everything was broadcast. no, there are things that are difficult to broadcast from an ethical point of view, of course, especially on a federal channel, but at some point the factory was broadcast on the internet and there were people who normally just watched the reality itself. well, that is, here a bunch of some plasts are rising. why did this thing eventually become what it became, and there were moments when you disagreed with the producer. well, we always have guys. uh, they tried something called to break the game yulia mikhalchik, in my opinion, she wanted to leave there instead of someone fast, or something whatman, and she rushed to the microphone so much and i want to go instead. well, there they were all so already on such katya. for example, i would let yulia leave, why not? if a person wants, but no, then i'm a producer not allowed. but when khvorostyan fled to diana at the sixth khvorostyan factory, they already allowed it. i thought to myself. mm. okay kamon why one yes to the other no, but on the other hand. this is a different producer, different realities. no, sometimes, of course, the guys wanted so much, but christmas trees with sticks

the other side is the producer. this is a producer. there, together with the channel, he must determine the vector of what is happening here, and on the other hand, because we all really lived in this. in all this, it was not a game of factory for us. it was everything for us for real, perhaps also that's why it went to everyone so much that people still write in the comments. lord, i'm glad. and to remember this happy time when well, i was small and my biggest problem was not to earn money to feed my family there, but my biggest problem was. and what favorite manufacturer nominated hmm are you friends with one of the manufacturers. you know , you go to karaoke with one of them, i haven’t been to karaoke for a long time now. and it would be necessary in honor of the twentieth anniversary of the factory , this is how it should work. and you now and that roman is not moving anywhere to stop. here, i'm now singing a song not to move anywhere.

here, where is my microphone? no, we were not particularly friends, with none of the guys in e. hmm exactly. now, if we are talking about friendship, but there is this marker here you weren't in the season. thank god i am in their family, and they are me too, as relatives, i have relative to the guys, the older sister complex is always like that. you can’t get rid of this anymore, i can absolutely say for sure that after twenty of these years last year, exactly a year ago, we began to make a block specifically for the star factory ah. you do it on your social networks. i do it on my social media. eh, i invite the guys, and we remember, and this is the portal, this carefree nostalgic youth, but i am grateful for this opportunity and once again rethink that experience, because when you 're in this tv race, you forget sometimes just to talk, and then it hit me

after 20 years. how much stress for the guys then was the nomination. well, that is, i thought that it was just on emotions, but it's a shame that you are singing there and you remind everyone of the scheme, how it happened, the storyline of the factory. and what is it not only the talent show and the reality show at the end? this is also every week at the reporting concert. you have a nomination producers, and the teachers' council nominate three participants save one. the spectators of the second are saved by the team. and that's who no one saved, he leaves. and this was for the guys. it's just like that, it turns out. here is the decolotuna. i remember my then feeling, but what the guys say. here is the whole truth about what happened 20 years ago. now listen to her. this is such a big psychological revelation for me that opens me up for me. guys from a completely new side, how they actually experienced it all. how is the same gang they stood for each other, how cool in defiance there nominated ratmir e, and then put

timati against the joker in one nomination and it was necessary and the team chose timati or joker and this is one group and in the studio the whole root timati timati team is also all in shock. there's someone to vote for. in the end, i see, it means they choose tim. because dominic it's cool to forgive at all, but they all talk about it now in such a way that it feels like you 're worried. it's like it was yesterday. if now star factory 8 would be interesting for you to plunge into this life again. you know friends. i think that the star factory is not needed now. i don't. no one can convince me. although i know exactly what the plans are, and start the new season. the owner format has factories. hmm, that is, they are going to do something there. they even hung up a questionnaire to participate, but all the time recently on channel one there was another show with grich

matvienko and with yana churikov, the author was called igor igorevich in this matter, of course, handsome. again passers-by. this is already happening with the experience of the factory. you know that friends that matvienko has a pleiades new artists. factory roots, and vika daineko , the winner of the fifth factory, is also his creative asset, that is, thanks to the factories, he got half a hundred there. but the fact that at some point igor matvienko felt that the country needed to somehow consolidate the community of writers, because the authors are sunwriters, they all the time arose chaotically , somehow someone did it better, some good author does it its academy of gaming grading. that teaches people to write songs shot and hello well, like, here are some hits you sold them for the big artist. here, i'm now a cool gripper son. come on, i'll teach you how to write songs and monetize this cool skill, but the question is that we always have.

