in the footsteps of the bremen town musicians, are you really doing the second part? you see, we didn't even suspect. that the cartoon will cause such a resonance, so that the studio was literally inundated with letters and what is the sequel about, does the king mean? with the help of a detective and guards, he steals the princess, sharpens her castle, and the troubadour rescues her from there. and what party do you offer me to our bodrum has matured and become more imposing, we are considering different candidates, but the same party. yes yes. to be honest, i adore the bremen town musicians. well let's hope you agree. i'll leave it to you to read, if you like the script, then

i'll try to find it depends on you. to participate in the competition will attract too much attention to yourself. i mean that you do not need to climb into the loophole, you are a talented artist. balashov ran towards me and promised to help me prepare for the exam. bye. there's a big game on the air. today we will discuss the history of ukraine in many ways,

remarkable in many ways tragic and with a great element. unfortunately, with a great element of betrayal, we vladimir rudakov and i will be the editor-in-chief of the journal historian, and you recently had the 100th issue of your authoritative journal on your anniversary, congratulations. i wish you all the best. thank you, but before we talk about betrayal in ukraine, er. i want to say a few words about the betrayal that has recently taken place in russia in many respects the betrayal that was associated with the war in ukraine. i am talking, of course, about the recently failed rebellion. it's been 2 weeks, almost 2 weeks and probably. well, to say with confidence that this sword is not only failed. so what, he didn't have any serious

long-term, uh, repercussions, and that he didn't show any fundamental, if you want, uh, significant. uh, weakness, the russian authorities managed it like this, and in many respects as a result of skillful actions of the authorities, first of all , president putin himself and, frankly, if you want the political maturity of the consistency of the russian armed forces and the russian people. but when i start thinking about the events, and on saturday, when it was not issued at all, a was captured, and the headquarters of the southern military district, which largely coordinated the actions of the russian armed forces against. ukraine, when they were in this unexpectedly several columns of people who were connected with wagner and

personally subordinated to yevgeny prigogine, when they moved to moscow, it, of course, looked very, seriously and very threatening. and what is called carried by something that cost does not mean. ah, that was not a potentially very serious disruptive situation. i believe that was the situation. especially vile, because it happened during the war, because it happened not far from the front, because if this situation continued, then , probably, it would be necessary to withdraw parts of the front and open up new opportunities for the armed forces of ukraine, and i don’t have to explain here what it could have. investigation, some say today that the supporters are fine, but firstly, there is some kind of apology

, because many of them did not understand where they were being led, and what they were doing there is another apology, which, in general, is there were courageous patriotic people, at least in their the majority. and that they could have some legitimate complaints about how they were treated and some questions about how they got supplies of ammunition and so on, if they made these claims in other ways. of course, one could analyze. what were they right about? in what they were wrong and say some acceptable sins. well, what happened was an armed mutiny. it was a stab in the back, not so much and not only the leadership of the ministry of defense, not so much and not only the russian authorities. it was a blow to

back to the russian people during the war and there can be no justification for this and there is only one name for this betrayal. when we talk about ukraine , there was also betrayal. unfortunately , quite a lot at the beginning of ukrainian history, and especially in recent years after the collapse of the soviet union. but before we talk about betrayal. let 's see how ukraine was formed as part of russia, how they came to russia , and most importantly, with what territories they became part of russia. that is, you see what

a small piece of the territory of modern ukraine became part of the russian empire, when bohdan khmelnitsky and his cossacks brought themselves and the territory they controlled from poland to russia it was a very small territory everything that became ukraine after that, that is, after the middle of the 17th century . it came thanks to the work of diplomacy and military skill first of the russian empire, and then the soviet union and no ukraine. by the way , there was no separate territory within the russian empire, and kiev was for real. sisking where not only the vast majority of the population spoke russian, but in general they identified themselves with russia to such an extent, i must say that, uh, kiev was

in fact an imperial city. and the imperial city number one it's clear st. petersburg, the imperial city number two, it's clear moscow and there was kiev and many do not know that there was even the imperial court there and for many years the mother of nicholas ii, maria feodorovna, lived in the dual empress and she was a serious, and the imperial court, court princes, and so on and on and on and on, any noticeable liberation movement against russia in general and even more specifically against imperial power. did not have. before the february revolution began and staggered, and then was overthrown, the central government vladimir tell us how it was formed. that's

