with her stratoviki fed, i recently interviewed. at your vladimir mashkov's, we were just on the set when we returned, well, just to have a bite to eat there and waited for the bus. we were just passing there, well, not a smoking room, if she calmly comes out, like i don’t know, like a cat or a dog, that is, especially no one there about the fox there, like the locals, they know her well under the camera. yes, it turned out that vladimir yuryevich mashkov is the main fan - these are foxes. he told me just a week ago. we talked to him. he asked to deliver big, hello, when next time i see and we better not hello, some sandwich with sausage, because, yes, you need to feed the fox away from volodya how so, do you know how long ago he appeared there? listen. no, well, thanks for the question. i'll have to find out, but it's interesting. i know that, by the way, in fact, this is specifically the thirty-first site, or samaniya. well, actually, at each start there is some kind of manual scaffolding. she, of course, does not allow to be stroked, after all, a wild animal, but they know where to run to get a piece of sausage from specialists. from this

complex we continue our conversation with vlad mironov about space tourism on earth, and now listen to the start itself. well, yes , those who come to visit the cosmodrome watch it , there is a whole platform, a certain one is called an observation point, and it is removed from the launch complex at a distance of about 3 km. well, depending on the course, far, such as rockets are not very far. everything is fine. it can be seen, in fact. and a huge number of journalists, by the way, work on each start. and now you are 100% if you come to the cosmodrome to look at the launch of some spacecraft or satellite, you will also see my colleagues who are on the air. we broadcast every launch. there are huge such megaphones, and throughout the cosmodrome. mm live tell what is happening with the rocket give broadcast. yes, well, somewhere like that, it means that somewhere in two hours he lands a rocket before the launch. uh-huh well, sc times. now,

if we are talking about piloting, we are just seeing you off. uh, in fact, we are already going to the observation post from there to look at youtube to speak such a voice, whose know personally this person, of course. uh, so let's explain for our viewers. now, if you become a spectator, uh, at least one broadcast that we are conducting or the spaceport arrives, you personally will hear, uh, the voice of a certain person who reports that everything is going well with the rocket, as a rule, every 10 seconds there is a start and further, and 50 seconds begin there. tange, yaw rotation rate of 60 seconds. the flight is normal , it somehow became interesting to me when in the next if it would be savings, and who is this person, because, well, you really already recognize the voice from a thousand. and i managed to get to know him and shoot a story about him. his name is alexander and we are launch time, he is in one of the bunkers. hello, can you use your voice, please say pitch yaw rotation is normal there gas yaw rotation is normal, guys, he is

alexander, we are partly colleagues with you, because you also periodically work live, you are worried. it's not like excitement, but it turns out that the launch vehicle is even a living organism, and during the flight you feel it. well, everything that happens in it and how you pass it through yourself, and there is a special state in this. now, if we are talking about tourists, yes, and about hmm there are journalists, for example, we all observe the launch from an observation point, and all the specialists who provide are located at the observation deck. yes, and all the specialists are in underground bunkers, alexander is also right under the launch pad. here is his task, just to report. uh, everyone about the fact that with a rocket everything goes into his regular information comes, but from the computer

center. and he actually reports. he was very happy. a told me that he doesn’t think about the fact that his voice , uh, hears the whole world, and, as it were, his work is certainly considered very responsible, but da didn’t think about the fact that he, too, is already the same symbol, in fact, of any launch, like a lot of other things, and he's been talking about how many years he's been covering launch. but no, well, i didn’t tell you somewhere, to be honest, i’ll have to talk about it the next time i’m in baikonur ask him, we see each other, then just periodically somehow just ran into each other. he also asked to say hello to everyone. hello everyone. this is alexandra the voice we hear from every launch. well, what you shot somewhere you can see the story about it. go to the roscosmos channel. roskosmos tv has a huge collection of materials there already. i had the longest business trip mm in my life and actually to the spaceport. it was just on a business trip for launch. union from 19 under yours. uh,

start-up with yuli moved so foam projects a challenge. and we, of course, part of the work hmm, as it were, covered the time covered it was somewhere more than a month. actually a month. no, no, no, well, it was a very busy time. hmm, we worked a lot on your project, and covering your final preparations, we also traveled to all the facilities of the cosmodrome of the cosmodrome, which is at baikonur and tried to understand, that's how it all the matter is arranged and tell the audience, and amazing people work and live in baikonur and i think that tourists will have the opportunity to get to know them somehow chat, because these are really space people. and for me, for example, i really remember we were filming a story about the work of environmentalists. they have a very cool team. they, for example, leave after each launch in the steppe in the area of ​​the fall. e-e stages of launch vehicles, they take out measurements, and so that our specialists or kazakh no our e zincs, yes, but

they take measurements to ensure that the environment to the baikonur system is our launch. the very cool team a of the hydrometeorological service, with which we also met. for example, they did not say that rockets are possible. in almost any weather, as long as the thundercloud is not directly above the launch complex. they definitely send such a weather balloon. e, before each launch before the state commission for refueling, just the same, that is, before refueling a rocket, everyone is convinced that there is no danger, e, nature does not consider how e produces oxygen. this is a booster oxidizer at an oxygen nitrogen plant. it turns out there are capacity that oxygen produce hmm and for baikonur for the needs of baikonur as well. then they are sent to plesetsk and vostochnaya . but the amazing place is the cosmodrome - this is a huge huge machine, and a huge number of people are involved from each launch. i was very interested to know and talk about it. and those who are going to fly.

