will cancel. this is your common past, which was wonderful and beautiful friends. we really do not know how the fate of our hero, who, for example, is very nice to me, will turn out. and i would like that no matter how his life develops, so that in this story. in the end, everyone was happy and one and his ex-wife. zuhra have two children. let everything turn out as it should and it will be good for them. well, i think that a significant part of the conflicts arose in the relationship between vadim caviar precisely because they tried to be always happy always and so that everything is always good with them, so i just call on an adult position and yes to strive for happiness, but does not require that it be no longer tying the word to happiness to words. i so want. yes, that is, as you wish, it is not necessarily good for you and for those around you

to only show the future. in fact, what gives you something is the fulfillment of your desires and an important part of our meetings here - this is still an easy summing up. vadim, if you are in a few words for yourself, but tell me what's new what's significant you, we got the first moment out of our meeting, i 'm really in a hurry about what you are talking about a month and a half here, you already know how many dates i had. i mean, i'm too , uh, trying too fast, i guess, to forget and find some new love. i just decided for myself. if i fall in love, everything will be forgotten there, but it doesn’t work like that. as it turned out. uh, this first moment is very cool. they admitted that it doesn't work that way. yes, and slightly changed the behavior, then, yes, from now on, probably, let's say it will change. so before. hello hello every day second moment, by in the course of communication with you, such an idea came to me that it still sits in me, as

if a feeling of guilt, uh, i’ll tell you in a nutshell what i ’m talking about, uh, so i left, and i myself decided to start a family. well, mutually, then, probably, i should have adhered to. here is the family code here. now i understand that i have a feeling of guilt. i couldn't do that. i had to observe very cool, what did you say? and here it is important right in one sentence. i will help you - i will try to help you with this feeling, there is no guilt to work . the family code is a general example for everyone. do you understand? no. it turned out that you immediately have a different family code with your ex-wife. that's all. you didn't have to follow her family code, she didn't have to follow yours, but again. if you had done this about two years ago, perhaps, not a fact, you would have had the opportunity to create a common family. that is , it would be good to agree, we don’t know whether it’s good or not, but there was such a possibility and now it

remains. just a little bit different. that 's why this feeling of guilt is actually not unproductive even once. yes you, of course, you have the right to it, as a living person, but it is better to relieve yourself of this full responsibility. yes, because there is also responsibility, but for crap. it was a podcast of the psyche, in which i am a journalist natalya loseva and a candidate of psychological sciences, a clinical psychologist. mikhail khors unravel the complex tangled situations of our heroes, all episodes of projects, podcast paws, see on the website of channel one 1tv.ru. to be honest, i want to tell you that i still cannot understand how i want to return or want to find new ones. i came here asking for what i want find a new one, but so again, yes, the third option. don't ask yourself to make a decision , live in this duality. so you can understand, she will most likely not accept me, that is, because of me there is more divorce. you don't know, well, yes, i'm done, stop. sorry

, you just don't know what will happen in the future. known. live now. here you have a new life, a new city. achieve success, maybe in a year. you will come like this in a white mercedes yes, and there too give her a little time to be her own thoughts with her feelings. both of you are in pain right now. he hurt. now. let him be all right. thanks a lot. thank you. michael is yours. this podcast is a must read. i am aglaya na batnikova, director writer, today my guest is oleg demidov, poet, critic, literary critic and ekaterina dvigubskaya director writer, we will discuss maringovf and his

roman cynics. maringov is the second leader of uh among the circle of poets to him, the most famous of them is sergei yesenin, but nevertheless, maringov is also quite famous, and he begins to try himself as a prose writer after the success of the poetic uh, roman of the cynic comes out, but it comes out in the german publishing house petropolis, uh, in 1928. and this causes a certain scandal. after that, the novel is banned by soviet russia and comes out again, only in the eighty-eighth year. oleg please tell me why it happened . it is necessary to enter into such a historical and cultural context and understand what kind of time it is, right? and this, firstly. secondly, it is necessary to understand the biography of the tolings, because he took place as a poet and was one of the leading poets not only the moscow order of the same low. yes,

