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writer. today my colleague is visiting me, also directors, writer ekaterina dvigubskaya and oleg demidov, critic, poet, literary critic and expert on anatoly marinka why is the novel called cynics? why is vladimir olga cynics, and what else is called? why is he cynical, explain yes, the very way of life itself, and the approach is so anti-family anti-religious. yes, i understand that for that time uh in view of free relations absolutely yes, i understand that for that time, and after uh kollantai uh, a glass of water. yes, roughly speaking, there should be complete sexual emancipation. if a person has, and the need for sexual intercourse, he should not be denied this, but have sex. just as easy. how to drink a glass of water? what it is? yes, people lived in it. it seems that cynicism is, er,

an assessment. that's exactly the way of life the family system of correctly free relationships is a multi-level novel, but they are cynics and also because they enjoy life in such a difficult time, but vladimir in his own way. and as a refined aesthete, as an educated person, history, and antique, in my opinion, yes, the entire course of history, and he does not perceive. and what are the bolsheviks doing in terms of politics. yes, he deviates is not accepted, her other sergey occupies a high place. here the hierarchy attaches olga actually. yes, my mistress. katya please tell me er, it seems to you that such a family system is cynical. listen to me, i generally like the word price tags, it is sonorous, you know, it is roman much more terrible than this word

, to which roman is actually named, that the price tags are, well, like a glass of champagne that you drink, there, i don’t know dancing in the evening hmm where i don’t know somewhere on the table conditionally, but the novel is terrible and deep about broken people. e cynics. it seems to me that in this word, as roman is called, there is also a kind of pravokatsiya, because, well, the price tags. well, that's exactly it a cheerful word, but the novel is not at all cheerful if you take the scenery as well. and in general, what happens to the heroes, but he is written cheerfully, that is, there may be cynicism in this, that they relate to the situation in which they all got so much fun, this is such a dead man’s move, and they laugh sincerely, they revel life, but this is the worst thing, when people you understand that they are dancing. but, well, behind this subtlety is a person constantly dancing on the titanic,

relatively speaking, this is very scary. you are interested in such a heroine, but in your book there is no lived. the heroine’s childhood, perhaps, is somewhat similar to olga, my heroine is just as provocative, but it’s clear that, well, writing about very good and right people is boring, but you always want to find it in a person. well, a kind of wormhole to understand why it is more interesting to watch such a person. well, in principle, even we in life we are curious about interesting people, and interesting people are rarely very against the current very correct i will add about how this novel is written. yes, and what are we zhenism? yes? yes i i see you, and you pronounce it, but you pronounce it in your own way, right? like women yes yes and why are we interested in roman because a terrible time is absolutely terrible? yes, but there are

some sparkles of life, these sparkles are carved for us by vladimire olga what is imagism according to maringoff? this is a combination of pure and impure, yes, that is, some kind of natural , some kind of blood, this is cannibalism. that is, i feel that there are a lot of naturally unpleasant things of this kind, a description of porcelain, which is described in such a way that it seems to you that you are one by one a cup of something to you to yours there go all the time. here is this dirt dirt dirt and these old surviving objects. eh, wonderful silk there. and it's all so crystal, beautiful clothes, in my opinion ford has beautiful clothes on ugly people that cause laughter, some kind of lace there are beautiful clothes on beautiful people that cause surprise. it's all wildly curious, and the image must be built. here, just on this

opposition of the two beginnings, yes, if we describe poverty, hunger, uh, cannibalism, yes, throughout the entire text. well what is it there will be chernukha that is, it gives depth to the novel. this is naturalism, the same scribbled in detail and opposition to beautiful things and manifestations of refinement. yes, you know, about whom catherine spoke, he reminded anyone. all of a sudden, now i have such a wonderful writer celine that reminded me of the marings of the universe, and they are not completely different, but this is an incredible figurativeness of the language, when you, like a flurry, flies at you, that you don’t understand what it is? oleg, tell me, please, what is the place of marings. uh, occupied. let's just say in a general literary context due to the fact that the novel was banned. yes, and left, there only in the late eighties. it seems to me, marings for many. he went unnoticed, he is not as popular as yesenin and we don’t know much about him

