you, of course, and all crew members they undergo periodic training once a year, at least. and this training, including including medical training, is taught by pilots to flight attendants about diseases and how to treat them. well, how to give first aid and there are uh, first aid kits on the plane. hmm , there are enough first aid kits with a lot of medicines, and rodniki and the pilots themselves know how to provide first aid. no, why am i asking? naturally, i know about it. and there were several cases when childbirth took place in the air. special styling for childbirth on an airplane and still live happily, born in the sky, fortunately, there were difficult cases and there were heart attacks. well, the mass

of the situation, but the main task is to drag it to the ground. uh, that is, to stop the attack, because especially, uh, they won’t be able to do the operation, even, of course, they won’t be able to do it. well, how can this happen if a person becomes ill as a passenger or maybe even the pilot is tired and ill, this also happens. well, there's always a second pilot in the cockpit, uh, that person who feels unwell is suspended from work and flight attendants determine how to give first aid, huh? they ask if there are medical workers among the passengers , they can also be involved in first aid and you can contact the dispatcher on the ground so that hmm, the corpse on the plane is also not a doctor to consult with a doctor. and if a person, well, was given an anesthetic pill, it became better, then you can continue the flight or the pressure has decreased.

it is better to continue the flight to the destination airport, but if suddenly a person is completely bad, then an emergency landing is carried out at the nearest airport, and then an ambulance arrives at the plane, which you have already finished. i first studied as a therapist, then as a cardiologist, working in karkada animation. and i was offered a job at an airline. i agreed and i am asking for retraining in aviation space medicine for 4 months and i got a certificate of a doctor and space medicine. uh, a very interesting page in a very interesting format in this field of space medicine. this is a completely different area. formally the specialty is called a doctor in aerospace medicine. i understand, but nevertheless with such a certificate. you can work there too, but still these are different doctors

, those people who work with pilots as ordinary pilots. and those who train astronauts. they don't even touch, practically the requirements for pilots and astronauts. it's clear. that's why i'm asking, have you said goodbye to space medicine or is it still somewhere nearby. no, we are far from each other. tell e you never dealt with a problem that is always psychological crew compatibility. i have not personally dealt with this problem. but, and this is really a large area or research and hmm previously , even when compiling the crew, the flight headquarters took into account the conclusion of a psychologist. who can be combined with each other, no one, and even some were not put on the same crew now

this is not always the case. well, he just plans, who has a medical clearance for flight, then they are put in one. well, this is a very narrow specialization is psychology. yes, yes, it is psychology that deals with psycho. uh conducts special tests and, based on the results of these tests, the psychotype of a person is determined. well, people can just say that we will not work with each other, this also happens, it happens, of course, huh? you are related to, let's say, to such a parameter as a person was a co-pilot. and now he has to become the commander of an aircraft, besides skill, besides flight, besides practice, besides craft, this is psychology, he takes on another responsibility. there is a difference in determining the degree of the ability of the kvs to work.

here he was the co-pilot. and now he must stand someone one of the doctors confirms. yes, maybe, or this is a purely technical point . a person, when promoted, goes to a psychologist who conducts certain tests, they look at how developed his intellect is. uh, how good is his professional quality and makes a decision. can a person be an aircraft commander? this is a standard procedure a person always goes to a psychologist before he is promoted to the position of the dic this is a standard procedure. she's always been like that with us. yes, that is, always any pilot , no matter how many raids he has. no matter how many hours he spent in the air training from a simple flight pilot. there, the co-pilot of the lineman, he should become an fac, he goes to a psychologist. some people fly

co-pilot all their lives, but they have yes, they do their job as a co-pilot well, but take responsibility even more responsibility and lead the crew. uh, the commander's pilot is the leader. uh, the most important person in flight time. eh, some people can't. say leg, higher commission. uh, you have a special hospital, yes, we are located in the sokolniki central economic hospital for civil aviation which are necessary. and there is already a whole central flight commission. and that is, i understand one, there is my hospital and

central flight commission. how many people, well, suppose that our listeners imagine the amount of work that comes to you per day. how many people come to the examination, well, approximately 10 15 20 15 10 15, depending on what even the season is, and in the summer there are many pilgrims who usually contest a lot on new year's, because, well, people need to extend their e, medical permits and a lot usually a lot in the spring because there are seasonal jobs, for example, uh, a lot of private pilots or commercial pilots do evolutionary chemical works or, uh, fly uh, to fires, and they only work in the summer. and the truth yes, yes, yes. or, for example, there are many charter flights

in the summer, because the season is in pieces and then, well, the pilots must be in line, they try to get through . for example, in the winter. to simplify, it means that not only scheduled civil aviation pilots come to you, look at the ministry of emergencies, probably too. they must also have a permit from the ministry of emergency situations, if they fly from ordinary civil aircraft, yes, we periodically pass, uh, including the pilot of the ministry of emergency situations, but you said, it must be practically combat work. this is a separate department of the ministry of emergency situations. yes, they are closer to the military area, and they, among other things, undergo a medical military medical commission, but since they fly from civilian airports, they must