this is the tenth mark. the beginning of the twenties, we are generally in all of literary russia, yes, and after the death of yesenin, he switched to a pause, because i realized that writing so experimentally in avant-garde in engineering, as he wrote, but he can no longer. yes, and no one will print it, yes, but, because they have already begun to slowly tighten the screws, they began to standardize literature, but they were looking for new soviet art. uh, let's just say, yes, and he tried to transport after the death of yesenin wrote small memoirs are called memories of sergei yesenin. yes, and they were very close friends, they rented one apartment, and they traveled a lot together; they published books ; they did their own business

; critics from colleagues and he decided to rewrite these memoirs in the novel which is called the novel without lies. many are sure that this is again memoirs yes, but this is not entirely true, but there is such a thing, non-fiction knowle, yes, that is, a novel without fiction a novel without lies, again, and this is how it is translated, it was discovered. uh, european slavic american slavs in the second half of the 20th century ranks. in the twenties , he already created all this, and after the success of the fragrance, without lying. again, he is engaged in exceptional and in the twenty-eighth year, when he moved from moscow to voronezh for the summer, he had a wife. anna borisovna called her. that's it there a little bit to play in the drama theater, and he has collected already. well, the body of another son and went to voronezh and there for some few months wrote price tags. yes, why did it happen? that they began

to ban him. yes, the twenty-eighth year, in general, e is not very calm, and in the twenty-eighth year he begins to write his great novels mikhail sholokhov with a quiet don. yes, and mikhail bulgakov with the master named margarita, and here are the marings with price tags, but the tightening of the screws begins slowly, and the first five-year plan begins, large construction projects begin. ah, industrialization, yes, the standardization of everything and everything, that's hmm brands. just totally not lucky. and in general, he was not very lucky in life and the death of his mother and the death of his father and the death of his best friend. but then they forbid the novel and forbid it for a completely idiotic reason , the book was published not in russia but in germany , while petropolis ferlag is such an amazing publishing house, where

absolutely soviet ones were also published. come, besides zauchenko, yes, and some fellow travelers , some anti-soviet white migrants. yes, that is, they took everyone, if only there was good literature roman cynics - this is a novel and free love and free relationships the actions take place against the background of the revolution in moscow, so to speak, dashing years, complete chaos, the era of change and cynicism is just the main character, vladimir and olga, the most important thing in this novel is, in my opinion, the imagery, how is the novel written? and as it is clear that the scenery. this revolution is a terrible time. and how this cannibalism is written all the time about the fact that people eat it, well, almost this rhythmic, like music all the time, it knocks down the rhythm of the novel, these inserts, but it is generally very curiously described. it's not even like roman. such a great

verse poem is brilliantly written. here you sit and read it. i sat with a pencil and left ticks all the time, because. well, these are such unexpected phrases that are not similar to anything. um images. it's all so twisted and twisted. and that you just sit and don’t understand how a person could come up with this in his head, so make up the words unique optics, but this is, uh, the techniques of women, it’s right to create an image out of unexpected things. well, for example, his poems are harder for me to read the novel is readable. in general, well, in the same breath, while that he is very ethical. eh, he's figurative - that's for sure. well reading. well, in general , a serious read, but it is read easily and with interest, and for me here is the main character, she is wildly, charming, despite the fact that she is a couple. e,

in general, this is anti-feminine. again, the image that very often was in russian, as it seems to me, literature begins nastasya filippovna. i don't know anna karenina, such a fan-fatal woman who destroys herself in this whirlwind, such a sexy female smart. uh, dangerous whirlwinds swirl around standing men, and that's it. it's a whirlpool around a woman it seems to me that it is necessary to say why it arises from this to the gate. eh, plot. in general, vladimir is olga's husband, and olga begins to meet with his brother sergei , the people's commissar. uh, then she starts an affair with dokuchaev. we can probably designate him as a merchant. he is such a nep man, a merchant, in general, a person who makes good money in the war and does some kind of fraud. and now olga can be said to capture almost every man whom she meets e and somehow. in general