, therefore it’s just interesting to understand what place he occupied in the literary system, given that he lived all his life in russia about all his life he lived in russia, he is in the middle twenties managed to ride around europe was in berlin was in paris he went there looked, is it worth it get out of russia if you get out, then where, and what experience does his comrade- friends have who have already emigrated, such as the same alexander borisovich kuzkov. about the rest yes, and he realized that a without russia could not. yes , and in europe there is nothing to do, that he will go there? how will you have to work, because for prose for poetry there it’s as serious as they won’t pay in soviet russia, that is , the option of immigration is very much restricting it, of course, about its place in literature. then malenkov is trying to look for himself. once pink he forbid it

understands what to write. uh, some kind of social, prosaic realistic text. it's not about him, that's great. it seems to me that he tried, yes, well, maybe quietly, uh, in the fifties he switched to mimoras, and my age is my youth, my friends and girlfriends are notes of a forty-year-old man. and hmm, these are your descendants, yes, and this is the golden fund, and our memorial studies, yes, and actually in the thirties, he moved to leningrad yes, and there he got to know all the wonderful writers like zoshchenko schwarz mikhail kazakov a. boris mikhailovich ikhenbaum literary critic danianov and so on. this is such a line. urban bohemia soviet bohemia all the thirties, he writes plays, yes, and the plays here are just the same, but rather social-realistic, yes, but what was

the fate of these plays, they were successful, some were successful, but most were filmed after the two hundredth performance before the dress rehearsal, the performance is not solid. not enough by soviet standards. dissatisfied. the way they do it all, although from my point of view of the marings, lucky because he doesn't was repressed. he earned literary income, which is actually quite a lot, when he moved from kirochnaya to borodino, and hmm, this is in st. petersburg and the next tenants who moved in, uh, in the apartment , yes, the entrance has some insane amount of locks, 10 pieces of the chain. some kind of paranoia in the thirties is the stalinist terror, yes, and ringov seriously

feared for his life, and he alone, in my opinion, mentioned mandelstam's poems in his plays. yes, somehow them there, uh, so to speak, he wrote absolutely socialist realist plays, but with such a double triple bottom, a could give his texts to the heroes so that they read. eh, walking around the crimea poems by mandelstam yes , at that time already absolutely forbidden exiled to vladivostok, who died there yes, and the intelligentsia, who understood who was reading his elements to modellers, and she was sitting in the hall. and she was obviously surprised at how cunningly bringov did all this. ekaterina a. i want to return to the conversation about the heroine, olga . could she have gone according to some other scenario. so, yeah, what could happen to such a heroine, or, uh, this is exactly how it could

have ended, listen, but this is such an image of a destroyer, and she destroys what we have already said, like other people's lives. well, it is logical that she should destroy herself, that is , it is very difficult to imagine that this woman will suddenly start making borscht or go , uh, to serve some kind of soviet service. uh, she serves in the soviet government. yes, i have a secret. she has her own secretary. she serves herself. quite to ourselves, as we understand from books for some, well, high-ranking position does not know how. at the same time, i don’t know how to do it and i think that in general, we didn’t do anything and didn’t even pretend that she was doing something and not trying not to try, well, it’s clear that she had to end up the way she finished, and it seems to me that her death with these sweets that give me rest is so paradoxical. yes, because she is funny. she somehow tastes it on one side, like she tastes candy. and at

the same time she dies seriously and for sure, she is still in incredible agony because she is undergoing an operation and it says that she is not being given anesthesia. that is, you imagine this operation on the spine, how painful it is, and she keeps her own. actually. here is the pose to the end. she plays with death. by the way, there is such a snag, or something, there the hero comes running. yes, he hurries to her to save her, and he comes running. and it is written there that she missed, and we here, the readers, breathe out that if she missed, she will not die. yes, it still dies. well, even when she calls you think this is a joke, right? it's a joke, but it turns out it's not. why is this heroine pretty here she takes money, for example , she will collect 15,000 dollars per night. yes from this merchant philip, she took it, you think she threw them, uh, into the fire, that is. it fascinates me,

it seems, any any person of such character. this is not a woman, but just some kind of tornado, but she is not selfish. this is exactly the style, this is a gesture, and they come to the charity lottery and buy it. uh, in fact, dokuchaev was a village of music, then he lost his desire for vases when approached them. there is at this fair, yes with these vases, and an absolutely amazing episode when this woman is full of hips this woman is a telephone, what does she do with a telephone number? yes, and dokuchaev does not understand at all, does not understand what olga is doing. yes, remember. yes, yes, such and such no. dokuchaev, please hear me. this lady has the same phone number. she mocks him and develops and also imagine what faith in her

