it will increase the maximum, for this they all love adventures. you understand that a person who is afraid or does not like adventures. he will never go instead with uh, extreme conditions. and yet, if i honestly admit to myself, now, if everything is the same the same benefit for world knowledge. it was possible to bring it without getting into an extreme place for you and these people would be interesting, right? it seems to me that this is impossible. well, well, there is less and less space. here antarctica space is already in siberia already such that it is already possible to land a helicopter and most of hmm i think this is a delusion, but i'm sure that we still have enough space and time to discover the earth in a new way, including remote places , and here places are difficult conditions that require such people who are ready to take risks . to go somewhere and

gain new knowledge on earth there are plenty of such places in this and the north. this is the depth of the ocean ocean. i don't think there are enough plans. eh, somewhere the mariana hollow. there is not yet somewhere else, not yet, but i do not know what will happen next. this is also a whole cosmos, there is a huge underworld. there are speleologists in the cave going to the caves i've already been, but i'm still happy probably this is also its own world, which cavers follow. it is insanely interesting with its peculiarities of the rules , and it is impossible to gain knowledge without going to such places, and therefore people who are inquisitive on the one hand, any scientist, inquisitive person who loves adventure. he is an inquisitive curiosity. it's in our genes. try to find out what's around the corner, and find out, personally, i'm sure that scientists who use the knowledge that we have brought them. they would be happy, perhaps,

to go to antarctica and into space, if their health allowed them, or it would not be so dangerous and scary, but this knowledge is so valuable. here, how many meteorites did you manage to get, and we brought, uh, a very interesting sample for them, which ruslan kolonin found and initially. we were practically sure that it was a meteorite, but for this it was necessary to conduct a lot of research and we brought this sample to the ural federal university studies were also carried out at the kazan federal university on equipment on a complex one, and it turned out that it was not possible to reliably confirm that it was a meteorite, because there were no samples that could be compared . but scientists could not say what kind of earthly parody it refers to. that is, it turns out that this is a sample of suvis and this is also very interesting. it's like a presicon in a fairy tale. i don’t know how to look for

meteorites in general. there marina marina is a pile of bulk stones that the glacier brought from just to the continent, this is it. uh, the most interesting glacier collects everything that meets the movement. including everything that falls on it from above, reaching a certain point. he brings it all to the surface. well , we can sit, marina look. we have the suburbs anywhere here. as meteorites are found there, you need to look for what they look like. for what is there in abundance. hmm , you have to come to the place, fly to the place. and carefully study what materials are on site, what the arena consists of and for those who have never done it. it's generally difficult. but how to find a meteorite when you don’t understand what it looks like, then you get used to the rock that you have. and after some time , you begin to notice with your eyes that, unlike most

stones, they tried to create a robot that would analyze visually, they tried to create devices that would determine where the meteorite was with the help of a magnetic field, but it turned out to be an analysis. works that are better than the human eye there are no tools of the human eye and plus brain analytical ability is the best most efficient way to find meteor. well, it’s not today, after all, the intellect is boring, then, yes, the kinel of fear of robots that you will not be needed, because it’s still easier to send to antarctica into space. deep ocean some kind of iron machine, first, not so sorry. we do so and the robot is needed, where uh, at the moment we use. there are routine operations. well, in order not to waste human time, or where a person is extremely dangerous. in general, what will refuse such people who are dangerous places

prepared that they will be needed. i think that there will be some kind of symbiosis here, because a person because of his curiosity. never turn down the opportunity to go where he has never been before. well, robots are not much faster than you and i, aren't there? here are the fears that you will not need your skills. the director talked to scientists who give the task of the rover, because when the rover explores the surface of mars, it performs, uh, a certain algorithm laid down from the ground and these algorithms are, and are created with the help of scientists geologists, including hemomorphologists of everyone who explores mars and i, when talking to one of the scientists, he said, if there was, uh, a geologist, he would . everything that the rover did in a year, probably completed weeks in three is clear, it is clear that

