you're late, come quickly. on the air of a big game, today we will have a conversation with the official representative of the ministry of foreign affairs, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary maria zakharova there is a lot going on in the world and tomorrow the summit meeting begins at this vernissa, where we don’t know what ukraine will say about our entry, that is, we know that it will not be accepted, but some promises, apparently, will be made in ukraine and they say that promises are significant. well, biden will bring as a gift, and the new package of american military assistance is neither more nor less

800 million dollars, and the whole ukraine of the united states yes people 40 billion dollars of military aid. well, one more pleasant promise for president zelensky from washington to provide cluster bombs. and against the backdrop of all this, we suddenly receive a message that some kind of informal negotiations are underway between russia and the united states. here is what a very authoritative source in the mid lane, which is you, had to say about this. no secret talks with us officials at the russian foreign minister in april it wasn’t and it’s not secret either, this is a fake sucker manipulation. well, what miracles do you say mary explain to us what is happening, but literally.

let's rewind a couple of your times. i want to go through each component of your question. and here you are talking about what will be on the lieutenant himself. we understand that ukraine is not included there. well, what will be the intrigue and so on. well, i think that just, but there is no intrigue here. it is obvious here that, but it will be, as it always will be, but the worst traditions, but these western manipulations due to public conscience. and most importantly , with their wards played out performances, colorful is massive. planned preparations, and the ministers of the finnish government are recording a cello solo in support of ukraine, and new collections of aid of various calibers are being announced, that is, they are injected differently. we also see this,

lately, various materials or various pr-hads are being undertaken in order to show some kind of state of the kiev regime afloat, therefore intrigue. no, everything will be in the best, or as i said. in fact, in the worst tradition , a performance will be played; they will be patted on the shoulder and say, let's have a special mission. you must, we will put armaments in front of you for victory, freedom for democracy. here, in fact, what will be the nuances. the scale, probably, for some they matter for someone more for someone less. but in principle, the scenario is obviously clear . the second point you said will be allocated significant, but forces. i mean armaments will be significantly announced, and significant arms deliveries to ukraine dmitry you know history not only from textbooks. you know the history,

including from this very applied international picture, you experienced a lot. e, maybe even without being, e, a major political scientist. just uh, grow up as international relations mature and so on. here, remember nicaragua were the same. as you remember, contra militants. strictly speaking, the word that came to us into use. it did not come just like that, it is not some kind, but a phenomenon or not some resistance or not some kind of natural, but the reaction of nick rugan society to what was happening in this country. this is an american project that envisioned. formation hmm bandits bank groupings and, accordingly, the supply of money and weapons to them. tell me, please, would it be possible then, and even more so now, to say that the united states is supplying weapons to help nicaragua , nothing like that. and so on. and now the us

was supplying money and weapons to the bank forming a contrast. it seems to me that we need to change what is called in english narrative in our understanding. the political science vocabulary is a dictionary, and you need to move on from these, by and large, absolutely false phrases that the united states of america supplies weapons to ukraine, provides financial assistance to ukraine, and so on, and speak as it is. they supply weapons to terrorists. they supply financial aid to terrorists. they sponsor the terrorist regime further with a possible ramification into the nationalist terrorist regime and the fascist tourist regime. and, of course, definitely the word extremism. here will also be in the forum. they don't supply it to ukraine, they supply it to those bank formations that they first missed.

through political corridors, pretending that these are people who will build a new democratic ukraine and then led them to what was originally the meaning of all this machination directly to hostilities, therefore, not to ukraine, but to the kiev regime, a terrorist extremist nationalist and fascist. this is very important, and i generally believe that our media in the media. and those who understand this should talk about it that way. you never know how it claims to be. the white house, you understand, the white house said that it was helping afghanistan in the fight against the soviet union, but in fact it sponsored there we know who. as a matter of fact, but all those who later turned american weapons against the united states of america themselves are not far off. this is a story that will develop in exactly the same way already weapons that are supplied to the tourist kyiv regime. in eu and not only

eu black markets, it spreads all over the world. they will suffer from it. now, to the real intrigue. it's really intriguing, and it's very deep. as you rightly said just a couple of days ago. suddenly, the information space explodes with the news , which is served through the american media that supposedly the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation sergey viktorovich lavrov held secret negotiations with some american representatives former officials from the bureaucratic environment about the peace settlement about the non-commercial plan for ukraine peace. suddenly, for a second, it literally froze. in anticipation of what it all means, we also froze, because there were no such negotiations from the word, in principle, at all. in general, that is