it is necessary to somehow bring some kind of certificate to pass the commission. uh, you need to submit documents , there is a list, just the same in our telegram channel. mm, certain tourist to get in. yes, yes there, as a rule, for 21 days, but that is , the term yes, there are terms determined for foreign citizens will be a little longer, about 45 days. well, in general, yes, about three not 3 weeks before the planned trip, you submit everything to you, they will tell you what needs to be submitted. where do i need to submit some documents? yes, make out, everything, you have to go through no, just only. if you want to notice the isolation, you need to sit. no , it's just an astronaut. well, i think ventom nikolaevich know, it's the best me every time i come to baikonur hmm i have yes hmm this is such an assignment. i always go live for the viewer of our broadcast in 40 minutes of admission and tell about what is happening at the cosmodrome. every time i try to find some interesting information, but to get it and then one day i went out with the key to

the start, just the same, less than an hour remains in my hands before the start, and the key to the start, and the team. i thought honestly how to surprise the audience and our live broadcast and found it. actually the key to the start, which i will now demonstrate to you. and i ask the operator to me help once with the turn of just such a key, the starting cyclogram began. now, of course, no one does that anymore. everything has been switched to automatic, but the tribute to tradition is observed and such keys are issued for each launch as a souvenir. and in fact , these keys are still traditionally symbolically released before each launch. uh, here's no button nobody pushes the processes are automated. well, yes, uh , everyone has a certain call sign at the spaceport. that is, no one says, there alexander nikolayevich launched, accepted or else someone is the so-called first second, there is the tenth twentieth thirtieth. here is the first one - this is actually the very shooting launcher, who is responsible for ensuring that everything goes

smoothly. that's how it was, but almost at all spaceports. well, here's our very first one. you said the biggest baikonur persistent newest, how do they differ for you. well, apart from nature, what you said, listen, well, nature, actually, too, uh. yes big difference hmm i don't know how active i am as a tourist. it seems to me that nature this, well, you can learn spaceports. and through it, too, because, for example, here are the rights of baikonur. we have already talked about you, for sure. this is completely different, and the eastern one is huge. i remember when you go to the cosmodrome and there are huge strawberry bushes. it's just these sizes. here, uh, some huge butterflies are flying. these expanses are amur forests. that's very beautiful. well, yes, as i said, you need to visit different spaceports at each. it seems to me at least once in a lifetime, because bekanur is our glorious history you arrive there to look at the legacy that our acc-founders left us.

in general, all eastern astronautics is our future, it is something innovative. there is something very modern there, for example, this one is very surprising for me. at the very least, the structure is called a mobile service tower. and here, therefore, it is necessary to visit two spaceports in order to understand how they differ from each other. and this is a mobile tower. well, about 5 50 m, in my opinion, it is high. during preparation for launch, she runs into launch vehicle. that's right in the literal sense, allowing all specialists to carry out the necessary pre-launch work in this mode. that's very beautiful. well, yes, under any weather conditions there sometimes, by the way, it can be very cold too, amur region. still, only to the plane. you can also get there by train. it seems to me, if desired, you can train for durability too. it seems to me that the road to the spaceports. uh, the projection is to look at our russia and thinks, this is 6-700 so it will be. well, why is the expanse of russia

russia really here, can you imagine so cool. everything, here, as if comfortably , yes, that is, you can, firstly, it is interesting to get experience trying to get to the cosmodrome , in fact, everything is much easier than it seems, but it is also interesting. experience yes, and as well as to baikonur, as well as to vostochny, and then a separate experience will be the study of space infrastructure before, well, that is, many people think that it’s worth going to the cosmodrome, just to see the launch. this is wrong. it's not like that tourists can get to vostochny now, yes, that is, now they can get to vostochny yes, just recently, by the way, there was a launch, and from there, and a regular one. it was a sufficient amount. yes, those who want to watch the launch. now, in september, there will be another manned mission, only from baikonur a to vostochny for now. hmm, this is a cosmodrome. i see it is very important to understand that it is being actively completed. that is, it already works there. uh, the starting table for the raki is relatively union, eh, but the start for the hangar is being completed now. this is actually the most promising advanced

rocket carrier of our country. here, and at baikonur in september we will pilot and launch. and they are usually the most interesting, because, well, people are sent into space. that is, a tourist can, well, see, of course. a huge number of different activities , starting with the exit of the crew from the astronaut hotel to the song grass at the house of the earthlings group hmm, until the moment when they leave already in spacesuits from behind the 254 platform, a and go to the start. yes, you can see it all with your own eyes. well, you're broadcasting live, what are you talking about at this time? i talk about how the preparation is going on about what is happening on spaceport. every time i try to find some really interesting story, some interesting moment, so that the audience can catch on to something. for example, ah. on the launch pad, there are huge iron structures such as beams, and on them. when i first visited there, i saw such huge yellow stars, and the big ones a little smaller, and

i asked someone a question. what does this mean, in general, what is this asterisk? why is it some kind of art or whatever it turned out to be, that this is a tradition of launchers. after every start. they draw e here on this metal structure, and a yellow link. a dot, and one small means one start. and actually the big one is 10 launches. and here it is specifically from the thirty-first site of the cosmodrome to be. kanur, already more than 400 launches. it has been committed since the moment of its discovery. that's also interesting. and there are some interesting traditions that you have learned about, that you tell about. well, here's the fun part. probably this is all that is connected with piloting and the program. uh, that's when the astronauts, when the astronauts send the day, is generally filled with ssakova kind of tradition for me one of such, how important they are, uh, is to send you off to the crew. they leave the cosmonaut hotel, in which they actually complete their pre-launch training to the song grass at home, the earth group, they all know her faithful

in our country. and this is some kind of moment at the same time and pride of joy, because you see, just like that, weasel once, and after you flew, in my opinion, oleg artemyev with his guys the last time i was uh at the launch of sergei prokopiev and each time it’s some kind of incredibly exciting feeling, then it’s very interesting to watch, for example, the report of the state commission, when the crew, already in their flight suits, report that they are ready for the intake. this is also some kind of amazing, in fact , the feeling of looking at people who are about to be there in 3-4 hours already twice. i report twice one more one more time yes, yes, well, you report. uh, i think my boss. eh, leader. uh, the darts commission is, uh, after we put on the spacesuit. yes, and already by tradition, uh, in front of the rocket itself, yes, well , i reported here to the commander of the head