have a civilian medical clearance. now the suit is still one specialization in aviation, which is completely incomprehensible to me. no, that is, i know. how do people work, but what do they do, and how do they withstand this load? i don't understand the controller at all. yes, the dispatcher depends no less than on the pilot and the dispatcher is a separate one, well , training takes place and at the same time the dispatcher must. pass the flight commission in the same way as yours or yours, that is, all pilots, private pilots, navigators, flight control pilots of ultralight aircraft and

air traffic controllers must pass. uh, testimony to the doctors of the take-off commission. but controllers have their own health requirements they have a slightly different requirements for vision, for example, slightly different requirements for e, psychological selection and controllers hmm commission it takes place a little less often than because a person is always on the ground and in which case he can be provided with medical assistance. if something happens to him, if something happens to him, god forbid, he has 50-60 sides in the picture. well, he can always be replaced. uh, i understand the person who is sitting next to me, but uh, the tension is a huge tension, there is a huge one and the dispatchers, so as not to accumulate. uh, this is

psycho-emotional stress so that they can rest with them for extended vacation periods. and they have, uh, a room psychological relief, what does it mean? it's right here in the control room. and there is a special room where the dispatcher, if he is tired, he can leave and that sofa is thermal, where you fish swim. yes machine with coffee and tea, sofa comfortable. uh, just sit for hours with your eyes closed to relax. let's get back to your work. we talked about coming, she releases. here's a man unlearned let's say 5 years. and now he needs to get a license or a diploma again, he must pass your commission when a person enters an educational institution. he is also witnessed annually

and in his senior year. he is also undergoing a medical examination and is also being examined by a psychologist in order to determine whether a person can still be allowed to fly an aircraft or be a dispatcher and also tests his psychology at graduation. i can imagine what a tragedy it is to unlearn and then suddenly it turns out that you are not allowed to work; this rarely happens, but it happens. but this is something incredible tragedy, generally speaking, if a person wanted to be connected with aviation, this is really a tragedy. well, it happens when people come to aviation because their relatives work in this area and so after school they told me to do the same they visit doctors, sometimes you graduate from medical school and you do n’t work as a doctor for a single day . and after a while, like, i

recovered. i can come again, there in six months in a year to say. well , yes, of course, but there is a case when, for example, a person is declared unfit for work, he is sent for treatment, and if the treatment was successful, he can undergo a second one. testify and be allowed to work. this happens often enough. in our work, almost every day we send someone to be treated or recover after the check has been. and in the hospital it happens and outpatients can be treated. it's just that some other hospital has never encountered anything so extraordinary, an acute case in your work. well, he comes to us for witnessing. and well, it does happen. this witnessing is extraordinary if a person falls ill, well, for example, it happens after

such a heart attack also happens or people come to us after a stroke. they are most often recognized as unsuitable. and if time passes, then they can be allowed to work on a stroke, they understand. and that after a heart attack, they sometimes recover so that cell work is allowed now, yes, and even after a heart operation, there may be a permit to work, if i have such patients quite often, if a person has large atheroscopic plaques, uh, in the vessels of the heart there put in a stand or maybe even performed a bypass in open surgery and a person. a year can be allowed after shunting. yes, if everything is in order, if, uh , all hmm, the person’s indicators will be normal, if the operation was normal, if there are no complications, if the heart is working , the blood supply is good, yes, let’s assume? let me

want to ask you. i understand that there is a time period, there are circumstances that are not comparable to a quiet civilian life, however. a well-known case since childhood , a pilot without a leg, and he is not alone, and they really imagine in civilian, uh, our civilian calm life, so that such cases somewhere. well, there is definitely no such thing as civil. because there are still strict rules that are better not to break. after all, why did i ask the case about this, because not in the physical state in which he was , it's the same character, it's psychology. and this i want to have exceeded i can, but suppose to meet. such a case today now, so what? well, theoretically it's not possible yet.

well, at such a normal time, it is unlikely to happen. yes, when witnessing is carried out, the professional qualities of a person are always taken into account. professional reference is requested. whether he copes with work or does not cope, and the central flight commission, and can stand up for those rules that are prescribed here in the federal innovation rules for those specific parameters and additionally examining by looking at the professional characteristics of a person, weighing all the pros and cons. maybe allow a person to work with restrictions, well, this does not even happen rarely, for example, with what? well, for example, uh, a person’s vision indicators are slightly worse than those prescribed in federal revolutionary rules, an ophthalmologist additionally examines and, taking into account all the data of a person, it can be admitted with restrictions. are there any

restrictions depending on the type of aircraft that is supposed to be operated? yes, of course, if this is, uh, a vessel with one pilot, then the requirements are much tougher there. we even have special restrictions to work only in multi-crew and work only as a co-pilot. so if suddenly a man needs to endure such a restriction. he cannot be admitted. here's to control of one local aircraft. this is small aviation. ah, small aircraft. and what is your relationship to small aviation? private pilots also come to you, of course. they pass our commission. in general, they should be witnessed in the vlog, but if something is serious, they get into the tsok, that is, do you work alone on board, do you work as part of a crew of two? or