, there is no need for it to be at least somehow for this. it seems that well, in terms of external form , in terms of internal content, it was not even close, but in the media of the united states of america, it was stated not just a high-like with a high degree of probability. a it was stated simply as e. well, as a fact, that is, not subject to any doubt , the nuances were left out of the brackets, but it was all given out precisely as factual material. we gave a refutation, because this did not happen for a day, and we see how the american representatives on the air of american hardcore channels are already starting to pump this topic and pumped it. they are very interesting on the one hand. they said that they had nothing to do with this, but on the other hand, their political science community quite entitled to conduct separate contacts. although they are in no way walking on it,

which was done, the american administration drew increased attention with its comments to this instead of ignoring the topic as they, for example, perfectly ignore the topic of northern streams. this is where their comments seem to be required, but nothing is said about this or about the explosion of ammonia wires, for example, on the territory of ukraine, nothing is said about this here, this topic, which we have already refuted by this moment, as you said. generally speaking, uh did it without any hesitation. they again bring the information field to the surface, then we need another more extended such a broader comment outlining the facts that there are no secret meetings with american representatives of any link. the head of the russian foreign ministry did not have and does not have. so actually. what was it at the beginning was a small small. e such a probability that it is possible that we are talking about

some kind of routine meeting that sergeevich lavrov is taking place with the political science community, you know, the council on foreign defense policy in the moscow region is meeting is dedicated to the editors in chief with representatives of public organizations, perhaps one of these meetings was meant, and i think that for sure for some construct for some starting point and some meeting with representatives was accepted. well, i don’t know what civil society is called, political scientist , political scientist, as experts on a wide range of issues, when everything is discussed from the middle eastern iran ukraine containment. by the way, speaking of arms supplies and so on. but in one we realized that we are talking about much deeper things. i don't know what your idea of ​​the true causes is. i would also be interested to hear how i imagine it is that the united states of america is beginning that

very rhythmic electoral cycle to this electoral cycle, which, in general, should include a certain set of factors and international relations international factor, american , external politics is one of the serious pillars , given that on the domestic a-a perimeter , achievements, to put it mildly, are not visible, and foreign policy for the united states has always been a strong trump card. that is, where it was necessary to close a gap in the domestic political agenda, they always resorted to this international card. what happens? where is the achievement? as the president of russia said, tanks are on fire, tanks are on fire, how little that state is, and even the north atlantic alliance is not ready to supply its own more, but do not increase. they are trying to purchase the former soviet by way of blackmailing pressure, just shake out at least something from some countries , you understand that they themselves are already somewhere on the verge

of technological exhaustion, which turns out was expected, or at least there is none. it's all turned into something. i don’t know , in some kind of shame for the west, which put literally everything on it, and it was like air for them, they needed a second moment. plan b was that russia would suffer some kind of moral defeat, that what they cannot achieve on the battlefield would be compensated by our internal weakness, our unwillingness, as a society as a state , to fight back, and here they also have every right to what happened on june 24 , and it was qualified, as the rebellion was liquidated in less than a day. look after that there was france, which was on fire for 10 days, and

all the forces of the french state were thrown at it and they could not do anything, it was on fire. you understand what can be presented and here as very interesting to them from their point of view, such a trial balloon, which should begin to connect these scattered information components, and information sabotage is thrown against us by history, and, allegedly, by some negotiations. people are waiting, people are hoping, people all over the world want peace, and they openly talk about it, the united states of america is openly in favor of continuing the fighting. so how can you compensate for these endless failures, and they bring some intrigue into this very political science space, which crumbles, which does not work, but

it is not yet evening. i think this topic will continue. and three years ago? i was in moscow and, uh, a reporter from the new york times called me and asked me. what was discussed at the center of national interests when minister lavrov spoke there . naturally, i can't comment. secondly, i said, we generally do not comment on all our events if they are not public, we just don't talk about them, because the whole point of these types of events is that people can speak freely and that it does not become known to the press and does not lead to this sensationalism. in this case

