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slowly slowly in the heart knocks. frantically mom, my homeland, premiere of the 2023 shawn sungooda awards at first we continue our conversation about space programs with mikhail kotov with the moon, more or less. clearly talk about mars terms. what problems can we talk a lot about mars, but in my opinion , there is still quite a lot of time before the first manned even flight around mars. there are a large number of tasks not only technological ones that need to be solved. well, technically, actually. well, in principle, create a ship, in

which will have enough life support system for these 9 months there and 9 months back , plus or minus humanity can. there are problems, firstly, we send people into space for more than a year and a half under the influence of solar radiation. yes, like scientists. they say that a person must endure this flight alone and everything should be more or less normal with health , on the other hand, there was a recent study that showed that vision suffers greatly in weightlessness and so far it was not clear there was still a person who would be 18 months at the same time spent in space in a state of microgravity and returned back and check, well, so that at the same time there was 43 yes 432 court. this, that is a lot, but actually 500 days. so really, we are still talking about flying around.

that is, just to fly around as soon as we think about high-rise, the question begins, firstly, how well we can keep the physical capabilities of the astronauts in nine months. they themselves on the surface of mars put on spacesuits and went to work. that is, it is also difficult the question is actually a lot of them. and that's all that concerns just such a mission to fly to fly to put proposed to put a plan. that's when the rovers are moving, i don't know, i'm afraid that this is a little populism. uh, when humanity is just imagine sending 100 people one way. yes. well , at least now, while the ship is not nearby and the rocket is not ready, there are a lot of people like that, most likely, there will be a lot of them. even when the ship is ready and they say, yes, ok, i fly there every set. this

cosmonauts receive such statements that people are ready, if they are taken to the corps of astronauts , to fly in one direction, it doesn’t matter, it will be the moon mars. so it’s not enough. indeed, as we know from the works, the mbp is equal to the institute of biomedical problems. uh, problems arise already in the process. that is, a man on the one hand. he said yes i am ready. and when you are already inside for several months, you have to work hard constantly every day to support physical activity. here even the person who said. i'm ready not the fact that it enough motivation, on the other hand, these 100 people fly in and they will live, well, there in one or two modules of normal medicine, they will not have the first time, well, in no way to the one that we are accustomed to humanity of the current modern level. how they will carry the martian dust, we do not know how long the access to modern spacesuits will be enough. they are calculated. well that's how many orlanders challenge 20

o's. yes? well, let them be needed there too, or they will constantly be brought in, or in some other way, and in addition, these people will start. unfortunately, after some time to die. well simply because life is clearly worse there than on earth, and we will not get the best online show from the people who are left to die on the planet. not quite clear. why plus everything, if someone asks back, and it will probably be asked if someone has a child on mars there right there, you know, the wife will say on the very first evening. so come on, look for the senior drove back. i'm okay but i don't want my baby. yes , for now i'm in this in a big colonization. i don't believe it at all. unfortunately, it seems to me that it is necessary to prepare gradually, it is necessary to prepare precisely for the first flight, then the flight with a landing. and only then he talks about some kind of serious colonization. how do you

feel about space myths. well, such as the earth is flat, a huge number of people believe in this after almost every lecture, when you speak, at least one person comes up to you, and he speaks so confidentially. and you answer the question no matter. what topic was the lecture on, were the americans on the moon or not, and it doesn’t matter what you answer him? he will immediately start talking to you. but i know that in fact and for a long time it will talk about the fact that they were not on the moon. but this is already somehow we treat this as, probably, as a flat earth is the norm . well, it is also clear that these myths are not like that, but life-threatening, like a myth that i don’t know, related to drugs. there, when a person goes to be treated with homeopathy, instead of going to a normal doctor. this is a dangerous myth. here he really is. maybe it's better to undermine your health, in principle, they are around us. well, this is if not contentment, well if

a person does not bring this to the state when he is taken to be treated, then, well, he can live with this all his life and, in principle, believe that aliens are around us on the other side. naturally, the work of popularizers. she is in many ways. is to try to explain the origin of the myths that in fact were people very eager to believe. they are on one side. there are those who do not believe that the iss flies in earth's orbit with us, they say that all this is being filmed, somewhere in secret studios on the other side, it’s practically for you. this same person. maybe tell some heresy that water was brought to earth from somewhere from the stars. why, how and who did it, remained a mystery, but i spoke confidently about this to a person, if we recall an interesting myth, i remember, and a very cool story 2 years ago, one of the building , the youth building, turned to the press service of roskosmos, and they asked well. interviews with