it doesn’t matter if it’s 3-4, it’s a big board, you still have to pass the flight commission, either at the place of work or the highest, if something doesn’t suit you suits right? yes that's right. tell me what is included in the survey. here comes a man. here i am 65 years old. and here i am there for four five times a day i go to your hospital for a complete examination, which is what this check up means. it's like, but before they testify, people are trained by all these specialists, uh, they pass uh, a general blood test, a general urine test, glucose cholesterol. a gram-e, x-ray or chest x-ray drug test. uh, the narcologist psychiatrist is, if it's any diseases.

this is the minimum standard set for everyone, and with a certain age, an examination is supplemented, for example, a vergametric test or ultrasound of the cerebral vessels also with a certain age, for example, a psychologist looks if a person is 65 years old and he went to the hospital for an inpatient examination . again, there will be tests. e, there will be a biometric test or a redmio test in order to examine the heart, there will be an ultrasound of the vessels of the brain of the internal organs. after passing all examinations. uh man goes to testify to the flight commission. there are doctors there, such as pevd, a neurologist, an ophthalmologist and an orrac surgeon, sometimes it is a psychologist, a cardiologist, after all these doctors, uh , gave their opinion on the suitability of the unfitness, the chairman of the commission examines all the documents at the meeting and makes a decision on the suitability

of the unfitness for work or maybe be a person referred for treatment, and many are interested. and what is this wonderful chair that is spinning for? you sit in it and it starts to twist you in different directions and then ask you different questions. and this is why there is a directly defined requirement specific to evolutionary specialists and one of these requirements. this is good vestibular stability. uh, when a person twists on this chair, otherwise he may develop an environment of nausea. uh, some kind of cardiovascular reactions and at the same time a person should not be allowed to. he can't be at work. here he cannot normally endure overloads. here are the sharp turns. well, today, thank god, we passed the flight commission. and now we are admitted with you to fly podcast. everyone wants to fly, by the way, all our podcasts repeat.

you can watch on the website of channel one one tv point ru the wedding was leonid yakubovich hello this podcast easy money i am its host mikhail khanov russia supports the transition to the yuan in foreign trade relations with asia africa latin america is the words of our president and now the share of the yuan is in foreign trade russian calculations 16%. nikolai vavilov will help us translate this figure and not only this one from chinese characters into ordinary human language. hello nikolai e, nikolai sinologist, publicist, author of the book of chinese power, 10 years of living in china and alexey gordishenin. hey, entrepreneur. uh, chairman of the board of directors of a russian chinese

investment fund that invests specifically in technology, what is especially important? hello alex, hello. let's have a simple question. now. i think that if it's quite simple for the layman, well, in a sense, each of us is partially also in some areas of the layman. well, it's quite easy to answer there. you said a figure of about 20% now occupies the yuan in our mean trade turnover, but i think that this figure is according to various estimates. she will grow. moreover, to grow rapidly, rather, they gave a better growth forecast. now at 16 20 - this is already a reserve. i think that in the thirtieth year it will be from 30 to 50%, and this is serious, because the turnover. right now, we have about 200 billion. in reality, if through third countries, and also count the trade turnover, there, like malaysia , singapore, hong kong, this is what is not taken into account in the official customs, like chinese russian goods. this is also 220 billion dollars. that is, it is a value plunging towards trade with the european union. that is, for us, china is actually becoming the second european union , the second eu, and this is an important point.

in general, in principle, we are talking not only about the de-dalovization of its organization, and so on , we are talking about the fact that ionization is happening in a better world, that is, it is out of the question that your savings are in yuan. you can safely spend on resorts in iran such as the united arab emirates which work very closely together. something with china is gladly accepted at exchange offices yuan, yes, and vietnam and indonesia, and with them all countries and argentina, please lovers of exotic cuba, where there are a lot of chinese tourists, that is, yes, not to mention the base issue in europe and open in italy for example, it's easier to do. yes, in some other countries it is more difficult than vitalia, the giant one. this e economic trade relations with china in milanese entire suburbs of the chinese. so there is naples in rome and so on france is the same, that is, the question of whether it is a replacement for the dollar in general, yes, but how good is a replacement. this is a question. now we will deal with alexey the chinese market. yes, now is a good entry point for those who

yearn for investment. you know here it is very important to understand how investment exists in china at all. the fact is that the chinese invest in real estate or investments, as soon as real estate inflates a little, and they accordingly realize the market. investments and money go there and vice versa and in this way there is a balance, because it is important for the chinese economy to ensure that they are available at the moment when they need, this is happening. well, in my opinion. uh, let's say manual regulation. yes, here are these investment opportunities, respectively, when this is the moment of real estate growth. then it means that the moment of entering the chinese stock market is now such a moment or not. i think it's worth waiting a bit now, but from my point of view. and if you already invest, then still invest in indices, that is , not in specific stocks, but still either by sector or broad, because nikolai yes

