this is a psycho-emotional stress so that they can rest with them for extended vacation periods. uh, they have, uh, a relaxation room, what does that mean? this is right here the control room and there is a special room where the dispatcher, if he is tired, he can leave and that the sofa is warm somewhere and rybki swim. uh, the coffee and tea machine, the sofa is comfortable. uh, just sit for half an hour with your eyes closed to rest. let's get back to your work. we talked about how applicants come to you, she releases. here's a man unlearned let's say 5 years. and here he needs to get a license or a diploma again, he must pass your commission when a person enters an educational institution. he is also witnessed annually and

in his senior year. he is also undergoing a medical examination and a psychologist is also looking at him in order to determine whether a person can still be allowed to fly an aircraft or be a dispatcher, and he is also tested psychologically at the release of some kind of tragedy to unlearn and then it suddenly turns out that he is not allowed to rarely happens at work. but it happens, but this is something incredible tragedy generally speaking, if a person wanted to be associated with aviation, this is really a tragedy. well, it happens when people come to aviation, because relatives work in this area and so after school they said to do the same, they also visit doctors, sometimes you graduate from a medical institute and you don’t work as a doctor for a single day, and there are times when, say, i didn't pass the lacquer. and after a while, like, i was established. i can come again, there in

six months in a year to say. well, yes, of course, but there is a case when, for example, a person is declared unfit for work, he is sent for treatment, and if the treatment was successful, he can be re-testified and be allowed to work. this happens often enough. in our work, almost every day we send someone to be treated or recover after the person was hospitalized. and in the hospital it happens and outpatients can be treated. just some other hospital. have you ever encountered anything so extraordinary an acute case in your work was. well, they come to us already for witnessing. and well, it does happen. this witnessing is extraordinary, if a person falls ill. well, for example, it happens after a heart attack, this also happens, or after

a stroke, people come to us. they are most often found to be unsuitable. and if time passes, then they can be allowed to work on a stroke , i understand. ah, that after a heart attack, it happens to recover so that they are allowed to work at work now, yes, and even after heart surgery, there may be a permit to work, if i see such patients quite often. if a person has large atheroscopic plaques, uh, a stand was placed in the vessels of the heart, or maybe even bypass surgery was performed on the person. a year can be allowed after shunting. yes, if everything is in order, if, uh , all hmm, the person’s indicators will be normal, if the operation was normal, if there are no complications, if the heart is working , the blood supply is good, yes, let’s assume? i want

to ask you. i understand that there is a time period, there are circumstances that are not comparable to a calm civilian life, nevertheless, well-known cases from childhood without a leg are a pilot, and he is not alone. i don't really imagine our peaceful civil life in civil uh, that such a case could exist anywhere. well, there is definitely no such thing as civil. because there are still strict rules that are better not to break. after all, why did i ask the case about this, because not in the physical state in which he was , it's the same character, it's psychology. and this i want to have exceeded i can, but suppose to meet. such a case today now and what? well, theoretically it's not possible yet.

well, at such a normal time, it is unlikely to happen. yes, when witnessing is carried out , professional qualities are always taken into account. uh, the person is asked for professional reference. whether he copes with work or does not cope, and the central flight commission, and can stand up for those rules that are prescribed here in the federal innovation rules, then specific parameters and additionally examining by looking at the professional characteristics of a person, weighing all the pros and cons. maybe, allow a person to work with restrictions, well, this does not even happen rarely, for example, with what? well, for example, uh, a person’s vision indicators are slightly worse than those prescribed in the federal revolutionary rules, an ophthalmologist examines additionally and, taking into account all the data of a person, it can be allowed with restrictions. are there any

restrictions depending on the type of aircraft that is supposed to be operated? yes, of course, if this is, uh, a vessel with one pilot, then the requirements are much tougher there. we even have special restrictions to work only in multi-crew and work only as a co-pilot. so if suddenly a man needs to endure such a restriction. he cannot be admitted. here's to managing one local aircraft small aircraft, and small aircraft. and what do you have to do with small aviation, private pilots also come to you, of course. they go through a commission with us, they generally have to go through testimonies vok well, if something serious, they get into the tsok, that is, do you work alone on board, do you work are you in a crew of two? or it doesn’t matter if it’s 3-4, it’s a big board, you still

have to pass the flight commission, either at the place of work or the highest, if something doesn’t suit you, right? yes. please tell me what is included in the survey. here comes a man. here i am 65 years old. and here i am there, for four five times a day, i go to your hospital for a complete examination, what is meant by this check-up, what is it, but before conducting a witnessing, people are trained by all these specialists, uh , they pass, uh, a general blood test , general analysis urine glucose cholesterol. the program is e-fluorography or chest x-ray drug tests e, a psychiatrist, a narcologist, if there are any diseases . this is the minimum standard set for everyone , and with a certain age , an examination is supplemented, for example, a velometry