astronauts on the iss are very much not interesting. can we arrange an interview with the astronauts who work for the spectrum. that is, in the first place, they knew what the spectrum is. rg - this is already great but, i personally saw, i personally saw a letter, yes, in which they just asked for it, but can i say these guys hard that we can’t, unfortunately, arrange an interview with them for you. well, this is also a myth , this is also a misunderstanding. how it works, and what is actually happening and unfortunately, most of these myths, they appear from the fact that a person thought of something for himself, did not hear something. well, either someone convinced him of some absolutely strange things. and if a person is told a lot about space, if he reads about it regularly and sees, then most of these myths can be avoided, as you are engaged in the popularization of astronautics, in addition to what i write there, and columns and

articles for atas for a look at popular mechanics. e, i am working on a project with the guys from the summer space school. and one of the best such educational space projects in russia, in my opinion , is a nine-day summer intensive, when almost 200 people gather this year, and this is no surprise, 9 days one once. uh, it's usually more late july- august. we are going to the institute of space research, we are going there in moscow and the following is happening guys, everyone is sharing, who comes, we call all the schools, but in fact we have a lot of adults. that is, we take everyone who is over 14 years old, and who has a desire for this intensive, everyone is divided into groups into a variety of those who are engaged in space piloting, who study ballistics, those who study astrophysics. those who study space law

biology, er, are divided into separate groups. and even scientific journalism, which i just conduct, in fact. i am the head of the science journalism group. first six days. we have dense training lectures general lectures lectures specifically for each group. seminars. a large number of lecturers come to us. these are industry experts. that is, these are not just people of the popularizer. namely, those who are constantly engaged in this. that is why we have many people who come to study at the summer space school. it is too. 900 industries to whom you need to get some additional data , who wants to know more about what they have been doing for the last 3 days - this is a certain feature of our school, we have a space flight simulation, as a rule, there is a program developed in advance and during this simulation the participants use that knowledge , which they received in the previous 6 days mikhail e tell me how you

see a man in 50 years in space, what he will do, in my opinion. after 50 years. uh, there will be a lot more business coming into space. what will the cosmos learn now earn money. it will be, uh, a seal. e organs in orbit there in microgravity is much easier to do. well, for example, if a body that has a complex surface is better and better, but i don’t know, for example , the thieves’ eyes have some internal structures in orbit, we can print them, and under earth conditions, gravity interferes, so the printing of organs in orbit is development deposits of some minerals all these things humanity will have to learn how to learn how to make money in space exactly. this will help the cosmos to develop much, stronger in the future. visiting today. i had, uh, science journalist, promoter

of astronautics. mikhail kotkov. i am anton shklarov. it was a space history podcast. hello this is a letter podcast. i am larisa guzeeva, we will talk about the people's artist anatoly papanov, and my guest is the artist of the theater of satire yuri vasiliev and the daughter of anatoly papanov, elena hello. hello. thank you so much for coming elena, here you are, probably, a million times already, uh, asked questions. what. it is such a burden to be the daughter of anatoly papanov, whom you knew and not just knew, and loved by everyone and knew from young to old. and he became popular and

famous. eh, right away he didn’t have these through the thorns to the stars. he didn't go. no, absolutely not so, that up to 40 years. he wasn't famous at all, and only he became famous after he played the live dead. and that was probably the sixty-fifth or sixty-sixth year. and after that, as they say after this film. he woke up a star because even at school. uh, me and my grandparents didn't show up at my parents' school. but when he played the live dead , everyone at school started pointing fingers at me and saying, but this one is a girl, lena popanova, and her dad played live in the film. here are interesting, uh, such a fact of your biography, and you lived with your grandmother with your grandmother loved her, well , it’s clear, the actors’ parents are busy, and you didn’t really like that they came to you. e hmm to visit you. i didn't like them coming. why did you love? well you know we had such a factory, factory district next to the telman factory is savvinskaya embankment

next to the plyushchikha factory of sverdlov then. they still existed. we all have children of workers there, and i was such a yard girl. i walked from morning to evening, i studied well, i didn’t do my hands, but i studied well. and so we walk there, jump, run, and grandma lena go home. the parents have arrived. it is necessary to come to show the days of books to report some kind of marks you have there, friends are waiting for me, not stooping. all nails. do not gnaw and chironov, but eat the soup. oh well, grandma was everything fine. my grandmother is my second mother, so i ate soup, that's why they didn't take me, when i was 3 years old they gave me a hostel. uh, at the satire theater hostel theater they left and the grandmother said, leave me knee-deep, because well, what is there? rehearsals in the evening a performance with whom she will be there, and my grandmother retired because of me and i had a good childhood and on time the country lunch of mom or dad from mom's side, yes, and left it for a while, and then i

