[000:00:00;00] the talent of the artist spoke to the mats, the talent of the writer spoke, and another very important afterword, to the relationship of his own relationship with his father. the fact is that the family really did not know what happened and only in 1956. after the twentieth party congress. they received an invitation to the local state security committee, and there they were told that tricolor had been shot back in 1938. and all the hopes of the mother all the hopes of the children that their father is that the husband lives somewhere. even if started a second family. all this collapsed overnight, they were the second time, and they became orphans and this wound continued to ache, continued to bleed , and chingiz aitmatov was not without reason. how often will return to this topic is curious that he

started as a translator. he was fluent, fluent in both kyrgyz and russian, which was one of his first literary experiences. it was a translation of the story by valentin kataev son of the regiment. but when he came with this translation to the publishing house. he was told that the story had long been translated into the kyrgyz language, the need for its translation no, and then he began to engage in his independent literary work, he entered the literary institute in moscow for higher literary courses, which i am especially pleased to note, how many wonderful and very different writers came out of the walls of this mansion on tverskoy boulevard and one of the very first stories, than geyza akmatova, which is called jamila, brought him not just all-russian, not just all allied, but brought him world fame, indeed , that’s how jamila was read in france by louis aragon, a classic of french literature which by the way was the russian wife elsa

trioli. it can be assumed that it was she who pointed out to him the debut of an unknown kyrgyz writer ragoon, admired this story, - said that it was romeo and juliet e, paola and francesco and and this story is the preface of maragon, according to some version in the translation of aragon came out in france then was translated into many other european and world languages. and aitmatov can be said to have become such a famous writer in one day and it was absolutely fair to say that this is a story was read very differently both in kyrgyzstan itself and in the soviet union as a whole, because it was right. a very bold move. and this act of this girl is very ambiguous, and it was read, then now, maybe we will look at it differently, but at least for the then reader. it was

unusual and some critics of such a more conservative kind, uh, believed that this was the destruction of traditional foundations, this was the destruction of conservative values, but altmatov looked at things. eh, that's exactly how it is here, of course, these facts about him biographies, but the fact that he did not grow up in a kyrgyz village, as usual, was affected. it was precisely a teenage boy who lived in moscow who received this, well, one might say, european moscow soviet education with this experience. he came to the kyrgyz village and therefore his view of the village was precisely such a view, and the townspeople in the eyes of a capital man who was really outraged by these customs when a girl cannot control her fate, but when she does not have e freedom of choice and

aitmatov in this story, he sang this women's independence, women's pride , women's freedom. everyone, of course, remembers the wonderful picture of the daughter of kyrgyzstan. here we can say that aitmatov's heroines. here they are all the daughters of this new free kyrgyzstan, and it was soviet power that brought socialism to kyrgyzstan, and therefore aitmatov in russian soviet literature certainly began as an absolutely soviet writer sincerely, believing in the soviet idea, and even the tragic story of his father. here at these early stages could not outshine him own faiths and convictions that, in spite of everything, socialism is called upon to bring goodness to people, the color of enlightenment, and in fact in the republics of central asia, not only in kyrgyzstan but also in other republics, this is exactly what happened and

this is actually the topic here. such a civilizational breakthrough, such a sharp development of kyrgyzstan, it can be even sharper and more dramatic in another wonderful work of our hero in his story of the first teacher. and if e in jamil actions take place during the great patriotic war, then e in the first teacher aitmatov will go even further into the depths of history, and there is the time of action. these are the first soviet years after the revolutionary years. there you can even quite accurately date the events of this story. this is 1923-1924, because the main one. the hero of this story is called duchon. and this is an illiterate man who believed in the revolution and who comes to a remote kyrgyz village in order to bring

this light of the revolution in order to bring enlightenment in order to carry out this cultural revolution in the distant e-kyrgyz, ayil and all. this happens in the year when lenin dies, and it is very important that the portrait of lenin is like a portrait of an enlightener, like a portrait of a hero of his time. he hangs here in this school, which he created cheaper than the will, despite opposition. and the inhabitants of this village, who do not understand at all. why do they , who lived for centuries and did not know the letter, they did not need a gram for their traditional way of life, why do they need their children to be wise? read write what, in fact, is the point, but duishen passionary duchon believes in what is necessary liberate these children from such an age-old,