this moment suffered a little. actually the idea. matvey was that people writing songs all over the country in the field somehow, uh, someone is chaotic, someone has already shown up at various talent shows. uh, and just sitting right in some city writing songs selling feels great, huh? and someone writes, uh, chanson, someone else writes some genre songs. and it happens with us that one song shoots and everyone starts to fuck in exactly the same style. one hundred and five hundred authors have the same songs. in general, matvey is a man a few steps ahead, thinking, e, he decided to collect the authors in some kind of single field, so the author's project appeared, but what he decided to do from it. uh, some reality show. this is still a factory sharpened answer here you will not convince me, and i believe that he did not lose. with age, new things that background is created for nutritional recovery and preservation

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on tv uh with the person from the tv in 2023. i thought either that you will still be in television. and that it will still exist. and we have been watching for many years already talking about the fact that yes, whoever watches this tv set has died, the last years , probably 15. i hear this with enviable regularity and quite stable, but then we rewind back to an era when television was total media recall the film moscow does not believe in tears and the monologue of the hero who says that soon there will be no there will be no theater, no newspapers, nothing, there will be one continuous television. now they say so about the internet there in all its manifestations, that the internet has come and should kill everyone, but in reality we see the situation a little different, given how inert it is.

in general, such massive things are developing as the media industry in television, it is still early to be written off due to technical features of some kind of signal propagation due to habit that has been developed by several really really several generations of people who are already linking their calendar to television. and you can't do it so soon. that is, it must happen a few. for generations , those who are used to the 21:00 time program should leave. but on the other hand, when a new media comes, it forms other habits and of course. uh, there is a child you can’t explain to him that there used to be a program. good night kids, and lastly, everything, and the child is used to consuming content anywhere on any device. and it's interesting how people of these two paradigms can coexist on the same planet in the same society. here, uh, of course, i usually don’t really like it when

we do some kind of strategic planning there, how to develop the industry, thank you thankless job, especially when you try it on yourself and think that, in principle, if you are from a tv , then this is such a tongue that will be with you forever. no, we all evolve along with the media we work in , some of us appeared in the era of television, but uh, we already used the internet there for search for information, and in front of our eyes the internet very quickly appeared there in 2006, no one knew yet that it would become a new pattern of information consumption so quickly, and at that moment it suddenly became clear that what we brought up in our viewers. our main one, at least when we were on mtv back in that old team back there in 1998. and we told people people, you yourself are stars. you can create and we absolutely believed in this sacredly, because we were recruited on the basis of the principle that they say, you don’t someone's there, and you're just here, because you want to talk about it and want to do it. that's what you do, that's why you

're on this channel in 1998. ah, they really believed that they were the same, because people are television. uh, in that century they thought that there were gods, only gods, they get there and it seems to me, yes, well, it seems to me that this is perfect. that is , what was said on channel e on the cool youth music channel, that you can also be like us, but still it was not taken seriously and now in this parallel reality there are bloggers, for example, who also appeared and became. demigods for many, they were the same yesterday as we are by and large , that is, it’s just a question here. uh, probably deeply psychological, social hierarchical, we always need someone to whom we will look. so, uh, some kind of conditional idol, a conditional opinion leader of a person , an authority that we will trust, on which we will be guided by the question. where did he come from, if before the tv did not talk, only that's how it was