of roskosmos, yes, and actually with tourists. unfortunately , there will be no opportunity to look at the cosmonauts so closely at the launch complex, but the broadcast will show this moment. we are allowed there. and we ourselves know cosmonauts. you can’t get close, after all, safety precautions. well, yeah, it's an amazing time. well, the kick is so light that they give. actually, head roskosmos or give such a small acceleration. yes, yes, here are some such traditions, uh, i can remember, tell me star happened on this next, that it was all over, what to do next for people who flew. mm. maybe, first of all, did you pack your things and leave everything, that's where your work ended, but depending on the launch , really. if this is a manned program, then we all sort of go, and such a local branch to the mission control center. uh, and we are actually waiting for the opening of the passage hatches. well docking in 3 hours yes, yes, yes,

yes, now they fly in a two-turn pattern, if they are mistaken, but with me and tourists there , tourists can do whatever they want, and firstly, you can explore the city itself. it is very interesting. there are a huge number of all sorts of space artifacts scattered throughout the bullkennel. and if we are talking about baikonur and you can go to the museum, oh, which there , too, about which the museum of cosmonautics has already told you to look at the snowstorm, and which is located there to see in the house of koroleva gagarin, it is necessary to ride on the starting uh, sites that are no longer functioning, but were once very famous, for example, gagarin start and site number one from there. from where once yuri alekseevich went into space, and tourists are allowed everywhere accompanied. there are guides. naturally, some groups, but it needs to be seen, and in fact , there is a lot of work at the spaceport . hmm. . that's something not enough time, because

that even just stand in the steppe. and just like that, look at these expanses at these gigantic distances, look at the camels that ride horses there. and this also takes time. there are a lot of cafes and restaurants there. there are a lot of hotels there. that is , there will definitely be something to do there, what is there market market, very tasty, there is pilaf. by the way, here is one such secret one. i mean, bring something from there, by the way, you mean some oriental souvenirs. yes, there is one secret place where they cook the most delicious pilaf that i ate in my life with my head. but i won't reveal it. meet at baikonur if you see me run up. i told you all the secrets, you have to go to the baikon to taste bad in kazakhstan , though, i haven’t eaten anything like that in my life. very tasty lots of fruits. there, too , by the way, but now i’m thinking, that’s just the autumn start, that’s manned there, just the fruits there, my saliva is actually warmed up . i remembered that watermelons. there are just amazing, too, very tasty melons, right? we

we continue our conversation with vlad mironov about space tourism on earth. here i want to ask you my standard question. i always gaps, like you, you see a person in 50 years in space, what will he be doing. i would really like, in fact, that we went to explore deep space. it seems to me that in 50 years our country will definitely have a smart base. well, for starters, go beyond. here, actually our planet. and how far can you get, at least to the moon? i think that in 50 years we will already be well, our country will. lunar base, and not just fly around and namely, of course, of course, to explore. first, our only natural satellite will go further. and actually there further. we are actually humanity for more than 65 years, manned astronautics. we never got out. here, beyond the borders of our earth, as it were

, the moon, and what is happening there? further e to conquer mars, for example, but i don’t know to go somewhere even further beyond the boundaries of our galaxy. this is very interesting, but everyone hmm space begins on earth is the first thing i i understood when i came to work at roskosmos . so i think that in 50 years there will be a lot of space tourists, but for now you mean who flew into space. yes, i think that how the implementation will be on the ground or already, probably, not some kind of ground. so i think that smart before exploring, but the planets themselves, and satellites and going somewhere far away, you must definitely see how it all works on earth, so i agitate everyone to come to our cosmodromes to get acquainted with these space people look at the launch to be inspired by this, and in 50 years already i think we will all, and so on the weekend drive to the moon. and you yourself would like to fly into space, of course, listen, i

actually went to your podcast today and thought, well, life is amazing after all. well, i don’t know before that, i definitely took 100 interviews with you. and today you are sitting in front of me interviewing me. well, that is, there are already a lot of friends, yes, yes, i just think, what if i also someday manage to fly into space, then once that’s all so uh, unusual in this life. yes, i would like to definitely, and who would not want to, i do not know where he flew. uh, on the third flight. yes, on the third flight i had on board, as it were, the commander of the international space station was immediately on board. uh, two countries in one that, before becoming, well, professional countries, then. they were teachers in high school, well, in the colleges of america. i have everything ahead of me. yes, i mean that all roads are open, that is, put in a word at the cosmonaut training center, please, i then i will be more active. i would like, of course, at least for 2 weeks, like to look at our earth from the porthole or experience it. this is

the feeling of overload at the time of rocket takeoff. it would be very cool, but uh, again, returning, uh, to this idea of ​​​​the original cosmos, any cosmos begins on earth, so come to the russian cosmodromes well, i support vlad that, of course, you need to at least get enough to go to the cosmodrome see the real start i am anton shkaplerov. today i was visiting. uh, creative producer. ah, broadcaster. e. roscosmos media e. vlad mironov i am anton shkapper. this was the space stories podcast all episodes of the space stories podcast. you can watch it on the first channel website 1tv.ru. hello this is a podcast of the psyche and we

continue to dismantle the closets of problems of complexes of situations of suffering and experiences of our dear guests and we are looking for a way out of the most difficult situations, because mikhail khorsky is a psychologist. me so psychological science knows exactly what to do with it. hello dear friends. yes, we are engaged in scientific and practical psychology demonstrative without any magic without any sorcery, we help to solve somewhere ordinary everyday problems. and somewhere, maybe even quite complex and unusual, our today's heroine, olga due to various reasons, including because she was trapped in a relationship with a manipulator and even with a fraudster , she turned into a woman who controls everything and in at some point, she realized this, which is already very good. but she does not yet know how to get out of the situation of over-control, so we will discuss the situation today.

