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all the boys who could, were all at the front, and he came lame, and there they had such a shame for the movement, a wonderful teacher. he did so much with him. and when he was already handing over the scenes of movement. the dance no one could even guess that he was missing two toes there. he married early. i know, yes, well, how early they finished. mom, they studied together. yes, mothers are also frontal. she worked on an ambulance train, she was a nurse. she had already entered gitis before the war, and the gigiti of her evacuation, and mother went. so a nurse on an ambulance train, then the ambulance train stopped. mom came to gitis to find out, and classes were already going on there, and she came, and in her tunic, too, and she didn’t have any clothes, except for gymnastics, she had boots and he, too, and so he approached her, says, you were on front. she says, yes, well, i was. and this somehow brought them together, and then they still traveled together, lived in the same area on ivy, and now. dad, he says, we went
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, we went, we went, if in the forty-fifth year, they signed all the time, i want to cry, when you listen, in general, you can even film a movie script like that and that's it. life. he was faithful to one single woman, your mom , at his wildest popularity. and this is his modesty is somehow unusual. he's a car, victory is like the latest mercedes today, i don't know how i found it. yes, and he did not drive close to the center on the volga. he does not drive up. tell him but the victory before e, gave the military unit. after the living and the dead, a decommissioned victory. then he bought himself a volga uh, with this same uh. hmm littering. and now on this car. he didn’t drive up, somewhere he stopped 100-200 meters from the theater and said that why would i be like this
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? modest always glasses. yes, jeans, by the way, were hard on friendship, or there’s no such soul of the company, heavy on friendship, he had a certain circle of those people. these were the great writers. these signs are absolutely merezhkov, really. here is his such tenderness and such love for andrei mironov that they were right. eh, that's practically one organism. yes , he was never friends, they were just legendary. what is there, almost from the fact that they left one after another. this is all untrue. they were just partners with andrei alexandrovich, in my opinion, alexandrovich was their grief. narcos was before the neurons at uh, the funeral said that the next one would be, but friendships like this, we thought that, as we uh mean, what friendship
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was not. they just were good. uh, friendly partnership relations yes, yes, and not because they could not live without each other. and such tenderness, well, about which legends are composed. uh, anatoly didn't. yes, specifically. i wanted to tell you. that's when they went to concerts andrey alexandrovich yes, anatolyevich said here. and then there was a total deficit. that’s what andrei aleksandrovich was going to siberia then, he agreed to go to the base of something, there they will bring some things from the base, bring some good things to them there . this is always andrei alexandrovich and he always said anatolyevich let's go to this restaurant for lunch, because mironov would be there. it seems to me that such a modern fashion is very much more modern, and when he entered the theater, the train of his french cologne at that time, so it always seemed to me too. what a strange, what an interesting friendship here, and two such wonderful actors, but dad was great. he was friendly with merezhko. here is the last
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guess with viktor ivanovich and he still had two friends. this is odnoklassniki, they are both artists. yes, he was not a party person, he was once with a messenger, they still drank great but with dad, on the same day, when it began to interfere with the profession, he quit alcohol. it just so happened that his mother died at the wake, he got very drunk, and his mother was always against the fact that he drank all the time scolded him for it and he gave himself a word. it was the seventy-second year and died. he is 87th 72nd year to 87th year. he never drank. he directed it like a director. uh, one show. yes, and there was a role for you, and he said that lenka is just your role, but suddenly you will play bad, but he says no. this is when i finished gitis. of course, even in general in
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my personality. i should have wanted to be working on this satire, but my parents didn't welcome family. especially my mother said no. although you know at the time, it didn't cost anything for dad to go to the point of me, of course. we would have taken to the theater of satire, but my mother said, no, she will never work with us in the theater, because she will play well, the artists will say that their parents trained them to play badly, my daughter, papanova, played badly, so i went to the yermolova theater here, and then already hmm in his last year. dad put the last gorky and he serves me , he says, there is such a steering wheel. there is for you. i say, dad, of course you want, i say, i really want. he says i also want you to play that role there. hmm hunchback. yes, i really want you to play it. and after a while he says, you know, let him still say, dad on his own. give it back it wasn't practiced. it's often there all the way around, but then it's still impossible. it was said, you know what they will say.