, we don’t live in china, we don’t read in the morning chinese newspapers. let's go for our audience. we will remind you that we traditionally do life hacks. let's take a pen and write down that right now, uh, not the best moments to enter the chinese market, i will add that tightening is going on all over the world. eh, he spoke smart words. monetary policy, well it simply means that the rate is raised and money is withdrawn from the stock markets in this way. the central bank of the us federal reserve is struggling with inflation, uh, which, well, so far weakly gives in , has ceased to succumb to the efforts of the regulator, but uh, i would say wait, but our experts also recommend waiting. well, at least the end of the twenty-third year. let 's go back to the level a little higher in order to figure it out after all. here russian and chinese are brothers for a century. and how will our relations be built further, what is it? yes. this temporary partnership is an alliance. is it friendship against someone or is it long term . here is a relationship, indeed,

built on mutual trust. let's start with the figure, and we all read a peppy report that the turnover, uh, at the beginning in 2020, the united states was about $32 billion, and trade with china has grown from a hundred, let's say 40-130 billion. to 190 now, and us trade with china is $750 billion, still the same, yes, that is, this is a figure, which is three times higher than the current seemingly insanely growing trade turnover in china with our country and immediately into this issue. who really suddenly china has who is their main partner. and who is actually just trying to become one. based on your statistics, i can say that for the first 4 months, what continued the cosmic growth of 40% we have an increase in trade with china. but chinese american goods china's exports to the us fell by as much as 14%. and apparently, this is due to the decline in solvency in the american market and certain

protective means that started this economy and it actually fell, and then they added it did not. it flew up again, the chinese american. and now it is already regardless of the politics of the conjuncture. it is falling again, that is, the world is entering a recession for sure and if you look at history. these are turns of russian chinese. if in the fourteenth year we had, we bought more from china and sold less, that is , in fact, we used our foreign exchange reserves, which we received in europe to buy chinese goods, well, oil and gas income. now, on the contrary, we sell more there than we buy. that is, and this, by the way, is an interesting story, for example, it’s still for a long time. this is a very good relationship for a very long time, we will experience high peaks of the peak of relations, according to my estimates. about 30 years old alexey, after all, uh, returning to stock markets. we found out how interesting the chinese stock market is for russian investors. the russian market for the chinese, in general, has some interest , you know, i e investment funds.

met in china yes to care for their activities. i noticed that they still do not consider. for now, uh, serious investments. here, uh, the stock market. yes, and those and our swords are blue chips. what, you know, is more interesting. e more. deep investing, yes, that is, investing in enterprise ownership. a-a full share is not package, shares, let's say institutional investment. yes, that is , when they are bought easily, they simply buy up. well, one can say at some time, so uh china uh, is expanding, and its enterprises buying local enterprises are the most interesting, of course. this is the auto industry, of course, ours, of course. uh, i think they're interested in the auto industry. uh , no, it's still, but the production of cars from my point of view of the production of machine tools, and they are interested in buying our sites and e

completely. i'm thinking of integrating my enterprises, because we have a shortage, and this, and hmm, let's say a car and a equipment and, accordingly, they would like to get this market by organizing. of course, here is the assembly shop in the first place. i think chemical. for them it is extremely interesting, that is, repeatedly. i heard that here is our enterprise, which is now supplied in a large share, by the way, speaking specifically to the chinese market. they would be interested in owning these enterprises, of course. we have, uh, protectionist measures to protect our market and this process is not going as fast as, for example , in african countries, but nonetheless. we have to keep a balance here. we must also defend our interests. well, let's say that accepting investments cannot spoil the investment climate, but at the same time protect it. we owe our interests, taking into account what you said to alexei, is there any danger that the chinese will really begin to dominate the field of technology, too. and when we constantly say that we have it on the flag of import substitution. it turns out that instead

of developing our own technologies and engage in import substitution. we just switched imports from one part of the world to another. yes, it used to be the us well, more of the european union now. this is china, our officials are not afraid of this. here nikolai will also have this question for you. i think this is how we are in the situation. when do we have the opportunity? we have the potential to uh thanks to the geopolitical situation, but to improve significantly. uh, inside the internal situation of internal production. whether we use it or not depends precisely on how our entrepreneurs, and how our officials will work, the chinese will give us such a chance nikolaev the question of the revival of our own production of reindustrialization, which we face is the question of both personnel and design schools and certain subsidies there in certain

economic zones. and if we act like in the soviet union in time implementation industry, when in fact american machine tools, american engineers were the basis for their own building of their own industrial school, which means the base of the school, then yes , this is probably quite. if not, then well of course, it will happen. as you said, that is, we are simply reorienting from imports, and from some goods to others, but there is a certain sequence here. i think that after all, not everything is so bad, but in light industry, after all, we still have some kind of soviet base, this is the food industry. well, many different subspecies. there, in principle, import substitution is proceeding very effectively, i would say quite quickly, and well, according to the logic of development, and someday it should come to heavy engineering and machine tool building, and so on. that is, it is a question of our own efforts. and the chinese do not mind selling us machine tools. you do not mind the fact that chinese engineers came here to fix them, and so on, the question is only in our own efforts. this is an easy money podcast. my