and captivity from the age-old slavery of a backward life, and education is the means of this liberation as the means of this liberation. and although the diversion itself can hardly read and write, nevertheless. it kindles in these children, and fire is another important geographical detail of atmats, in general , a very geographical writer and landscape, nature, and mountains. these are all the heroes of his work. so, in this story , the most important character is a cold river, and such a fast, turbulent stream through which children have to cross to get to this school, there is no bridge and when winter comes, when the river gets very cold, it is already cold. mountain river, well , it means that the air, this icy mountain duishen , carries these children on itself. and this is the role of such a carrier of such a translator from the old world to the new world. here it is shown in this story, very visibly, very convincingly

, very artistically, but the old world does not want to let these children go, and in fact. uh, the severity of this conflict between the old and the new. she especially clearly felt in the image of the heroine of this story of a fifteen-year-old girl, whose name is altynai, she is an orphan. she grows up in a family, and with strangers who do not love her, but who do not love. she does not live very hard in this family, and she, like no one else, understands that teaching and this new world that the teacher promises are cheaper. this is a dream, this is a way to escape. from this slavery this is her personal chance, and so she learns, but the old world, as i said, does not want to let her go. and here is such an evil, greedy insidious aunt, a duchenne at some point decides

to marry her to a rich man, and a kyrgyz who lives, and in the mountains, actually. uh, the most dramatic moment in this story , when a girl is kidnapped from uh, duche school, he does not want to give her away, but he is powerless against several strong men who came to take away altynai and. and, altynai, against her will, is given in marriage that night. i became a woman writes. she, because well, the story itself is built like a written confession and a heroine, and then it is still with the help of soviet power with the help of a mile. restores justice, achieves that altynai a, as it were, dishonored and dishonored in the eyes of the village, but not in the eyes of cheaper, but not in the eyes of the new government, but not in the eyes of the new world, but she is sent

to continue to study and uh, as a result, uh from this story at first glance, such, as it were, a happy ending, because, but cheap, but becoming a doctor of science, an academician. she reaches there some incredible heights and at the same time, and the very tone of this story. she's rather sad because what i'm saying is a story within a story, this story frames the fate of the teacher himself cheaper , who remained in this village, who remained a nobody, who is laughed at, but who participated in the war, then gives such a dull hint ends up in the camps. perhaps during the war he was a prisoner. and here is the fault. altynai in front of a douche of wine from this woman who made a career in soviet society. well, in general, she is not very happy as a woman, since dushan remains her first love. here are all these circumstances. they

convey to this narrative such a sad shade. it is very interesting that e. well, this is generally a very cinematic author and many of his works have been made into wonderful films, but, probably, one of the best films was shot just according to the story of the first teacher and the film is called the first teacher, and the director of this film was a wonderful and soviet russian a film director andrey sergeevich mikhalkov konchalovsky it was his debildny film and the film was really a success, however, it is very curious that if we wind up compare, yes , if we compare the story of the film, we will see that the emphasis is completely different. in the story, the teacher is actually a saint, this is a martyr, this is a person who sacrificed himself, to the cause he

serves . achieve his goals, he is cruel and not very pleasant. actually such a different interpretation of this plot. it, of course, speaks in favor of and uh, he knows the chingi himself dully, but the most interesting thing is not even there. this is the most interesting thing is that when this movie was filmed, then in general he did not have so many chances to be released to a wide audience, because the picture was not liked, neither by the kyrgyz authorities nor by the soviet authorities. in general, no one else saved her either. how are you? chingiz ait having read the script, having seen the film even if it strongly distorted his own ideas, chingistr ikulovich highly appreciated the work of andrey sergeevich, stood up for it and the voice of the author of the story had very great weight, moreover,