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well, papanov brought his daughter. come on, here now would be to play. and then i will lead you, and then it did not take place, because this summer he left in life. he only had surrender though the soviets know so interesting. ah, in soviet times, we used soxport films, if you remember, we went abroad, and i was in mozambique with a picture of a cold summer of 53, and i remember this film frame by frame, it is one of my favorites. i now he's the greatest around. and now the hall is sitting in mozambique, a film is on and they are laughing both directly and at the pope. wait they thought it was an e western hmm and when the script was brought in, uh, lately . mom used to read scripts all the time. he had no time to read to us. she says, just not filming it's a western. why do you need it? and your mother said that she didn’t understand it, and he read it himself, he says, no, i will act in film. and you know what else he said.
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nadia i haven't acted for several years. i have already begun to forget. hmm, this is a brilliant film and a brilliant role. let's see a snippet. and this was the last role he became. you are such a human being it will blow me apart. now everything is about to change. i was taken away in '39
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. do you represent a wife? from a bottle so that they do not write. alive dead stunning in papanov
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there was nothing from the famous artist being very famous and recognizable, he was burdened by his fame and shunned everything that could emphasize it, he was hiding behind dark glasses and there were no nondescript clothes. there is nothing ostentatious in it, alexandra proshkina, the director of the film, coldly let the third , recalled that papanov, unlike other people, did not advertise his intelligence and through its outward simplicity. suddenly quotes from a sea lion would break through here, then he himself, shy and delicate, did not tolerate anything else like that, when they climbed into his soul and fenced off, we played a performance from this on those tours, on the last ones in vilnius, we played capercaillie's nest and anatolyevich we somehow always behind the scenes somehow with some such jokes there is something like that. i was here, he was so collected, he was somehow so sad, and he said, i
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say, well, anton was just filming. after all , he was tired of the war and remembered that he also had this, of course, war. she told me in it that's how it was for him. in general, the decisive thing is that he fought, and he wanted to pay tribute, he said, i want to act in this powerful basis. by the way, we have a fragment from the performance without duhar. let's get a look. i hope what kind of decent absolutely from the very proletarian origin mother in our eighth arch trades father plumber, but he is still in prison. love
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i forbid you to meet this girl. yes, i forbid. yes, you don’t have to say that naturally. and maybe i'll marry her for the health of the community. they rehearsed for years. can i tell a story about this yurt. you probably know, uh, that means when they found out that there would be a capercaillie nest and dad knew that he would play sudakov. and here my mother plays the role of the wife, right here in this performance. mom plays his wife, and before that, olga alexandrovna aruseva came up to him. she called him tolic. well, you know, she says now listen, go to the beam, and ask him to give me the role of your wife. he says, ok olya, he went to the tulochka. alisa nikolaevich said tolya wants to play this role. a got
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says. yes, and i wanted to put on your wife, he says, and as you wish, he left. you see , this is how it characterizes him, here. when he never asked for anything for his own? uh let you get married. i got married early. they didn’t want me to leave so early at all, i immediately graduated practically together and got married here, especially for a student. well, in general, you repeated, yes, the story of your parents. i even wrote a letter to him when i left for my first tour. the tour was long and no one came know anywhere until it was introduced was very boring. i wrote this letter to my parents. well, sort of, take me away from here, like from a kindergarten, then they took me somewhere to some mass meetings, met the actors and suddenly they give me a receptionist. they're a letter from dad. this is the only letter that i think is like a parting word for me for the rest of my life , dear daughter well, hello, it's hard