guest today is nikolai vavilov whales. vet economist and aleksey gorodishenin digital entrepreneur, returning to your topic with the peak period of our relationship for 30 years and, in fact, linking it to recent trips. refrigerator namesake er mishustin to china er, the question is, and these, to put it mildly, not very pleasant negotiations on the power of siberia 2, which are so important for russia, yes, because the power of siberia it works well at full capacity, but this is yakut gas . it is very important for us to find a use for the jamaican gas that was flowing. actually in europe and now remained. well, to put it mildly, not a lot. and that is why the forces of siberia 2 are so important for russia, but the chinese are completely openly lobbying, and their own negotiations with turkmenistan, as a supplier of yes through uzbekistan, are tajiks. here and there, partly through

kyrgyzstan, absolutely, not embarrassed by the situation that just before our eyes , a conversation is being conducted with two sides. moreover, the visit of mishustin, who directly discussed this topic, who would like to discuss it, the topic was practically not raised. is it a minute-by-minute attempt to bargain for the best conditions. and this pressure is pressure. this is soft power. it's an attempt to show who's in the house, which is in the context of what you said, that we're in our 30s of practically a strategic core partnership. well, let's start with the basic things for our viewers, the power of siberia is two - it's not to load containers with boots and this is not being done. simultaneously. this is a mega-project mega-projects. any stream there is always discussed for a long time, remember, and the south north and so on. it's, well, long big projects are discussed, but here it goes in a straight line, playing off with competitors. it's one thing to coordinate investment price figures, it's another thing if you want, we'll go. at a difficult

moment, i still disagree with you about mikhail vladimirovich, that the main task. it means that it is to conduct negotiations successfully and to shake hands and conclude it for yourself or two within the framework of this visit. still , it was not announced, that is, well, it would be nice if you were it. it would be good for all of us, uh, to have a salary four times more, which means here question. which is the first, and in turkmenistan it has always been the largest gas supplier to china, always much earlier than the strength in itself alone. there is a ready-made delivery infrastructure that has not become so much. i will correct you a little, but for the time being, in kazakhstan, according to the almaty akimat, where the main actions were for 22 years. this year they overtook turkmenistan overtook. well, look, it means general needs. uh, gas production and consumption. gas. i might be slightly wrong about the numbers right now. this is about more than 300 billion cubic meters per year, and china turkmenistan supplies. well, god forbid, there are 30-45 billion cubic meters. you see, there's room for everyone. it's a giant market. it grows there

goes, moving away from the coal that used to be used. it's not environmentally friendly that she 'll destroy her air as a matter of fact. and it will be replaced by gas. if we agree next year almost on ourselves two in a year and so on. it doesn't matter sooner or later you'll get over it. this is the first moment. first, we didn't break up. secondly, the ethical point. here you are open negotiations and so on, and the chinese are asking you. here you have now blocked the tap in the west. and what are you to us that you appeared at the border yesterday? you , as strategic partners, treat you badly. you ran to us. here is this ethical moment, do not forget too. and when, by the way, the advice to our life hacks, i say, someone will work with the chinese. you build long-term relationships, because the chinese remember everything, how you felt before how you feel now and from this strategically plan in the future, so there is no need to rush from his siberia two, but i agree, firstly, with the management of gazprom that it is too early or late? we got billions. ours, therefore, will bring gas exports, because i emphasized the strength for myself alone. this is very important for the context. she reached shanghai ahead of schedule

and was supposed to be in the twenty-fifth year. she reached 24, which means 23. oh, and beijing in general at the end of the twenty-second beginning of the twenty-second year. we are already heating the beijing post where our gas is used. these are huge successes. and most importantly, because it does not go to the center. china is a pipe, and it competes with american gas, so here it is generally in the background. we are american gas for our audience. yes, sails on ships to ports. at the same time, china is also getting ahead of japan in terms of gas purchases. that is , the world leaders here are generally afraid that we will sell it a little earlier a little later, and so on from turkey and so on. let's have enough gas, otherwise our audience will leave ours now. thank you very much for such a detailed story. in general, let's write. e, dear our listeners , tv viewers and just viewers, that you should not worry about some kind of temporary, but let's say , a plug or delays in negotiations, which china's market size is so large that it allows learning. that is, there are many players there