feminine strength. it's amazing, i think it's real. well, she's even a dominatrix, that is, she humiliates men so easily. naturally, men are completely subjugated and obey this. in general, the rules that olga dictates to her do not even care that vladimir got himself a pear mistress. this one, on the contrary, is strongly encouraged by the beginning of the caviar. as it says two two hearts. what legs? yes, but it seems to me that he is going to this marfush. uh, as ekaterina correctly noted, because olga told him, go to this morfush, as you can not appreciate it. here are her most beautiful full legs, and he, uh, actually does it. just like a puppet, no. yes, and get married. she is wonderfully marrying him this year. they will heat me up. it's good that you offered me to marry something so that, well, what, they will sleep together,

then she says, well, no, you're cold, but nothing cold, like hunger also play a very important role in cynics. yes, but yes, and in general in the life of the brings. they had such an episode with yesenin. they planned to write big dramatic poems especially for the whole gadfly. and merhold swords. yes, yesenin wrote pugachev and the barings wrote a plot of fights. yes, but as they wrote, all this, and they had a room , there was a bathroom, yes, and in the room. so they didn’t try to heat anything, it didn’t work out , it was very cold, then they moved the desk to the bathroom, and locked themselves there, when it all had to be transferred to printed texts. and yes, they asked the typist to come and retype it all, then they realized. well, there is a lady, yes, she is also in the body, it's cold, don’t think anything bad, yes, but it’s warm,

she will go to bed for 15-20 minutes and warm this bed with her body so that, uh, they don’t go to bed in cold underwear. but this girl was already warmed up and walked and printed, lay, warmed their bed and left, and so for several days, and then she disappeared and yesenin was looking for bringov for a long time in moscow. well, what is it? yes, they communicated normally, they worked normally, they paid money regularly, and after a couple of months they find her and ask. and why are they saying? well i thought you poets, and you are monks, and they did not offend attention. you asked for rights, and the life of proton to what extent he coincides with his heroes. whether this is a cynical approach or not, it seems a very kind person. he is very attentive to the characters and for being so attentive and so. well, let's say so

in detail and convincingly show their feelings. he still has to be, well, the merciful need to see e man in another. and he doesn't blame them at all. that is, it gives freedom to people to be what they want to be. it's great. and it's very unusual and e price tags in this sense. well, roman ekaterina is also unique, but they would agree. you, for example, ikrinize this story or somehow rework it, but you know the most for me. in my opinion, the text is important here, and the text is very difficult to put. i don't really understand how to translate it uh hmm yes , it's too literary, how to translate it? eh, well. others do not understand drama, because the plot itself. well, if you take it, well, this love triangle plot was described a lot

and in general, well, it was itself dramatic. yes, there is a columbine to pierrot e, and harlequins. loved this business. yes, of course, well, it just seems to me that, firstly, fools do not have price tags. people are smart. in general, all these people, they are all curious, they are all very bright, bright character and very different , and this, probably, attracts everyone, i think, but i don’t know how to translate this into the language of dramaturgy, the way that roman a is written the most valuable thing for me is the language. well, i agree that the language, amazing, it is unique. it is impossible to repeat and marings, unlike anyone else, not in poetry or prose, as we understand me when it is surprising that arendangov wrote, well , dozens of very different plays and he had somewhere successful, for example, jester balaev or

the birth of a poet. yes, and at one time they were staged with great success, the play was a golden hoop, which he wrote together with mikhail kazakov sr., and the father of a famous actor. yes, and a big drama was opening in moscow. theater yes, that is, he, as a playwright, well, he took place. yes, he had everything in this regard, and after his death, in our time they make a film, they put on plays, for some reason the price tag is the most for some reason, uh, the famous one left the most probably, the fat trace is so cultural, if you look in time, yes, as if, if you lay it out along the timeline, yes, it turns out that the price tags are most often repeated, paradoxically you never know, yes, some work will sound in time, so redox thanks big for an interesting conversation. this

was a podcast, a must read. i am the main batch file director of the writer. my guests were the director of writing ekaterina two gubskaya and oleg demidov, a literary critic, a poet and critic. we talked about the novel by anatoly. in and cynic this is a free program podcast. i am maxim tronkov and i have a special guest today, because he promised a long time ago and made the russian national figure skating team smile mikhail kolyada mish hello. hello. mish how often do you sing a song mishka smile somewhere. yes, not often, unfortunately, only you, only me, yes, i thought that you were just tired. it's not. be sure to pay