, vladimir perceives the whole story. he, uh, patiently endures everything, he adores olga and probably this is some kind of unusual family relationship, and maybe the novel is easy to read precisely because it still exists, uh, some kind of plot ratio, and we we follow. what will happen to them, how such relations develop, what will happen to olga well, of course, always modern in fact, if you turn to contemporary art , sex violence sells well, and then there is sex violence. but speaking, it's very simple and banal, but, but it seems to me, she's very complex, she's also complicated for herself. she is interesting and smart. this is olga , so maybe she is attractive to men. yeah well, you know, no one likes good girls by and large, everyone loves women with a beater , it's only a woman with a beater. you never know what to expect from her and in what second

she will either love you or shoot you. yes , for herself, that she, uh, herself does not know what to expect from herself. olga is trying, but to realize herself in the post-revolutionary world in these terrible events, and trying to understand, and what kind of man she wants to be trying to understand. and what should she do in life, but she is trying to find some kind of fate. yes, of course, there are wonderful fragments, when the matter is already coming to an end, and vladimir says, and olga , well, do something, yes, maybe you want to act in a movie? and she, she says, does not want to go to the cinema. here are better pictures, but it is not very interesting for the child's parents. no i do not want to. puppies i had a premium puppy. yes a they are cute. yes, a few months, until they start to shit. yes, well, that's all in this pose.

this is also a provocation, of course, this does not mean that maybe she would have wanted something. it seems to me that she provokes both herself and around those people who come across this all the time a provocation, when a person is restless by himself. and it seems to me that the main problem is that she herself is restless. is it possible to imagine her somewhere, and at a serious job, and her in the family circle, so that he has children. so far , she did not last long in this and the problem when no one held on for long would say that head flew like soccer balls. oleg tell me please, is this an autobiographical novel or can it be written off from nature, that is, where maringov took the material, the texture was generally large, yes, if you look at the literary world, uh, of that time, then here, in my opinion, as olga is easily guessed by lilia yuryevna brik yes , who knew all literary moscow and not

only moscow, all literary russia yes the girl who drove vladimir mayakovsky crazy and not really. yes, and here it is the story is in the price tags, when e olga cheats on vladimir for the first time. yes, she comes home in the evenings. i can replace what vladimir ivan says yes, but the exact same episode was in life, and lilia and osipov had it at the very beginning of their relationship. if we talk about some texture, there is an excellent critic, culturologist aleksey yuryevich labradov. yes, and when we did in the thirteenth year the collected works of bhring, and he wrote a provocative article for this collected work. where does it say that vladimir and olga are their relationship. this is a kind of application of the relationship between the marings themselves and sergei yesenin uh-huh no, marinka is still a normative person. he is happily married all his life to one woman.

and in general, this is still, probably, a very bold assumption, you know very, very well that i am, in general, a banal thought, but if you imagine those times of god canceled all the foundations of society, everything knocked out, imagine that they generally have developed people what was going on in the souls and in the heads, when you don’t understand at all what to rely on there is no god sex. it’s also like, no, there is a certain licentiousness from this. well, here are some experiments all the time, plus more experiments are going on in art and it’s very avant-garde towards art, so what was going on with them there. it seems to me that they were cooked in some kind of boiling cauldron. if we talk about the factor then, uh, let's remember finance never. yes, and olga calls vladimir says, i shoot myself and vladimir rushes at full speed, and he tries, but to save her. yes, of course, nothing works