test or ultrasound of the cerebral vessels also with a certain age, for example, a psychologist looks if a person is 65 years old, and he went to the hospital for an inpatient examination. again, there will be tests. e will be e, velometry test or trend test for in order to examine the heart there will be an ultrasound of the vessels of the brain of the internal organs. after passing all examinations. uh, the man goes to testify to the flight commission. there are doctors there - a neurologist, a surgeon, an ophthalmologist and an orrach, sometimes it is a psychologist, a cardiologist, after all these doctors, uh, gave their opinion on the suitability of the unfitness, the chairman of the commission examines all the documents at the meeting and makes a decision on the suitability of the unfitness for work or maybe

a person is sent for treatment, and for many interested. and what is this wonderful chair that is spinning for? you sit in it and it starts to twist you in different directions and then ask you different questions. it's why there is a directly defined requirement specific to e, operations professionals and one of those requirements. this is good vestibular stability. uh, when a person twists on this chair, otherwise he may develop nausea. uh, some kind of cardiovascular reactions and at the same time a person should not be allowed to. he can't be at work. he can't be normal carry overload. here are the sharp turns. well, today, thank god, we passed the flight commission. and now we are admitted with you to the flight of the podcast. everyone wants to fly, by the way, all our podcasts repeat.

you can watch on the website of channel one one tv point ru the wedding was leonid yakubovich hello this podcast easy money i am its host mikhail khanov russia supports the transition to the yuan in foreign trade relations with asia africa latin america is the words of our president and now the share of the yuan is in foreign trade calculations in russia 16%. this figure and not only this one from chinese characters into ordinary human language. nikolay vavilov will help us to translate today hello nikolay e, nikolai e. some ivet, publicist, author of books on chinese power, 10 years of living in china, and aleksey gordishenin. hey, entrepreneur. uh, chairman of the board of directors of a russian chinese investment fund that invests

specifically in technology, what is especially important? hello alex, hello. let's have a simple question. now. i think that if quite simply for the layman in a sense , each of us is partially also in some areas of the layman. well, it's quite easy to answer there. you said a figure of about 20%. now the yuan occupies our trade turnover, but i think that this figure is based on various estimates. she will grow. moreover, to grow rapidly, of course, they gave a better forecast for growth now at 16-20 - this is already a reserve. i think that in the thirtieth year it will be from 30 to 50%, and this is serious, because the turnover. right now we have about 200 billion. in reality, if through third countries, as well as counting the trade turnover, there, like malaysia, singapore, hong kong, this is what is not taken into account in the official customs, as the chinese russian goods turnover is also 220 billion dollars. that is , this is a value that reduces to trade with the european union. that is, china for us is actually becoming the second european union, the second eu, and an important point, in general, in principle, we are

talking not only about the de-dalization of its organization , and so on, we are talking about the fact that its ionization is happening in a better world, that is, they it is possible that your, let's say, savings are in yuan. you can safely spend at resorts in iran such as the united arab emirates which work very closely together. something with china is happy to accept yuan in exchange offices, yes, and vietnam and indonesia, and with them all countries and argentina, please , lovers of exotic cuba, where there are a lot of chinese tourists. that is to say, roughly speaking . yes, not to mention asia, the issue in europe is open in italy, for example, it's easier to do. yes, in some other countries more difficult vitali gigantic. this e trade economic relations with china in milan are the whole suburbs of the chinese. so there in naples in rome and so on, france is the same, that is, the question is whether it is a replacement for dollars in general, yes, but how good a replacement is. this question is now the chinese market. yes, now here is a good entry point for those who yearned for investment.

you know, it is very important to understand how investment exists in china at all. the fact is that the chinese invest in real estate. or in investments, as soon as real estate inflates a little, and they liberalize the market accordingly. investments and money go there and vice versa and thus a balance occurs, because it is important for the chinese economy to ensure that they are available at the moment when they need, and the raw materials and for this, but it happens. well, in my opinion. uh, let's say manual regulation. yes, here are these investment opportunities, respectively, when this is the moment of real estate growth. that's when it means that the moment of entering the chinese stock market is now such a moment or not. i think it's worth waiting a bit now, but from my point of view. and if you already invest, then you still invest in indices, that is, not in specific stocks, but still either by sector or broad, because nikolai yes, we

don’t live in china, we don’t read chinese newspapers in the morning. let's go for our audience. we will remind you that we traditionally do life hacks. let's take a pen and write down that right now, uh, it's not the best time to enter the chinese market, i'll add, that tightening is going on all over the world. eh, i say, smart words. monetary credit monetary policy, well it simply means that the rate is raised and money is withdrawn from the stock markets in this way. the central bank of the us federal reserve is fighting inflation, uh, which, well , so far it is weakly yielding to the efforts of the regulator, but uh, i would say wait, but our experts also recommend waiting. well, at least the end of the twenty-third year. let's go back to the level a little higher in order to figure it out after all. here is a russian with a chinese brothers for life. and how will our relations be built further, what is it? yes. this temporary partnership is an alliance. is it friendship against someone or is it long term. here is a relationship, indeed, built on mutual trust.