michael will tell us, maybe some right steps. but, and you friends will hear, you will see something useful for yourself, because the situation. well, almost all of our situations are typical olga hello and such a question. hello, has turned or has always been turned turned into. and let's all your stories, what happened? what kind of a man appeared in your life, after which you became such a freak control for 12 years, i lived with a man whom i manipulated, but the most such age where you could live life build a career fall in love marry have children, but i lived 12 years of someone else's life at 23 . i met a young man. and at that time i was already divorced, and i had a small child of 4 years old, and at the very

beginning of the relationship he offered me, i come from krasnodar, he offered me to go to moscow . he was in moscow at that moment. i needed some kind of male support in male attention. and of course, i was worried that i was alone and that i had a child that i might not be able to build these relationships. here a man appears, a guy, and who pays. i pay so much attention not only to me to look after me pay attention to my son as of course, yes, but i have started a relationship with him. what does he do as gifts? eh, took care of some household chores. yes, he made gifts, firstly, it's just courtship, how to give a hand to a woman, and notice that i have run out of, say, perfume. yes, and on time, not even to

himself, he buys anyone there on time, and these are the moments, how to bring his son his yummy some kind, or a gift that he had long wanted to dream of waiting there, which i could not, let's say, allow, but it sounds like a fairy tale, of course, everything began like a fairy tale, respectively, of course, i'm like any girl, the more young they are having a lot of experience with a man. and for me, uh, well, that is, he hooked me, i fell in love with him, the way i grew up in a family and my father is the core of the family and and we all trust him, that is, completely on the family relationship was built on ac and i have an idea of ​​a family. yes, of course, transferred what i and i i wanted and thought that the family should be such and such, that a woman should completely

trust a man, as i, in principle, did, which went wrong. and i began to understand that a has some problems with the law, in principle, he never hid. and the fact that he is young. e was. eh, we judge and some time was. he is 2 years older than me. well, almost, but he confided in me and says what i have, but a diamond, which is not quite legal. he somehow got them about it, he didn't tell me told, but they need to be implemented, as at that time, he had minor problems with documents. and he asked me for help. well, i'm already half in love with this man. of course, i wanted to help him with what i needed to discover there. e in the bank cell. and or there is a bank account, i do all this, and he wanted to implement them, but it

still didn’t work out. he told me a story about how they would buy, or rather sell. he is now, uh, yes, and we will live. we will buy an apartment for the child and arrange for an elite school. and you have everything will be good. e. well, of course, i believed him at that time that this crime did not bother you. and that's exactly what i had thoughts. i ask him. he says they are just without documents. hmm and since, in principle, in my family it was so that i did not ask my father unnecessary questions and my mother did the same. i did not ask my father unnecessary questions. where does the money come from? in principle, i did not begin to question him completely. yes, so that he would tell me where these diamonds came from, maybe it was convenient for me not to know something, but i trusted at that moment right

completely human. and so life went diamond did not sell. he didn't sell diamonds. yes, i saw them. i saw they were kept. eh, at home in krasnodar in my apartment for several years, and they still could not be realized. that is, he did not succeed. and, like, he said, tomorrow everything will work out. let's find an apartment. we found an apartment according to the ad well in krasnodar in an elite one, and in the area in an elite house, and we looked at the semicom, met the owner of this apartment, which ilya was selling with him, and was a friend and said that yes, that’s all for us liked. we are ready to leave you some small deposit, by the way. at that time we didn’t have money for a deposit, and we asked my parents for it. there was a small amount there in the region of 30-40.000 rubles. what are they, of course, buying an apartment, the more it will be an apartment, but

the parents, of course, agreed to me for my son. we leave this deposit, but when ilya made friends with this apartment owner, he says that now i can’t get a deal alone. and i need to turn some money in the bank there. i mean, i need to remove them somehow. well for that amount is needed. could you borrow me so that i can buy you later, i say, then i bought an apartment from you, the owner of the apartment, i will get a receipt for him to deal with a decent amount of money worse. well, it turns out so, although a person with legal education. very often scammers have such an amazing talent, this is the belief that this is how it goes on, that ah-ah further on the sale of these diamonds. he asked my parents for money, but my friends and he still didn’t succeed, but he returned the money, it was some

small amount, but he didn’t return it in time than convinced that he is a decent man word he can be trusted classic. yes, my parents, of course, agreed to see how he treats me, how he treats my son and the fact that, well, he did some repairs in my apartment, but bought it. well, there , a computer was bought there for a child, and game consoles, well, quite expensive at that time, we could not afford it. yes, and my parents, of course, also bought it, you know, in principle, but this story ended with the purchase of an apartment, he ilya left. moscow to him. well, you can say that i already understand this now, i analyze what he ran away and said to me, it's nobody. don't listen, when i get back i'll pay off all my debts and everything else. and the prosecutor's office calls me,

it turns out, this landlord. hmm filed an application, and the prosecutor's office calls me to the police. it turns out that ilya is officially married. although we have lived together for 2 years. he has two of his own children. almost the same age as my son when he contacted me and asked him, but you are really married. i was so amazed and it knocked me down in some moment. he says, yes, i was married, but i did not tell you, because this is an unpleasant story for me. here you are my soul. you are such a bright person in my life. i didn't mean to mess with your dirt. so tell this story, and the story was like this at the time when he was 18 years old in his youth. he already had a family, and already had two children, that is, the woman there is a little older. well, let's skip this page, what happened next, as i understand it, he sat down, in the end. yes? uh, in the end, i moved to moscow. i have it

restricted absolutely from work from to socializing with friends or ended up in complete dependence on him complete dependence on him. and both financially and hmm mentally morally, in the end, dreams end up in prison. yes, he went to jail, and they detained him and put him in prison. he accused me of this, that he was found well, because he, it turns out, was hiding, he was found. ah, because my son started a page in social networks on this page in social networks they tracked where i am, i am with a child, respectively, there i am ilya and he accused me of this. a and, a crushed us what i have been doing for you for 12 years. you are nobody without me, you lived with me and only with