when independent ukraine well, i would know this, maybe even where to start. it seems to me that this map can even be clarified a little, because the territory that is designated as ukraine before 1654 is near. i at all would have written this small letter, not having anything against ukraine as a state, but simply means that by the middle of the 17th century, ukraine was using the term. in a sense, the outskirts of the russian state, and only now after bogdan khmelnitsky, in the terminology of the russian state and a neighboring state. it begins to be written behind the capital letter already as a certain territory, which declared its own subjectivity. e and made a choice first in favor of russia a. then, after all, a long, long time of metal until the end of the seventeenth century. what about seventeenth year? i would like to draw attention to the fact that the revolutionary events that swept the whole country in one way or another at the beginning of the seventeenth year in ukraine, e, took place against the backdrop of quite active work

that was carried out among the a-a population of ukraine, e, including the austro- hungarian propagandists, the author of the hungarian e, the military department and there e, a group of people who first initiated the autonomy of the ukrainian people's republic, and then it and its separation from russia in the eighteenth year they are , of course, ideological and financial. on that due to travel documents, but were seriously motivated motivated, including austria by the hungarian government, which recalled at that time was at war with the russian empire. this was done by open enemies of russia well , of course, of course, and if we look at the documents, but quite recently we are talking about this magazine. that's just wrote here's the number, which will be on monday. we write about this book came out very. and a collection of documents on the history of relations between russians and ukrainians throughout the entire period of history is several interesting documents that indicate that somewhere around the fourteenth year, the austrian authorities

deliberately purposefully. through the ministry of public education of the island-hungarian empire, they are creating, but, as we just said, npo a and on the territory of austria to the territory of ukraine , which financed precisely that part of the intelligentsia, and which, uh, spoke from anti-russian positions and which, in fact, formulated the task, and explain to the rest of the population that the russian empire is an enemy of ukraine and only external forces in the person of austria-hungary germany are able to give ukraine true independence, as ukraine became independent. this was even before the germans came to kiev correctly. yes tell me this process began to take shape, well, actually at the same time as the collapse. the central government in petrograd when the february revolution happened hmm very quickly, the process of disintegration swept the national outskirts, because for many, it was obvious

that the collapse of the central government was a chance for realization, including not only social projects, but also national ones. in addition, the central power was so weak and so frankly under the provisional government before the power of the provisional government and the soviets, of course, the central power was so unattractive that, in general, people did not have much reason to suburbs for this power. the most important thing is the central power in the person of the interim government. she took the position of not a foregone conclusion, that is, until the convocation of the teaching assembly, no questions, including national ones, she temporarily governments was going to decide this was used by very many national screens, primarily in kiev, because the question is not a predecision , the refusal to actually decide whether it will be one or it will fall apart. it was hung in the air and given at the mercy of those regional

, those local forces, which means they seized power, uh and uh, the ukrainian nationalist government. uh took advantage of this and uh the provisional government in e. v. petrograd actually. well, let's call things i remember, i had to go on about those initiatives that converged shortly thereafter was the bolshevik revolution and soon after. after that, the germans came to kiev. yes, yes, but the bolsheviks came to power folded the right of nations to self-determination, which actually opened the door for anyone to create any national state, including, of course, and including for uh, the guides of the german occupiers, including under the guidon of the german occupiers, for whom, of course , independently and the ukrainian state was another chance to negotiate more favorable terms in the negotiations brest-litovsk e, to oppose the actual new ukrainian

statehood to the traditional russian statehood, and e, the skoropad hetman, e, who can hardly be called ukrainian nationalists, became the head of ukraine. he was not just a russian general at all, but he was one of the very prominent courtiers. uh, and even got the title of detonta general from the king. yes, but this is the same story as they told the energies, who honestly served the russian empire up to a certain point, and then turned out to be the leader of the e, national states of influence. uh, and uh, skoropadsky wanted to organize his own army, there was a lot of talk. from this. in general, little happened, because the germans did not need any serious russian army on the territory they controlled, but most importantly , they overthrew kaiser wilhelm . what