absolutely authoritarian, and i said, when we appeared we were already there. uh, i'm talking about my colleagues from mtv e, that is, that very ninety-eighth dash of 2004. here, i would outline this era like this, when hmm we really were our own for everyone. that is, in fact, where i always kept it in my head in the depths of my subconscious mind, the announcers of the soviet era were like the greatest professionals in their field. anna nikolaevna shatilova. i'm so glad to see her every time, a and glyanets when kirillov was alive, he also had this connection traced, that is, for him. i and my generation, we were a continuation of this line that they once started, and for me it was expensive on the one hand, and on the other. it was a great holiday and great happiness that you, that, you were entrusted with the broadcast, and this is still the media here, you also need to understand this, and somewhere you understand that this is not all here. you may not say all the words that you use on the street with

your friends, but at the same time, you are here and now free. and you are creating here and now, it's an awesome feeling. here in the nineties on the whole, it seems to me, television was happy and blessed with this kind of creative you can create. come on tv, after all. it was the result of selection. all the same, the selection had to go through the qualifying stages. whatever there may be now, the entrance is completely free, further is already a matter of charisma, which means, and so on. this is not e, i wanted to say this age-related, well, in general, in general , listen to this relationship, well, in order to become successful and famous popular, we went through a huge number of stages and grew up and gradually and so on. and here are the young ones . and now they are already millions of bloggers. actually, there are fundamental things. i

studied journalism. i tell you now we are now with whom are you masters of culture? we are now in the senile grumbling trying to do. i'm trying to get into a creative spin. to be honest, yes, i wanted to be a host , i really wanted to, because i’m always like this for dvizhukha. i need to suddenly realize that at some point, right in the journalistic, i got this vein in me. i became interested in writing article notes and despite the fact that everyone is far from journalism. well, somehow there asteroilas. in this children's teenage newspaper, the verb there a little bit began to understand that i liked it. we were then taken to the tv. we looked at how this is all cool done, the rock program of such youth music television was very interesting, i looked. i realized that yes, yes, yes. it's around here somewhere. and when you're a teenager, you're trying to find what you don't know, but you listen to your inner sensations intuitive it seemed to me that yes.

this is where i want to be. but who was not so important. well, to be sure good evening, this was not like that. i found it interesting. how this machine for creating a creative product works. and suddenly i realized that this is what they show us on tv, and then there was still a program up to 16 and older, an absolutely legendary product for young people in general. and i worked because we have an older one. by the way yes it's such a historic it was accidentally back at all no that is, it is the young man the second roman and we are two old wallets so normal. i grew up on you no , actually, rolls okay, huh? some kind of very adult guys in ties come up and say yana alekseevna i grew up on your broadcasts. this is what hurts. yes? yes, pain pain was a psychotrauma for a moment, and then i realized that it’s cool that they grew up so great. guys including her oh my god, well, i want to ask about you. you are now, uh, you

yourself, that's who you are, what are you doing? what is your mission? you have already accumulated so much in the background yes. what is your mission, because you have a very strong influence on people. you are an important person. you entered the history of a large number of people in this country, but i am glad to be part of the history of the personal biography of many people, but i think that this is a huge responsibility for me. i can't let them all down now. that's me somehow lives in me, but it's not in any way. it doesn’t constrain and doesn’t structure me, but you, this is all my organics. just one day with me i mean, i had my own mentors. i looked up to the people there. which, by the way, did not let me down, and now i love this when you look up to a person, and he remains well done. i also want so i would really like to see those who were inspired, i am my guys my colleagues, they were not disappointed in us, but this is not, let's say, my dominant

personality. i see, now including my task to be, uh, a kind of transmission link in this huge chain, what do you think star factory is our first talent show. let's let's rewind to soviet television, a chic program. come on, girls, and the allo program , we are looking for talents. well, that is, we are not the first in this chain and not the last. so i see, including my task , to say, it’s always so difficult to explain to young people young people think that and we were like that in the ninety-eighth, without brains at all in terms of throwing pushkin off the ship of modernity before us it was absolutely nothing. and now we have everything. now other people are in this role, but, nevertheless, with some by the number of oblomov mistakes the kilometers traveled along this path, people all understand that oh no, after all, something needs to be taken from those guys and girls who have already filled some bumps before you. and at this moment , hello young people, my team is completely younger than me. now