, including qatar, which we have forgotten, yes, which is also a gas supplier to, yes, yes, yes , one of the largest suppliers. and uh, let 's think about how global recession does not happen and that china at least does not fall, but develops, well, at some pace and a place in this market. enough for everyone the question is alexey, according to your experience, how difficult or easy it is to negotiate with the chinese, as entrepreneurs, how is it built? how the negotiation process by chinese businessmen differs from what we are accustomed to by europeans. you know, the topic of negotiations is very multifaceted. i spent hundreds of hours with the chinese in real live negotiations, and did not last eight and 10 and 12 hours of negotiations. nikolai correctly said that they require , first of all, a long-term attitude towards these relations. yes, that is, you can't. ah, look for a momentary short-term benefit, because the chinese will not come. they have, let's say, their mentalities of notion about it more different from ours. it needs to be said that, well, as long as we are 30, there are 35 years old.

we have a market economy. yes how many years e in china the idea of ​​business was formed and when you start to think about it you understand that how many it is 5,000 years and in negotiations between russian and chinese entrepreneurs there is a relationship, in some way an older and a younger brother. and , uh, they often impose on us, let's say so, but such a model that partners should be equal, and in the chinese mentality. there is an understanding that there is an older and younger brother. that is, reality does not exist. yes, they are very clearly lined up in every relationship. and they may differ. and now we can go back. yes, we are the younger brother of the russian entrepreneur younger brother, but this is very important. this does not mean that at our expense, and china can do something in no case, but because, after all, the relationship between the younger and older brother. this includes a relationship of care and mutual love, so it is very important here. relationships, and relationships

come first and foremost mutual understanding. a this means you need to understand the chinese mentality nikolai excuse the question right away. do you agree with this theory that we are now in negotiations a younger brother for china as an older brother, but nevertheless there is respect for your brother also that there is respect for our position, i absolutely agree. but i still would have left, from this rather dangerous territory. who is the younger who who is the older brother? a? well, imagine that now china will enter into close conflicts with the united states and the only supplier of oil, and china will depend on 75% from imports means oil abroad, and the only supplier of the land corridor of oil is russia, and if russia turns off the screen, this is oil, that is, the economy, which will be subject to both barrique and sanctions in due time. japan in the forty-first year of the oil industry, it simply will not pull the question here, who does not compensate senior audits to whom, these are sea routes, and sea routes are sea routes. acting means the united states navy

will have already shown that they are capable of conducting these energy terrorism. and this really. so it was, by the way, a signal. you read any signal in relation to russia , the chinese read it as a signal in relation to themselves, which is much more dependent on improvisation , i agree. yes, now i'm trying to continue, joy. can long enough security council nuclear umbrella and beijing security and so on. i would now move away from this territory, who is younger to whom. i think that there are more, it seems, the concept of good neighbors and comrades, if you need to build truly equal relations. a and. i think that, like russia, it would be difficult now solve their issues without the chinese emperor without the chinese. it means exporting our resources there, since china in the future and now it will also be difficult, because if you really look at the picture, then china's neighbors russia is practically almost the only country with which there are no territorial disputes, provocative questions. now i’ll ask yes at the moment, yes, when there are already two full-fledged centers

of power left at the moment, it’s profitable for china to call a spade a spade the continuation of this sluggish conflict in the center of europe or it is beneficial for china to support russia so much that, let's say it together, by joining forces , it is already really competitive with the united states. in fact, the economy, according to different estimates. even the chinese economy has overtaken the american economy and has come out on top in the world in terms of gdp well , let's just not talk about a clear advantage. there, however, if we take the total gdp there, uh , china, indonesia, and even the same vietnam , well, if you add south america there , then it exceeds, uh, the top five of the so-called developed countries. i think even the seven it’s profitable for china to continue this conflict there or it’s profitable, after all, to complete it, localize it and close it in order to continue to compete in pure economic terms, i will answer. the first - it means in china and not

the beneficial destruction of european ties by china, it needs the direction of europe to be relatively stable, and the second point in relation to itself in relation to, in general, europe was stable. and, well, in relation to itself , since china supplanted the united states as the 101st trading partner of the european union in the 21st century, then, of course, considering europe, you mean that this is chinese european relations , it is beneficial for them to seize europe, as a market and pull europe out of the dominance of the united states and thus, based on china's dominance in the world, the second moment. let it be a formal loss for the united states. it will be a peace plan for ukraine, everyone will accept it, and so on. that is, it is beneficial. this disadvantageous defeat of the russian federation is the third point that is worth fixing. is it beneficial for china that we reach, for example, hungarian borders this is a debatable issue, nevertheless here, but it is very important to understand this. ok alex what do you think about this? to what extent is it beneficial or

disadvantageous for china to continue the escalation of the fading or completely localization of the cessation of the conflict? i think china is a good observer, but he just looks at the situation and use the opportunities that these situations this situation gives him, he learns to draw conclusions online every second. yes, he just observes the situation and, uh, there are always some processes going on. that is, it is only uh, in western understanding. yes, that is, the development goes up, then the fall up and in the chinese sense. this is a constant series of ups and downs in the form of a wave-like development and in view of this. that is. they simply observe the situation and at the moment when it is beneficial for them to do something. they e will be restrained humbly. e, so to speak, e to act in my own interests, so i'm well, so to speak, a small expert in geopolitics in this sense, but i can definitely tell by mentality. and they don’t know how to wait and observe the chinese and

