring something bad, maybe, well, yes, you can’t not think about it, but it’s important not to get carried away with these thoughts and not think that you’ll come up with something very strongly, most likely, this is so will remain some kind of sluggish reflections, dear viewers. i'll tell you behind your back danilov again, that sometimes i lose the idea of ​​who is interviewing whom, it seems to me that this is danilu speaking. yes, you 're wasting your time. you're pestering me in vain, in fact, i said everything in advance. so

it turns out, the more interesting, the more interesting it is to read books. e, dmitry danilov e. here. i read you the beginning of a poem called the human curse, i don't know if you like the choice, but i love these poems because they are free from political allusions. here are synchronous allusions to time on the zeitgeist on a poem called as i said the human curse it starts so i am now right now. he knocked over a glass of whiskey on his desk on his work table. i just somehow took it awkwardly and knocked it over; it had never happened before; there had never been such a glass for whiskey, straight, heavy, stable. it would seem that he should not tip over. and so, yes, he tipped over to run. now wipe with rags. this is everything, uh, poured out, whiskey, flooded, many things, many surfaces and that's it. now it needs to dry. in general, garbage is some kind of nonsense, as they say now,

well, just think, i rubbed it, some surfaces and everything became normal, everything became fine. no, it didn't. everything is fine. no, it didn't. everything is fine. this is not normal and not good when a glass of whiskey or another glass or object falls out of a person's hand just like that. i'm already on my own, in my opinion, this is a poem that can serve as quintessians. the fact that you write, because it seems to be some kind of nonsense garbage. as you say, but in fact it is equivalent to a global catastrophe. can i remain yourself in this world of global catastrophe. you can be such a calm person with a scarf elegantly, or you need to be horrified and say that the world is collapsing and the battlefield of people's hearts, the devil is fighting with the lord , you still need to remain calm. well

, it seems to me that we should generally try to keep a clear head, but try. well, sometimes it's hard. uh huh, indeed. it seems to me that here in these even some small ones. our mistakes, that is, probably tragic, well, it seems to me that in general the great tragedy of human life lies in the fact that a person who is the image and likeness, god, can, for example, now untie the cord, this is a finished poem. i think that the biggest tragedy is that a person who has the image and likeness of god can become untied. this is the beginning of not getting into the trouser leg in any way jumping. that's how a fool with these pants and in any way that's not to get there, or here, well, something like that or stumbled on the street. and then fall. it's terrible in fact, because that's god's samples fit should not fall

leg in pants. he must hit like that, right away . everything must work out, yes, if he is a model, god, but, unfortunately, this is the corruption of the world. for me, it is very clearly manifested in the little things here. here i am about this sad. i thought about it a lot . in the old days, there were composters where you had to punch coupons. well or so or so, yes? and you'll never get there with a ticket. here and here, too, that you do not get. uh, nah, kicking a shoe or you don't get into a happy family and into love or you don't get into the lord this connection of the very dishonest and the world still betrays in dmitry. danilov in my opinion. i'm turning you into things for research. excuse me, but the e russian writer still gives you away as an object for research, who disguises you as an e indifferent painter, surrounding composters, e, trifles of overturned glasses

and encourages us to think, e, about the main thing. i , uh, often remember hmm franz kafka's phrase from one of the parables, and there it is very briefly said to stay awake, someone must stay awake, someone must, despite the fact that that's all that's how it is. just don't teach. do not give recipes do not punish stay awake. someone has to keep a sound mind. i think you are one of those awake writers and thinkers, and i thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming to our tip. thank you very much. thank you. i remind you that we had another episode of the podcast. e, let them talk, let them read. i dmitry bak talked with prose writer poet playwright dmitry danilov.

creative industry podcast on channel one is our guest today, tuta larsen russian tv presenter journalist roma roman karmanov, host of the podcast, and media manager and ceo of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives; and elena kiper e, producer and clip mixer. hello tuta, hello hi tuta or tatiana after all. well , it’s probably clearer for the viewer when they call me here, because there are a lot of tatyana, but here she’s alone, yes, who is the person here. i say, i grew up on your broadcasts. now i must say that to piss off the guest from the very beginning. no, why am i very pleased when i feel like this they say, uh, held pleasant adult intelligent people dreamed of appearing in one

studio chair, in general there is one story. i liked it already in our time it is impossible to say. i dreamed the line. this is such a legend. i don't know, by the way still, whether it's true or not. there is a legend that elena dreamed of me and this inspired her to one of her biggest hits. it's true, it's happened that way. we just studied together, in fact, we studied journalism together. it's just in a slightly different time, and it was coming exactly remember that once together and somehow it all grew together, then it became the leading channel of the famous. yes, we are still and we are still somehow. well, let's put it together well. we are fully moving. yes moving for this during this time, how now? yes, well, if in general, because i

know a lot there is a branch of already career projects and so on, but spectators. they could fix themselves in the past very much. let's get them back to the present. list them. yes, but things are, in general, very active , surprisingly interesting and very lively. here i would she said i haven't felt this way in a long time. uh hmm there is a trendy phrase in the resource, but it annoys me, because it is so worn out. i haven't felt in a long time. uh, what i do is so useful and, well, really. yeah, well, that’s probably the case and, of course, we all grow up, we have other interests other topics, including me, of course, after i have appeared. children, of course, are the topics of parenting upbringing, i don’t know there, and in general