attention to michael's smile codes. this is what the whole country loves, his entire army of fans. thank you for coming. thank you for inviting was waiting for you. yes, and you promised to talk today. yes, to be honest, i’ll tell you right away a little exciting, i’ll reveal the secret that misha came to us not from st. petersburg today, but from lipetsk yes tell me why lipetsk well , because my parents and my spouses live there. and now we are visiting them there, my beloved mother-in-law, of course, and what do you do in lipetsk ? here recently we rode bicycles and found kittens, where we found, when you imagine in a box near the stop, yes, someone threw it away and i have heart is breaking. i'm not me, i just couldn't get past. we ended up taking them to the vet yesterday. all checked analyzes there handed over now. in general, they are overexposure, so if someone needs

kittens, please contact my telegram channel, there is a phone number, it is mandatory. if someone wants to get a wonderful kitten from the hands of our champion mikhail kolyada, save a little life and give himself a little warmth. this michael is not very beautiful. they are very kind in general . well, we already have one. and how much kittens five times one five, exclusive all five years, yes, one still managed to attach. there are five left. well, great. to me, sushi is such a kind heart. well, i always knew you were a cool handsome guy. well, mish, tell me, in general, how your life is going on last season, you were not often seen. why is it that i, probably, like any person, have some periods. and now i have come to the conclusion that this is exclusive right now for you for all the viewers of the listeners, i have decided to take a break. i discussed this with

coach. i discussed this with the choreographer, and we all came to the conclusion that, well, i just need to switch. yes , switch to try something new try to ride in the show, because, well, i was on the leverbuch tour. i liked it very much. i liked the inner feeling, how i can reveal some new sides of myself. well, now i’ve finally started to conduct social networks, because my hands still got to this point, because it became more time to subscribe. then on to you. subscribe it will be listed somewhere. well, that's why now is just such a period. we need to think a little about where to move on , what to do next, but this is a pause, this is not a pause announcement. no, no, this is a pause. and last season, you already prepared yourself for

this somewhere, so there were missed competitions. that is, we did not see you at all tournaments, but the fact is that i also had a lot of injuries last season. that is, u, i missed the competition only because i was injured somewhere, that is, not in my opinion wanted, yes, that is, i don’t want everything. i mean they give in. no, that is, there has always been an objective reason before the state of health. yes , but now there is literally hmm maybe a couple of weeks ago. i have come to the conclusion that this need to pause is necessary. and i have a question for you, which has matured for me based on observations. and then, as you and ilya averbukham work on those programs, and you talk a lot and you come up with a lot of ideas of some thoughts on the movement around everything. that is e po big part you are directly involved in productions. well, yes, because we live it all together, we digest it and

try to give out something that didn’t exist before. in this regard, do you think to try yourself, for example, as an independent director, because, as it seems to me, in the last generations of our single skaters. let no one be offended by me, but the coolest wheeler. this is mikhail yes, if you take exactly skating rotation. well, you know, it was you who gave me a very good idea. true, because if i were a single skater, i would like mikhail kolyada to put on a program for me, because it seems to me that you are sitting straight thank you and this is objective. well, well, because the possession of the skate is your tracks, your rotations. you immediately received them, very good allowances, and not only in russia but also in the world, that is, this is a strong point, but i will think, i will definitely think about it and maybe i will really be able to do something some number . you have already clearly done something on yourself, do it to someone else suddenly to someone else. to me

seems like it should work. it seems to me that nikolaevich may be a suggestion that we will try to do something. why not? you can try, but the honorary prize, you have already found the program received them. so, yes, in principle, you already have recognition. well, small. there is, of course, recognition means to you. it was really very unexpected, because i kind of sat thinking, and from whom did you get mironov ? hear. he starts to sing a little ad and i think so, yes, isn't it possible that this can't be. but i really sincerely lived through, that is, the whole story, and to be honest, we later , when we were talking raw, he says, well, as you say, it was the most difficult program in my life. i've never been so tired in my life and never worked so hard. that's just emotional. it was very powerful. then i just

came to my senses for a couple of days, because, well, it was really hard. well, at my age, i went away for a week. after that, a couple of days was enough for me. mish you liked the part, yeah you generally support this kind of tournament. uh, here's the idea of ​​the channel one cup jumping championship. i am for everything new. i will say so. i liked everything very much. i liked the organization. i liked the light, i just came there for a rehearsal. the first day is just like being in a museum. that's how i walked i watched everything, my god, how beautiful it is, although it performed a thousand times in this arena. yes, but still it was. it really is like the first time. i mean, that's how it got me. that is, so i had some emotional background that i was able to give out at the right time. here you need emotions, and then, of course, i already someone has to beat yagudin, so we are definitely waiting for you. i can't promise i'll be there myself. still, well,