the most important thing is that in negotiations this especially felt, yes, but the chinese do not show their aggression. and let's just say that their such a peaceful position. it gives e fruits in that, including its ionization, including the spread of chinese authority in the world, because they allow the local center to remain, and they allow decision-making, and some kind of national identity to be preserved. that is, if western values, they impose, then chinese values ​​are still, and they are more tolerant. uh, in my mind in the world politics at the moment i will add alexei, they are chinese. yes indeed. eh, time factors of time are perceived a little differently, but they don't know how not just to wait, they know how to form negotiation conditions for a deal. well, here it is. or not, what does the largest mean , the logistics company of china, before the election

of the german chancellor, almost concluded a deal to buy portohamburg, a in which the offshore company was the programmer, and they formed certain conditions personally. e related to the olaf show. as a result, we bought and bought powerful discussion. ah. well, i was the first to call olaf highway chinese, which means a lobbyist. uh, then it was already in the german, respectively, obviously it became a thing for a long time discussion they were allowed only 24 e and 99% in this port to buy macrons, exactly the same you think that this happens on its own, and the chinese implicitly, not explicitly formed the conditions for their victory i think that it is not just to wait, but to form the conditions so that the fruit itself becomes ripe. yes , your hands are straight indeed the action counts. let's just say it's low player qualification, huh? love you peter creations. i love your strict slim look. i'm in st. petersburg friends. why are these

names different? why can't you say? humanly entrance? you are not on the st. petersburg stop what is we go on the ribs? take your time. how many types of seedlings exist , two very dirty and not very, is there any one word or a capacious term that your friends call you in the museum. lloy just like that, indifferent people cannot work here. how many roots he eats in about a year, he practically eats petersburg everything we catch. here it is real fast food, what kind of burgers are there, it's all about nothing cat palace bridge attention wiring. never from this angle. i have not seen how the life of its premiere on sunday rises to the palace bridge on the first and always on 1tv.ru.

there are a couple more questions for our two experts. the first question is what can we still offer china besides hydrocarbons , except for raw materials, except for metals, except for the traditional oil and gas, as far as i know, your fund is engaged in the sale of technologies in china but it sounds, well, almost fantastic, here are a few words about it. e that china may be interested in russia in addition to raw materials. it has always been hard for me to look specifically at the growth of raw material turnover, because in my opinion in russia, the most valuable thing in russia is human capital. we have unique people with amazing creativity, absolutely intellect , and in fact, when here we are in technology startups, we come to china with russian technologies. we see that these technologies are initially ahead of what can be developed on chinese soil by the chinese mind, such as we have.

taxes in the field of robotics, that is, our radio engineers from russia to china, that’s the point, we don’t have a machine tool industry that would allow thousands of e to create industrial robots there, but we have technologies that allow us to control these robots in this plan. uh , it was a discovery for me when i came to the largest chinese enterprises and the most ordinary engineers of our, say, perm university, uh, were simply on my head. e was above, and for example, the chief engineer of one of the largest electronics manufacturers in china that is, i was convinced from my own experience that we have very smart minds. and we, when we bring technologies from russia there, we try to preserve intellectual property in russia and sell a license there, because then we get the most healthy cooperation, let’s say, then we don’t sell there. excuse the giblets for the expression. yes, but we are collaborating. yes , it can be. we understand that this is our market.

and so, continuing the idea of ​​a younger and older brother, and he, as an older brother, buys our technology, but buys the right to use it in this regard as well. i believe that the technological backlog in russia is absolutely not implemented. and we have a very big nikolai. you have examples of what you can buy in russia in addition to raw materials, so i’ll add alexei and move on to such things. yes, there really are companies like huawei, but they don’t actually work like a vacuum cleaner in russia, uh, they actually recruit engineers and there is actually a certain brain current, but there is a task in mixed way. yes, this means mission impossible chinese means brother. let him use the terminology from alexei to force not to buy licenses, but to do joint ventures here, or even in general, yes, this is very difficult. you know from the automotive sector that they basically do not create enterprises. they mainly export . it is convenient for him to produce chinese there, which means that the workers are there. yes, well, this is how you need

to learn and this mission before, including before, means positive authorities to put it so that these scientists do not flow there , so that these developments do not flow there, yes , a license, it’s generally very successful. in general , you know success to the chinese that they can simply buy a lot, which means they clean up without paying anything at all, but a license. again, the license fee is controlled by the chinese themselves. they are the masters of their territory, that is, of course, the chinese need to be forced to do it using our influence on china. that means a joint venture. i'll be surprised that there are practically no joint ventures between russia and china by the manufacturer. they are simplest, or they completely build. here the factory operates. why did they use such a term alexei and social investors, it’s easier for them from the point of view of the operating system to do everything their own now about examples. specifically , what is the most now, a growing industry. this is agriculture and products primarily processed and run. these are food products. the chinese do not trust their food industry. he is absolutely a taxi. technically