me you could not live with anyone else. for you and there i called the child my son and called you my wife, and you have to help me, uh, hire a lawyer. and, that is, to find money for this money. you found that money, of course. yes, i took loans. and how much money do you have? so he found that's all the difficulty for 12 years. ah, this is about 10 million. it turned out, of course, most of it - this is, when he was already in prison with everyone , as when you began to understand that something was not right, when i began to live on my own, that is, i didn’t have him in prison. and no income. i needed to go to work. i have a little baby. i live in another foreign city, i can’t leave here , because he is in moscow in a pre-trial detention center. i need this one to help him too, and already after , probably, a year, when i realized that i

can cope without him. i fix pretty well. i make good money. i have good education, well done. basically, uh, coping with both my son and a rented apartment due to the overlap of these loans and debts that i already took out on him. i then realized why i need it. why should i give him money now. you understand that he is like you. not needed. yes, like that, right? and what did you do? yes, of course, i broke up with him. ah. i told him that there would be no more money. i'm cutting off contact with you. uh, you have, basically, a mother has a sister. you can contact them. it was 2016-2017 year. no, he did not leave me behind, but he communicated with my son. at me already at that moment the new relations with the young man normal have begun.

i then realized that it turns out that you can freely walk by the hand in moscow, walk down the street, normal relations, but since my son and ilya they were still in close contact for 12 years, respectively, my son perceived him in no way as his own father, of course, yes. well, as a close person, yes , he took his side, and ilya told my son that i did badly. i him left in jail. i left him, that is, all my manipulative abilities, and now i directed him to my son in order to embroil you. yes that's right. how did you cope with this situation, and i told the truth with me , told the truth, my son was years old then, but he was 13 years old. he is in your life now this ilya no no, but he is wanted, he hides this podcast with his psyche. today we

are talking with our heroine, olga, about how, having escaped from the clutches of a manipulator, stop being overbearing, control everything that happens around you. oh, that is, i understand that the problem is that and now you have gone through a period of this absolute blind trust. yes , to some other adult person to an outsider. i want you in the other direction. are you in control now? yes, that's right. now you know everything for sure, you cannot be deceived. you can't fool your brains out and manipulate you as a ninja. you understood cheers class. i'm masha mistake you can powder your brains, i 'm afraid of this. yes, here it is, this is an attempt at overcontrol. yeah trying to run away from your human essence, where there may be weaknesses. yes, as a result, she becomes even more neurotic, because you understand that i can have these weaknesses.

they can also hurt me. there is something to take away from me, to deceive, to betray, but there is a ban on this. and in the end, it brings you to a new one , as it were, like a coil. yes, this is neuroticism. you're still trying more and more, so uh, to defend yourself. and yes, you are tired of it. i'm tired of this. i'm tired of being in control. everything is a-a very, and i control all areas of my life. that is, i need to know and understand everything that is happening around me. and now i work as the head of a small company. a and. uh, i have subordinates who, in principle, have some responsibility, yes or some tasks that they can delegate to their subordinates. i prefer to do it myself. and so there is such, you know, the maximum is such, uh, and this is a delusion. i can say this as a leader. yes, what do you want to do? okay, do it yourself. no. i

understand that, but i can't help myself. disagree, really want to do well? well, i mean, whatever you want. do it yourself. just then, don't expect that, uh , there will be development, because if you do everything yourself, it's fine, there will be no development here, either you choose one or the other. this is work, and in other areas, you also became this, yes, i began to control my son. although he is already an adult and he lives his family life. well, how to control what you ate washed? liski well, not to such a trifle, of course, but, let's say, for example, he is now studying and working. he recently arrived at the university. he's got a little debt in there and, uh, he had to close it. he comes to the university calls me and says, mom. so i have to tell the teacher, that is, and i was so pissed off with my responsibility.

what, but in principle, already a twenty-year-old adult, maybe he can’t decide without my prompting, but, but when you heard this , critical thinking turned on in you, you began to think, wow, well done, you’re just super in this, because that the majority these parents are beyond, which means that they are quivering, they would not even turn on anything. well, of course, i’ll tell you now, son , we’re writing a dictation well done. so earlier, i did it and at this moment it happened quite recently at this very moment. i realized that i made a huge mistake. that is, uh, this one is mine, but hypercontrol of his life, but switched to his life. that is, he cannot make any decisions without me. yes, and when you realized what you had done, and a huge mistake, you began to somehow blame yourself for it you have now, right? yes, you know

something very important here. parents cannot raise their children without mistakes. parents can not raise children than they are not, traumatizing. our only parenting task is, well, how to try to educate in such a way that the opportunities that we give children are greater than the injuries that we inflict on them, but an attempt to remove mistakes from our lives from our upbringing of our children. yes , this is an attempt to make yourself even more neurotic. and in what areas of life have they become like this, uh, overcentral, of course, personally. i mean, i can't have a relationship. hmm. i'm probably more afraid of what i can't control. not that i will be deceived to control my life further with this person, what exactly you will not be able to control. i get lost at the moment when something doesn't go according to my plan. uh -huh that is, i build even, if here,

uh, some new relationship, well, or there a date with a man and something went wrong. there's the wrong restaurant. we went or there on time. so i'm lost, how is it i don't know what do next. it feels like the earth is slipping out from under my feet. and a went just becomes. i don't have a plan b. i have a well -built. yes, you have that, just a little, uh, a similar situation appears. yes, how, then, yes, this is the feeling, mm, that this is the earth going out from under the bottom and again it will be that it will hurt again. yes? yes, the fact that i can again be betrayed by something that will hurt me will be deceived. well, let's alleviate this pain to some extent now. so i wrote down something for you, while the natalians communicated and let's these formulations that are absolutely for you. already familiar on the machine come from you. let's listen to them. and let's think about whether they correspond to

reality. the first wording sounds like this for 12 years. i want someone else's life. this is true. i believe yes, here are 12 years, you lived your life. this is your life. that's how she is. yes, she is not the one you imagined, but she injured yours. she you yes? pain to you. yes, not what we wanted. yes, she is yours, tell me now. it's been my life difficult. yes, very unusual. well, tell me, it was my life. again tell me, it was my tin for 12 years. i have lived my life my life easier to think so. you opened my eyes now , you really know, i told you the truth . uh-huh, and now the truth is to get by on it. and i have a question. so you said,