the guys and i are the team with which i do my hmm programs. these are all guys 20+. that's between 20 and 30, who have already gone through a lot of things in this life. and i see that all i know is me, they understand me. and it's very cool. so, in this i see my mission, not just a mission, but a task. and i am pleased that these are my old-fashioned things about the layout, let's plan the work, let's, and don't forget to sign the contract, this is important, because because there is always a legal component and we write a live sound. it also has its own set of protocols. and glory to you lord appeared more there, i don’t know the sound of directors who normally work with sound. the artists. you think, lord, well, glory to you words. glory god, everything is getting better for you precisely in terms of the fact that the very healthy industry has begun to look like this podcast of the creative industry on channel one. dear friends with you was yana churikova , a tv presenter, tv journalist and the studio were roman karmanov

, director general of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives and media manager, and elena kiper, clipper and producer. the chinese sage confucius said that studying and not thinking is an empty occupation, but thinking and not studying is a dangerous occupation. hello. and today we gathered with thoughts about what kind of education we need valery alexandrovich fadeev advisor to the president of the russian federation konstantinovich mogilevsky deputy minister of education and science, dear friends. i am glad to welcome you good mood good theme. you know, since the ministry of education science. i want to start with one quote about science. konstantin nikolaevich

leontiev once said that science should develop in a spirit of deep contempt for its practical posture. i would like to ask you to comment on this phrase to reflect. as far as one can agree with it, it means that there is one very rational consideration in this regard in response to reproaches that the fundamental sciences. eating a lot of money is the consideration that maxwells faraday recaptured all investments long ago. these are the people who were involved in electricity and actually provided a giant technological breakthrough with their fundamental research. science, fundamental gives most often a huge return. maybe not in a year or two, maybe in 50, but there is a return, well, completely agree. there are different expressions on this account, that science is, uh, a way to satisfy one's curiosity at the expense of the state. e, but

of course, there is fundamental science, there is applied science, the line between them is mobile. eh, and there would be no applied science, there would be no new solutions for technical solutions without fundamental discoveries, but even closer with the help of an example. here is our famous compatriot of the recently departed life zhara ivanovich yes, nobel laureate, well , quite a discovery. actually, connected with semiconductors and all modern gadgets. uh, phones use those discoveries based on them, which made zharos ivanovich did he think about it then, but, of course not. this was the development of fundamental science. you know, for me, after all, here is leontiev's idea. why did i start with them? it seems to me that it’s not even about the differences in fundamental applied science, but about in what sense is the meaning of education valuable knowledge in general, because i recently did it here and

started with great pleasure, we began to implement a new program for children in sirius, and when we wrote it with colleagues sat and pinned me to the wall, uh, practical results. i fought back said knowledge. this is generally a value in itself a person is there to seek the truth. and here , including on this topic. i would like to talk today, so there is also a magnificent saying, e vyda. lucy of the historian arnold, then the healing of education is not mercantile, but religious in the broad sense of the word, religious, and only then does education really work. it kind of creates a real person. well, valya alexandrovich, as i understand it, including and inspired by these thoughts of tommy, you recently published, as it is now customary to say , a program article on education in the russian newspaper. i would even like to quote a classic so to speak. er, with your permission, of course, yes. we already remember everything, we are all the more so because you have already quoted him. a new education system

needs a far-sighted plan now a person enjoying, consuming a person who manipulates need a person, a whole knowing creator, eh. so free only skills and competencies. they won't take it out here. need to build the foundation of a future integral society. here is a little, could you say a few words on this subject. and in general, why are you writing the article for what and what worries you the most? the world is at a huge turning point, first of all, western civilization. it has completed the 600-year cycle of its development. i didn't come up with this, it's still a spenger, but in fact it's the best. this is our compatriot american and russian-american sociologist pizzerias. sorokin of course, this is an idea that has been an idea for many years. and what rim sorokin wrote about in the middle of the last century comes true literally. and what will happen next and this confidence that this is our future to a large extent depends