let's start with a figure, and we all read a peppy report that, at the beginning of the 22nd year, the us trade turnover was about $32 billion . with china is 750 billion us dollars are still the same, yes, that is, this is a figure that is three times higher than the current seemingly insanely growing trade turnover with china of our country and immediately into this issue. who really suddenly china has who is their main partner. and who is actually just trying to become one. based on your statistics, i can say that in the first 4 months, the cosmic growth of 40% continued . we have an increase in trade with china. but chinese american goods china's exports to the us fell by as much as 14%. and apparently this is due to the fall in solvency on the american market and certain barriers. so, uh, the tools

started this economic grant. he really fell, and then they added no. he flew up again, the chinese american. and now it is already regardless of the politics of the conjuncture. it falls again, that is, the world enters into faces and everything is certain, and if you look at the history of this turnover of russian chinese. if in the fourteenth year we had, we bought more from china and sold less, that is, in fact, we used our foreign exchange reserves, which received in europe to buy chinese goods, well oil and gas income. now, on the contrary, we sell more there than we buy. that is, and this, by the way, is an interesting story, for example, with data - this is for a long time. this is a very good relationship for a very long time, we will experience high peaks of the peak of relations , according to my estimates. about 30 years old alexey is still, uh, returning to the stock markets. we found out how interesting the chinese stock market is for russian investors. the russian market for the chinese, in general, has some interest, you know investment funds. met in china yes

to care for their activities. i noticed that they still do not consider. for now, uh, serious investments. here, uh, the stock market. yes, and in-techniques of our blue chips. what, you know, is more interesting. e more deep investment, yes, that is, investment in enterprise ownership. a-a full share is not a share package, but let's say institutional investment. yes, that is , when they are bought, they simply buy. well, you can in some way, yes say, so a china, uh, is expanding its enterprises by buying local enterprises and such the most interesting ones, of course, this is the auto industry, of course, ours, of course. uh, i think they're interested in the auto industry. uh, no, it's still, but the production of cars from my point of view of the production of machine tools. ah. them. it is interesting to go to buy our sites

and completely. i am thinking of integrating my enterprises, because we have a shortage, and this, and hmm, let's say a car and a equipment, and accordingly, they would like to get this market by organizing. certainly, here is the assembly shop in the first place. i think chemical. for them it is extremely interesting, that is, repeatedly. i heard that here is our enterprise, which is now supplied in a large share, by the way, speaking specifically to the chinese market. they would be interested in owning this and enterprises. certainly. we have, uh, protectionist measures to protect our market, and this process is not going as fast as, for example , in african countries, but nonetheless. we have to keep a balance here. we must also defend our interests. eh, let's say so accepting investments should not spoil the investment climate, but at the same time protect it. we owe our interests, taking into account what you said to alexei, is there any danger that the chinese will really begin to dominate the field of technology, too. and when we constantly say that we have it on the flag of import substitution. it turns out that instead

of developing our own technologies and engaging in import substitution. we just switched imports from one part of the world to another. yes, it used to be the us well, more of the european union now. this is our china officials are not afraid of this. here nikolai will also have this question for you. i think this is how we are in the situation. when do we have the opportunity? we have the potential to uh thanks to the geopolitical situation, but to improve significantly. uh, inside the internal situation of internal production. whether we take advantage of this or not depends precisely on how our entrepreneurs will work, and how our officials will work, the chinese will give us such a chance to nicolae he emphasized that there is so much construction there that is a promising area of ​​investment, and here the issue of the revival of our own production and industrialization is being carried out, which we face with this issue and personnel and design schools and certain subsidies, and there are certain economic

zones. and if we act like in the soviet union in the time of the sales industry, when american, in fact, machine tools, american engineers, were the basis for our own building of our own industrial, that means bases, then yes, this is probably quite. if not, then well well, of course, it will happen. as you said, that is, we are simply reorienting from imports, and from some goods to others, but there is a certain sequence here. i think that after all, not everything is so bad, but in light industry, after all, we still have some kind of soviet base, this is the food industry. well, there are many different types. there, in principle, import substitution is very effective. i would say quite quickly and well, according to the logic of development, and sometime this should pass in heavy engineering and from the staging of the structure and so on. that is, it is a question of our own efforts. and the chinese do not mind selling us machine tools. you do not mind the fact that chinese engineers came here to fix them, and so on, the question is only in our own efforts. this is an easy

money podcast. my guest today is nikolai vavilov whales. vet economist and aleksey gorodishenin digital entrepreneur, returning to your topic with the peak period of our relationship for 30 years and , in fact, connecting it with the last trip. refrigerator namesake er mishustin to china er, the question is, and these, to put it mildly, not very pleasant negotiations on the power of siberia 2, which are so important for russia, yes, because the power of siberia it works well at full capacity, but this is yakut gas . it is very important for us to find a use for the jamaican gas that was flowing. actually in europe and now remained. well, to put it mildly, it’s not a lot. and that’s why the siberia 2 forces are so important for russia, but the chinese are completely openly lobbying, and their own negotiations with, uh, turkmenistan as a supplier yes, through uzbekistan tajiks. here and there, partly through kyrgyzstan, absolutely, not embarrassed by the situation

