[000:00:00;00] that is, e chain of reds, which in general was a suicide, it turns out, yes , it gets a bullet in the stomach, and it dies, in my opinion, it’s just that it’s almost in the hands of its brother, but it falls and now, after almost 100 years, historians have found , maybe not exact right up to the very place of his burial, but the cemetery where they were buried, who died in the twentieth year in that battle, and there is now a cross and uh, it says that count andreevich tolstoy died there during the civil war . vladimir ilyich manages to escape. he boards the ship and through turkey through the gallip or through this galilean camp, it turns out in serbia in the kingdom of the servers of the croats, the slavs in migration and there in the twenties in the xx-xx. in the first year they meet in the grandson of tolstoy, their mother, their younger sister.

serbian fat serbian fat, but who lived in exile for 20 25 years, and there in exile my father was born in the twenty-third year, and then his cousins ​​were born. children. e vladimir ilyich oleg a vladimir i. i am vladimirovich ilyusha vladimirovich and my father was born in such a small town former austro-hungarians, and then later, when i went to elementary school there, but i still complained to me , i remember it very well that they didn’t let him out until the age of 5 to play with serov’s boys, because he had to learn . eh, as follows the russian language and called him nikita and it was a conscious decision of my grandfather, because he wanted only such a russian name, which there are no

other slavic languages ​​​​and damages. a little more detail about his baptism, that when they came to the orthodox church in serbia to baptize nikita, then the priest refused the prestige, because yes, he did not know any nikita. let's let nicholas go. it's kind of good there. call me whatever you want, but i will baptize, as i know, as i can, my grandfather came to e, some kind of metropolitan, that means serbian who said. i know such a russian name, you can baptize nikita and here he was baptized nikita then there is such a photograph as hmm my father is sitting with this, you see, now, i found him after the death of my father with such a tolstoy ring, where e is the coat of arms of the fat ones. that's what it means apparently he was allowed to wear. it is for photographs that pride settles like this, showing the family tolstoy's family peach, and he studied at the russian gymnasium, you understand correctly, in belgrade so that he could continue his education at the russian gymnasium of course, this was also an amazing gymnasium where many taught.

home or not? yes, it means that now, also in the twenty-third year, the ninetieth anniversary of the russian house is being celebrated. this is exactly the house , so to speak, the russian house, which was built by a russian architect, and because immigration was very large, it is believed that russian emigration to serbia was approximately 40-45.000. and the serbian king alexander received the russians with great joy , because in serbia there was a very large military immigration, and king alexander knew the russian language very well, he studied in russia in the pashinsky corps and in addition, of course, the relations of the serbs. the russians were very special and i will introduce what, of course, the serbs still remembered. uh, the liberation war in the balkans is still that war of the 19th century, which freed them from the turks from the ottoman empire, in addition,

well-educated people came to serbia. not only, but very many of these forty-fifty thousand were young people with education and skills . dad received a wonderful education and a revolutionary personality. they studied donation textbooks. and now the most interesting begins, because this here, uh, a russian pre-revolutionary boy, a native of an emigrant white environment, ends up in the soviet the union becomes a soviet student at moscow state university, and then a soviet scientist, and so on. but this is the most important thing between these two wars. yes, this is the second world war, where nikita ilyich takes an active part, as a partisan, and then as a red army soldier. and these are some completely paradoxes of history. yes, uncle's father is white, he turns red. he said somewhere about himself that i was the only tolstoy red army soldier. here's how it happened. it's absolutely amazing, of course.

the historical turn that took place in our family and this is not only about my father and not only about my grandfather and his brethren , these serbian fat russian immigration, which she does during the war. and this is also a conversation about the fact that they just managed to somehow change their fate, there was a huge will and, with the course of circumstances, of course, which would be simple if not for these two grandchildren. eh, tolstoy ilya ilyich vladimirovich my grandfather is his brother, then we would not be sitting here now, and there would be no fat people in russia. we continue. this is the podcast life of the wonderful and our guest is a wonderful journalist, tv presenter fyokla, fat, as far as i understand, russian immigration was divided into defensemen, that’s exactly how the fat treated the defensemen. and they were ardent defenders. and there is such a thing, my dad loved this one, he remembered it to quote. i don't remember, uh,

a big piece, but i remember the phrase that in émigré magazines and newspapers there was such and such a rhyme about my grandfather. well, no epigrams, it means about how he argued at all, and it was said there, so count ilya fell on him like a divine scourge ilyich ilya ilyich was a nice fellow, but at times he was simply mischievous, that's how he led the discussion. and just like that, they defended this position of the defensive word, naughty good, in general in relation to the fat. this is very general about us. lev nikolayevich wrote that there are fat wild ones for something wild . this is very much about our line and children. it is very very suitable. i smile like that, and you smile, because we imagine modern simple people who would also have such people, and i, too, of course, can be a wild shawl, but, but this is not about that now, so in my case the bombing of belgrade begins on april 6 , 1941. my father is still finishing up. this is the last