happened then skoropadsky tried to take the initiative, to create a new russian federation in order to rely on all his strength patriotic officers, including the white army, which were there, but nothing came of it, and he was forced to flee, he emigrated, and this whole idea is actually with ukrainian statehood. it actually collapsed for the second time, because in a few years, because skoropadsky also came, overthrowing, uh, the regime of the central rada and uh, petlyura also came to kiev to replace skoropadsky for a short time and i'm right. vladimir shef is the first thing they arranged. this is a jewish pogrom. yes, well, because the petlyurs were such radical ukrainian nationalists, and therefore it was one of, one of the programmatic tasks of this movement, and strictly speaking, all radical nationalisms in ukraine first of all refers to this, they did not seem to forget, and

the villainous russian aristocrats killed count keller, uh, one of the heroes. e world war i. and they killed him when he did not resist just on the streets of kiev, but also began to break into the houses of civilians and arrange pogroms there and all sorts of outrages for those who are interested in the history of this period i highly recommend reading mikhail afanasyevich sarkhan for sure or looking at the book the white guard of mikhail afanasyevich bulgakov, he was there. it is also called that he described all this disgrace based on his personal experience. don't you remember what was the slogan of what was the cry of the petliurists when they broke in? glory to ukraine glory to ukraine well, you see, uh. here. i said that radical nationalism in ukraine always acquires anti-russian forms and anti-jewish, it seems to me like this. uh, a combination that cannot be otherwise

manifest itself in this territory, because ukrainian radical nationalism opposes itself to those peoples who, uh, live nearby, who are close by. after that, ukraine was in the composition. er, in the soviet union, for some time , some parts of ukraine were under german occupation, but no, er, ukrainian statehood. e, during the period of the german occupation did not exist, but the same story repeated itself, as the scarpathian nationalist forces hoped that they were taken seriously by the bandara. yes, in that including bandera yes, they will be given a chance to create their own statehood, and in the first and second cases, the german authorities who stood behind them they did not even consider this option, on the contrary, it caused it , as far as i understand, hitler's germany anger from hitler and nazism diologists , because it went against their e, aspirations and the territory of ukraine only grew within

the framework of the soviet union by the decision of vladimir lenin. this was by no means the result of some kind of ukrainian national liberation movement. i even said on the contrary, it was an initiative of the bolshevik government that had already moved to moscow, because, by the way, lenin and stalin, by the way, uh, hmm, put a lot of effort into putting in place of the donetsk krivoy rog republic , which weighed heavily on russia and the fsr rat, and return it how to, yes, push it actually into the bosom, created by the ukrainian, the soviet socialist republic, what he managed to do, and so ukraine was joined by a huge space in the east. well, after the great patriotic war, khrushchev actually handed over crimea to ukraine, and that was it.

if you want his personal gesture, it's not that there was some kind of national movement in ukraine again, or like some kind of public movement in crimea that was demanded correctly? this was also moscow's decision, so moscow's decision, which moscow did not agree to, will not be repaired by ukrainian pressure. i would add more to this story. uh, how comrade stalin annexed western ukraine by adding it to that part of ukraine that was already soviet on the contrary, meeting very serious resistance, and the leaders the anti-heltler coalition, however , ensured that ukraine received western territory and a seat on the security council instead of the united nations during the soviet period. where did it take place?

a serious national nationalist movement in ukraine western territory only western nationalist movement in those territories that in the past belonged to austria to some extent enjoy, but if you talk about central ukraine there i remember what a serious nationalist there was no movement. well, again, the irony is evil, history and the only encroachment to plant. there, national nationalism again came from moscow, because the project of this one, well, stalin's, in fact, is still lenin's indigenization, in order to compensate for the oppressed people, which means, uh, dictate. the e of the tsarist regime, er, was involved in the artificial planting of the ukrainian language, and in office work and education, and in the arts , and er, there are cases when ukrainian party leaders. they even paid off or bribed, which means that the relevant examination committees, which gave effective marks for knowledge of the ukrainian language, which was generally alien, despite the fact that their documents indicated that they were