, surprisingly, it turns out that six people were participants in the meeting, but they did not say who these people were for six people who described this meeting of journalists and even said who was there. including president of the council on foreign relations , richard has the event's membership is confidential, dmitry, but you understand what happened, if we are talking about this meeting with political scientists, whom sergei viktorovich lavrov has a month. well, i don't know, well, well, about a dozen, probably, well, it's true, it's true, and from various countries they come to moscow , he meets. e, when you travel abroad on the margins of international forums. and what , of course, but you understand what happened, if we are talking about this separate meeting,

which the administration. and i think that speech goes, of course, about the administration of routine legitimate meetings. this is generally a passing moment. it’s not even anyone and it doesn’t apply to this, so that’s what i’m saying. why break your own same rules happened something? what is the administration. the goal is either those who are from the deep state behind the us administration surrendered their own is a unique story. usually such leaks are made by one state about another. if you need to do something, if you need to. well, i don’t know how to prick or how some kind of traitor this is some kind of effect, but in such a way, to hand over your own is some kind of super. the discovery of washington also did not mind, because what is called free nearby is another very interesting thing that i have other information. tell absolutely. of course they were shocked. they may have been shocked, american experts were shocked that they leaked

information and presented them like this. it's in a completely different light. no, the fact that the administration to plums, but the fact that they talked to journalists gave exactly these details in this, there is no doubt and one more interesting point. why did you ask, why do they did the soul of darkness? i think that, of course, it was not their decision . absolutely for me it is unequivocal that it was only the decision of the white house, but already as when this decision was made, i don’t know who decided what is called to fish in troubled waters. it’s obvious to me that this story is in order to start some kind of virtual fuss not tied to any reality, because i don’t even need to call a game fuss around, supposedly desires of intentions, the possibility of russia to start some kind of second third track, and so

further, this is not, this. no. there is a clear understanding that washington is supplying weapons not to ukraine, but to the terrorist regime, citizens of our country are being killed from these weapons, by the way, not only ours, for some reason they are silent about this. people are dying not only in our country, and, of course, against this background , to open this fuss in order to show, allegedly, how they want to interpret moscow's intentions to play something like that. it speaks about them, but by and large. in my opinion absolute moral surrender. here in the background it's on against this background, against this background, fire and the kiev regime, which no longer knows when they are shouting to their creators that if they once again do not pour in a dose of weapons and finance, then nothing will happen. this is of course a big

loss on their part, i agree, two comments, actually expose what you say first. if they thought. that the foreign ministers took part in this kind of informal negotiations, they would never say that it is necessary to hide the names of the russian participants so that they are not let me down, because if the minister of foreign affairs, this is generally this is generally an anecdote. secondly, uh, i certainly know that in general, who they all are, supposedly a long memory, but not that long it happened in april. why it is being thrown out right now that's because you need to at least divert attention from those failures, which are one more thing. you look at different names. i don't know we call ah most of the world. and i think that

in american political science thought. it's called the global south, and someone calls it, and not with so to speak, the movement did not occur in different ways. you understand what we are talking about about countries that are not part of this north atlantic mentality , but countries that, by and large, have not succumbed to the pressure of the united states of america , because these countries are all asking the same question and this question ceases to be territorial. by the way, what about the world and this question they ask. including now , first of all, arms suppliers, because this is the first impudence, pr, informational propaganda, which, by and large, well, i must say, honestly, the world was stunned by what the united states of america did in the first months, but 22 years. this of course, this was beyond. these are