, it became my personal development of some kind the next journalistic interest and probably , but a little bit difficult for those who do not really follow this, what i have been doing all these years is to imagine that this is how such a montage is in the film the man from the boulevard des capucines. here is larsen with an iron tooth. for some reason, the whole face is covered with iron. i remember people that i was all pierced, although i only had a pierced nose, and this is not a year old, and then suddenly such a matrona burdened with a large family and religious and so on, but this is not some incredible transformation. this is holistic. here listen. well, this is life. it would be strange if, at the age of 40, almost 9 years old, i would continue to talk about the youth subculture and jump at discos. eh, and to be interested in some new album came out from a group that has also been playing on stage for 40 years. here, of course, i'm growing,

but my viewer is growing with me. that is, he goes or the audience has increased or changed, that viewer. i don't think the audience has changed much. uh, she got a little younger, but we completely rejuvenated her thanks to, there, our children's projects, because that the children and i are now filming with the whole family on a children's tv channel. and it's so funny, like at first the parents grew up on me now their children grow up on mars with you it's somehow. i didn't do it on purpose, but this stuff is just really funny and i have a different status now in general for some viewers for a very large number of viewers. i'm not a tuta, lars i'm martha's mom kids fit oh it's martha's mom like that parents guitar. and we know you will grow up too. well, but of course, most of these viewers who grew up with me on mtv, they grew up, they had all the same questions as me, why do i live, what should i do next? what is my purpose? uh, is there life after life, and so on and

so forth, how do you survive in this world, what does he teach his children? how to save a relationship in marriage? and it's cool that we have common challenges, to which we are looking for answers together, well, it turns out that it is, and even now it is still a dialogue with the viewer who is waiting. here we are and so on, waiting for some answers, to be honest, some beacons nevertheless. uh, mind lords, people are people on tv anyway you know, huh? and it seems to me that, well, in general, everything i do all this, it seems, as if for myself, that is, first of all. this is, of course, uh such a well, research uh my project about myself about my life. it's just that in the network the questions that concern me, they concern everyone. and if i manage to manage to find some answers or , for example, ask the right question and then we can enter into a discussion with the viewer in some kind of discussion to reason together, then then it resonates, as i said once. i liked it very much. this is one wise

archpriest. uh, in an interview with me. he said to light, maybe only what burns itself, so i can only talk about what i am in, what i myself plunge into. well, for example, politics is not mine or economics at all. i don't understand any of this. i can uh, quite well, well, i can talk about it with a pretense of competence, but uh, it will be boring, because in fact i am not very interested in it. and then there is the relationship of the family. children god is something in what i myself am looking for topics for myself and roads and it's great that on this path i constantly find myself with my visuals in uh hand in hand. how are these projects born? that is , these are some, but they come in demand, or you yourself generate them, and are not born out of life, understand? here we are on we love to travel with children by car. we have been going to the anchor gap for 7 years in a row. well, here we are in summer. it's anchor slot

no maldives nothing it's a little little near sochi like i call it a tiny village there. well, we are very good there and road. there will be inevitable changes. well, and there the truth is very intimate and nice. that's peaceful. well, there, by the way, a lot of people are bored. there is absolutely nothing to do there. and for me, this is an ideal place to relax and, well, there and back, that is, we go there for 2 days with a stop and there somewhere in rostov, and that 's all, this roaddrip is an adventure in itself, and our project of the path grew out of this the parent we're filming right now, which we are. hmm, we won a grant filming this project. it's about traveling with family children travel, moreover, and for some it is not obvious such a bright tourist route. e, in small towns, where, it turns out, there are so many interesting things happening and such

a big story, as a rule, in these places that you want to tell it, but on the one hand, this is work. we are filming. we get up early there we go somewhere, i need to powder, but and so on, but on the other hand it's a great pleasure, because we spend the whole day with the family. we discover some absolutely new things for ourselves, new knowledge, new skills, something that we have in everyone release is. well, there is some history. some of it has some kind of childish enthusiasm, there is either an eco-farm, or some kind of amusement park and, of course, some kind of master class. we were already there and strung beads and lollipops, but when we cooked, we made lollipops ourselves and baked cakes. and that only what doctors did not do? that is, they are, in general , infected, it turns out already with this, uh , they are involved infected, for sure. they see themselves inside themselves. in general, leading, as it were, not at all. although martha 13th

july, and we are 6 years old in the frame, she is not going to be the leader at all. although, she already has a leading profession in her hands, but she does not even think about it. she wants her to have different options. first i wanted to be a full body doctor, then an oceanologist and a field anthologist. now she is writing. she thinks the password of the literary institutes may be . your colleague uh-huh interesting hmm well, that is, in general, she is already writing the script for your show or her entered. she writes, not yet the script. she writes stories of the elements. and now she has such an application for roman in the style of fente, something about dragons, but so far in a short form.