went to school, like school sometimes came up on foot and i had such a wonderful happy childhood, and then my mother her nineteenth year. she died and was almost 96 years old, and she told me all the time. well, you can understand me. why? apparently it somehow tormented her with metal. can you understand me? why did these left with the grandmother humane? yes? what are you talking about? i didn't have any resentment at all. i think that if i had been with him, it would have been worse for me, well, somehow i can’t even imagine, uh, your dad, but a harsh man who asserts himself on girls. i think you it was good and comfortable. yes, but then there would be a lot of people not at home, because this is an eternal shooting ends such happiness when parents are not at home. but this is happiness in adolescence at a young age, when they went on tour, there they left it to me. i was already 15-16 years old. they left me alone. it was

wonderful. freedom. i know that my parents, my grandmother, liked it more alemmetrically. yes, she, uh, knew him behind her. yes, she says, look, well, uh, but they were still students. he often saw her off and her grandmother saw them. she says mom says i want marry him. she says, listen but he's such a guy for nothing. well, it's pretty ugly. mom says no, but he is the most talented on the course, but it really was like that, because when they graduated, only they left him in moscow, he had two invitations to the small moscow art theater for you, but he left with his mother to the city of klaipeda where they on the basis of this course they were not in agra, they organized the russian drama theater a elena and when your parents announced to him that you want to become an actress oh. it's weird, it worked. i already wanted to be an actress. but when it's already you realize yourself, this is probably 10-11 years old, but for some reason i was shy. let's talk about it, because we had such

actors of the soviet cinema hanging on the walls there, and khityaeva and kiriyenko and skoptseva were there. i realized that i was not up to them in beauty. i was kind of embarrassed to talk about it, but then it turned out. so, i have been preparing for the institute for the last year. eh, pissed off. here they go on tour. i prepare the program on my own mosalsky course recruited. i pass come to the first round. i’m reading, i’m coming to the second round , i don’t have my last name. i left the studio school. i run crying and then i decided to return alla konstantinovna was at the institute. i waited for her, she had a consultation. they come out, i say konstantinovna why i was sure that i would do it, you know? remember me, elena papanova. here is what i read to you yesterday. she says, yes, i remember you, but you are very

poorly prepared. come next year and think if you need it, and then parents arrived from the tour, and you always have exams before the hut. and they prepared me there with a teacher. i'm talking about the material, which means an excerpt. well, as it always is , this entrance exam, and uh, they took me to gitis, and to shchepkinskoe and shchukinskaya, but in gitis , exams were faster and my parents finished gitis. and they told me they listened, but still gates - this is an institute of theatrical art. and this is a school, but still, somehow i went to it, yuri, and there are rumors that anatoly did not really like the youth of young artists. uh, well, somehow he immediately imbued you. what kind of situation is there. he was fond of those who are sick of the theater, but they didn’t come so easily, and so to speak took off, but really the first meeting was

unique. i already worked. here in the theater and this was my first season already 32-34 performances of all bridges, and then there were total extras and six, probably, i had such serious roles. and now i get to the rehearsal of bulgakov's run. i was appointed to the role of golubkov a anatolyevich ludov. rehearsals it's hot in summer, and they really told me papanov doesn't like the youth. and since we didn’t meet like that at work, i ran one extra crowd there. and suddenly golubkov and we have a scene with him in sevastopol means summer in the hall of the commander and anatolyevich. i'm in a coat with a hat in a scarf. i have a terrible fever. we rehearsed up there. yes, this is just right here. scenes and here is

one of the scenes, so where khludov says, shoot me. and the ghost uh, speck, he says, go away maybe this one will guess to shoot, to which he does not give a gun, to which i must say i cannot shoot you. you terribly sting the inmates and on this phrase. i saw eyes on togliatti . it was no longer priests. it was an absolutely insane person, and i'm fainting. i just fell, golden boy, when i woke up. in the dressing room, it turns out that he and georgy pavlovich are mine in the summer. if they could not find me from there, anatolyevich dragged me away. that's how i came to my senses. i look, here the doctor is something white and anatolyevich and he says, save him. he is a good artist, a good

artist, because he believed. yes, because i suddenly received this high mark from the scourge, which somehow drags all my life like this great show, by the way, here it is, when, after a difficult performance at 11:00 , a rehearsal was scheduled. valentina nikolaevich came not really wanting to rehearse, because somehow at 11 o'clock the body is still sleeping. tell us about your work with fur for the tenth time, because you have already heard. many times it was called to press the puck, tell me, but this story, when the rogue returned from london, in my opinion, from the tour of brooke, petersburg is his cousin, and in this genius you show this legend. really. i didn't get it, but indeed they were rehearsing woe from wit. and