i mourn something, but no, if it hurts for you, i will be ready. thanks, that's very flattering. of course not, definitely not. if they invite me, i will participate, and i really liked this format. you see, do you know that you are the last of the mohicans, the last medalist of the world championships, russian? in male loneliness about it until now, but apparently, so, that is, your bronze. this is the last bronze in men's single skating for russia, or remember, in which year she was 18, there 5 years ago and 5 years ago. no one even came close to your result. when do you think when and who, when can we get close to it? well, taking us beyond the scope of admission to the international competitions, it’s very difficult to say

, really very difficult, because when the world cup was held, i didn’t watch it all, well, in parts, and i realized that the level is very serious. and to be honest, i even i can’t guess who and in what year , all the more so. in the foreseeable future, it is realistic for someone from russian to be alone. i think all this is real, because we are all human. we all do beautiful things. sometimes we make mistakes, well , we try to do it beautifully, looking back. here is your transition to alexei nikolaevich mishin , what did he change in you? tell us a little about this part of your career with alexei nikolaevich. how could you get out? here on this new level for myself, but it was hard. it was hard, because when 20 years old you walk along one path, try to go the same way, but on the other path it becomes extremely difficult. what were the main

differences? yes, probably in everything from how i greet him every morning. and how do i say goodbye to him? setting up the training process there is a daily routine, that is, it’s all somehow, probably, this transition made me grow up myself, or what? that is, i somehow looked at my life in a different way, my career, it was a pity that you had not switched earlier. no i never regret what i did never, even if you make a mistake, how can rarely okay or offended a person? here i always would have invested in a bream, i always regret when i offend someone, honestly, so forgive me, please, honestly sincerely i apologize. if someone gets offended at me, you're so cool no thanks. well, i'm really, well, sincerely you see , let's go back, maybe not at the most pleasant time for you in 2018, then not only our common hopes

for you, but also your own did not work out at the olympics. let's just say you it was hard for you psychologically. tell me a little about this year. about the eighteenth world cup still did not work. i agree with you, because apparently, well, i know what was missing. i just don't want to talk, but i didn't analyze enough, of course, 5 years have passed. i'm already looking at the screen , even hinting at what happened, maybe, in general terms, let's start with the commander, that is, my performance, in principle, is there, and did not decide the role. we would still become silver medalists from the cat. i'm perfect, we would all also won silver medals. all this was closed. as for individual competitions, it was possible to perform at one maximum two places higher. i mean, objectively objectively, i mean, i just wasn't ready, like this, uh, and i admit it

psychologically and psychologically and physically, because it's very hard to ride. well, in fact, four programs a week. it's not like a show program. so i performed at the russian challenge, one such program here there are four of them in a week, but it seems to me, after all, it was possible special prepare prepared. you understand it wasn't enough. that is, when i did not come across this, i just watched on tv, i think people give. this is the same , this is such a level, this is impossible. then when i got there, i realized that it was very difficult. but when i got there, i came from there, i realized that i myself am to blame for my troubles . i don't know. cup of the first channel from the olympic games nothing program sale

ice the same skates too all the costume is the same. the whole point here is to do everything. it's hard here. she will buy the first channel easier. i have never performed on channel one, so it's hard for me to compare. unfortunately, it’s hard, by the way, but it’s kaifovo in its own way, but you know, uh, what i don’t like is how the athletes perform at the channel one cup, that what concerns this tournament, the athletes are in no way competition. i do not feel like not preparing for it come very poor physical condition technical condition. that is, even though i still don’t even know how to call my role. well there in a support group. yes, there one of the teams is usually the blue team, the losing team has been coming to me for 3 years in a row, guys. i just saw them at the russian championship where they take prizes, quadruple jumps fairy a-a they come to the first channel cup and jump doubles, they can skate with

three double jumps in the short program. that's why i don't like it. it seems to me that relations need to be changed for this tournament , it is preparing, right? and next year i will reveal a little secret. mish let this tournament be reformatted for this very reason. yeah, there will be big changes. ok then. you will tell me later what will happen. maybe just your pause is over, and you're still on the banknotes. i am not sure, let see what will happen. i will rate everything, if it is bad it will be valeria so that they do not take offense at me. well, what can i say, in the detachment of characters of thieves , one beautiful thief has become more? lord , thank god i'm not rich, he's so hooked. i would have

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