by that time chingiz aitmatov was no more no less than laureate of the lenin this award. they awarded him for his early literary work in 1963, when our hero turned 35 years old. it's not just age. dante is the age of the father of chingiz aitmatarkul, who was shot by his son at the age of 35. at the same age , he becomes a laureate of the lenin prize in that very country. we continue. this is a podcast. life is wonderful with you. i'm alexei varlamov, we'll make a reservation. today we are talking about the remarkable writer and public figure chingiz aitmaty. it seemed that in front of the aitmat there really was such a brilliant the road of a recognized soviet writer

who embodied and absorbed all the best features of the soviet era. but, if we read his prose, we will see that there is not much optimism in it. she is anxious. she is sad. she is gloomy. take his story. goodbye gulsary, and gulsary is the name of the horse and the main character of this story is for the peasants. tanai buries his beloved horse, how a friend is buried, how a brother is buried, and he recalls his life, which was also very difficult , very difficult. life for aitmatov in general is this emphasis on the severity of the difficulty in the injustice of life, he is very important and gradually in his work he goes on increasing. the following work is a very famous work written by chingiz aitmatov for sure, everyone remembers well, this is

a philosophical story, a parable of a white steamboat. the story of a family that lives on a distant cordon in the mountains, and in the tien shan, and not far from the lake, issyk-kul and the main character of this story is a boy who faces the terrible injustice of the adult world with the terrible injustice of the human world. then, according to this story, an excellent a film called the white steamer, but a really wonderful film. i have a small personal memory of the main character of this film, more precisely in the actor who played. the role it was such a really wonderful, and the boy he then uh fell out in this film, when he played this role, his milk teeth fell out. and this is such a gap-toothed smile. she will forever be remembered by a million soviet viewers. and i got to know him. i saw him, in general, in the allied

pioneer camp artek in 1977, where i he was a pioneer, and he was such a very small schoolboy, he was probably there years old, and he had already grown nine or 10, and his molars were no longer such a gap-toothed smile. but it was still. such a cheerful, cheerful child. i don’t know what happened to him, because, apparently, he did not become a professional actor. perhaps this role remained the only role in his life, but she was always remembered by millions of viewers. and, of course, we should be grateful to him and the creator of this film, not as sad as a story, but doesn't matter. raising and for otmatov it was very important to raise very acute issues of our time. here, perhaps, the most important feature of chingiz terekulovich - he was a truly fearless writer who saw all the problems very well. all the ulcers are all complex. such tight, sharp places e

of the then soviet life and although aitmatov was never anti-soviet. yes, he never sympathized, e dissidence, but in 1973, and he signed letter a directed against sugar solzhenitsyn i they think he made it u completely sincere, and yet his prose, uh, his stories, his novels became more and more sad from year to year. and, of course, this is sadness. she , especially as i am, was sharply manifested in his first novel, which is called and the day lasts longer than a century. yes, e. aitmatov called this novel after a line from a poem by boris pasternak, this novel was published in 1980. uh, in the new world magazine, and it was this novel and its other name, a snowy

substation, as it seems to me, it was some here, if now how to throw a glance at the history of soviet literature of wonderful literature, the sixties seventies eighties. it seems to me that this was some kind of peak under censored literature, because aitmatov, as it were , this proven soviet writer , the winner of not only the lenin prize, but also the state prize. he was allowed to say more. what was allowed to others. bring this novel. uh, another writer is heading for censorship, most likely this novel is for but it was difficult to cut aitmatov to death and roman broke through. and, of course, this novel is absolutely remarkable in its idea, and this is both the theme of the past and the theme of stalinist repressions, which sounded there like a half-closed, taboo topic after solzhenitsyn, uh,

it sounded absolutely open there. yes, the arrest of one of the heroes of the children separated from their father. uh, on this half-station where the action takes place and it is obvious that the image of the railway. let us remember how aitmatov saw his father for the last time at the kazan railway station. this is the railway, as a symbol of the people's grief of the people's tragedy. millions were taken to the gulag by rail, and soviet prisoners are here in this story. it sounded so hysterical. so tragically so scorching. it was then that this was the first thing i read whitematov. i incredibly believed this felt. clever trust and further this is the movement of the plot in this novel, those who read it remember, of course, yes, the main character is a peasant and digay. well, a working peasant, actually. even more likely yes, because he works at this stop just like a railway worker. and here he goes to bury his elder friend of his