he is a muscovite. how did you know that he was a muscovite . what is it expressed in? he lived in moscow . yes, he has ah, not his personal apartment. ah, he didn't have an apartment. look at these little lies, how is it right to say lie little lie little lie o found the word before little lie. yes, it is built on them, and the big lie that you lived, he is a muscovite, everything will be fine, diamonds. just without documents any information can be checked, where is it on the internet, please dear parents of 22-year-old children, dear twenty- two-year-old children are no longer children for a long time. check, they told you, yes, these are just diamonds. they're just undocumented diamonds without

papers. a criminal offense is an article such as pushkin wrote. i myself am deceived glad. well, hormones in love are going wild, dear friends. check i do not want to believe more beliefs. here, look at this again, it's straight the web has flowed. yes, and here you are, you still believe in it , you heard it several times here. he asked for small sums and returned them. we took a small amount from our parents, well, 35-40.000, but we didn't have it, if you didn't have it. the amount is big for you , you know, at that time it was big. and you see how these people, here they are, well, like scammers, but they have money in general depreciated, because they go through these and also with games, yes, they have, as it were, a small amount. give me this little amount. you don’t have to believe in it if a person doesn’t have 5,000 rubles. so it's a

big deal for him. that's what's important. now i understand this, and we are starting, of course, now you have such a chic experience already. how else to find out that the fraudster in front of you is a manipulator, a deceiver, and pathologically, according to me, everyone wants to set me up, i don’t believe anyone. you don't at all, everything will be fine. i will always be with you as soon as we hear everything always no one never completely, at this moment it is important that we, people of critical thinking, ring a bell. now i just perceive these words, that to that is. if i hear that everything will be fine. i say, yes, it will be good, when i control it, only then everything will be fine. you know, our psychologists have such a joke. so, when we ask our clients, we say, how are you, they say, i'm fine. or they

tell me, everything is bad with me in both cases, they deceive us, because everything does not happen good and bad. and what is good and bad is generally unknown. and what it will be, in principle, is not clear, because it can be very different things. we can't. uh, you know, to foresee what will happen, well, some people , of course, believe that they can there know, uh, to foresee the future, but it is impossible to have a multi- factorial life that you will not be a black swan. why do you think that olga is now vulnerable in this state, when she seems to have taken everything, uh, her hands. i understand that it's hard and it gets in the way, but why is she an uzi on the contrary, because, in the first place, everything cannot be taken; this is what will reject you. yes, because you want to take everything, but everything is impossible, and here you have a! try to say everything. you yourself also said when i hear from another person. i don't trust him, right? well, so -so, too, already start telling the truth , you can’t control everything.

i understand that it’s possible there, but if you don’t control something, that it will be hard for me, that is, i have a fear of fear inside something that ’s very why your fear will be deceived, it will turn out , it won’t work, and it hurts you to be the only person on earth should not hurt everyone, but our wonderful heroine cannot. well, you're scared that it will hurt just as much. yes, it is so true, dear, olga, now say such a phrase to me, maybe i'm sick, i can't be sick. i don't know what severe pain is. i don't know what was strong, because because it can be more painful. yes, yes, when we are in this belief that i am in a lot of pain right now, it hurts a lot. we suffer precisely from this belief, they are pain itself. this is a podcast of the psyche, where i am natalia

loseva and clinical psychologist mikhail khors, candidate of psychological sciences , look at the masterpieces of your precious lives, positive emotions under a magnifying glass. you experience in life. yes, tell me . very interesting, you are very directly inspired, and joy. pride for your son , joy for some moments in your work. yes, the achievement of some goals set by me is also pride for myself , pride for myself that i coped with the situation that i had, but for many years. and who have i become now? what i am on a living person is a real person, i can live here now. oh, but tell me , please, if you learn, for example, to delegate some of your tasks to employees

or let go of your son a little, you will consider this your achievement. now yes it seems to me a good plan, along the way is very important. he does not seek to delegate everything and does not seek to let go of his son completely. these are again those very generalizations. everything is complete. yes, start somewhere and just remember that you are setting yourself the goal of learning to delegate more than before. yes, you are the leader. yes, you can be framed. yes, you answer. we won’t arrange it either, and yet how is it? well, you may have heard advice that not all of them know. yes? here, look at your trying not to get involved, in general, in such a relationship. she ends up being insubstantial. you can

get in the question. how much more than that part of here are some of the mm painful some kind of toxic relationship. yes. she is here, well, in all pairs, plus or minus, just where there is less, where there is more, because the task just find a person where there will be less of this, and toxicity. here i was, by the way, i asked a very important question , do you have a grudge against your parents that they allowed this, because they were adults, then you were a girl, listen, dear parents. that’s not specifically olya , yes, after all, if a person appears in your child’s life, it doesn’t matter, a man or a woman who constantly asks for a loan, but let the bell ring at least for you. they didn’t know everything, but he asked for it, then when already, and for several years now. we lived with him. yes, and

he presented my son with some gifts for repairs in my apartment. of course, they are, at least now, to break through the internet of any person. can? and if you can’t, then this is another reason to doubt that this person does not have social networks, that he is an incomprehensible unknown there, and so on. if this person draws on the horizon olga what is the correct tactics of behavior should be pain? what will you do? here he will do it now. i'll probably call the police first. call for help. you don't have to fight it. i won’t cover myself further, and i don’t want to. yes, and actually i'm very glad and happy that he is completely in my life now. after that, they did not completely mortgage, at the moment. yes, now he is not in my life and there is no life of my