on what our children, our grandchildren will be like from education, whether they will be mercantile or they will think broadly from here. i hmm come to a simple idea and this idea is not my three institutes of knowledge of the world of science art. here an educated person should understand how these institutions are arranged. what language do they speak, for the last 200-300 years science has supplanted religion and once again here to the audience got me right. i'm not even talking about the need for the law of god in school, or vice versa, if muslim, but scientific understanding. yes, of course, ways of knowing the world. well, of course, your language , your methods, your goals, of course, the best scientific book on this topic, written by the sociologist e

burheim. uh, more than a hundred years ago elementary forms of religious life. i don't even know if he was a believer had a burgher, but the book is great. she talks about how religion is at the heart of society, what is ancient australian, what is modern, because the ideas are the same, why are schoolchildren and students not told about this. of course, a very broad understanding of religion, but let's not check others now. and how now tell me, that’s how difficult the position of an official , yes, which you now occupy allows you to do what we started talking about philosophy and education and should officials of the ministry of education of science deal with philosophy of education or is it still the task of the ministry to be more degree to decide, well, some applied things that without which will not spin, here. i can talk about the tasks that not only

our leadership sets before us, the government of russia, but in general about the tasks that, probably, each of us must set for ourselves, and in this sense, it seems, any official should think the phrase of the day. she sounded thinking. well, think about the future, too, uh, while the ministry of science of higher education, because the more you have to think about the future, because hmm it's about . eh, maybe everything is in such a distant future of ours, but what about the time when e our children who will now receive education will graduate from that university will determine the reality in which our country will exist, but there is another set of tasks quite right. he was noticed. this is to ensure the current functioning of the image. a system to ensure the interests of our citizens, but let's put ourselves in the place of any parent who thinks about the fate of his child,

who now needs to go to university. he what does he think that man, that he should get an education find a normal job grow up decent worthy person and based on these considerations ensuring the interest of people. we must ensure the quality of education that meets the demands of the labor market. we must implement the educational function. we can't. yes, at the university to instill in a person a conscience or some kind of integral moral qualities. but we can try to develop them. this is also an important task of higher education. and so, well, the search for, uh, a balance between such visionary aspirations and the solution of the problem of today, this , by and large, is the reality that which the ministry lives, but look here. this balance i agree, but it seems to me that the imbalance is so great when my classmate wanted a senior. if it allows, right? i'm just e eighth grader

says i don't need literature. i need math and russian, because i'll be running my dad's business for 14 years. this is a sentence for you and me friends. yes, because we have brought them to a point where at the age of 14 a child already thinks so, but aleksandrovich here are some really wonderful things that you write, how, uh, how, how to implement them? it's a major rebalancing of everything. well , i also agree about the balance, but only here is what we have on the scales and i want to recall another classic. this is yan kamensky , this is the great yang kamensky who came up with the idea of ​​creating a school lessons classes that still exist for more than three centuries. this is a great man who invented the school. so yankommensky wrote about the goal of education education should see a person to eternal life. well, i'm not calling. here's to translate education. i don’t know in this form there,

so that the monks there, uh, they taught children, but what was the scale for centuries. what do you understand? of course, i answer that this is not the management of my father's business, therefore there are 350 years of the school that kamensky created because he set grandiose goals for himself grandiose, we lack the scale and if my paphos is in anything, the old world ceases to exist. well , let's take a swing at creating a new world for centuries, so that it is strong, fair , as far as possible and smart. well, you know, i still remember even more ancient things, when they were born. many really related education. these are the greeks, who, as you know, not only did not know that they were ancient, but they also did not have the word culture, and he had a word for the idea. which we can translate as education and upbringing. yes, and as a culture, what is payday payday - this is the ideal that we