mentor. ah, the old cemetery. but when they approach this cemetery, it turns out that it is a cemetery, but surrounded , that is, to the cemetery itself, and the territory yes around this cemetery is surrounded by a fence with barbed wire, there are sentries who do not let this funeral procession through. a and. a. this cemetery is generally waiting, apparently. it will be destroyed and the protest of the author is the protest of the heroes against this course of history, yes, when, due to the interests of technocrats, yes, due to the interests, and of people. and they represent scientific and technological progress, and tradition is sacrificed. it is very interesting how it changes here, as if the focus of aitmatov, if young aitmatov opposes tradition, and he welcomes, he longs for the onset of this new world, then aitmatov, already wise by experience, looks at these

things differently and it is tradition that is important for him. the advent of this new age. he is afraid, because he is traveling, what this new time brings to people. it is by no means good, not light, neither peace nor love, but it brings people a threat and from mats. here, by the way, it becomes very typologically similar, very spiritually close to such a wonderful russian writer as his brother, as valentin rasputin and in grigoryevich's story farewell to mother. but where is the construction of the dam destroying the village and also destroying the cemetery. well , it all starts with rasputin, but rasputin's story came out a few years earlier, and aitmatov, as it were , picks up this rasputin theme and the voice of such different, but somewhat similar russian writers. it was the voice of the time the soviet literature of literature, which , as it were, sounded the alarm and called on people, called on

the society to think again about where we are moving. and this theme of the movement is not only the soviet country, so it has always been a writer. very interesting. yes, on the one hand, he is a kyrgyz, he is a representative of this small, but people, but on the other hand , he is a russian writer. he is a soviet world writer who has always felt it in himself. this is, as it were, a connection with a small motherland from a large motherland and the largest motherland, which is our land. and therefore, it may not be accidental that such science intrudes into aitmatov's novels. fantastic theme and the heroes of this story, where there is a past present future, where there are ordinary people and educated people, and service people, and soldiers a and animals. yes, they are also present in this aitmatov's world in general for aitmatov. this is the unity, er, of man and

nature, and such very difficult relations between man and nature are also a very important thing, but this is not enough in this story in this novel. more precisely, yes, and the day lasts longer than a century, as we remember, and appear, and aliens. yes, there appears such a powerful fantastic storyline related to the fact that two cosmonauts are russian and an american. and as if without the sanctions of their leadership, like the soviet one, such an american come into contact with an extraterrestrial civilization, make such an excursion to the planet forest breasts and on this planet they see a completely different society, a completely different world order. and this society is fair. this society knows no wars. this society does not know evil, and, as it were , the thought that aitmatov contains is in that it is necessary not only to build socialism there , to destroy capitalism - these are all dead ends

of human development, and both must be completely changed. it is necessary to completely transform the earth to change the nature of the breed of human thinking. and here is such a utopian beginning, which is more common in people in their youth. it overtakes aitmatov already a man. wise already, probably, there is whitened with gray hairs, but nevertheless for him. this is indeed a very important thing. we continue. this is the podcast life of wonderful. i am alexey varlamov with you, and we are talking today about the remarkable writer and public figure chinghiz aitmaty, of course, roman aitmatova and the day lasts longer than a century sounded unusually courageous. yes , incredibly bold. i would say provocative in the good sense of the word, and in that distant

year of 1980, the moscow olympiad, when khrushchev promised that communism would be built, but instead, uh, the country was actually on the threshold, and very big and very tragic, but change. and then this novel came out by aitmatov , which, of course, became an event not only in literary, but also in public life, and i remember how such a wonderful editor of the new world, anatolia mikhailovna dolotova, told me that when did the novel come out? then in the early days, everyone just took all the critics of the review into their mouths, because no one knew how to react to it. still, everything was read. yes? such is the direction of the ideological orientation of this novel. she was completely outspoken. she was not covered by anything, but then an article came out in the newspaper. true, where roman was given high marks. it was declared difficult