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which will greatly weaken the central government and transfer great powers to the republics in august , uh, the kiev authorities, who are located there , the future president by that time, kravchuk, in the first days of the putsch, take a very cautious and wait-and-see attitude. uh, like an experienced party apparatchik. he does not understand, however, what is happening in moscow and whose will take and only when the scales in moscow are tilted

in favor of the defenders of the white house, that is, in fact, supporters of yeltsin, kravchuk occupies, firstly, the anti-e communist position of the radical second, and he was a former secretary for ideology, that is , a person who is the secretary of the central committee of the communist party of ukraine for ideology, who e throughout. well, probably for a decade and a half in various positions he was responsible for the correct what is called uh, there is no correct interpretation of russian journalism, yes, well, how could he be one of the leaders in the communist party, naturally nationalism. it was a threat with which the ukrainian communist party fought during this period. even sometimes it means inventing threats. ah, but after august, at the end of august, the process of e -sovereignization of ukraine begins and which is then formalized by the corresponding decision of the referendum . yeltsin was the person who most actively collapsed the central authorities, and uh. it was the russian parliament under

the leadership of yeltsin that adopted a declaration of russian sovereignty ukraine will quickly follow the russian one. for example, it was precisely russia is just like that, and here it set an example for everyone else; the rest already joined in december, when the central power had already virtually ceased to exist. uh, nominally gorbachev was in the kremlin, but all the levers were all the levers already, as if they had been transferred by the republic, but the meeting was taking place. e in belovezhskaya pushcha. there is yeltsin, there is a belarusian kevich, and there is kravchuk, and that's how they agreed to liquidate. soviet union well, it is clear that none of us were present there, but from the fragments that we we have. it seems to me that it may be that belarus played such an absolutely

helpful role, that is, belarus did not have a special program with which shashkevich came to belovezhskaya gazeta, huh? the package with yeltsin had a program, because it was important for yeltsin to be completely liquidated. uh, gorbachev's sparring partner and kravchuk had one of the real opportunities to achieve all those attitudes that he actually borrowed in the framework of the political struggle of the actually ukrainian nationalist movement, which by this time was in ukraine already gushed at him in such a fairly loyal attitude to him gushed, including because of immigrant circles and so on, which kravchuk e was in a strong position. this is because they spent december 1st in ukraine who spoke out. let's look at the figures with a significant majority for the independence of ukraine, despite the fact that the previous referendum, which was held in march there, that, including in ukraine

, expressed the preservation of the soviet union well, what an interesting question. when did this referendum take place? was it given to the people ukraine a real choice? let's see how the question was worded in this referendum today, not supporting independence means only supporting dependence. but then the question arises of depending on someone somewhere, a country on which we ardently desire to be dependent and thus work for it. as far as we know , none of the neighboring countries, none of the countries of the world claim to declare ukraine dependent on itself. it would be absurd. so there is no alternative to independence, only independent ukraine will be able to an equal partner to join any interstate community as neighbors , first of all, with russia closest to us , that is, in other words, vladimir. i don’t know , agree with me, as it was formulated. this appeal of the supreme

saint of ukraine to the ukrainian people was something said that there really is no choice. uh, there is no state that would be able to control ukraine, there is no state that would claim control over ukraine and, in general, everything that we can do about the current situation. this formally take over the powers that actually already exist, and there were no international observers. e, there was no control by the central organs of soviet power. that is, they took organized such a political, among themselves. i'm exaggerating no, i think you're right. i think that at that time demagogy played a huge role, which, uh, was presented as some kind of democratic values, demagogy. uh, for everything good against everything bad and among other things bad, of course, uh, stood up and the soviet union and economic problems,

which were attributed only to the central government and political destabilization, which , on the actions of the inept gorbachev and the ukrainians , were actually offered no alternative to the scenario. uh, here is a referendum to support the actual collapse from the outside and why i called u this story of the emergence of an independent ukrainian state. the history of betrayal, this is because there was a soviet constitution, there were relevant laws and procedures, which were significant ignored, moreover, by those people who have been faithful for decades. they served the soviet power. they were not involved in any particular kamysl, in any nationalism, even when the opportunity arose. they simply decided to seize everything that lay badly, like territory, like political power,

be it financial resources, and so on and so forth in such conditions. eh conditions of the collapse of the soviet union and in the conditions of boris nikolaevich yeltsin's stay in power in moscow, his foreign minister andrei kozyrev, which is open encouraged not only did not interfere, but the sovereignty of other republics, but they openly encourage sovereignty. and what seems unique to me by vladimir is that they didn't even try. and how did, say, the former colonial empire england france and so on. they didn't even try to talk about conditions. yes, separation or christie was some kind of such an attempt. and to determine who owns what, but kravchuk later wrote that he was ready for what yeltsin would ask, crimea to return russia but much to his surprise, the yeltsins. not even