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for you to understand, but what can you do, it's our acting life that's good for you right away. it's not easy when you start easy, then it is difficult to fight with illusions, do not tear into the clouds from that stronger one on earth, and it gives you bori in itself envy, hostility towards comrades. this is poison for any creative organism, as stanislavsky said, love art in yourself, and not yourself in art , an artist, like any artist, needs to travel a lot, observe, absorb , accumulate material. with pleasure. i would go to kemerovo and tomsk, that's where we were on tour, where is your fundamental principle, an actor's curiosity artist man conducting. after all, it is so interesting, for sure, they differ at least from muscovites and the dialect, probably, is different, other moral habits. for example, as soon as they arrive in another city
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, they immediately go to the bathhouse. there people are exposed not only physically, but also spiritually and morally. how interesting is that? how can you be bored? do you think that anton pavlovich chekhov, sick, rode on a bedpost through all of siberia in the rain, and in the cold, for the sake of boredom, for the sake of a thirst for creativity , you need to educate yourself the need there will be no time for boredom, that is about girls. he is your daughters. well, i caught it, of course, yes, well, it was good grandfather was a good one. well, work again. he came to us infrequently and all the time, when he came, and there he would play with the children, when he left all the time he put money in my pocket. and why did you say? quiet so only mom, maybe they had some kind of agreement so that we kind of lived on our own, right? i remind. and this is
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a letter. we are talking, and anatolyevich papave and i have yuri vasiliev and elena popanova as my guests. yuri tell me, what did he teach? anton dmitrievich, this is the most important thing, maybe you even refer to it somehow, yes, this is what i ’ll ask him for the style of 47 years already. i'm in the theater and, of course, i understand that this is what we get at the institute. these are all such basic approaches, not even a profession, everything begins in the theater. that's when you are the partner of priests, this is where the school begins. actually, in addition to the fact that he listened to every performance. he knew the tonality, he needed that's the tonality of the play. how is the performance going, where you need to add, where you can take a little bit, if the rhythm he needed to hear it, see it, then approach, of course, he was a rabbit carefully, very much, my wife and her child were sitting at the patriarchs.
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i saw anatole with a sword, he was walking and he was rehearsing something alone, as if always nothing like that, and then, of course, he had a fantastic property, he could translate a comic situation into a tragic one in a second with one phrase. even in the capercaillie's nest here comes the scene. there they tell, and at that time my classmate, with whom i did not have time, hanged himself, so i had to talk before, seeing his condition, and he is there something like that they are joking there. and suddenly he turns the bookcase like this. he's like a funeral tomorrow and i understand that this is the second plan, that he thought about it all the time. but memories once played. we and left concert in a large self-service dining room. spectators are few catering workers. papanov and mironov, in turn, a duet and three left
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the washing room, read something, they played jokes on situations, we naturally didn’t like it and i reduced my program to the minimum is the same, we’ll do the same, but either i’m worried that he went out to this more than modest and far from festive audience, as he performed his program with full dedication on the stage of the kremlin palace at the congress. that's respect for a person. in principle, yes, for me it is so revealing. i know that there was some kind of rehearsal, but there was a director of the kidneys and svetlana ryabova participated, and something didn’t work out there and her square offended. she ran away in tears and her endometrium caught up in the corridor and began to soothe, looking for candles. this is my fault. it's me who doesn't work with you. you will succeed. everything is fine. this is generally, of course, from an adult held. but such a level of an actor to hear such support. it's forever.