but, nevertheless, such an achievement of a remarkable soviet writer, and aitmatov’s work continued, his writing destiny continued, and his next wonderful novel came out. eh, already, well, in fact, in other social historical conditions. it was the year 1986, when soviet literature was the best representatives of soviet literature. in essence, it was they who opened the era of glasnost and perestroika. yes, from a political point of view, mikhail sergeevich gorbachev did it, but it was the soviet writers viktor astafyev in the sad story detective. and valentin rasputin in the story of the fire and chingiz aitmatov in the novel scaffold by critics, then they called these three works trip by the first letters, and the fire a sad detective and scaffold so that's it, chingiz aitmatov in this novel, again began

to raise the most acute social issues questions of terrible the injustices of soviet life, and the questions of drug addiction are questions of violence , questions of defenselessness. and people. these were the years when literature sounded extraordinarily social. these were the years when literature, as it were, showed readers. recall the name of the future film by sergei govorukhin, you can’t live like that, but it was russian soviet writers who began to do this, and chingiz aitmatov was. e. one of them is essence. it is precisely this period, and the seventies-eighties, as it seems to me, was the pinnacle, and of his work, and to the collapse of the soviet union, the events that followed in kyrgyzstan itself and about. chingitarekulovich had a complex relationship and the time was difficult, and his roman was a tavroka sand. published in 1993 in

the magazine znamya and its public activity, he really did a lot to ensure that those ideas that sounded in his books, these ideas, but he really tried to change the world, he was, the creator, the inspirer of such a forum of world intellectuals on lake eh, issyk-kul, and he really, remarkable public activity the activity of a diplomat in the nineties, matov worked very hard, and in europe in luxembourg in belgium a followed with concern what was happening, and she gave a lot of interviews to his homeland. eh, i was very worried. uh, for what's going on, uh it is the same in the country. such important, and milestones in his biography, which still require reflection. and maybe what he tried to stop from mats, what he called on people

on both sides of the split world split back and the east split to the north south, here he is, who dreamed that humanity really lived, but as a single family, but managed to win their sores their contradictions. this really still requires reflection, but it definitely deserves, and huge thanks. he died in 2008 before he lived. just before his 80th birthday. and, of course, this was a huge loss both for world literature and for russian literature , of which he was a part of kirghiz literature, and which he greatly appreciated, with which he was connected . his fate lies in the fact that

they buried him according to muslim custom , they buried him in the cemetery next to his father, so they joined two wonderful sons of the kyrgyz people and tariko aitmatov. this was a podcast life of wonderful. we spoke about a wonderful writer, public figure, chingiz matt you were the host of the podcast of the writer alexei this is a podcast of easy money , i am its host mikhail khanov moscow state university of computational mathematics and cybernetics. hello. michael friend. let's start with who

it people are. here is some classification. we can say that today we all it people, as soon as we had smartphones and in the generation in which we now have them, we all had to be able to use information technology tools, be able to use these gadgets, understand how they work. otherwise, we simply will not fit into the modern rhythm and lifestyle. but your question, of course, is not related to this; your question is related to those people who have associated their profession with this phenomenon with these technologies. with these tools that develop methods in our time they were called engineers. engineers in including, i think i mean, scientists scientists are not only scientists

who, on the basis of fundamental mathematical results of deep penetration into these mathematical results , create those methods that then turn into technologies into tools. here, which we use another layer - these are the people who masterfully use these tools to solve some practical problems, this is the layer that is actually considered by many to be an it specialist and those who write programs. those who create gadgets automatic platforms on which the main mass manifestation of these same methods and technologies is based. and this, of course, is the main search engine, but there are also other it people who use this tool in their daily lives. well