now compared to the rover, that's better, but literally in 5 years here. well, i'm like a journalist. i thought it was cool nonetheless. i can quickly rewrite any text now this same gpt chat takes. instead of me came up with edit and do it share seconds a year ago there was no such advanced. you are not afraid that robots will appear in your area, which will better take samples from mars. feels the magnetic field finer . it determines iron meteorites in antarctica and , most importantly, if anything happens to them. yes , of course it's expensive. well, it’s kind of a pity that’s right, but it’s very difficult for me now to limit it. and those fields where the robot is useless in this regard, because there are still such fields, but still robots in this regard. they, uh, help us. not competing, i would be so said, that is, they do, they help to do some work more efficiently. this

means that we must take on the work that the robot cannot yet do corny. this is like an example with a dishwasher, after all, she washes dishes better than we do, but we don’t worry about this and use these benefits, but nevertheless fears. this is the case for people and creative professions and people who are engaged in analytics. and that they will remain not the lot of some professions, in the end, as with the technical revolution, some professions may disappear. i mean about your professions. well, then you can ask a question. and how to send the robot to that place of the initial data, which is not there, and make it work there. no, wait, in space, there is one. well, one of the more obvious goals is to land on mars. why risk humans when you can send a more advanced robot there? the thing is, eh? well, maybe you can. then an advanced robot can do it, there now hypothetically reasoning is omitted. well i have us

everything, as i understand it, the uh project will do what we came up with here in a comfortable chair in a comfortable chair and based on our conclusions that we made here, and not on the spot. i remind you of the schrödinger code podcast and i am its host grigory tarasevich , along with my co-host the bar cat. well , we also have a wonderful guest hero of russia pilot cosmonaut sergei kut sverchkov how do you see yourself in the future? here you will continue to perform feats and get into adventures. i believe that they are adventures in life. each of us in one way or another. and most importantly, approach them responsibly, that is, astronauts and scientists who go on polar expeditions. these are not the kind of people who can be called adventurers. and we always think through all the steps we try to think through, of course there is a degree

of uncertainty, there is always a plan b and if plan b does not work, there must be a plan for the price , at least a plan, how to return home. everyone has it, uh, people who can be called travelers, and uh, lovers, adventures of any adventure has excitement search for meteorites. there is excitement you will find you will find you will have to be unlucky with the weather. well , even if we're not lucky, we're still ready for plan b, or maybe an adventure without -35 e space cold. e meteorites here are these chair and thinks, here is his thought. could be an adventure. i think yes, if you do analytical work and come across thoughts. but what if, that is, to ask such a question, to which there is no obvious answer and which involves several options for solving hypothetical ones. that is, a puzzle, the puzzle is a mental adventure is a gamble scientists frequency gamblers who

stumble upon some solution. ah, in hard work in mental work and these decisions. and they try to test a true hypothesis, an incorrect hypothesis. it's also an adventure. because when you check something, you may come across something unpredictable, but in general, all these adventures are more needed. to whom the hero himself, who floats flies and so on. i think it's mutual. why because, and there are people who love adventures and there are people who who are not very fond of adventure. but they need to get some data. are these people going to be just cosmonauts or workers? the polar stations of the antarctic they say we are ready to set off. to distant lands they are told, you should not just go. you should still enjoy the bring. well, in fact, they all want it, and the cosmonauts of the glade themselves want

to be useful, so this is a symbiosis. e man. again, returning first is a person who does not like adventure. he will never go there, but certainly all love to read about adventures. even those who are afraid to go somewhere. why because he himself seems to be turning into a hero, and why are so few people who read faithful and other adventure authors so few get into the cosmonauts or antarctica that they stop people for fear of lack of money, it can be and fear is banal, it can be self-doubt . well, maybe a person might think i definitely won't succeed. and he won’t even try to do this, by the way, the secret lies, not having time for very many. ah. it could also be health. those who try. they cannot for some formal signs of education. health, a person wants. to try, but he does not have the necessary qualities in order to formally go into space, or to the antarctic station, it may be there, probably, domestic reasons, and financial ones