, some images of this lie are slowly going on, where expressive and if we take life again , well, the texture, then exactly the same episode was in life, so the groom was a close friend, vadim gabriyevich shershenyevich, and he was in love with the actress yulia on duty. yes, i met her for a long time, they had a very simple relationship. and here she is. i did exactly the same as olga, but we can say that maringov uses e real texture, and he also uses newspaper clippings, if we go to the library, look at the newspapers of those years, we will see exactly the same as worse, that yes, when i was working on the biography of marings, er, i looked at these newspapers and found exactly the same. that is, bravo simply rewrote all this, he did not invent anything, and this played a role. um, why was the novel banned

maybe soviet russia, the formation of this bolshevik power was presented negatively in this novel. and it played it, it might seem that it was negative, but that’s how he described the rings, otherwise what really happened, yes, his hero behaves, but it’s cynically strange, yes, but she didn’t have time at all soviet power. this is absolutely a novel. well, what did the sailors do. and as a smartest person, and there were two. and the faggots in them, he says that his heroes, but they can say anything, and he is not obliged to share, their feelings, their positions, their lives. but katya, as a director, probably understands that it is impossible to create a character uh convincing yes alive. we believe in this olga. we believe in this situation is impossible. if you yourself have not passed, a similar experience. well, here i don’t quite agree with you, because playing a killer does not have to become a killer, you can

in general, and it is not necessary to have such experience, and in general, he could understand what he was taking for sure. in fact, oleg is talking about this, the material reflecting some kind of life situation, the same hmm, brik was merged from yakovsky herself, but at the same time, maybe it’s creative somehow to process everything that he is a very talented person. he creates wildly interesting images. in general, i can’t say that olga is not infinitely cute there, so that i’m with her there. if i met a similar woman there, i would start making friends, most likely, it would be interesting. true well i would be interested to talk to her for sure, because you are some kind of curious person with a strange biography with strange views, clearly refined, very curious, this wonderful image of sweets that drunk cherry. yes, and it's all such a pleasant provocation, and she says. yes

, already shot at yourself, what would be worth living for the parents of these sweets. and yes, it is cherry. she found. yes, what a treat. yes, they are already dying , right already freezing, i don’t know, it seems to me that , well, what actually hmm, i know that there was a boling. uh, quite a ninam family. a that's it beaches in life, but traditional views. eh, there was some experience. eh, to boriseinaya. yes, in such a year of life they understand that his reception, so to speak, of personal life this podcast is a must-read. i am an aglaya for a batch file by a director writer. today my colleague, also directors, writer ekaterina dvigubskaya and critic oleg demidov, are visiting me. the poet is a literary critic and an expert on anatoly maringov. why is roman called

the cynics? why vladimir olga cynics. how else to call it? well, what is cynical? here you go explained the very way of life itself uh, the approach is so anti-family anti-religious. yes, i understand that for that time, uh, in view of an open relationship absolutely. yes, i understand that for that time, a after uh, kolontaevsky uh, a glass of water. yes, roughly speaking, that there should be complete sexual emancipation, if a person has, but the need for sexual intercourse. well, you can’t refuse him this, but having sex is just as easy. how do you see a glass of water, what is it? yes, people lived in it. you think that cynicism is uh grade. this way of life is precisely the family system of correctly free relations. not only is this a multi-level roman, but they are also price tags because

they enjoy life in such a difficult time, but vladimir in his own way. but as a refined aesthete, how a person is formed history, yes, ancient, in my opinion, yes, the whole course of history, and he does not perceive, but what the bolsheviks are doing in terms of politics. yes, he deviates is not accepted, her other sergey occupies a high place. here the hierarchy rebuilds olga itself. yes mine mistress. katya, please tell me, uh, it seems to you that such a family system is valuable. listen to me, in general, i like the word of cynics, it is sonorous, you know, it is roman much more terrible than this word , to which roman is actually named, that the price tags are, well, like a glass of champagne that you drink, there, i don’t know dancing in the evening hmm where i don’t know somewhere on the table conditionally, but the novel is terrible and deep