class of his gymnasium. there is a photograph of him standing in absolutely tattered rags, as thin as a stick, such a pole, because his first work. it was that he had not even finished high school yet. he dismantled the blockage, dragged bricks on the bombed-out houses of belgrade, it’s just that somehow they don’t know how they put them in order, then they turn up and leave belgrade, where they are already hungry and come to vladimir or something tolstoy, who worked as an agronomist in the city of novyi bichey, northeast of belgrade on the river bank? yes and uh, they turn out, there begins the guerrilla movement. they help the partisans and in general, probably, the idea to return to the soviet union arises already when they stay in serbia when the red red army comes, when the red army comes, firstly,

they turn out to be very useful, because they say in russian and they speak serbian vladimir ilyich knows everyone and he is very respected man. so, for example, here we have a paper where gratitude is written or to vladimir tolstoy for organizing the local population to help cross the soviet troops across the river, in my opinion there is nkvd smersh right there that they are white emigrants, that they cannot be trusted, which means all. this is wrong. everything, these stereotypes are breaking down, and people have a sense of trust or what, i can't catch when was this moment of decision making and maybe they are very they of course. but through kovaly staying at the moment when he enters the red army was, for example, in serbia, the third grandson of tolstoy, vladimir mikhailovich tolstoy, who came from paris where it was terribly hungry, and he lived in serbia, too, he was hungry, but better than in france and e , here he is before the arrival of the red army. he said that i can’t deal with the bolsheviks. i incredibly

want to go home in russia. well, i can’t imagine that i’ll be with the bolsheviks at all, like like this, like some kind of have something in common, and he left when they retreated germans, he went to paris and then went to america, and now our aunts live in america now. and i think that they were ready to cooperate with the red army when they stayed, because, in fact, it turned out to be ready to cooperate with them. and it really was a general. i'm afraid to make a mistake in his surname, who are aware of the descriptions of the meetings of the soviet general who met them and who was surprising for him. what's what here in the serbian outback, and in the balkans, two tolstoy's grandsons are doing, and apparently, this conversation. they are not just immigrants. not just white guards, they are fat and this immediately inspires trust, because whatever it is, the soviet government is such and such, but tolstoy is tolstoy is true. and, of course,

we understand what's next. i'll tell you how they got back. and how, how, how they wrote a letter to stalin and the fact that they survived and the fact that we were born, of course, this is a mirror of the russian revolution for you. played. i think it's a key key role, but that means let's go back for a minute to the new scourge and to serbia in general, and the young ones are fat. here i give it to my father, brother oleg, they are in partisan detachments, and they participate and help the red army very actively. for when there are fights, and then my father, who means 20 years old. ah, he decides that he will go further from the red army, he joins the red army, for him this is the most important uh. well, he’s just narrower and the other younger ones, in my opinion, they took him surprisingly then, his red army book is his first document, in general, he first appeared in the environment, and russian people are not

just emigrants, but russian people, so say, primordial of parents. they became emigrants, almost number 001 and 002 of those who returned, a call for return, and my grandfather has a witness certificate of a repatriate certificate number 01. babushkin has 002, dad has 0034 and so on. and when they returned in august of 1945 to the soviet union, i found it in the country and could not understand what kind of strange newspapers with some insignificant articles. something my dad is there something there, well, there is no big reason to write something. it was such a pr-company that showed how wonderful. but even former white guards live in the soviet country, even former monarchists, because this letter is wonderful. of course, they wrote a letter. we former monarchists were guards - this was in the first line of this letter. we want to return to a outside, the amazing story

that you remember telling me when they arrived by train at the belorussky railway station and they were met by anna ilyinichna's aunt , the first thing she told them when they were so elated patriotic. they went out to the platform and returned to their native land. im told be silent, be silent, yes, that is, they had to fit into this soviet reality, which is not at all the same as it was dirty to them. yes, of course, and this is the remembrance of oleg and oleg vladimirovich tolstoy , which peter tells about this, and this, probably, largely determined them and their future life at that moment when they returned. in russia, he was still in the red army , but then he succeeded. uh, in september already to join, he received the appropriate permission and entered the moscow university. it was also interesting uh, front-line soldiers without any exams, but he was a little late. i had to go to the rector

of the university. and e. it's also interesting that my father really wanted to do it. e history, but my grandfather understands that, well, as if what the soviet union is in general, he once said, no, history cannot be dealt with as an ideological science, then my father said. well, you know how i love literature, how i love poetry. we started to adore poetry simply and brilliantly knew the poetry of the silver age, because all this was available in exile all these publications and pre-revolutionary immigrant he. eh, how he was millions to me, this love attracted me, when here even this name was simply forbidden, and on this my grandfather also says no. and this is impossible, because this is not yet ideological. well, okay. well, at least i can study languages. well, this is possible. yes? it was before it becomes therefore, and therefore he becomes a linguist. he enters the philological faculty, but then he enters the slavic department. uh, exactly, because