that just before our eyes , a conversation is being conducted with two sides. moreover, the visit of mishustin, who directly discussed this topic, who would like to discuss it, the topic was practically not raised. it's that it's a minute-by-minute attempt to bargain for better terms. and this pressure is pressure. this is soft power. this is an attempt to show this in the owner's house, that this is in the context of what you said that we are at the age of 39 practically a strategic key partnerships. well, let's start with the basic things for our viewers strength. siberia 2, these are not containers with boots to load and this is not done at the same time. this is a mega project. they always discuss her projects for a long time , remember any stream there, but the south north and so on. these are, well, long-term big projects . they are discussed for a long time, but here it goes straight, playing against competitors. it's one thing to agree on investment price figures, it's another thing if you want, we'll go. at a difficult moment, what about mikhail vladimirovich, i

so i still disagree with you that the main task. it means that it is to conduct negotiations successfully and to strike hands and conclude two of them within the framework of this visit. still , it was not announced, that is, well, it would be good for her it would be good for all of us to have a salary four times more. so here is the question. first of all , it has always been the largest gas supplier in turkmenistan. china is always much earlier than the self alone. there is a ready-made infrastructure for the supply of so much space to the mill. i'll correct you a little for the time being, kazakhstan according to the almaty akimat, where the main actions were for 22 years. this year they overtook turkmenistan overtook. well , look, it means the total, uh, gas consumption of production and consumption. gas. now i can make a little mistake in the numbers. this is about more than 300 billion cubic meters per year, and turkmenistan supplies china. well, god forbid there are 30-45 billion cubic meters, you understand, will there be a place? for everyone, this is a gigantic market. it grows there goes, moving away from the coal that used to

be used. it's not environmentally friendly that she 'll destroy her air as a matter of fact. and this will be replaced by gas. if we agree next year almost on ourselves two in a year and so on. it doesn't matter sooner or later you'll get over it. this is the first moment. yes, first of all, we did not break up. secondly, the ethical point. here you are open negotiations and so on, and the chinese are asking you. now the tap has been turned off in the west. and what about you that you appeared at the border yesterday? you, as strategic partners, treat you badly. you ran to us. here is this ethical moment, do not forget too and when, by the way, advice to our life hacks was talking to the chinese someone will work. you build long-term relationships, because the chinese remember everything, how you felt before how you feel now and from this strategically plan in the future, so there is no need to rush to its strength, but i agree, firstly, with the management of gazprom that sooner or later ? we got billions. our uh, that means we will bring gas exports, because i emphasized the strength for myself alone. this is very important for the context. she reached shanghai ahead of schedule and was supposed to be in the twenty-fifth year. she came

at 24, that means 23. oh, and beijing in general at the end of the twenty-second, the beginning of the twenty-second year. we are already heating beijing in fact. our gas is used there. these are huge successes. and most importantly, because it does not go to the center. china is a pipe, and it competes with american gas, so here it is generally in the background. we gas for our audience sails on ships to ports. at the same time, china is also becoming overtaken by japan in terms of gas purchases. that is, it is the world leader who is generally afraid of the fact that we are a little later. we'll get through a little earlier and so on from turkey let's have enough gas. and now our audience will leave us. thank you very much for such a detailed story. in general, let's write. eh, dear our listeners, tv viewers and just viewers, that you should not worry about some kind of temporary, let's say , a plug or delays in negotiations, that the size of the chinese market is so large that it allows learning. although there are many players , including the cathars we forgot, yes, which

is also a gas supplier in yes-yes-yes one of the largest suppliers. and uh, let 's think about how global recession does not happen and that china at least does not fall, but develops, well, at some pace and a place in this market. enough for everyone the question is alexey, according to your experience, how difficult or easy it is to negotiate with the chinese, as entrepreneurs, how is it built? what is the difference between the negotiation process with chinese businessmen and what we are used to with europeans. you know the theme of negotiations, it is very multifaceted. i have spent hundreds of hours chinese in real live negotiations, they lasted eight and 10 and 12 hours of negotiations. nikolai correctly said that they require , first of all, a long-term attitude to these relations. yes, that is, you can't. ah, look for a short-term profit as well, because the chinese will not come. let's say they have. so their mentality, their idea of ​​it differs from ours more. but it must be said that, well, how many we are 30, there are 35 years old.