can generally be on adventures. well, not something to be golden, at least to detain the family. i know that i am absolutely sure, and based on my communication with e, non-polar explorers and with astronauts, that the people who go on these tactical space expeditions are people who definitely don't go there for money. well, astronauts can not contain this, yes, members of the antarctic expedition. i think too, yes, here, but the risks that u have in these u expeditions. of course, they probably do not cover the finances with which they are provided well, tasty. you flew to antarctica and went further, where did you go? what are your upcoming boards so far to prepare for the next flight into space, but still , space flight is a certain responsibility and it cannot be said that a can be homeless rush into some kind of expeditions, because

these things are risky. and uh, preparation is the most important priority. e flights into space, and then you fly again, probably, some kind of far in the future. i don’t know if you fly to mars or god forbid yourself. and what's more, what kind of dreams do you have, if your dreams start right at all, like, uh, we love, and this is actually very correct. that, of course, is the depth. the depths of the oceans, because there is little research on this and underground spaces. these are the poles. it is possible that there are some places that are less much less extreme much more interesting and er, for example, i participated in one expedition in the eastern sayans a few years ago, and it was an expedition to find new er, caves of karst cavities. and uh, this is an extraordinary feeling, when you open a new cavity, a new cave, you go there

, you find traces of the life of some cave animals and you understand that you are the first person in general who appeared here, who saw with his own eyes before you, nobody knew about it , no one saw it. it's an amazing feeling, even if it's little opening, well here's the man. unfortunately, we are coming to an end and i somehow want you, i don’t know life advice for those who watch us, how to become a participant in the adventure while bringing benefits, but a huge number of different expeditions, and in which participants are actually required, a i ended up on an antarctic expedition, but relatively by accident, but i had mountaineering experience. that is what was needed. that is, if some kind of background, but the other one, you need to have some kind of background. yes, you need to have some background absolutely, or a scientific background. or, well, that is, some kind of hiking, yes, in extreme activities, because the expedition

is always like an uncomfortable place in the sky. i will give through the forests through the deserts. want. i want to bring new knowledge to the world, you can start from the simplest, just with an ordinary participant, and i actually participated, as an ordinary part, but, despite the fact that i have a background, this is an astronaut, but when you go on an expedition, you were on an expedition to uninhabited islands. i was as usual, a field worker collecting samples, but this required several skills. this climber's skill is the skill of working rather with scientific equipment. that is, it was necessary to be able to take samples aseptically, all this knowledge was accumulated that i was simply offered to go on an expedition. and also, probably, everyone has some kind of background that can be useful specifically on expeditions, but still, from the point of view of the family, there will be google. well, most people have a wife, you have

two children, you say no, i won’t go. i'm with i'll go with you in case. i'm not touched to search for distant mountains. e islands. i don't know how to combine it. here agree yes no, and i'm talking about the fact that it is always. well, not just because she is a family, that is, a family that you should not care about and be with her, but nevertheless people who go on expeditions. they are without this activity. the spouse cannot live either. children. they are well aware that this person cannot sit still. well, how do i e at first it was not easy, but then e wife. i just realized that i can't let go. thanks a lot. unfortunately. it is necessary to finish with you there was a refusal. here's schrödinger and i'm the leader of his chief gift of popular science. noah magazine here is oneger grigory tarasevich my knowledgeable very smart calm cat bar. thank you thank

you sergey. the chinese sage confucius said that studying and not thinking is an empty occupation, but thinking and not studying is a dangerous occupation. hello, today we gathered our thoughts about what kind of education we need valery aleksandrovich fadeev adviser president of the russian federation konstantinovich mogilevsky deputy minister of education and science, dear friends. i am glad to welcome you good mood good theme. you know, since the ministry of education science. i want to start with one quote about science. konstantin nikolaevich leontiev once said that science should develop in a spirit of deep contempt for

its practical usefulness. i would like to ask you to comment on this phrase to reflect. as far as valensievich can agree with her, there are one very rational consideration in response to reproaches that the fundamental sciences. eating a lot of money is the idea that max faraday recaptured all investments long ago. these are the people who were involved in electricity and actually provided a giant technological breakthrough with their fundamental research. science, fundamental gives most often a huge return. maybe not in a year or two, maybe in 50, but there is a return, well, i completely agree. there are different expressions that science is uh the way he satisfies his curiosity at public expense. e, but of course, there is fundamental science, there is applied science, the line between them is mobile.