son. and i so calmly ask you a wallpaper that you will advise all the same parents to do when the parents see that their child. there, their daughter or son found himself in such a situation, blinded, stunned by an adult who does not understand how to achieve for their children. here's a beat just like that and fight screaming stomp your feet lock the door, so here's to do all this. yes, it may not work. you know why most parents don't. why because because it's wildly afraid to quarrel with your blood. it's true , i understand, the bird also needs to be paid out of the nest a little bit. you push it out and it's scary, what if it falls once, makes a mistake and suddenly there is a cat, but birds don't learn to fly differently. and if we cannot overcome our fear through this, is that again? this is already our egoism. oh you i shouldn't be scared. ah, everything in my life should be good and comfortable , this modern hedonism. this is a constant request for the comfort of life. for

some kind of free life, where you can get everything without mental pain and labor. he is not about our olga, you know, what is the paradox well , of course, very often i won’t at all. well, many of us, of course, fantasize about some kind of completely carefree absolutely definitely happy life joyful to go, but at the same time we understand that real life is interesting, full it is full of suffering and more disappointment, because if it does not fall. yes, if you don’t break your knees into the trash, then without this contrast you won’t be able to appreciate, then those moments of time, of course, in general happiness. yes, we will not understand that we are happy if we have nothing to compare the truth, but insults are still recommended, but at least to speak. you can talk to yourself, if you are not afraid to go to your parents

to talk, or maybe even prescribe using fine motor skills, which develops our right hemisphere very well, and the right hemisphere is responsible. just for the changes in our lives. yes, write it down. why i am offended and maybe write 10 times, but i forgive, i will try to forgive, maybe i won’t succeed right away, but i will try. yes and such actions, they also give results. well, we are looking for that life that we talked about, about which you would like to consider someone else's, but with the help of michael you recognized that it is your life, it is precious, you understand. this is a life that no one else has. she is only yours, she is complete, she full-blooded. this is the life you really have to love in yourself. you have passed it. you came out of this, you are a great fellow, you should not. you can try to love your life a little more than before, and every

little bit you really understand? do not devalue it, even if someone tells you, you should love yourself a lie, you should not. you can, but you don't have to. we often disagree with mikhail khors when we discuss the history of our guests, but this also has a special value, because our wonderful heroes, brave, sincere, helping us to understand, how to get out of this or that difficult situation, they receive a whole range of opinions of ideas and there is something to think about, but definitely leaves this studio. with some change, and olga, what you have endured valuable for yourself. well, it can be said that they did not endure anything of value. this is also normal and do not be offended. if you say bullshit, but actually look at your life your life, which has lived with a man. it was my life, that

is, you opened my eyes to those moments which she really gave herself. uh-huh , it turns out it's not. it is necessary to rethink me, of course, it was also that control, a, which at the moment worries me. yes, this is hyper-control, but it's not scary to try it. if we are completely away from this, too, several traditions, every life is a masterpiece. everything is different in it. our heroine. olga fell into the paw of a manipulator for 12 years she lived like in a web, with this person, she came out generally a winner, but with such a side effect, she became super controller of everything around with this a clinical psychologist, candidate of psychological sciences, came to us with a request. mikhail khors helped rewind this situation and simply turned olga's idea

of ​​that period of life upside down. come visit us and we'll do the same for you. we are very grateful to all the guests who come. we try to come out as gentle and helpful as possible. if you have any pain, don't be afraid of it. open come visit us. we will help you. hello dear friends. this is a free program podcast with maxim tarankov and today i have the most long-awaited guest for me personally, empress elizaveta tuktamysheva list. hello finally. you have reached us, finally, a lot of ice shows, the season is over, sum up the results of this season for yourself. hmm, and the season turned out to be very good for me

; i didn’t disrupt a single start, and all the competitions were on the podium; i won two grand prix; i started in russia ; therefore, in general, i am satisfied and hmm happy with the result of this season, because it was worthy. i think you stand out. uh, for myself, some kind of start this season. especially. well, maybe not a place, but your feeling, but i think that this is the russian championship if we are talking about competitions. uh, official figure skating. eh, because what happened at the russian challenge, i had completely different feelings, but very strong ones. and if we talk about some competitive programs, then this is probably for the russian championship because it is always exciting, but it’s probably good to perform

as in the russian championship i did not succeed for a long time. i felt this flow of energy. i really enjoyed performing because i was in good shape and was able, uh, to maintain both my form and mental state. together, but they didn’t bring me to the podium, so for me this is one of the most important one starts, probably it was. come on, then let’s get back to the russian challenge, because since you yourself mentioned this start, what did you feel at that moment. ah. i was surprisingly mine, i was madly worried, and we bet the program is fast enough, but with the machine i didn’t have much time to work on the ice, because we ordered the machine. he was the wrong size at first. he was very tall. i could not physically there, but to do some tricks and literally in the last days. we found the right

size machine, and i was most worried about it, because it's something new. and plus, you don't know at all. how will the judges rate you? and that's the most. it seems to me that it pressed and caused misunderstanding, when i do not control the situation, i always get a little hmm exciting. that's why there were such emotions, but at the end, and after boriseinman gave me his figurine. i was completely delighted and positive emotions. the special prize from the elfman remained very important from this, than the troika is called. 100%, i don’t know what heaven i was in honor of, when exactly in the resein. a appreciated my performance, because he is a legend genius. i respect him immensely, and it’s nice from him, but to receive such a prize, you

have been performing at the highest level for 16 adult seasons. i know that you are tired of this question. well, tell me about this motivation every year to fight with new young hot girls to stay in the top. motivation, as i usually say, motivation is the desire to improve and as long as you have the strength. i have so you have strength. so you have uh desire or not? or vice versa, you need to think desire, then strength. well, in short, there is motivation, there is strength. i don’t know in what sequence, but for now i have the mood to come to training, as long as i have, and inspiration for some images. and this is interesting to me. and as long as a person is fond of something, as long as it does not cause him any absolutely negative emotions,