the cancellations of russia, these endless accusations. well, and then continued with these pseudo-tribunals and so on, and then people started coming out and hooking people started reading people started watching people started asking practical questions. washington must answer these questions. and what about the peace agenda, which they endlessly write in golden letters on everything your performances? and below always said that the world. they always spoke for the fact that they are for freedom and democracy. and what about this in addition to weapons, and now also cluster munitions, which plunged the world into general shock, they did not come up with it by chance and you know some kind of fiction to call trump somewhere if you look at the latest public opinion poll. uh, it's amazing but the fact after all the accusations you made against trump only scores

points obviously and uh, he is uh stronger, it turns out to be all uh other possible candidates from the republican party at the same time trump clearly says that, uh, what biden is doing could lead to a world war, that american national interests are not involved in any way. e in this conflict around ukraine and what, uh, bears a heavy responsibility to the american people, plays with fire, and here, it turns out, he turns out, uh, that in fact, there is nothing to worry about. and what about some third tracks, you know, duplicating and you see, the minister of foreign affairs is nicely meeting with representatives of the establishment in new york, and representatives of russia who allegedly participated in these negotiations.

they are not just representatives of russia, they are people who enjoy the trust of the kremlin and almost personally putin. and if so, why is he fooling his head right? everything is fine, beautiful marxism , with the exception of another signal to all those who ask, as i said from the world majority of the question. and this is pseudo for them. there was a signal. this is such a pseudo-bait regarding the fact that, instead of listening to russia, watching russia talks to washington on the second tracks, you never talk about it. one thing, but behind the scenes we do something completely different, of course, so uh, in my opinion. this intrigue requires increased attention. she's not finished. she will go on and she will go on rising. now about the republicans trump all their debates. but you understand, here you say he's gaining

in spite of the pressure, despite all of these. well, in my opinion, absolutely wild, wildest absurd, and pseudo-judicial stories that surround all this. but it's amazing. i just can't understand why the white house doesn't understand this. but he is gaining so much from his strength. how much of their weaknesses of helplessness, a set of their mistakes leads to him, in my opinion, in some kind of rocket takeoff. but it is so visible from the outside. i don't think they'll let you, the republican electoral i don't allow it. doesn't launch. imagine for a moment that you are like many americans and american uh members of the republican party. you have your doubts about trump, he is unpredictable. he is sometimes moody. he sometimes sounds like a complete egoist, there are doubts and suddenly you see how

the full weight of the american punitive machine falls upon him, as the trial is used to crack down on a political rival. well of course such republican voters and many independence publications. they will say listen, we are facing something very dangerous and we have a natural sympathy for a person who, firstly, is treated this way and , secondly, who is not afraid of this , it is very important because. and who is behind this car behind this car are those who have always stood against it. of this machine, then there is, uh, a liberal community that, in principle, packaged the whole idea of ​​liberalism in the program of the democratic party, where the pro-democratic party, by and large, privatized all of these very liberal values ​​that denied any pressure on the individual on the individual in

politics, in economics, in culture, and so on. that is, this moment of absurdity, it begins, and in my opinion, even reaches the people who are not involved in politics, because this is absurd, because everything is against which was created, in principle, and america as a state, and then it was, in my opinion, privatized in a very strange way by the democrats. it comes to a logical dead end. look, we have a whole scary little time. i simply will not fulfill my duties adequately if they comment on the decision of the white house to provide cluster munitions to ukraine, this is another manifestation of the agony of the kiev regime, and there is no absolute weakness of the impossibility to do anything at all, the white house tools and proof. i have proof

which is now all over the planet. as you remember, uh, a year-old briefing by president biden's press secretary, who told the whole world that the use of cluster munitions is a war crime from washington's point of view, this is an ideology that was not invented during the white house briefing, this is an ideology that really was inherent in this american regime, if they, uh, went to the point that they are ready to deny themselves, then things are bad. excuse me, dmitry. have you noticed the international reaction to this, in general, is very contradictory, mostly states contradictory. and you already know this very strongly. the signal is a very big signal . nato is simply split, because, of course , it includes england first of all for a number of reasons, because it contradicts what they have been saying and doing for many years.