we have a market economy. yes how many years e in china the idea of ​​business was formed and when you start to think about it , you understand that how many years it is and in the negotiations between russian and chinese entrepreneurs there is a relationship, in some way, an older and a younger brother. and we, uh, are often imposed precisely. uh , let's just say, but such a model that partners should be equal, and in the chinese mentality there is an understanding that there is a younger brother who has become, that is, equality does not happen. yes, they are very clearly lined up in every relationship. and they may differ. and now we can go back. yes we are the little brother russian entrepreneur younger brother, but it is very important. this does not mean that at our expense, and china can do something in no case, but because, after all, the relationship between the younger and older brother. this includes a relationship of care and mutual love, so it is very important here. relationships, and relationships come first and mutual understanding. and

this means you need to understand the chinese mentality nikolai excuse the question right away. do you agree with this theory that we are now in negotiations for china's little brother as older brother, but nevertheless there is respect for your brother, too, that there is respect for our position, i absolutely agree. but i would still leave, this is such a rather dangerous rhetoric. who is younger who is the older brother? a? well, imagine that now china will enter into close conflicts with the united states and the only oil supplier, and china’s 75% dependence on imports means oil abroad, and the only supplier of the overland oil corridor is in russia, and if russia turns off screen not everything, there is an economy that will be subject to both barrique and sanctions in due time. japan in their first oil year. she simply will not pull the question here, who does not compensate whom senior audits for this operates means the united states navy will have already

shown that they are capable of conducting these energy terrorism. and this is true. so it was, by the way, a signal. the chinese read any signal regarding russia as a signal regarding yourself much more dependent it now. i 'm trying to long enough security council nuclear umbrella and beijing security and so on. i would move away from this territory, whoever is the eldest younger, brother. i think that there are more, it seems, the concept of good neighbors and comrades, if you need to build truly equal relations. a and. i think that, like russia , it would be difficult now to resolve its issues without a chinese emperor without a chinese one. it means exporting our resources there, since china in the future, it will also be difficult now, because if you really look at the picture, then china's neighbors to russia are practically almost the only country with which there is no territory of real disputes, provocative questions. now i’ll ask yes at the moment, yes, when there are already two full-fledged centers of power left at the moment

in china, it’s profitable to call a spade a spade the continuation of this sluggish conflict in the center of europe, or is it beneficial for china to support russia so much that, let’s say so together, by joining forces already to the full compete the us is already really. in fact economy according to various estimates. even the chinese economy has overtaken the american economy and has come out on top in the world in terms of gdp well , let's just not talk about a clear advantage. there, however, if we take the total gdp there, uh, china, indonesia, and even the same vietnam, well, if you add south america there, then it exceeds, uh, the five so -called developed countries. i think even the seven in terms of gdp, china is profitable, uh, it is beneficial to continue this conflict there or it is beneficial, after all, complete it and localize it and closing in order to continue to compete on the net economics of the answer. the first - this means in china and not the beneficial

destruction of the chinese european ties, he needs the direction of europe to be relatively stable, and the second moment in relation to himself in relation to, in general, europe was stable. and, well, in relation to yourself , since china supplanted the united states as the 101st trading partner of the european union in the twenty -first year, then, of course, consider europe to mean that this is chinese european relations, it is beneficial for them to capture europe, as a market and pull europe out of the dominance of the united states and thus on this, to base china's dominance in the world the second moment. let it be a formal loss for the united states . it will be a peace plan for ukraine, everyone will accept it, and so on. that is, it is beneficial for italy, the unprofitable defeat of the russian federation is the third point that should be fixed. and is it beneficial for china that we reach, for example, the borders of hungary this is a debatable question, nevertheless, here, but it is very important to understand this. aleksey what do you think about this? how profitable is china, uh, exactly is it unprofitable to continue

the escalation of the fading or completely localization of the cessation of the conflict? i think china is a good observer, but he just looks at the situation and use the opportunities that these situations give him to learn to draw conclusions online every second. yes, he just observes the situation and, uh, there are always some processes going on. that is, it is only uh, in the western sense. yes, that is, the development goes up, then the fall up and in chinese understanding. this is a constant series of ups and downs in the form of a wave-like development and in view of this. that is. they simply observe the situation and at the moment when it is beneficial for them to do something. they e will be restrained humbly. uh, so to speak e to act in their own interests, so i'm well, so to speak, a small expert in geopolitics in this sense, but i can definitely tell by mentality. and they know how to wait for the chinese. and most importantly, this is

especially felt in the negotiations, yes, and the chinese do not show their aggression. and let's say so such a peaceful position. it gives e fruits in that, including its ionization, including the spread of chinese authority in the world, because they allow the local center to remain, and they allow decision-making, and some kind of national identity to be preserved. that is, if western values, they are imposed, then chinese values ​​are still, uh, they are more tolerant. uh, in my opinion , alexei has been added to world politics at the moment, they are chinese. yes indeed time factors of time are perceived a little differently, but they do not know how to not just wait, they know how to form negotiation conditions for a deal. well, here it is. or not, what does the largest mean , the logistics company of china, before the election

of the german chancellor, almost concluded a deal to buy the port, hamburg a, in which the offsholz was the burgomaster, and they formed certain conditions, personally. e, associated with olaf shois knew, as a result, we bought and there was a powerful discussion. well, i was the first to call olaf the chinese highway. so she was a lobbyist then it was already in the german one, accordingly, the thing obviously became a long discussion, they were allowed only 24, and 99% in this port to buy a macron exactly the same way you think it happens on its own, and the chinese have not clearly formed the underlying conditions for their victory i think that it is not just to wait, but to form the conditions so that the fruit itself of mature types has its own yes, your hands, direct action really counts. well, let's just say, low, the qualification of the player. yes, a couple more questions. there are to our both experts. the first question about

what can we still offer to china besides hydrocarbons, except for raw materials, except for metals, except for, well, traditional oil and gases, as far as i know, your fund is engaged in the sale of technologies in china, but it sounds, well, almost fantastic, here are a few words about it. and that china might be interested in russia in addition to raw materials. it has always been hard for me to look specifically at the growth of raw material turnover, because in my opinion in russia , the most valuable thing in russia is human capital. we have unique people absolutely amazing creativity, and in fact, when we come to china in technology startups with russian technologies. we see that these technologies are initially ahead of what can be developed on chinese soil by the chinese mind