about broken people. and cynics. it seems to me that in this word, in the way roman is called, there is also some right acacia, because well price tags. well, these are really funny words. and the novel is not at all cheerful, if you take the scenery. and in general, what happens to the heroes, but he is written cheerfully, that is, there may be cynicism in this, that they relate to the situation in which they all got so much fun, this is such a move of a dead man, and they laugh sincerely, they revel life, but this is the worst thing, when people realize that they are dancing. but, well, behind this thin-skinned man is dancing on the titanic, figuratively speaking, this is very scary. are you interested in such a heroine, here not lived in your book. the heroine’s childhood, perhaps, is somewhat similar to olga , my heroine is just as provocative, but

it’s clear that, well, writing about very good and right people is boring, but you always want to find it in a person. well, a kind of wormhole to understand why it is more interesting to watch such a person. well, in principle, even we in life we are curious about interesting people, and interesting people are rarely very against the currents added about how this novel is written. yes, and what are we zhenism? yes? yes, i see you, and you say it, but you speak your way, don't you? like women yes yes ah hmm why are we interested in romance because a scary time is absolutely scary? yes, but there are some sparkles of life, these sparkles are carved for us by vladimire olga what is maring imagism - this is a combination of pure and impure, yes, that is, some kind of natural , some kind of blood, this is cannibalism.

that is, i feel that there is a lot of unpleasant naturalism in this novel from the writing of porcelain, which is described in such a way that it seems to you that you are one cup of something to you to yours there go all the time. here is this dirt dirt dirt and these old surviving objects. eh, wonderful silk there. and it's all so crystal, beautiful clothes, in my opinion, yes, beautiful clothes, but ugly people that cause laughter, some kind of lace there are beautiful clothes on beautiful people that cause surprise. it's all wildly curious, and the image must be built. here, just on this opposition of the two beginnings, yes, if we describe poverty, hunger, uh, cannibalism, yes, throughout the entire text. well what is it there will be chernukha that is, it gives the depth of the novel. this is naturalism - this is horror

described in detail and contrasted with beautiful things and manifestations of refinement. yes, about whom catherine spoke, you know, he reminded anyone. i suddenly now have such a wonderful writer celine that reminded me of the marings of the universe, and not completely different, but this is an incredible imagery of the language when you are like a flurry flying at you. why don't you understand what it is? oleg, tell me, please, what is the place of marings occupied. let's just say in a general literary context due to the fact that the novel was banned. yes, and left, there only in the late eighties. it seems to me, marings for many. he went unnoticed, he is not as popular as yesenin and we don’t know much about him , therefore it’s just interesting to understand what place he occupied in the literary system, given that he lived all his life in russia about all his life he lived in russia, he is in the middle twenties managed to ride around europe was in berlin was

in paris he went there looked, is it worth it get out of russia if you get out, then where, and what experience does his comrade- friends have who have already emigrated, such as the same alexander borisovich kuzkov. about the rest yes, and he realized that a without russia could not. yes , and in europe there is nothing to do, that he will go there? how will you have to work, because for prose for poetry there it’s as serious as they won’t pay in soviet russia, that is , the option of immigration is very much restricting it, of course, about its place in literature. then malenkov is trying to look for himself. after prose is forbidden to him, he understands what to write. uh, some social, prosaic realistic text is not about him. that was great. it seems to me that he tried, yes, well, maybe quietly, uh, in

the fifties he switched to mimoras, and my age is my youth, my friends and girlfriends are notes of a forty-year-old man. and hmm, these are your descendants, yes, and this is the golden fund, and our memorial studies, yes, and actually in the thirties, he moved to leningrad yes, and there he got to know all the wonderful writers like zoshchenko schwarz mikhail kazakov a. boris mikhailovich ikhenbaum literary critic danianov and so on. this is such a leningrad bohemia soviet bohemia all the thirties, he writes plays, yes, and the plays here are just the same, but rather social-realistic, yes, but what was the fate of these plays, they were successful, some were successful, but most were filmed after the 200th performance before the dress rehearsal, the performance is not solid. not enough