and as for the rest of the world, he just looks at it with some kind of shock, because they have been taught the opposite all their lives or taught by the very lecturers who are now ready to press this button to speak. and what you said many times. uh, what uh rules, what the administration proclaims is war, they are openly intended for others and yes from their point of view, if russia did something like china to anyone, you are a war crime. and if this is done, the united states then, they are fighting aggression helping democracy. i know this won't surprise you. no, i want to tell you that you, uh, when you commented, but the current trump agenda, well, in the current election cycle. you said that he claims that the biden regime can bring the world to a new global war world war in different ways. you know, i want to tell you

without developing his idea, but i noticed that the word containment has appeared in the rhetoric of the united states of america regarding china. it would seem, well, what a trifle you think of what words they didn’t use in relation to different countries, they will come up with them on the go, then cancel them. then, well, as they came to unesco and left , they went in and scolded unesco, they did not pay, they returned, and so it was with the words, but this is a very important point. after all, it started with russia. everything is also from the word containment. what does containment mean, what does it mean, does it mean not to allow. well, in this case already china's market to world markets. this is not access to various financial resources and so on. this is not an opportunity to implement china's foreign policy in the international arena. on a full scale, what does it say in history when

all of the above aspects add up in one no world of speech? no, but this will be their second country already, that is, with us it also began with the word containment, then they moved to phase. what are they called strategic defeat. now china is in the stage of american containment in the next stage, we know, and these are already two permanent members of the un security council, so these are really nuclear powers, really dangerous rhetoric - this is a really dangerous regime. maria thank you very much. it was very interesting and, from my point of view, very important. we hope to see you again soon. thank you thank you again. the secretary of state of the united states

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interesting main later on the air the big game we will discuss now the upcoming summit in vilnius the nato summit what you can get away from him and if some rare good news and my first question to you

is alexander dugin e, an outstanding philosopher, but also a major geopolitical thinker. here tell me when you hear that biden. to say now firmly that ukraine is not ready for nato membership and not only will it not receive this membership in vilnius, but in general, it will need, among other things. e not only negotiate some kind of peace with russia but boin said that democratic reforms would even be required. do you have the feeling that this is some kind of shift that should appreciate in moscow or what is called conversation conversations, but it seems to me that the most correct. in my opinion, the relationship of russia to mm themselves, then building forecasts regarding the development of the conflict in ukraine would be hmm, for example, to assume that ukraine will be accepted into nato, either

now, tomorrow, or after some time, because in fact fact. it ’s all the same a country, it’s captured by nato , it’s occupied by nato it lives at the expense of nato , it’s another matter what to do and thus russia’s hope for the nearest world in resumption of relations with the west on some common sense on the other side. it seems to me that it is simply not particularly far-sighted that it is better to have the worst, the most radical scenario, be ready for it. and now, if we truly realize, finally, that we ourselves are not saying that as if we want something, we ourselves say from morning to evening, our leadership of our society, our power. he says that nato is our enemy we are at war with them, so we have a feeling that we are all the time waiting for this enemy to come up with something, that he will go to us to meet, that he will stop putting pressure on us, that he, with e, will stop helping ukraine and

themselves, they will entertain themselves with false reliable ones. of course, i am sure that ukraine needs tomorrow, but it would be better for us to think that, what if. then she is my opinion, we will have a very interesting and sensible attitude towards the west, as a long-term fundamental terrible enemy. and if we are ready for this, then in my opinion our political planning. they are much closer to reality, because, as it were, and not e, this conflict was softened. i think, that he is going for some softening, but this softening is even a word about this softening. it speaks so terribly in our elites , who, at the word of mitigation, the west recalls the former pre-war times, thinks about how now they will be returned yachts or bills and grants will again give guarantors.