i would have hinted at this to krafchuk, i would not believe 100%, but i think he is right in this, because it seems to me that at that moment yeltsin didn’t even bother with such trifles in quotation marks. it was important for him to achieve the main goal in his memoirs, which, well , at least published under the name boris nikolayevich yeltsin, he writes about the horizon of opportunities that opened before them in front of the country of russia and uh, that means uh. this suggests that no details of the future bialowieza agreements, not only were discussed, but not even worked out as some kind of scenario options. the ukrainian army did not have any ukrainian army before. it was the army of the soviet union and kravchuk and his companions unilaterally actually decided to privatize those parts of the soviet union that, by the way, were among the most combat-ready, because they were

ordered close to the border and had the best weapons. they actually privatized, but with the filing of yeltsin, because the belavezha agreements assumed that military units remained on those territories in which they are located and the introduction of those governments that exist in these territories is transmitted in exactly the same way, in fact, the black sea fleet and the base in sevastopol also turned out to be given to ukraine and i want to say that only the courageous position of the principled admiral of the fleet commander and so on that the black sea krasunova forced yeltsin and kruchuk back to the negotiating table. the moat was already in the summer of 1992 and agreed and divided the black sea fleet. and i have a russian military base there. this is how it was born for the first time was born truly seriously e not under the german gigida, but in the present an independent ukrainian state was born. uh, and i don't know if uh are ready. our viewers

agree that there was a betrayal by yeltsin and his foreign minister . and i think from a legal point of view. this is a moot point and i see no reason. e on this occasion to discuss and break a copy. but the fact that it was a moral betrayal in it. i have personal doubts. no. now let's jump right into the year 2013. and when the current ukrainian regime began to be abused, and ukraine was not very popular, but no one challenged the legitimate elected legitimate president and yanukovych yanukovych, in general, played a double game. he wanted to maintain good relations with russia, but at the same time he wanted to bring ukraine into the european union and make it part

of europe as much as possible, i repeat, without breaking ties with russia, and so he announced his intentions, but to slightly change the preconditions for his association with the european union, because moscow said that these conditions they would demanded some revision of russian legislation in relations with ukraine yanukovych agreed. here we turn to the european union with a proposal to clarify some of the conditions for the association of ukraine with the european union. what happened, i think, by that time the west had already made the final choice about ukraine and, in no case, was ready to allow any rapprochement between russia and ukraine , in fact, this idea is quite old in the us. in circles, she has been debating since the mid-nineties that, uh, ukraine and russia are always a potential danger, so whatever was done. uh, at least the mid-nineties until the thirteenth year, the point is to finally

tear ukraine away from russia, and this attempt by yanukovych somehow means to sit in two chairs. simultaneously. it was perceived as a kind of danger, a threat, and then the actual regime of yanukovych and, as you rightly said, not very politically stable. uh, it was decided simply what is called to demolish? yes, to what extent the ukrainian maidan, which followed a very retiring year, to what extent, uh, this was inside the ukrainian phenomenon and to what extent organized and financed from outside? well, if we talk about funding , then you just need to look at the statements, some of them were opened to us by mrs. nuland, who named a rather impressive amount that was spent in a short period of time on pro-western ukrainian ngos. e. i think that the scale of the intervention was

very large, because this can be judged, if only because all the technologies that we saw on the maidan in ukraine have been repeatedly tested in a number of countries and in a number of regions. it was a technology that could be thought of by the americans. first of all, transfer any uh piece of this new shara to any place on the globe and achieve your goals , but call these events , uh, the internal affair of ukraine, i think it would be wrong. uh, claims to power. any society of power does not do its job in white gloves, there are various contradictions that are inside societies are somehow allowed. here, a bet was made on throwing these contradictions into the most aggressive form and achieving a regime change, replacing it with loyal characters , in fact, acting on

direct orders from washington, that is, the ukrainian rebellion that preceded the coup, it was organized under direct participation, the west and c. in general, u victoria well, then, for the secretary of state for political issues. she not only did not deny it, but even walked among the participants of the maidan handed out a cookie to them and talked on the phone. these conversations were intercepted about how they would form a new ukrainian government in washington. this was proved . yes, well, i think she was even somewhere proud of this and did not hide it, because it was considered one of her main achievements. on this posts this period. and how did the ukrainian coup take place, which directly removed yanukovych from power. e. well, let me remind you that i still had an attempt to return this situation to some kind of constitutional channel. and