eh, and there would be no applied science, there would be no new solutions for technical solutions without fundamental discoveries, but even closer with the help of an example. here is our famous compatriot. recently, 66 lives already once ivanovich yes nobel laureate, well, quite a discovery. actually, connected with semiconductors and all modern gadgets. uh, phones use those discoveries based on them that zharos ivanovich made. whether he then about it, but, of course not. this was the development of fundamental science. you know, that's all the same for me. here is leontiev's idea. why did i start with him? it seems to me that it’s not even about the differences in fundamental applied science, but about in what sense is the meaning of education valuable knowledge in general, because i recently did it here and with great pleasure we began to implement a new program for children in sirius and when we

wrote it. my colleagues and i were sitting and i was driven to the wall, er, with practical results. i fight back said knowledge. this is generally a value in itself a person, there seekers of the truth. and here, including on this topic. i would like to talk today, so there is a magnificent saying about it. according to the historian arnold toynbed, the goal of education is not mercantile, but religious in the broadest sense of the word, religious, and only then does education really work. it kind of creates a real person. well, in alexandrovich, as i understand it, including being inspired by these thoughts, the cabinet. you recently posted, as is now customary to speak a program article about education in the russian newspaper. i would even like to quote the classic so to speak, with your permission, of course, yes. we already remember everything, we are all the more so because you have already quoted him. a new education system needs a far-sighted plan now a person enjoying, consuming a person

who is being manipulated needs a person who is a whole knowing creator, eh. so free only skills and competencies. they won't take it out here. we need to build the foundation of a future integral society. here we could not would you like to say a few words on this subject. and in general, why are you writing the article for what and what worries you most of all? the world is at a huge turning point, first of all, western civilization. it has completed the 600-year cycle of its development. i didn't come up with this, it's still a spenger, but in fact it's the best. this is our compatriot american and russian-american sociologist. peter rome sorokin of course this is an idea that has been an idea for many years. and what peter rim sorokin wrote about in the middle of the last century literally comes true. a what will happen next and this confident that this is our future to a large extent depends on what our children will be, our grandchildren from

education, they will be mercantile or they will think broadly from here. i hmm come to a simple idea. and this idea is not my three institutions of knowledge of the world, science, art. here an educated person should understand how these institutions are arranged. what language do they speak, for the last 200-300 years, science has supplanted religion, and once again here, so that the audience understands me correctly. i do not even i'm talking about the need for the law of god in school, or vice versa, if there is no muslim, but scientific understanding. yes, of course, ways of knowing the world, well, of course, which has its own language, its own methods, its own goals, of course, the best scientific book on this topic was written by sociologists e. durheim. uh, more than 100 years ago elementary forms of religious life. i don't even know if he was an emilbergian believer,

but the book is great, it talks about how religion is at the core of society, both ancient australian and modern, because the ideas are the same, why don't they tell schoolchildren and students about this? of course, a very broad understanding of religion, but we won’t say now or now, that’s how difficult the position of an official, but that you now occupy, allows you to deal with the topic that we started talking about is philosophy and education and should officials of the ministry of education deal with science it is precisely the philosophy of education or, after all , the task of the ministry to solve to a greater extent, well, some applied things that without which will not spin, here. i can talk about the tasks that not only our leadership sets before us, the government of russia, but in general about the tasks that, probably, each of us must set for ourselves, and in this sense,

it seems, any official should think a phrase. she didn't sound like thinking about the future too, uh, while the ministry of science of higher education should certainly think about the future, because hmm it's about. eh, maybe everything is in our very distant future, but what about the time when our children, who are now get an education, graduate, that universities will determine the reality in which our country will exist, but there is another set of tasks quite right. he was noticed. this is to ensure the current functioning of the image. a system to ensure the interests of our citizens, but let's put ourselves in the place of any parent who thinks about the fate of his child, who now needs to go to university. he what does he think that man, that he should get