travel will start again. and here is the impossible illusion, the faster. we will stay with him, so much the better, therefore, it seems to me, we need to focus on a serious long-term confrontation with nato in the end. will be if uh ukraine will be accepted into nato and there will be more deliveries as much , someone will be more actively involved. no, that is, in fact, the differences are small, although they won’t accept it, but they won’t accept it for only one reason, that they don’t want to fight directly with us, but want to continue to leave everything as it is and fight through proxy, but in essence. this desire for softening on their part betrays self-doubt in us, so i think, let's put it this way, of course, it will not be accepted, okay? but, well, they will accept, well , they will accept, tomorrow they will accept ukraine into nato of course, there will be rejoicing in kiev, they will start hugging. and here we are just on them, maybe some other object

will be applied to the next one. uh, pinpoint strikes against military targets against civilians, that is, we should not be worried about this at all. in my opinion, they will not accept, but even if they accept, it is necessary anyway. focus only on yourself and on victory in this deadly. yes, i am listening to what dmitry peskov said about this. we know that i will have a very lively discussion among the member countries of the alliance. summit, we know that there are different points of view on this matter. we know that the kiev regime is trying to put pressure on everyone in a variety of ways so that as many countries as possible. in anticipation of this, you yourself demonstrated your solidarity with your issue and you know absolutely clearly and consistently the police of the russian federation that ukraine's membership in nato will have very, very negative consequences for the entire

security architecture, and so the dilapidated security architecture in europe will absolutely a threat to our country, which will require a fairly clear and firm response from us. it is clear enough and a firm reaction that you think the west should know what kind of reaction it could be, it seems to me. now we are proving in practice that there is a firm and tough reaction that we can afford. we allow it. this, in my opinion, is already a conversation about the fact that it is useless to threaten, we must act. we must win. we must forget that we can somehow come to some kind of agreement, without serious success in front. and therefore, of course, we are talking about the fact that everyone is trying to say that we will deliver a nuclear strike, but a nuclear strike strikes all of humanity at once, a nuclear strike does not apply to the enemy, a nuclear strike of a muscle in our being of the planet of humanity,

therefore, well in the latter case it is an argument. and here, where are all the preliminary all other gradations between people with a nuclear strike, which we have in mind, and the current state of affairs. in contact what resources should be mobilized within the country and in diplomacy and in society's own economy in its own industry to win without this last argument, that's my opinion. uh, what's wrong with such harsh implication and harsh threats? let's win the usual way. we have done everything for this. and in my opinion, not all. and if we have done everything and win by the usual means, it is to win to liberate ukraine, our people from occupation. that's all we say, i'm constantly at war with nato, in fact. now, if we do not have other resources, then this is what it seems to me, very sad, but i'm sure they are there and it's time for the last call already. we are a little

late of this kind. in my opinion , the bell sounded like declarations for the last time. let's come to the mobilization of our society. everything, that is, the conflict with nato , is what is now and now. by any nuclear means to respond to the existential challenge with which we are dealing, this position, which alexander dugin has just voiced. it is somewhat different from the russian official position, but, of course, the official position can also evolve depending on what is happening in the world. and who is going on in this conflict. i just wanted to talk to you, oh, given your incomparable qualifications in one very important genre. how tv series are produced, because very often in moscow they talk about ukrainian entry into nato. the movie

ended, entered or did not enter? but the problem is that this is not a one-time product. and this is a series, of course, and so i wanted to ask, and a long one at that. so i heard, and what is supposed to be done things, if we assume, and ukraine will not be able to join nato , the first is that it will need to be given not less, but more weapons on this occasion, because since ukraine is not protected by the fifth article of the nato charter, kazakhstan is telling me, one for all, all for one . you know, ukraine is supposed to be more able to defend itself. the so-called israeli solution, and

this requires many, many weapons of the israeli solution. i want to remind you that it assumed that the united states would not give israel guarantees that the united states will enter because of israel. well, although in fact such guarantees were not officially given, another guarantee is that they will give him so many modern weapons yourself that israel will be much stronger militarily than all its neighbors and in the first place. so that israel e does not suffer heavy losses. this meant that israel would be given the most modern views. missile aircraft and, accordingly, air defense systems. and so i want to ask you if all this happened to ukraine if to give ukraine a feel