then it is not so difficult. well, for me, and therefore, if it ruined my health or my life, i don’t like it all, of course, i finished much earlier. and so, uh, i, in principle, just found uh, triple axel uh, there in the morning training, and it doesn’t give me any big worries, it’s cool and with a cool team, and we go hand in hand. and this is what i like. here, probably, the motivation is that you just improve and create comfortable conditions for me, so that i would like this a little provocative question - this is about the next season. what are your plans for a very busy schedule? to be honest, i haven’t thought about programs about anything yet. i want to completely reboot to understand that i'm interested, because after all, i'm 26 years old, and only do one thing for me. and hmm, i can’t do this and i

need to understand now what to do next and what is possible, and of course, i want to skate, but i also want to develop myself. some kind of self-development, so that and then after the end of a career, but calmly change activities. i have one more point that i would like to clarify for myself in moscow there is a huge competition among girls, and in st. petersburg, but in principle, throughout almost my entire career. you were the only one, that's why they call you empress elizabeth of petersburg there. it was not hard for you always, that's what the whole of st. petersburg, here they are, the girls are following you. no, i don't see anything wrong with that. me, but never competition or in a group or that's tough here, uh on an ongoing basis, it doesn't help me so much. i mean, i know what it is.

and yes, girls who skate and jump very cool, if i want to go to the world and european championships, i have to improve, but it’s in the environment with, training, it would really bother me, it seems to me, because i can’t, apparently, i’m weak person in this regard, and i do not like to compete with someone. like, here i am and that's it, especially if you start to compare, i can't stand it. here, see how it does. i can just get off the ice better and it’s better for me never to say such things, what motivates you when you are scolded a little bit by the coach or vice versa, you are more praised. praise me at all is not very not very good. i somehow relax, apparently, but at the same time, the chief is doing something very competently. he praises at that very moment, he doesn’t do it so often, but

just so clearly that it gives me, on the contrary, inspiration, and he can scold, just make me do something. uh, but very politely, that is, yell at me or swear in some way. well, it's better not to do that. but it's polite. well, it is necessary to roll back arbitrarily. well, the season is coming soon. well, that is, now there is no such thing, and i am like that. well, yes. yes, yes. good. and so we have everything very tactfully. let's explain what the chef is with figure skating? this is alexei nikolaevich mishin, our professor. the legend of the coaching workshop. and he also behaves with boys, and therefore alexey nikolaevich has no girls, except for you. m hmm i don't know why we have a slightly different approach as boys. i think it's still there tougher he can and jokes are tougher, but

apply to them, but it works and it doesn’t unsettle anyone, therefore, the boys. in principle, it seems to me that they are more stable, in general, to some kind of uh external factor. and when they have competition, that too. it seems to me, it helps them, because now we have four cool boys riding in a group. and motya zhenya semenenko and gleb lutfullin and mishka yes, and they did one quadruple among themselves there, the other will go, thursday will do and this is good for them. ah well, good workout good motivation to be better. and this is your new friend. he told me in an interview. tell another new friend appeared. who else besides motik?

someone four-legged and phoebe bought a dog for your scottish retriever before the summer, an amazing girl, it’s just a one-on-one character, in my opinion, she hates me too, if you raise her voice a little there, she will immediately go to dirty tricks . you don't have to talk to me like that. but if a girl is polite, well, you can’t eat from the table, but you’re a smart girl. you know everything, she sits, then, i’m smart, i won’t, but as soon as your attention is switched somewhere else, you immediately switch the dog. thief. included in honor of the character. yes, this one too. and where does the spitz live at mom's house. and how did she survive? that you replaced her with another younger one, crossing all my love, when i come to my mother to my sister, i give all my love. uh, kokoshi, and when i come to phoebe i give everything love to phoebe klax. i don't know how it happened. that's it,

are you planning to collect the entire cast of the series friends you see dogs. eh, not yet, not yet. i i want a lot of love to be given to my dogs by my house. and when you have a tongue, who watches his dog, that is, does not walk, eh? we will not go into details, what brought? well, let's talk a little about the show, how you are in addition to the financial component. how much do you like how you like yourself to say you get high from the fact that you are doing a show is not crazy, well, now in general, in principle, yes, i said it. ah. it seems to me, that's one share, that's some tenth percent motivation is to earn a name for yourself, that's

to perform, i found a lot, because i really like it, the audience is always very warm and you can try different creative images. it's not so tired and you don't worry as much as in competitions and the company is always nice usually, that's why the show. it's cool that they exist, that they are, that you can earn money on them. the world championship with websites has just ended and you watched how boys and girls ride the last warm-up or two warm-ups, right? well, you understood that you would be with your rental let's even start in russia would be the world champion. well, history doesn't have subjunctive moods, but in principle, yes, one could ask this question. why are they there here, i would skate. i would be world champion. or you just watched asking yourself these questions.

if you want, i don’t know, uh, to immerse yourself or dig deeper into your soul, then you can talk about it, but i don’t like to do it, so it’s sense to ask such questions, because you won’t solve anything by this, but you won’t improve it in any way. eh, your condition. you will only make it worse for yourself, but naturally, we understand that if tough girls performed there, then the results would be slightly different. but there is as it is, i ride. went well too. i live all right. you know that you are an idol for a lot of foreign athletes, and they will always say hello when they are asked about russian figure skaters and so on. well, i'm crazy. it's nice how idol idol is. i don't know, it seems to me that this is very rare, but i am pleased that even now there is a certain communication between athletes from different countries because it shows as well. well,

after all, we are all one such big figure skating rink, well, the family is loudly said, but we can be called as communities, well, we are still a community. yes, we follow each other , we support somehow, we empathize, and for me personally this is important. i was extremely pleased when i found out that someone was saying hello there. it's nice and it's important to me. lisa thank you very much, we expect surprises from you good luck in the new season. thank you for finally getting there. i think, that we chatted cool fun. thank you very much again. thank you, the conversation turned out, in general, as 1 minute flew by unnoticed, a lot of topics were touched upon. interesting, some. i'm in a stupor. you introduced me, but in general yes, very cool, a good project. thank you.