strive for, that we want to achieve. this is the upbringing of the ancient greek. yes, this is the peak to be climbed. and it seems to me that the pragmatization of education today. it has created a significant imbalance. you are right about parents, but we must really focus on these wishes of parents and the employer, too, the question is simply to ignore them, we cannot. no , it can't, but that's exactly what i'm talking about. hmm, we must consider the interests of those who live. today i think about the future, and think about those who will live tomorrow, think about our country in 20 30 50 there are 100 years about managing my father's business. well, this is not a sign of today and the cab will take you anywhere. it's something else, basically it's the same thing. undergrown, uh, who they believe that everything is given to them when there is not enough family education, it is not enough to instill oneself from the very beginning, not

only at school. moreover, you are no longer at the university, but in the family it is the values ​​of knowledge, as such, e, knowledge, as elements of culture, and, if you like, vice versa. eh, culture, as an element of the idea of ​​the world. eh, worldviews, after all, unless education should prepare for eternal life. well, it seems to me, hmm, not only the family, the school , the church, of course, three. these are in this sense, probably, yes, yes, it's not alternative ways of education. yes , they must have been one together, probably, of course, and then, if we remember well, educated people and the recent past and tsarist russia and actually contemporaries in our look passed educated people. they do not have a set of skills and competencies. it's something more. it's something. much more , therefore, of course, education higher education is not yesterday, neither today nor tomorrow

it should and cannot be reduced to obtaining some set of competence skills. is not er, well, not a trade school, how nice to hear it from your lips, how thank you. and who spoke differently for many years? it seems to me that filling out the forms every time. what skills and competencies should i teach students. i've heard otherwise about competence. i have it in the article. i love these arguments of heisenberg the great physicist and he said hmm that in conversation with boron or other great ones also slept. yes, these were the great men of physics. this is the dawn of physics, of the twentieth century in general. he said we only then understood how the microworld works when they began to discuss it, talking about it in the language of image and symbol, of course. at the same time, the formulas do not cancel the experiment, while it does not cancel, but images and symbols are actually the language of art and religion,

including only integrity, as konstantinovich says, only integrity allows you to comprehend the truth. and as you suggest practically that's how we should come to realize this rethinking of education is the first step. yes, you need to take the school program from the first to the eleventh grade to analyze it, and since it is necessary add art and religion hmm delete everything that you i'm not konstantin ilyich consider superfluous the second step of art. how to teach art? well, i recently read an interview with lecturer mifie. he is very proud that they have a magnificent academic choir. well, there are hardly more than 100 people. well, how much is not 200 for this, how to teach the arts is an even more difficult question. but as for those religions, and what i see today, this is not what i intuitively imagine should be at school, hmm, and

there’s nothing special in knots add on no, even there, uh. i studied physics. it was a magnificent university. there, of course, in my opinion, not enough was not enough. do not know how now lips unitary constituents of education, of course, is not enough. we must try decisively as a first step to present a different program of school education. just scratched. i found out when i took up this topic. let's say in the course of foreign literature school all literature. western european, american, but there is actually, china, japan is the arab world. no i'm there on foot, experts believe that poetry has reached its peak precisely in arabic. in the world of the thirteenth century and that's cooler than poetry, i don't understand experts say, in short, it's difficult, probably, some kind of sentence scale, but nevertheless. and why our children do not know

about these peaks, it is necessary that every educated person knows about the peaks. here is the pinnacle of alive pisi. this is the pinnacle of poetry. here is poetry, it happens like this, but sometimes it’s different. have to get rid of and someone has to take this decisive step. i'm ready with you haha. well, you are absolutely irresponsible people, as there was no school education. enough already running after a favorable rate, activate them in the megafon application , even i am konstantin how to improve this taste in a delicious point using 100% chicken breast meat, so you feel the taste

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