security, she was given so many weapons that she would have technical, superiority , permanent technical superiority. and over russia, how do you think russia reacted to this and do you think that this would lead to european detente or just the opposite? but in general, i should rather agree with the position of alexander gelievich, with which, as you say, with our official position. i've been there for how many 2 months already. we've been hearing about this nato summit, and how would we be like that, strictly speaking, if ukraine is not accepted, it's like our victory. it looks like we won. and if ukraine is accepted, it’s like the ukrainian victory, where, in my opinion, it’s still quite a naive position, because by and large, what difference does it make to us if ukraine is accepted for this or not

, this is ukraine and that’s how it turns out everything that can receive, that from nato and so to speak and full support and is actually a satellite, in general is a colony. and even i would say, it is much more in the nato system than any other nato country, so i don’t see any in this, as they say no win or loss. but this, uh, again we see to a certain extent. so alexander gelich and i said that we , uh, we kind of underestimate the west all the time, we underestimate the west all the time, and we, uh, somehow we are always late with our decisions because of this. i'm probably ahead of us all the time. and this is connected, in my opinion, including the fact that we somehow do not try to evaluate. here is how the internal well-being of the west and, above all, the united states in relation to this conflict. and i think we should to understand that i have a feeling that they somehow believe that they are winning, they somehow believe

that they are winning and the whole question is, when they talk about some kind of indulgence that we accept as some kind of, almost, well finally, they are now there to come to their senses. well, in my opinion. this can only be associated with one after the raid, as they say. they suddenly realized that they didn't have to. obviously lead to complete chaos for now for now it's better to wait with this better. as they say , continue to drag her into this meat grinder draw all the forces out of it to keep ukraine in such a state that it could inflict damage, but still not bring the situation to a head. until, when russia really falls apart, because this threatens them themselves in connection with the really huge number of our nuclear weapons there. that is, this goal can wait, but it does not change. it's no less. this goal remains. we have

sensations all the time. here again, i agree with this that they can stop. no, they decided for themselves. in my opinion. this is final. this they have a unique chance, as i understand it, they consider it that's why they are so consolidated in order to end , as they say with the russian question once and for all, they want to miss, and everything else is a matter of tactics, so it really does not no value. for them, of course, they will not give ukraine what they gave israel to them and they don’t need israel in general, a very special attitude by the united states, associated with the still powerful israeli diaspora in the united states. well, it’s you you know perfectly well that ukraine does not represent this completely different, but it is enough for ukraine to support it, and because they don’t care about ukraine, they don’t care at all about ukraine only as a means of pulling.

as they say, the weakening of russia in this state, they will continue, but we must understand for ourselves that this is yes, we need to win, we need to win, that we have no other alternative but to win, and in this sense i also agree with the fact that after all the sensations that we all the time hope that there will be some kind of indulgence somehow they are there they will depart, they will offer some of these and somehow everything will return to these there is none of this. er , it won't. and therefore, in this sense, it is necessary , as it were, to get ahead of this, it seems to me, this is the most. the main question. i sometimes ask myself a question. well, here i am while quite a few russians took and left e west. and i sort of got on a plane and flew here in exactly the other direction. and in general, i did not go so badly at all and at home i had e not

so far from washington with the mainland. and in general, i liked it there. it's all very i'm here question. why did i do it? i definitely didn’t do it, because i agree with everything that is being done in russia, i don’t know a single person at all, including the president, who would. e, i completely agree, and kissinger once figuratively said, e, an intellectual should not support any administration other than his own, and then only when he inherits his advice. well i can't say that by my advice. and oh, very much should, nevertheless. i have no doubt that i made for myself, the only choice possible, and he builds exactly on what you say and says alexander on the most important thing. what is leading against russia with christ's campaign, that