yanukovych, uh, put various political forces at the table that sought his resignation. as intermediaries. uh, the guarantors of compliance with the agreement were invited by the ministers of foreign affairs of france uh, the federal republic of germany a, which, with the participation of which an agreement was reached that yanukovych, before the end of the year, as far as i remember, will legally carry out in accordance with the ukrainian constitution of that , presidential election time. that is, in fact, he will not remain in this post, or at least hand the fate of the presidency into the hands of the people of ukraine and these agreements are backed up by signatures of major european officials after which exactly one day, because as soon as they were reached. eh, it's started. uh, in fact, the destruction of the then statehood with the participation of militants with the participation of the armed forces, and yanukovych, it must be said , proved to be a rather weak politician, and who

actually removed himself from further responsibility for the fate of his country. let's call a spade a spade. but these are the agreements that have been reached. they were achieved with direct participation. uh, foreign minister stein's largest western counts were called a barbell. he was then the minister of foreign affairs of the frg, now he is the president of germany, they were directly involved , they were not observers yes, they took the direct part of the development of an agreement and guaranteed later, when the rebels took advantage of this agreement and the weakness of the central government, no help from the western dragres and yanukovych did not receive and even some kind of chuckle to those forces that actually violated the agreements drawn up with the participation of european politicians.

we have the right to say that a coup d'etat took place in ukraine, that the power that arose as a result of this coup was power in its essence, illegitimate, and the claims on the part of this power to create the impression that someone interfered in its affairs, because as in the case of russia, a decided to defend the desire of the population of crimea to join russia, the desire that was expressed, a e by the crimean parliament, which was elected in ukraine by ukrainian legislation. is it possible to say that, in general, the ukrainian claims of russia regarding interference in ukrainian affairs, and in this situation, it looks extremely unconvincing, but, of course, they are not convincingly incorrect, because but interference. western countries events in

ukraine played a fundamental role in how events began to develop further. e. hmm , this is actually a tragedy of the ukrainian people, of course, because this is not the first time, as we have now found out for a very short time indeed. the history of this statehood is intervened by external forces and creates such a complex of problems that have to be uncovered over the course of many, many years. i do not urge, but on the basis of this tragic experience of ukrainian statehood, on the basis of the betrayal that took place there and to which well, at least condoned, and boris yeltsin's entourage, and they urge to draw any political conclusions on this basis and there were no political conclusions . stories, there is a story and sometimes. whatever rights you have and whatever there were arguments to try to return. well,

they call it dearer to themselves, but this past must be known and understood and give it a proper assessment, because this past is very often misinterpreted, distorted and served. if you want, almost like a proud history of ukrainian statehood, a history that did not take place and which is completely or almost completely issued , we will return to advertising in just a few minutes. now we will press to become something better, we are starting a medical help, and then the tank begins to work against the nazis and the disabling of medical personnel. this is an important task to work out first, so that no one

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of sciences and really one of the most important authorities both in china and more widely in modern east. and i want to ask you kirill in this context about what the modern east is. there was a lot of talk about this during the last session, which was held this week, in new delhi, and there were some expectations that s. well, if you want, but somehow it will go further in the transformation, if not into a union, then at least into a more politicized, more focused organization, this did not happen, and some are all about this. ma, also competent or knowledgeable people. in general, they say that there is no great future. let's hear what fyodor lukyanov, chairman

of the presidium of the council on foreign defense policy, recently wrote about this. the shanghai organization does not contain the prerequisites for becoming an anti -western front in the foreseeable future from the participating countries, the island is in conflict with the west , only russia iran is maneuvering, trying to maintain constructive us relations with the european union and washington's east asian allies, even china being the object of an increasingly tough united states containment policy states prefers to avoid direct confrontation. not to mention the india pakistan states and central asia have their own task. they see it in maintaining a balance of stability and, most importantly, minimizing the risks that confrontation is fraught with. so it is now impossible to create any alliance against the west on the basis of the sco, despite the critical rhetoric against america and europe that was also heard at the current remote meeting. two questions first. do you agree with this assessment and the second?