. e create industrial robots, but we have technologies that allow manage these robots in this regard. uh , it was a discovery for me when i came to the largest chinese enterprises and the most ordinary engineers of our, say, perm university, uh, were simply on my head. e was higher, a for example, the chief engineer of one of the largest electronics manufacturers in china that is, i was convinced from my own experience that we have very good minds. and when we bring technologies from russia there, we try to preserve intellectual property on the territory of russia and sell a license there, because then it turns out the most let's say so sensible cooperation, then we are not sold there. excuse the giblets for the expression. yes, but we are collaborating. yes, maybe we understand that this is our life and here we continue the idea, and the younger and older brother, and he, as an older brother, buys our technology, but

buys the right to use it in this regard. i believe that the technological backlog in russia is absolutely not implemented. and we have a very big nikolai. you have examples of what you can buy in russia in addition to raw materials. i'll supplement alexei and move on to such things. yes, there really are companies like huawei, they actually work like a vacuum cleaner in russia, uh, they actually recruit engineers and there is actually a certain brain current, and there is a task in a target way. yes , this means mission impossible chinese means brother. let him use terminals from alexei to force not to buy licenses, but to make joint ventures here, or even in general, yes, this is very difficult. you know from the automotive sector that basically they don't create businesses. they mainly export. it is convenient for him to produce chinese there, which means that the workers are there. well, that's how you need to study, and this is the mission before including and before the positive authority to put, so that these scientists do not flow there, so that these

developments do not flow there, yes, a license, this is generally very successful. knowing the chinese, that they can simply buy a lot, which means that they will clean up without paying anything at all, but the license, again, the license fees are controlled by the chinese themselves. they are the masters of of their territory, that is, of course, the chinese should be forced to do it using our influence on china. that means a joint venture. you will be surprised that there are practically no joint ventures between russia and china by the manufacturer. easiest they are simpler, either they completely build money. plant plant operates. why did they use such a term from alexei and social investors, it’s easier for them from the point of view of the operating system to do everything their own now about examples. specifically , that is the most growing industry right now. this is agriculture and products primarily processing in the future. these are food products. the chinese do not trust their food industry. it is absolutely toxic. love everything that is produced here. it doesn't matter where russian butane kazakhstan is always ready to take with a bang, because if only it wasn't chinese, china

doubles food imports every 3 years. this , well , the question is already close to microchip imports, now we take wheat processing, what, for example, floor, what is good from bad varieties of wheat, this confectionery is obtained. yes? and this is already, well like you're grinning. yes, it's in the billions tens of billions of dollars perspective, and since we're here, that's a very interesting question. we have not touched on an important topic, the chinese economy is also part of the world economy, it can also have very serious problems, but life is paradoxical at the same time. for all that, and as a geopolitical ally, we will most likely occupy shares of states unfriendly to china. like australia means the united states and so on. first of all, food. here you will be surprised, but the americans shove, which they export. china is holding on. it's just one of the promising trade wars in fact. but at the same moment, the chinese came to and said, give us 20 million tons of esr, we will agree in half 1 million. in the far east they grew up, they

just shook and walked around the offices. so, we couldn't all give them soybeans. here in this volume is a very interesting moment. for example, when do you expect the reorientation of the industrial sector to the chinese foreign market ? which for imports means inside chinese. that is, you need to change the production line. he already has a product in general. that is , you need to focus all production on this chinese market. this is a very difficult choice between the european market , the chinese market and so on, then the load, when the chemical plant run polymer helium is already supplied in respectively, the products are ready products from the gas. we always have oil and just chemistry, chemical is always better than everything that is artificial crystals, knowing a successful enterprise that produces. it's just that we have a cleaner, it's artificial , and so on. everything is great with us. the nizhny novgorod region, there is petrochemistry and chemistry, chemistry is simply developed, perhaps due to the fact that there is the lowest cost of

investment in science. she remained with us, but this theme is bottomless themes are bottomless. let's uh one more question. i'll ask us e at a party. uh, in the easy money podcast, igor sokolov was the dean of the moscow state university departments of the vmc, in general, igor sokolov is a professor of mathematics and cybernetics, and we talked about the fact that external students are external students are precisely the chinese for russia now for our top universities and it is for knowledge that the chinese come here. and in principle, i know that there is a reverse flow and russian students also travel or are starting to travel. e to china this is now a trend . alexey, you know the russians, i really study a lot in china. i am a trend of recent years, or it has always been like that. i've been watching it for the last 10 years, that is, over the past 10 years , every year there are more and more russian students. in fact, china is very there are many polytechnic technological ones. well. is it physics or lyrics? i think so and so the point is that you understand. and for example, we have a good mathematical school. yes