this is not a dispute about a special operation. this is not even a dispute over the borders of ukraine, this is not even an argument about whether the current regime will remain in power. i think that's what it's about. what they concluded in the first place. that e russia is the main obstacle to the preservation and strengthening of the world order they love, and this includes not only international things, but also how to live, because crusaders. they seem to be not only about who rules whom. and about how people live. they want to impose their religion on russia, or rather , anti-religion, and secondly, they did not expect that with the huge western help from russia at the beginning

of the special operation, they would be able to stop the russian offensive. i did not suddenly understand that russia, on the one hand, is a terrible threat to everything that is important to them, but on the other hand , they thought. or maybe we exaggerated its strength, maybe if we take this ukrainian club and put not a club, but something much more crushing, maybe then our age-old dream will come true to end this country , which seems like us, but in fact is not at all like us and which hangs over europe and is capable of dominating eurasia together with china it seems to me that the conflict around this is difficult to expect a quick resolution. i don’t know that aleksandrovich i think that there is absolutely no right, this is that fundamental

clash, where it’s not even only about russia that, if it weren’t for russia, then no one in the world has any serious alternative to this western european post already civilization. this was anti-civilization in a sense , even anti-european anti-western, because all the values ​​on which western culture was built until very recently have already been refuted, already overturned, already subjected to bureaucracy. cancel. so, no one of this post-civilization, except russia , can effectively resist, but it turned out that we are not so strong either, maybe, according to our reports, according to our paintings, we looked better in a certain sense, russia is surprisingly strong oppose the military relations of thirty- one nato countries and 50 countries that provide assistance to ukraine. this is an amazing success. quite right, and also economic to withstand. and how impressions

that russia is very strong. well, maybe more expensive, yes, and russia's vulnerability, in fact, while they have not yet found it. here's what i think is the most interesting. now we have to. you also talked with karen shakhnazarov about a very important thing, that we need to live now, based on our own mind, that is, we lived with the mind, how to say strangers, we adapted some aspects of the west to its interests to its e to its own to its context to its sovereignty, and now we need to build a position in life, based on ourselves. and we haven’t learned how to do it yet, because western influence over the past centuries, not only decades of the centuries, has been decisive in our life and the century. indeed, the truth is absolutely our vulnerability, at least 300 years with the time of peter, in fact

, earlier, but since the time of peter, it’s kind of special, if you agree with alexander what to do, that's why. regarding, well, firstly, it seems to me, you see, there are some illusions that continue to be with us. we need to raise in regards, west one thing. i , as a person who has lived a long life, came to the conclusion that a person, in essence, seems to be changing. he often changes his views. he often changes this one, it's possible, his political views are maturing, well, on the other hand, his essence is unchanged. this is the essence of his being, everything, too, as it was laid down. e in a two-week-old baby any person here who understands it yes, oh what i'm saying, well, the same with civilizations. this is the essence of the western civilization of the essence, it never changes and must be understood. it seems to me that this most important essence for

them there is no morality in relation to peoples who are not included in the circle. there is no morality at all, this is a very central point. i have. at least, that is, it is generally everything morally everything is morally in relation to the peoples morality - this is for their own morality - this is only for their own, for that circle that is considered to be theirs and it goes with them here since the time here, in principle, western civilization is the same. it started from rome. yes , it was like this at the time. here it does not change. here we are for ourselves, because we still appeal to some kind of moral hole. some were mentioned once on this program. if you look at the description of the details of how the romans perceived their environment, nothing has changed in this, that's all . we believe what has changed, here they are christians. here they are, as it were, no, in this respect, you understand, it seems to be, well, as it were,

a verbal thing, but it is very important to understand how to work with your opponent. we need to understand this, so we complain all the time that we were deceived. for them, this is not a scam. this is the norm, but only we must understand that it will always be the same as with it ourselves, i repeat. biden said something there. no, well, that's completely different. this does not change anything at all, and we must understand that the admission of ukraine to nato does not change anything for me, but the admission of ukraine to nato will only exchange that we must understand that you are right, that the west has now costs. the real goal and they have some kind of illusion in my opinion, but nevertheless very dangerous people that they can win. we're talking to the internet failed. and i think to them, especially this, maybe he failed at that.