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i went to a concert with him, probably the last one persuaded him to go to the military unit, where the son of this administrator served, so that he would be given a leave, and he came up to me for three concerts and went to earn a little. we arrived there, and now we are driving up in a car, a company is standing at the hotel, soldiers are standing, generals are standing, and they are all honored give anatolyevich, they simply accepted it as but this is what we are talking about, he was so worried, and so he wipes his hands with a handkerchief. i say anatolyevich, what are you worried about? he says, julia is good, the artist is always worried, absolutely believe the truth. and for me, for example, it is difficult to imagine that anatoly dmitrievich was a different person, and not that one, that's what you are talking about today in such a superlative degree, tell me with
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burning eyes. yes, yes, 2022 is the year of anton dmitrievich papanov. and even this year 20 years on and on. yes, e year banana in the theater of satire yes, here we are. on may 9 and may 9 , it was on victory day that we played such an evening dedicated to anatolyevich and we always remember him for a century. we and lena were and the whole family of some kind. let's get a look. recently, the theater has begun to do a lot of satire outside the repertory to drink for beauty, it is unpleasant that, uh, almost the entire corpse participates in this performance. i'm not talking about the adult artists who worked with him
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remember him, and i'm a youth who never didn't see housing didn't work together and this association is worth a lot. many thanks to the theater of satire for doing this and to you very much. thank you thank you for coming. i remind you, this is a podcast of letters, my guests were the daughter of the great anatoly dmitrievich papanov, elena papanov, and the artist of the satire theater yuri vasiliev thank
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you very much. hello dear friends. this is a podcast life of the wonderful and i am with you its leading writer alexei varlamov and today we will talk about a wonderful writer , public figure chingiz aitmatov, on at first glance, it may seem that aitmatov has an exceptionally enviable fate. he lived a long full-blooded life, wrote many excellent novels of romanov stories , based on which films were made, performances were staged , translated into many foreign languages, he was a major, public figure, a happy family man. he was loved by women respected by friends. in general, a beautiful
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finished, like a novel of life. in fact , this life had its dark sides. there were sad and tragic pages, and maybe that's why the work of ching for this opaque, if you read it carefully, rather sad than joyful. that is why this happened and we will try to figure it out today. so chingis stukulovich aitmatov was born in kyrgyzstan in 1928 in the family of a prominent party leader. his father trekul was really a man, an outstanding one of those people who believed in the revolution and went to the revolution and served and achieved very great heights in this public service. he was the second secretary, and the republican regional committee. i do not know how to formulate this instance correctly, but party was even a time minister in kyrgyzstan , then he was sent to study in moscow and
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so the childhood of the future soviet classic, childhood. chingiz aitmatov had a happy enough, well-fed, very interesting childhood. moreover, he went to school in moscow and lived on povarskaya street. and what is also very important since childhood, he was actually beling, he knew the kyrgyz language very well, he knew it so well. russian language, then the kazakh language will be added to this. this also determined a lot of fate. uh, chingiz aitmatova but this the happy time ended in the second half of the thirties, when clouds began to gather over trekul aitmatov and, realizing that a very sad fate awaited him, the joke managed to do the most important thing. he managed to save his family, realizing that death awaits both him and his wife and his children, a difficult fate awaits, he managed to send them to their homeland in kyrgyzstan, away from
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e moscow, away from frunze, to the village of vail, as they say in kyrgyzstan, and the last, what an eight-year-old or nine-year-old chingi managed to remember for aitmatov, this figure of his father, when they said goodbye at the kazansky railway station in moscow, the train started, father ran after this train. and they never saw each other again, after a while the trikul was really arrested and the family did not know what happened to him, chingiz aitmatov's mother succeeded. even if not immediately, but we managed to find a job as a shield grower on a distant collective farm, we managed to get some kind of housing, and there, in a distant kyrgyz or growing up, it was like growing up. uh, chingiz aitmatov there he went to a kyrgyz school, which is also it is very important that at first there was a moscow school , then there will be a kyrgyz school. he was very