, fundamental education, but we have a weak, for example, practical implementation of this education. that is, we do not have the same huge factories. yes, where there are a hundred of these very robots that can be controlled, but here's what i wanted to say this process is very, uh, very dangerous, because when our students come there. they receive education there after university in china has a very good student adaptation program, and most often our students stay to work, and the chinese actively support this with a grant policy. they help with housing. we need to fight more for our wash now in the direction of china e. a question about education to you, nikolay, how much do you, agree or not, that the trend of recent years is an increase in the number of russian students receiving education in china yes, i think that in the last 10 years there has been a definite explosion, but in chinese students who traveled in the usa it is up to 300,000 people. we now

have about 7,000 chinese students , yes, that is, here, firstly, there is a huge reserve for our universities to accept these students. i think the growth could be up to ten times in the coming decades. yes indeed, this could turn into a back line budget line, similar to reverse growth. uh, there in china because there are some promising areas here 90% - this is the humanities - this is the language. and in my practice there were students who are my friends, yes, so they are there i try to study biochemistry, but it is absolutely impossible. just not knowing chinese at the same time on a par with chinese students. eh, complex sciences can be obtained through chinese, but those who are planning to purposefully stay there to work, somehow, go. well, at best . i don't think so. so we still have open borders and you know a little bit about digital rockers. but these are russian chinese nomads, most likely, they will have several years of work ahead of them. with a chinese company, several years of work in the russian companies and then, there may be some relocations, but the most important

thing is that you are in a chinese company, it is unlikely that you will reach the head of a department, most likely you will just be an ordinary employee somewhere, well, in the operational direction, and in russia there are more prospects , well, as usual, and few people like to give predictions, but let's put it this way. eh, we'll try to make it our experts. now. eh, the ruble exchange rate. yuan, a little over eleven rubles per yuan. and what is your forecast for the coming year, what will be the exchange rate? i don't think anything will change significantly. i think that we will about the same cut between currencies. i agree in general, that yes, most likely, it will even be, but 10 rubles. even this will be. well, the nearest prospects. it will be less. thank you very much. thank you alexey , thank you nikolai and the topics of really homeless relations between russia and china can be discussed for hours, we tried to fit into the format of our program and try to highlight the main aspects. starting from how promising relations between russia and china are in general, what the chinese need from us, what the chinese need from us, and how

in this way , we will continue to build our relationship on the geopolitical arena of the world according to this is a podcast of the creative industry and in the studio roman karmanov elena kiper and we are talking today with the great soviet and russian writer sergey lukyanenko somewhere else write a psychiatrist right, yes, former former, well, the former does not always happen a big mystery of how a writer gives birth to such massive huge works. how is it all born? how are you? how do you nurture you compose? or they come by themselves? for the most part, they do it themselves. i don't really think that here

the profession of a psychiatrist is very important doctors, of course, there are many among writers and among science fiction writers too. well, there are dentists and surgeons here. this does not interfere, but in fact, a medical education, probably, gives some kind of plus. like any education teaches. with a systemic look at the world, and since childhood i loved science fiction and for me, as it were , the main favorite technique when i started writing was to bring some kind of unexpected into the world fantastic assumption, and only after one single assumption appears. you can watch what's going on in the world. is it possible to teach to be a fantasy? uh, it's a difficult question here. you can help me learn. you now have, uh, two projects at once. as far as i know, these are the stars over the donbass one and another workshop of lukyanenko - it's all about

young beginners. uh, unknown, uh, writers, well, who or who thinks he is a writer e according to your observations. here. e. how many people from those who were seen can become a writer, really in the future after all not exactly my project. hey, i 'm in it. it began 5 years ago as a project of cultural assistance to the residents of donbass , because people were completely cut off from the media environment. they could not see the favorite performers of the writers, and we came to meet the readers. they just showed that they were not forgotten. what about? m-m literary workshop, uh, right here, really. i think this is a very important big deal. uh, writing is a very lonely job writing. mostly sits at home, at the computer and writes. you know, how in the first years of soviet power,

writers gave the name of a single handicraftsman without a motor. this is how we stayed. as soon as we got a motor computer, and in order for creative writers to somehow develop, he needs to communicate with colleagues, he needs to listen to you. not only read voices or there, everything is clear. there will be those who will scream. this is the best book that i read and those who will scream that this is a terrible graphomania, in general stop writing forever. and here is the opinion colleagues who also write to support them and criticize them. this is very important. and for this , all sorts of seminars used to exist. they were going to write or and young authors under the guidance of the masters. such as e snow vilenkin e, strugatsky well, many of our wonderful writers there. under the guidance of these, er, writers, they studied,