an education find a normal job grow up to be a decent worthy person and based on these considerations ensuring the interest of the people. we must ensure the quality of education that meets the needs of the labor market. we must implement educate. well, we can't function. yes, at the university to instill, uh, a person's conscience or some of these or those moral qualities. but we can try to develop them. this is also an important task of higher education. and so, well, the search, uh, for a balance between such visionary aspirations and the solution of the task of today, in this big account, is the reality in which the ministry lives, but look here. this balance i agree, but it seems to me that the imbalance is so great when my classmate wanted a senior. if so, i'm just like this eighth grader says i don't need literature. i need math and russian, because i'll be running my dad's

business for 14 years. this is a sentence for you and me friends. yes, because we have brought them to a point where at the age of 14 a child already thinks so, but aleksandrovich here are some really wonderful things that you write, how, uh, how, how to implement them? it's a major rebalancing of everything. well i'm about balance also agrees, but that's what we have on the scales and i want to recall another classic. this is yan kamensky, this is the great yang kamensky who came up with the idea of ​​creating a school lessons classes that still exist for more than three centuries. this is a great man who invented the school. so yankommensky wrote about the goal of education education should after all, a person to eternal life, well, i do not call. here's to translate education. in this form , i don’t know that the monks there, uh, it means they taught children, but what, although there for centuries, it was scale. what do you understand?

of course, i answer that this is not the management of my father's business. that is why there are 350 years of the school that kamensky created, because he set ambitious goals for himself, grandiose, we do not have enough scale . well, let's take a swing at creating a new world for centuries, so that it is strong, fair, as far as possible and smart. well, you know, i still remember even more ancient things, when many realities associated with education were born. these are the greeks who, as you know, not only did not know that they were ancient, but they also did not have the word culture, and he had a word on the idea. which we can translate as education and upbringing. yes, and as a culture, what is paydaya payday - this is the ideal that we strive for, that we want to achieve. this is the upbringing of the ancient greek. yes, this is the peak to be climbed. and it

seems to me that the pragmatization of education today. it has created a significant imbalance. you are right about your parents, but we really should to be guided by these wishes of the parents and the employer is also a matter of simply ignoring them, we cannot and cannot. no , it can't, but that's exactly what i'm talking about. hmm, we must consider the interests of those who live. today i think about you the future, and think about those who will live tomorrow think about our country in 20-30-50. there's 100 years of running daddy's business. this is not a sign of today. the driver will take you anywhere. it's something else, basically the same thing. undergrowths, uh, who think that everything is given to them when there is not enough some kind of family upbringing is not enough to instill yourself from the very beginning, not only at school. especially not at the university, but in the family it is the value of knowledge, as such, e

knowledge, as elements of culture, and, if you like, vice versa. eh, culture, as an element of the idea of ​​the world. eh, worldview, after all, unless education should prepare for eternal life. well, it seems to me, hmm, not only the family, the school, the church, of course, three. here they are in this sense, probably, yes, yes, these are not alternative ways of education. yes they must have been one together, probably, of course, and then, if we remember well, educated people and the recent past and tsarist russia and actually contemporaries in our look passed educated people. they do not have a set of skills and competencies. it's something more. it's something. much more , therefore, of course, education higher education is not yesterday, neither today nor tomorrow it should and cannot be reduced to obtaining some set of competence skills. this is not

, uh, not a trade school, how nice hear it from your lips thank you. and who spoke differently for many years? it seems to me that filling out the forms every time. what skills and competencies should i teach students. i 've heard otherwise about competence. i have it in the article. i love these arguments of heisenberg the great physicist and he said hmm that in conversation with boron or other great ones also slept. yes, these were the great men of physics. this is the dawn of physics, in general, of the 20th century. he said we only then understood how the microworld works when we began to discuss it, talk about it in the language of the image in and symbols. yes, of course. at the same time, the formulas do not cancel the experiment, it does not cancel it, but images and symbols are actually the language of art and religions, including only integrity, as konstantinovich says, only integrity allows you to comprehend the truth. and