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educated, very quick-witted , able-bodied and studied well. and what is also very important for the years of his growing up fell, that hard test that happened to the whole huge country to the very huge multinational soviet peoples of the great patriotic war. and, of course, this war also left. clever trace in his fate and in his life, and of course in his work during the war. he worked as a secretary in the village council for sound was a smart and capable boy. sometimes he had to do a very hard job of carrying funerals home, and therefore the war, of course, left this indelible mark indeed. the trace , although the stamp, so to speak, is an indelible trace , but it really was a wound that hurt in him in the same way as early associated with the loss, but of his father. and after graduating from school, he chose
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a good, peaceful, useful profession, a profession for technology, then he studied in the capital of kyrgyzstan in the city of frunze at the agricultural institute. in general, it would seem that he was waiting. this is the fate of a rural worker, but in chingiz aitmaty, talent spoke , talent spoke, artist talent. goals and another very important afterword, the relationship of his own relationship with his father the fact is that the family really did not know what happened and only in 1956. after the twentieth party congress. they received an invitation to the local state security committee, and there they were told that tricolor had been shot back in 1938. and all the hopes of the mother all the hopes of the children that their father that the husband lives somewhere. even
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started a second family. all this collapsed. overnight. they were orphaned a second time. and this wound continued to ache, continued to bleed , and it was not for nothing that chingiz aitmatov would often return to this topic; it is curious that he began as a translator, since he was fluent, fluent in kyrgyz russian. language, then one of his first literary experiments, it was a translation of the story by valentin kataev son of the regiment. but when he came with this translation to the publishing house. he was told that the story had already long ago translated into the kyrgyz language, there is no need to translate it, and then he began to engage in his independent literary work. he entered the moscow literary institute for higher literary courses, which i am especially pleased to note. tverskoy boulevard and one of the very first stories, than gay for aitmatov which is called jamila
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brought him not just all-russian, not just all allied, but brought him world glory is indeed exactly how jamil read in france classic of french literature by louis aragon, who, by the way, had a russian wife, elsa tripoli. and we can assume that it was she who pointed him to the debut of anyone. i thought the kyrgyz writer ragun admired this story - he said that it was romeo and juliet e, paola and francesco and and this story was the preface of maragon, according to some version in the translation of aragon, it was published in france and then was translated into many other european world languages. and aitmatov can be said in one day in an instant became such a famous writer and it was absolutely fair to say that this story was read very differently both in kyrgyzstan itself and in the soviet union as a whole,
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because it was right. a very bold move. and this act of this girl is very ambiguous. e, i read it, then now, maybe we will look at everything differently, but at least for the then reader. it was unusual and some critics of such a more conservative. tolka believed that this is the destruction of traditional foundations from destruction conservative values, but aitmatov looked at things, and that's exactly how it is here. of course , these facts about his biography had an effect, and the fact that he did not grow up in a kyrgyz village, as usual, was affected. it was just a teenage boy who lived in moscow who received this, well, you can say, european moscow soviet education with this experience. he came to a kyrgyz village, and therefore his view of the village was
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precisely such a view, and the townspeople in the eyes of a capital man who was really outraged by these customs, when a girl cannot control her own destiny, and when she does not have e freedom of choice and actually aitmatov in this story, he sang this female independence. that is, women's pride, women's freedom, everyone, of course, remembers the wonderful picture of the daughter of kyrgyzstan. here we can say that aitmatov's heroines, here they are all the daughters of this new free kyrgyzstan and this freedom, kyrgyzstan brought it was the soviet government that brought socialism and therefore aitmatov in russian soviet literature certainly started as an absolutely soviet sincerely, a writer who believes in the soviet idea, and even the tragic story of his father.
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at these early times, i could not overshadow his own faith and conviction that, in spite of everything, socialism is called upon to bring goodness to people, the color of enlightenment, and in fact, in the republics of central asia, not only in kyrgyzstan , but also in other republics, this is exactly what happened and this topic itself such a civilizational breakthrough. here is such a sharp development. kyrgyzstan, it may be even sharper and more dramatic in another wonderful work of our hero in his lead the first teacher. and if, in jamil , the actions take place during the great patriotic war, then, in the first teacher , aitmatov goes even further into the depths of history, and there the time of action is the first soviet years after the revolutionary years. there you can even quite accurately date the events of this story. this is 1923-1924, because the main character of this story is his name duchon.