, it's probably anyone. it is part of the moscow university. moscow universities in the first place. such a traditional fundamental classical university, therefore, of course, our main task is still to respond to the challenge and train scientists of those people who are those specialists, which are at least potentially ready to conduct scientific research. we teach this guys. so i wanted to ask a few words about the most famous graduates or some graduates in the mk because i just recently learned that vyacheslav nikolaev graduated from the mk among graduates as the president of mts. vmk, there are famous scientists who lead e, such iconic. e, academic institutes, for example, sergei mikhailovich abramov, director of the institute of program systems in pereslavl-zalessky. uh-huh very interesting

institute for a long time, which is not only conducted scientific research, but also prepared specialists in this field. well, i'm sitting in front of you, also the director of the federal investigation center. informatics management russian academy is one of the largest academic institutions. here i did not particularly single out silicon valley, but there is a rating among the work of givers, here in our area, information technology graduates of the vmk are in the top 10 of this rating. there is no one else in the world among russian universities in this ranking. no it's a podcast, easy money, i'm the host mikhail khanov and today our topic is what are

it specialists, where are they trained? and why they earn the most already, leaving the institute. the man graduated from vc finished well. where they are waiting for him. in addition to it-companies , it-companies - this is not the most important thing for which we are preparing the guys. the most important. i will return this industry in terms of the volume of required specialists. i'm sure this is specific, if not the system administrator who maintains the network, who here is clear that, uh, vmk, they are preparing and with the administrator, although that's it. maybe in what he is developing it on special platforms. the tool simulates simulates complex technical devices, for example, they simulate, well, in fact, well, by an engineer, mathematics, of course, this is very subtle, very fundamental mathematics, despite the fact that there are a lot of packages that help to do this and yet,

if a person is fundamentally unprepared he will not make a new plane. and today , all over the world , it is impossible to transfer documentation to a plant for the production of aircraft if this documentation does not include modeling results. well, aircraft structures. that's all only one of the motor vehicle industries is construction. construction today, again, modern electricity turbines. there's even one like this. well, beam technology is again a simulation full of life in order to design beautiful buildings, also without mathematics, unusual and durable and convenient maintainable, stable in certain areas and stuffed with all sorts of, so to speak , engineering systems in the right way. here, who also create it-shniks. at least they count them. yes, and they

choose the best options. here is the first and most important thing. i know it's hard, but let's try. what salaries can your graduates claim right away . guys, we fantasize, i immediately audience. let’s say we don’t get attached, but the guys are very close to the topic of money, they get a lot - that’s how much i do anyway, we’ll come no less no less right away, while there are such uh guys and places where they immediately receive several hundred thousand. come on, i immediately once again here for our audience for a reason, we are sitting here anatolyevich and discussing the topic of it and vk, if you graduate from vk, then it costs the minimum that awaits you. and if you, uh, put a little imagination into your head and start working not just, but by exploiting something, but inventing and creating, then

this is 200 and 300,000 right after the end of the training, i definitely want to make a remark. here we follow ours, we follow not only how they are. do they work successfully or unsuccessfully and then by the environment, where do they get to? uh, their career growth. and here's what we notice is very easy to do the first jump and immediately get a lot of money. these are the same 200-300.000, but in the medium term , how much is the average of 5-7 years? uh, this is the wrong trajectory the correct trajectory gradually. gradually, you don’t need to jump right after a big salary to go through all the necessary steps. uh-huh and as we see here are those who are moving progressively, he is on this one

, that is, it’s right like this after all, yes, a little wavy, but it can be directed upwards. well, of course, it would not be time to be close to x, but with some. and we are playing, comrade, you and i, uh , understand, and i hope that our audience understands that in the short time that is given to our program to discuss exactly. here is a very important question, that money can not only be invested and there you can get this very passive income, but also active income and significant with your own work. and very interesting work with creativity with science and so on. you can use it. here is the same e that is heard by all topics and we discussed it with you. what is the specific role of faculties

mathematicians of cybernetics of the moscow state university discussed from how does our government support this industry? so what? eh, in principle, money is not the main thing in a person's life. and what is most important, what is needed for happiness , we live on the sidelines and in a society that made a person happy, you need not refuse this feeling and not run away. we must finally understand that we live happily in a good place in a good society. i very much look forward to continuing the dialogue. thank you for an interesting conversation. thank you for your answers and we look forward to seeing you again