valentina nikolayevich said, guys. i was now in london with my cousin for his general performances. oh, i, too, all my life dreamed of working as a smorchal. quick sophie lorea, to work with you. what did you say without tycho? i, too, all my life dreamed of working with peter brook, i work with his brother and then cousin. well, here god always answers, but i know that with all this, having received papanov very much and was proud that he was his theater and a lot from him. well, as if yes, and he appreciated it very highly. he, he understood, who is the popovs? of course not. it's just that in terms of personality, it's even very important that there are many good actors, and there are a lot of personalities. such powerful ones are really

such an avalanche. tell me, here is what was in his character, but what was not so special, for example, in other actors no less gifted , he did not allow himself. and my mother was late to be out of shape, and so on, and impatient, and this is from other actors. he is very disciplined. he is very collected. he's always amazing he rehearsed he didn't like the first performances in the eighties. from the rehearsal , more than one performance has not become the best. i talk all the time now. this i once allowed myself, then i took my wife to the hospital. and we had some kind of concert and they were waiting for me in rafik. i'm late and i see anatole michi, who is saying something to himself. i say anatolyevich, i just took my wife to the hospital, it’s not because i was just there , well, i didn’t have time to do it, and then he forgave me, and in

general, i understood, so to speak, and it’s not easy, but they say lena was extraordinary humane, and with such a heart with such compassion and in general he read. and what, the main virtue in a person is his e soul, pure yes. that's his insides, you know , he was different. he could be very kind, he could give someone all the money he has, and sometimes he will be so that he can erase. it wasn't a shock. he was not kind, and i'll be back yura, that's what he said. i just don't think he was. he was a very smart man, and at the time when he, too, there are legends. that's when he said pluchik, uh, about brook, he already knew that he could already say that. i will read this statement. anatoly dmitrievich can be intellectually developed. or maybe anyone, but if a person is unscrupulous, then for me, if he were seven spans in the forehead

, this person does not exist for me. i do not respect him, and maybe a person to be uneducated and not a candidate of sciences, but the most beautiful thing about this person is that he is able to blush. but how beautiful it is when a person blushes ashamed of him. this is the quality of conscience. i am very i appreciate in people and, of course, i appreciate humanity in people, you understand? i do not like deaf feelings of people. they can't see beyond their nose. but when a person can understand everything in these your position. this is the most valuable quality. the pearl of the arabian peninsula land lost among the sands and waves, the primeval world of creatures living millions , whimsically changing their colors, and shapes and gold barkhanus and azure of lagoons and waterfalls , the ringing and whisper of waves and the tread of a predator and the cry

of a sea animal. everything here alien fascinates. the premiere of the sultanate of arabian miracle on saturday on the first i remind you this is a display of a letter, we are talking about anatoly dmitrievich papanov, and my guests are yuri vasilyev and elena papanov, friends, my man went through the war. and he also had health problems. uh, i had toes, in my opinion, yes, and there was no one foot, no, there are two fingers. he was amputated, overcoming the sausage, and the pain, then it's important for the actor, but the form. the spine also affects everything and

no one has ever known about it, that is. the most important, that i have worked for 11 years. i only found out after leaving that because i had never seen him in a small church, and he danced everywhere. he was always moving. that is, it is in general, it means that you need such power, strength, less will, so that it does not show at all sometime. he did come with a stick when he arrived. he was told that you would, well , tarkhanov said the rector. yes, he says, somehow you will work at all, and he came home. the gymnast khromoy, uh, classes have already begun in october. he says, how did you read it to him, tarkha-tarkhanov, says, well, how are you will you? eh, lame? and he says, i give you my word that i will get rid of chromate, and he came to the course and said, i understand. it was the forty-second year. why was i taken? because on the course there were basically only girls , all who could, the boys were all at the front, and he came lame and there they had such a wonderful teacher on the stage of movement. he did so much with him. and when he was already giving up and the traffic stand. the dance

no one could even guess that he was missing two toes there. he married early. i i know, yes, well, how early they finished. mom , they studied together. yes, mothers are also front-line workers. she worked on an ambulance train, she was a nurse. she had already entered gitis before the war, and gigi had her evacuation, and my mother went. means a nurse in an ambulance train, then the ambulance train stopped a little came to gitis to find out. and there are already classes, and she came, and in the same tunic and she didn’t have any clothes, except for the tunic and her boots, and he, too, and so he approached her, he says, you were at the front. she says, yes, well, i was. and these were somehow brought together, and then they still traveled together, lived in the same area on plyushchikha, and now dad says we went, we went yes, we went, if in the forty -fifth year, they signed all the time, i want to cry, when you listen, in general, you can even shoot a movie script like that. so all his life he was faithful to the only woman in your mother