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and this is, uh, an illiterate man who believed in the revolution and who comes to a remote kyrgyz village in order to carry this color of the revolution in order to bring enlightenment in order to carry out this cultural revolution in the distant e-kyrgyz ail, and that's all. this happens in the year when lenin dies, and it is very important that the portrait of lenin is like a portrait of an enlightener, like a portrait of a hero of his time. it hangs in this school, which duishen vaili created in spite of opposition. the inhabitants of this village, who do not understand at all, why do they , who lived for centuries and did not know how to read and write, did not need a letter for their traditional way of life, why do they need their children to be able to read? which actually
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speaking in this sense, but the passionary duyne believes that it is necessary to free these children from such an age-old, and captivity from the age-old slavery of a backward life, and the means of this liberation serve as the means of this liberation. education and although diversified himself can hardly read and write, nonetheless. he kindles in these children, and the fire is another important geographical detail. aitmatov is generally a very geographical writer and the landscape is nature, but mountains. these are all the heroes of his work. so in this story the most important hero is the cold river. uh, such a fast turbulent stream that children have to cross to get to this school, there is no bridge and when winter comes, when the river becomes quite cold, it is already a cold mountain river
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. this icy mountain deschen carries these children on itself and this is the role of such a carrier of such an interpreter from the old world to the new world. here she is shown in this story, very visibly, very convincingly , very artistically, but the old world does not want to release these children. and actually, uh, the acuteness of this conflict between the old and the new. she is especially clearly felt in the image of the heroine of this story to the girl of a fifteen-year-old girl, whose name is altynai, she is an orphan. she grows up in a family. e, among strangers who do not love her, and whom she does not love, and it is very hard to live in this family, and she, like no one else, understands that the teaching and this new world, which the teacher of the dishen promises. here is a dream. this is the way to get out of this bondage.
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this is her personal chance, and so she learns, but and the old world, as i said, does not want to let her go. and here is such an evil, greedy insidious aunt, and at some point, duchen decides to marry her to a rich man, and a kyrgyz who lives, and in the mountains, actually. and the most dramatic moment in this story , when the girls, altynai is kidnapped from the school of duchesne, does not want to give it away, but he is powerless against several strong e men who arrived, and take away altynai and. and, altynai , against her will, is given in marriage that night. i became a woman writes. she, because, well , the story itself is built, like such a written confession and the heroine, and further dushen.
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still, with the help of soviet power, with the help of the police, he restores justice, and achieves that altynai and a, as it were , dishonored and dishonored in the eyes of the village, but not in the eyes of cheaper, but not in the eyes of the new government, but not in the eyes of the new world, but they send her continue to study and uh, as a result, uh, this story at first glance has such a happy ending, because it becomes a doctor of science, an academician. she reaches there some incredible heights and at the same time, and the very tone of this story. it is rather sad, because what i am saying is a story within a story, this story frames the fate of the teacher dune himself, who remained in this village, who remained not someone who is laughed at, but who participated in the war later, therefore it gives such a dull hint of getting into the camps. perhaps during the war he was a prisoner. but altynai’s fault before the cheap wine of this
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woman who made a career in the soviet society, well, in general, she’s not very happy as a woman, because duishen remains her first love. here are all these circumstances. they betray this story. such a sad shade is very interesting, something cinematic author and many of his works made wonderful films, but, probably, one of the best films was shot just according to the story of the first teacher and the film is called the first teacher, and the director of this film was a wonderful a soviet russian and film director andrey sergeevich mikhalkov konchalovsky it was his debildny film and the film was really a success, however, very it is curious that if we wind up compare, yes , if we compare the story of the film, we will see that the accents are left completely differently in
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the story of the cheaper teacher. this is actually a saint, this student is a person who sacrificed himself to the cause he serves, and in mikhalkov-konchalovsky's film , duchon is shown as a fanatic, as a person who does not shun any means in order to achieve his goals, he cruel and not very pleasant. actually such a different interpretation of this plot. it is, of course, speaks in favor of chingiz aitmatov himself . but the most interesting thing is not even there. the most interesting thing is that when this film was shot, it generally had not so many chances to be released to a wide audience, because the picture was not liked, neither by the kyrgyz authorities nor by the soviet authorities. in general, no one else saved her either. like chingiz aitmanov himself, after reading the script, seeing
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the film, even if it is strong, distorting his own ideas. chingistr ikulovich, highly appreciated the work of andrei sergeevich, stood up for her and the voice of the author of the story had a very great weight, especially since by that time chingiz aitmatov was no more no less than the laureate of the lenin prize of this very prize. they awarded him for his early literary work in 1963, when our hero turned 35 years old. it's not just age. dante is the age of the father of chingiz aitmatarkul , who was shot by his son at the age of 35. at the same age, he becomes the laurent of the lenin prize in that very country. it contains special
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