well, it's obvious that even if the high score i don't fully agree, it's obvious that it has become a military-political alliance with it, so what is the sco, and why is it important to russia . you know, the shanghai cooperation organization never really planned to stop as an anti-western bloc. this was never part of the mission of the organization. she uh, and doesn't look like a union and didn't try to be a union, on the contrary. today, from my point of view , the sco needs to be filled with economic content so that this organization can declare itself as some kind of alternative to the western world to the western world first of all in terms of infrastructure , for example, financial payments or the infrastructure of trade economic relations, what today is the international trading economic and financial system is certainly under pressure from the united states under pressure from the dollar. so the sco is trying to build this kind. in a topic that will

represent for the developing world, first of all, for the state of eurasia, an alternative to this very international financial system , the international trading economic system in this sense, shos. i think it has quite a lot of potential. although today it is indeed not fully implemented, but the task is to become a military-political bloc. it didn’t go away in any way, there was never a reshuffle, as for why, what is really moving quite difficult , but i think there is only one explanation for this. the fact is that in the sco, unlike, say, nato or other organizations where there is the dominant player is a certain hegemon represented by the united states of america in the shanghai cooperation organization or in brix for example, no, a pronounced leader, on the contrary, all decisions are made at first it was not supposed that there would be one, of course, and this is the same. the main thing is an organization built on other principles.

principles of equality, principles of fairness, but respect for the opinions of all parties and respect for the interests of each of the participants, of course, in such a system, decisions are made more difficult than in nato, where the voice of the united states a can monopolistically decide any issues. in the sco, of course, it is necessary to take into account the interests of major players, and today these major players. there are already quite a few, if we talk about russia, china, india, pakistan, everything. these are major powers, regional leaders. iran has now joined the organization. naturally. he has his own interests. of course, it will be very difficult to combine these interests. but i believe that the will of the governments of all these countries today. she is stronger than discord. it will allow, and the sco to really demonstrate to the world. what could be the future world order? what principles it can be based on are the underlying principles, er, i'm sure. do you know what last

prime minister modi prime minister of india was in washington this week and was received there as a guest of honor, the mass of congress applause addressing the joint session of the two congressional tents is a rare part. in general, they did everything to make a favorable impression on him. and uh, many american observers. here , looking at this technique and looking at the speech of fashion vahane, where he said that the negotiations are taking place in a rare atmosphere of trust. i want to remind you all the time. he himself was under us sanctions. so there are many observers say, well, in moscow they can hope that the alternative to american dominance will be some kind of new world order largely built. on the basis of the tabs that will make the south east the world majority, they say that

this is a dream in moscow, that especially given the joint economic military power of the united states of the european union, the east south will not want to seriously challenge washington in brussels to say you know the mistake. west, starting, probably, from the seventeenth century, this is, and an attempt to consider the east as something homogeneous, as a personally monolithic east - this is well treasures are a riddle. eh, there are various kinds of secrets post very heterogeneous and certainly. such a large country as india, like other states of its neighbors, even has its own very complex interests to attract, into which they require the most serious analysis today. the battle for india points of view is the central question of all world geopolitics, where will india go, they talk about it, and here in moscow and in beijing and in

washington and in europe which side it will take india in this global confrontation? will it really become part of what we call the world majority, or will it , uh, go, let's say, along the path of alliance aquat and uh, go along the western path of development. in this sense. it is founded by the united states , it can be an alliance that is based in the united states, including india, but this is not a military-political union , let's say. so this is a kind of coordination platform, while today, of course, the united states would like to turn it into a military-political union, while india remains neutral the only thing holding back india from my point of view is towards more integration into such associations. as with brix, this is an unresolved relationship. with china, we know that moscow and delhi have excellent relations that have proven themselves over decades. trade is developing at a faster pace, and cooperation is going on in many areas, with regard to relations between beijing and delhi. here, everything is

much more complicated. if this key, if to this lock, or rather, it will be possible to pick up the key from my point of view, the position of delhi can dramatically change and delhi will become one of the closest partners in the large eurasian partnership, which president putin has been talking about since 1919 in both the sco and the brix association. washington clearly hopes that india will, but if it does not completely break close economic ties with russia , at least it will reduce these ties and, most importantly , will cooperate more with american sanctions. this means not only how to comply with american sanctions, but also to see that the spirit of these sanctions is respected. that is, even if something formal sanctions are not prohibited, but still and ukraine is poor, unhappy.