with his wildest popularity. and this is his modesty is somehow unusual. he will eat the car. and like the latest mercedes today, i don't know how it was i'm at the table. yes, and he did not drive close to the center on the volga. he did not let him down until he presented the military unit. after the living and the dead, the victory was written off, then he bought himself the volga e with this one with a deer. and now he didn’t drive up in this car, somewhere he stopped 100-200 meters from the theater and said, well, why am i going to be like this? well, he was very like that, amazing here, really amazing, so as not to anger people there, well, so that i always say very modest, cap glasses. yes jeans were heavy on friendship, or there is no such soul of the company, heavy on friendship, he

had a certain circle of those people. these were great writers, these are ours and absolutely everything, really. here is his such tenderness and such love for andrei mironov that they were right there. eh, that's one organism process. yes, he was never friends, they were just legendary. what is almost there. why did they leave each other? this is all untrue. no, they were just partners with andrei alexandrovich, in my opinion, alexander was anatolyevich mikhal mikhailovich markha anatolyevich zakharov burns with them from the fact that neurons at the funeral said that he was next, but friendships are like this. we thought that, as we mean, what friendship was not. they just were good. uh, partnerships are partnerships, yes, yes, and not because they could not live without each other. and such tenderness, well, about which legends are composed. uh,

anatoly didn't. yes, specifically. i wanted to tell you. that's when they went to concerts andrey alexandrovich yes, she said anatolyevich even then there was a total deficit. that's what andrei alexandrovich always agreed in himself to go to the base of something. there they will bring some things from the base, they will bring some good things there. it was always andrei alexandrovich, and he always said anatolyevich let's go to this restaurant for dinner, because mironov was there. it seems to me that such a modern, very fashionable one, and when he came into the theater, the train of his french cologne at that time, so it always seemed to me too. what a strange , what an interesting friendship, here, and two of these wonderful actors, but dad was great, he was friends with merezhko. here are the last years. he was friendly with viktor ivanovich, and he also had two friends. this is odnoklassniki, they are both artists. yes, he was not a party person

. once upon a time he was great with the messenger, but on the same day with his dad, when it began to interfere with the profession, he gave up alcohol. it just so happened that his mother died at the wake, he got very drunk, and his mother was always against the fact that he drank all the time scolded him for it and he gave himself a word. it was seventy-two and died. he is 87th 72nd year to 87th year. he never drank. he directed it like a director. uh, one show. yes, and there was a role for you, and he said that lenka is just your role, but suddenly you play badly, but say, no. this is when i finished gitis. i certainly even in general their individuality. i should have wanted to be working on this satire, but my parents weren't welcome along. especially mom said, no, at least you know at the time,

it didn’t cost anything for dad to go to the point of me, certainly. we would have taken to the theater of satire, but my mother said, no, she will never work with us in the theater, because she will play well, the artists will say that their parents trained them to play badly, my daughter, papanova, played badly, so i went to the yermolova theater here, and then already hmm in his last year. dad staged the last gorky and serves me, he says, there is such a role for you. i say women, of course i'm here you want, i say, i really want. he says i also want you to play that role there. hmm hunchback. yes , i really want you to play it. and through for a while he says, you know, let him say it all the same, dad on his then it was not practiced. it's often there all the way around, but then it's still impossible. it was said, you know what they will say. well, papanov brought his daughter. come on, now tanya, damn it, dorenko will play. and then i will lead you, and then it did not take place, because this summer he left in life. he only had surrender though the soviets

know so interesting. ah, in soviet times , we are in forty sports films. if you remember went abroad and i was in mozambek with a picture of a cold summer of 53, and i remember this film frame by frame, it is one of my favorites. i now he's the greatest around. and now the hall is sitting in mozambique, a film is on and they are neighing both directly and in pathos. wait, they thought it was a western. hmm. and when they brought the script, uh, lately. mom used to read scripts all the time. he had no time to read, we just need not to shoot this western. why do you need it? and your mother said that she did not understand it, and he read it himself, he says. no, i'll be filming and know what else he said. nadia i already haven't filmed for a few years. i have already begun to forget. hmm, this is a brilliant film and a brilliant role. let's see a snippet. and this is the last role he has become. you

so want to live like a human being. work me an architect himself. now everything is about to change. i was taken away in '39 . imagine that

from a bottle so that the dead is amazing, there was nothing from the famous artist in papanov.