sort of trained, er, understood what was good and what was bad with them. this tradition was broken for a long time for 20 years, at least. and now we have revived it here, uh, the first such workshop took place in a fantastic city korolev in the moscow region and gathered 36 people from all over the country. uh, they moved out , they all saw for the first time that there are the same uh, people nearby who are completely passionate about this and communicated during the week , studied each other's texts. uh, the lecturers came. that is, it was such a cauldron where they boiled, and i just saw that when they left, they are still boiling, they continue to communicate. argue and show fragments to each other

it means somehow uh, and there was such a plot. uh, a person who thinks he's talented or not, talented he has the ability to take a pill. and if he is really talented talented, he begins to write with terrible force. and if there is no talented one, it turns into zombies into vampires and begins to walk and eat people in general. here , at the dawn of your activities. eh, when did you realize that a pill is possible? in general, eat already? well actually a writer, when he even wrote his first story he must be uh, in general, i am sure that he is a genius. eh, at least potentially. uh, here, without this, you can't do this job without this, because you look at the shelves of bookstores and you become. bad and you think what i'm doing and why am i writing something else? he has already written how much. and so on, but in a good way, probably, it was an atomic dream book. i have such an old, old, completely

written, in my opinion, 20 years old story. and when i wrote it, i suddenly realized that it was more or less good. i realized that i have it turns out and somehow noted it for himself. so it was joyful and then there were several more such works. there were autumn visits, after which i realized that i had written a good novel, and there was spectrum and a few more books. that is, every time. so, at a certain stage, you write a book and think. i'm great. i took some peak for myself and you can eat the pill again. and now young people are asking you a question. how money is earned, of course, they ask, because this is a scheme when a person works all day, and in the evening he sits and writes something. well, she somehow everything in her youth, maybe e ride. and when a person is already 30-40 years old, then in the evening you still want to relax a little, and not do

a second job of writing. this is also work. now i just advise everyone and say, go and engage in electronic publications, because young people now love it very much. e, such a reading format as e reading from a tablet from a phone and so on, there are a lot of sites. uh, where authors exhibit like this and, uh, where people pay. well the man announces subscription, says, here i am writing roma right there, read three chapters for free. if you like it, there for 50 rubles. you will read to the end there or at the table, who evaluates their work as a result, and as a result, some authors become super popular earn big, really big money, but there is another danger here. so, because the reader is a person who wants to always get what he already liked. and so the young author, he wrote his novel, everyone

there screamed. hooray man, suddenly earned him 20 years there. he wrote a book and earned there in a couple of months more than his dad earns in a year. his eyes are on fire. he screams. now i will write a new book, the reader is screaming, no, we like that one, write a sequel for the person already. as a matter of fact, there are no ideas for a continuation, but it is necessary. he sits down to write a second book. so now i'm writing a new one. no, he writes the third. then he says to himself. no, i'll write a new one. i'm a writer, he writes a completely new story and all his faithful readers. they say fu is not at all what we wanted and he sees that he is in a financial failure. and in as a result, a person begins to earn a young author, but he is forced to work. that's purely by order of the public. you always write what you feel, want what torments you almost always, i tried to work a couple of times, let's say, to order. uh, usually, it

was connected with some kind of computer games, that is, people create a computer game, it is interesting and they have an idea. but if a famous writer writes e a novel about our computer game, then it will become even more popular. yes, it basically works. eh, but when you write a novel like this, to order you here convinced motivated. you sit and write, but you feel that you are, in general, still doing. eh, not what he wanted. this is a very unpleasant feeling. i've been like this a couple of times, uh, i've written books, well, i don't really want to repeat myself. e to go to foreign territories with our films and our meanings with our books, as far as this is also necessary and whether there is anything with it, well, it seems to me that there is something i can say, let's say about myself. i don't know now , i think they will publish much less in

europe, eh, but in fact they are publishing now and the offer is still there and everything is going east very actively. eh, china is there and there is a lot of interest. there is an interest in our culture. in general, it has traditionally been preserved. and you can go there, you have to go. i'm getting out. there's now book after book in china. yeah, well, now we have box office receipts, if we talk about cinema, and very high, just literally these two months of releases to show, but we have good news, uh, next new year, apparently, that's it - will, uh, be accompanied by an exit. uh, a lot of premier and lie down actually a lot of things to cook? i think, i think, yes, i think, yes, i say again, i judge by myself by the number

of projects in which i am directly or indirectly involved. uh, it's projects that price, well, film projects, television scripts, selling the rights to the books. i see that we are very active here. now here is a spread of e on their authors and on domestic production. well, it seems to me that it is going even faster than many expected a year ago. he goes very fast. and he goes. that's what's good, it goes without centralized instructions and from above. as they say, we are all used to what it takes to be told from above to quickly develop your computer, there and so on. uh, it turned out that in the cinema industry, in general, people themselves. without a team start uh, design and make launch projects on that positive note. it's time for us to wrap up the creative industry podcast. and how i would like to talk more, we had a good talk. yes, we were visiting. eh, science fiction writer, sergey

luk, dear friends, until we meet again. thank you hallelujah on earth