as you suggest practically that's how we should come to realize this rethinking of education is the first step. yes , you need to take the school curriculum from the first to the eleventh grade to analyze it, and since you need to add art and religion hmm cross out everything you drink. i, konstantin ilyich, consider the second step of art superfluous. how do you learn art. well, i recently read an interview with the mythie reactor. he is very proud that they have a magnificent academic choir. well, there are hardly more than 100 people. well, how much is not 200 for this, how to teach the arts is an even more difficult question. but as for religions and what i see today, this is not what i intuitively imagine should be at school, mmm and or in the knot in the ultrasound there is nothing special, but it will be necessary to add no, even here

there, uh, i studied at the physicotechnical institute. it was a magnificent university. there, of course, in my opinion, not enough was not enough. do not know how now lips unitary constituents of education, of course, is not enough. we must try decisively as a first step to present a different program of school education. just scratched. i found out when i took up this topic. for example, in the course of foreign school literature, all literature is western european american. but there is actually, china japan is the arab world. i write there experts believe that poetry reached its peak precisely in the arab world in the thirteenth century and that's cooler than poetry. i don't understand what the experts say, in short, it's difficult, probably, the scale of some kind of proposal is possible, but nonetheless. and why our children do not know about these peaks, it is necessary that every educated person knows the peaks.

here is the pinnacle of alive pisi. here's the pinnacle of poetry here's poetry sometimes it's like this, sometimes it's different hmm and, of course, you'll have to release it. and they urge to cross out the pythagorean theorem but something will have to get rid of and someone has to do this decisive step. i am ready with you. haha. well, as people who are completely irresponsible for school education. no, i say. summer is in full swing and many dream of a sunlit veranda somewhere in the country. tonight in our studios the most inveterate dachas. so i came to this cottage. and so she went raking to plant, so that later the garden bed right on the table would be apples. these are pear apples. all were eaten during this period. this is a currant part. it was necessary either to take care of the cattle or it was necessary to tie something up. i really liked this city kid birds are flying. it's a gang of half past five i

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he says, no, well, the most important teacher is the one who meets the child in kindergarten. well, the boss is still yes, but she says, then it's too late. and when they say, they come to your university. you already have gaps, which, if they exist, that is , nothing can be done, and he is absolutely right, and it seems to me that from this point of view , the prestige of the profession should be. this is how it should be a completely different pyramid. or am i wrong? well, when we remember our teachers, those who were lucky enough to have good teachers and study at the university, maybe further, then, of course, we remember our supervisors in the same row and with the first school teacher with school teachers. in due time and what a man can perceive in uh, early childhood, of course, is different from what he needs and what he absorbs 18-20 years old certainly with it. yes do not argue. at first, what do you think, but about such an accent, maybe, if you like,

on elementary school teachers. hmm, i think that all ages are important, it is important to properly distribute the load among these ages. so i know that right now in the fourth grade they teach some kind of religious subject, either the history of religion, or something else of the religious culture of soviet ethics, i’m not sure that in fourth grade child. maybe i’m not sure to understand this, maybe i need to tell something, but understanding arises later, because. i believe that the religious theme should be present for all 11 years. mm, after all, and then what they tell in the fourth grade and then forget it would be wrong there, then i must be present, i agree with you. it seems to me that at any age you can speak the question of how to speak is another turn, i want to offer you our conversation. it would seem so obvious that education is an important education - it is about the future. yes, in fact, it seems to me, it is far from obvious today. why

because even here at the level of the ministry, we are talking about there are power units there named power unit there is an economic blog. this is all correct, but it seems to me that if we are talking at length, if we are talking witticisms, then there are two main ministries in the modern structure of government. this is the enlightenment and the education of science, because here they are engaged in, that is, the sphere that determines everything, right down to whether wheat will grow in our country, whether rockets will fly, whether semiconductors were created there, in general, what the country will be like in 50,100,150 years. and now, it seems to me that despite the fact that this is sometimes declared, she has such a deep awareness that this is extremely important. well , forgive me. i don't know if it's fashionable or fashionable now for bismarck to quote that warriors are not played by generals but by schoolteachers and transitional priests. nothing has changed, and another common tale is that the president of kenadi. and when the soviet union launched a satellite or yuri gagarin said that