, everything that is produced here it doesn’t matter where butane russia kazakhstan is always ready to take on cheers, because if only it wasn't chinese, china doubles its food imports every 3 years. this, well, is already close to microchip imports. no, the question is true , now we take wheat processing, what is it from , for example, floor, what is good from bad varieties of wheat, this confectionery is obtained . yes? and this is already. well, you're kind of smirking, yes, but that's a billion tens of billions of dollars in the run, and we 're here, that's a very interesting question. we have not touched on an important topic, the chinese economy is also part of the global one. she has too there can be very serious problems, but life is paradoxical at the same time. for all that, as a geopolitical ally, most likely, we will occupy the shares of the state of australia, which is unfriendly to china, which means the united states, and so on. first of all, food. here you will be surprised, but the americans shove, which they export to china, hold on. it's just one of the promising war, in fact. this is the same moment the chinese came to

russia and said, give us 20 million tons of soybeans. with grief in half, we raised 1 million in the far east. they were just shaking walking by offices. so, we couldn't all give them soybeans. here in this volume is a very interesting moment. what, for example, when we are waiting for the reorientation of the industrial sector to the chinese foreign market, a specific example , you want to supply sausage, china, you need a shelf life of not 3 months, but six, because for imports it means inside chinese. that is, you need to change the production line. he already has a product in general. that is , you need to focus all production on this chinese market. this is very difficult choices between the european market , the chinese market and so on, then the load for the chemical plant run polymer already helium is supplied to respectively, the products are ready products from the gas. we always have oil and simple chemistry, chemical is always better than everything that is connected to artificial crystals, knowing the successful enterprise that produces. it's just that we are cleaner from the arts. and so on.

everything is fine with us, nizhny novgorod region. there are petrochemistry and chemistry. chemistry is just developed, perhaps due to the fact that there is the least the cost of investments in science. she remained with us, but this theme of nikolai is a bottomless theme. let's uh one more question. i 'll ask us e at a party. uh, on the easy money podcast, he was the dean. moscow state university faculties of the vmk, higher mathematics, cybernetics of the game sokolov, professor, and we talked about the fact that external students external students are precisely the chinese for russia now for our top universities and it is precisely for knowledge that the chinese come here. and in principle, i know that there is a reverse flow and russian students also travel or are starting to travel. e to china here this is now a trend. alexey know russians, really studies a lot in china. i am a trend of recent years or it has always been like that. i've been watching it for the last 10 years, that is , over the past 10 years, every year there are more and more russian students. in fact, there are many in china. there polytechnic technological, well i

mean, physics or lyrics. i think so and so the point is that you understand. e, for example, we have a good mathematical school. yes , fundamental education, but we have weak, for example, practical implementation this education. that is, we do not have the same huge factories. yes, where hundreds of these same robots are installed that can be controlled, but here's what i wanted to say this process is very, uh, very dangerous, because when our students come there. they receive education there after university in china, a very good student adaptation program, and most often our students stay to work, and the chinese actively support this with quantum policy. they help with housing. we need to fight more for our wash now in direction of china. a question about education for you, nikolai, how much do you agree or not? that the trend of recent years is an increase in the number of russian students studying in china. yes, i think that there has been

a certain explosion in the last 10 years, but in chinese students who went to the usa it is up to 300,000 people. we now have about seven thousand chinese students, yes, that is, here, firstly, there is a huge backlog for our universities to accept these students. i think the growth may be up to ten times in the next decades. yes indeed, this can turn into a three-line budget, a similar reverse growth, uh, there in china because they are like this yes, this is a promising direction 90% this is a humanitarian study of this language, and in my practice there were students who are my acquaintances, yes, so they tried to study biochemistry there, but it is absolutely impossible. just not knowing chinese at the same time equals chinese students. uh, difficult sciences to get through chinese, but those who are planned or sent there to stay work as well, at best, go they didn't quite beat. so we still have an open border and you know a little bit about digital rockers.

but these are russian chinese companies. and most likely, they will have several years of work from a chinese company, several years of work in a russian company, and then, there may be some relocations. but most importantly, you are in a chinese company, it is unlikely that you will reach the boss department, most likely, you will be just an ordinary employee somewhere, well, in the operational direction, and in russia there are more prospects, uh, well, as usual, ah, few people like to make forecasts, but so to speak. uh, we'll try to do it with our experts. now. eh, the ruble exchange rate. yuan, slightly above 11 rubles. for yuan. and what is your forecast for the coming year, what will be the exchange rate? i don't think it will change significantly. i think we'll be in roughly the same order between currencies. i agree in general, that yes, most likely, it will even be, but 10 rubles. even this will be. well, near prospects. it will be less. thank you very much. thanks alexey thanks nikolay and the topic is really homeless relations between russia and china, we can talk for hours we tried to fit into the format of our program.

and i will try to highlight the main aspects, starting from how promising relations between russia and china are in general, what the chinese need from us, what the chinese need from us, and how we will build further our relationship on the geopolitical arena. lord glory to your present.