this is this idea of ​​being russian and ideas study e roots, but still russian slavic culture. he was very little interested in any german studies or any french novels at all. and this and this is very very clear from his biography of a child born in a foreign land. but still, of course, this is a brilliant pro-slavist, because and he is a complete billing, he knows perfectly well. uh, serbian speaks like russian, he studies bulgarian at the faculty of philology. he knows the russian tradition. he writes works on his old slavonic language. trying devoted to the old church slavonic language a brilliant scientific career. he never made a career. it's his very very little differently. and of course, he became an academician and there he entered the president of the academy of sciences, he knew some posts there, but it's true , it all became, perhaps after the end

of soviet power, because he was not a member of the party, therefore, but pravda he was allowed to teach at the university and there, fortunately, at the philological faculty, where you studied and listened to lectures. dad, after all, not everyone had to be party, and they were free and he had the opportunity. he was at the slavyanov institute. these are not half studies, where he worked all his life, he had a group, which was from his students. e, basically consisted of and and. in general, dad created such his own scientific scientific school and his own such direction in very much like linguistics. well, it's interesting that he had a very ok , uh, outlook, and that's exactly what he uh, then he began to deal with it exactly like that at the junction of different uh different disciplines. what was his attitude towards soviet life anyway? soviet realities, so he was to some extent connected there with dissidents or with all this, and there he thought about all this, there, i don’t know, there

shalamov akademiksarov was a colleague. somehow, these topics appeared in the house of a dissident - this is such an active civic position. my father's position was that he lived, as if not noticing soviet power. yes, i understand very well, i am fully aware that you need to be allowed to do this , that when they arrived in forty, five , they found themselves in a log, because many we turned out to be such a happy family that no one was at the head of us and, of course, the figure of lev nikolaevich as a classic of russian literature and took the mirror of the russian revolution. she saved us, this must be understood, that is, my father had the privilege and yi and takes such a position. he's just really lucky. nah , his life is incredible. it worked out well , relatively speaking, well, somehow, probably, they tried several times, but it was clear that it was useless, you understand? it's also a story like this. eh, that's lived up to revolution, then a tragedy happened, then they lived abroad. and for them

, the feeling of russia was that everything will pass, power will pass , such power will pass another, and russia will remain, and when my mother remembers. yes , because my mother is a soviet person. she was born. uh, she was not in any emigration in moscow, and she asked. she says, here i am young still asked ilya ilyich e, the grandfather of my very white officer, immigrants and so on. she asked. and what do you think about soviet power, and it is very so calmly said, well, it's all going to collapse. and when? well, here's another 20 15 20 will pass, it will all collapse. he did not live to see the number 70, but collapsed. exactly then, approximately, when he and he said, why did she ask. my mother, he said, everything is rotten, and my father, but he, as it were, lived, as if outside of soviet reality , not outside of politics. no, of course, in the evenings and all the time we lived under these voices and so on, but it was clear that, uh, that, that you can

do your job from the soviet, from the soviet power, so somehow from the students communicate, and this, of course, is a departure into such linguistics and into very specific dust studies, as well as in. eh, of course. dad might have written more about software and some as a very religious person and studied the old slavonic language, of course, he probably would have written more on these topics, would have been more involved in this, if there was an opportunity, but somehow and this is what i know. descendants of tolstoy are often asked how were you brought up? here, what kind of special upbringing you had there, and so on i understood, what are your families? i can’t say anything, but now i understand what kind of upbringing was the main idea in upbringing was. what happiness that we are in russia what happiness? what is it, that we are here and he just talked about it almost every day when in

the nineties i studied at the philological faculty. and well, if i say 2/3 - that would be , uh, an understatement, well, almost my entire course is gone, then somehow i want to go to paris for an internship, an interesting world is opening up. maybe i can learn a little there. well , of course, come, please, well, you remember we have made our choice. and, of course, it's a huge stroke of luck, because i can't imagine that they would have stayed. they would not stay in serbia, they would go to serbia. they are further west, but i very much doubt what we my father would have done. it’s not even that he would become an academician, but he would just do as much as he managed to do if he were at an american university or or in a french one, that is, russia gave him fate, of course, and that’s it. here is his father. that is, that is my grandfather and his brother. uh, of course they couldn't, maybe be so hard to judge? i have never seen them, they could not, probably, fully

realize themselves, because these 25 years in exile have been a very hard life and somehow. well , of course, they dreamed of returning. they returned soon and they were already 50 years old. yes, to someone , uh, that is, the main part of life has already passed, although they were still very happy in russia . here is my father, who came, he was 22, of course, he made it. and this is a great happiness. this is a big. uh, huge task. thank you very much, dear thekla, but this wonderful conversation, and it was a podcast. life is wonderful and i am alexei varnov with you, and my guest was fyokla, a fat, well-known russian journalist, tv presenter and daughter of nikita, or tolstoy's chat, about which we