by soviet standards. dissatisfied. the way they do it all, although from my point of view of the marings, lucky because he doesn't was repressed. he earned literary income, which is actually quite a lot, when he moved from kirochnaya to borodino, and hmm, this is in st. petersburg and the next tenants who moved in, uh, in the apartment, yes, the entrance has some insane amount of locks, 10 pieces of the chain. and some kind of paranoia of the thirties is the stalinist terror, yes, and ringov seriously feared for his life, and he alone, in my opinion, mentioned mandelstam's poems in his plays. yes, somehow them there. uh, to hide, so to speak, he wrote absolutely socialist realist plays, but with such a double

triple bottom, and he could give his texts to the heroes so that they read. e, walking around the crimea poems by mandelstam yes, at that time already absolutely forbidden exiled to vladivostok , who died there yes, and the intelligentsia, who understood who mondelstam was reading his elements, and she was sitting in the hall. and she was obviously surprised at how cunningly bringov did all this. ekaterina a. i want to go back to talking about the heroine, olga. could she go to some other spiral. now, yeah, what could be a heroine like that, or uh, that's just how it could have ended, listen, but this is such an image of a destroyer, and she destroys what we have already said, like other people's lives. well, it is logical that she should destroy herself, that is, it is very difficult

to imagine that this woman will suddenly start making borscht or go, uh, to serve some kind of soviet service. uh, she serves in the soviet government. yes, i have a secret. she has her own secretary. she serves herself. quite imagine, as we understand from a book of some kind, well, a high-ranking post is not able to do anything. at the same time, he doesn’t know how to do it and i think that in general, we don’t do anything. and without even pretending that she is doing something and not trying. do not try. well understand that she had to end up like this. how she finished and it seems to me her death with these sweets that haunt me is so paradoxical. yes, because she is funny. she somehow tastes it on the one hand, like candy. she tastes it. and at the same time she dies in earnest and for sure, she is still in incredible agony, because she is undergoing an operation and it says that she is not given e anesthesia. that is, you imagine this operation on the spine,

how painful it is, and she keeps her own. actually. here is the pose to the end. she plays with death. by the way, there is such a snag, or something, there the hero comes running, eh yes, he hurries to her to save her, and he comes running. and it is written there that she missed, and here we readers exhale that kena missed, she will not die. yes, it still dies. well, even when she calls you seems like a joke, right? it's a joke, but it turns out it's not. why? this is a heroine, pretty, here she takes money, for example , she will collect 15,000 dollars a night. yes, this merchant philip probably took it and threw them , uh, into the fire, that is. it fascinates me, it seems, any any person of such character. this is no longer a woman, but just some kind of this very tornado, but she is not selfish. it's the style, it's the gesture

, and they come to the charity lottery and i buy it for her. uh, in fact, dokuchaev was the village of business, then the vases were terskotel, when approached them. there is at this fair, yes with these vases, and an absolutely amazing episode when full of hips this woman is a telephone, yes, what does she do with a telephone number? yes, and dokuchaev does not understand at all, does not understand what olga is doing. yes, remember. yes, yes, such and such number such and such dokuchaev please hear me. this lady has the same phone number. she mocks him and develops and also imagine what faith in her feminine strength. it's amazing, i think it's real. well, here's a fatality, she even a dominatrix, that is, she humiliates men so easily. naturally, men are completely subjugated and obey this. in general

, the rules that olga dictates to her do not even care that vladimir got himself a pear mistress. here, on the contrary, the tip in every possible way pushes the beginning of the caviar to this. as it says two two hearts. what legs? yes, but it seems to me that he is going to this marfush. uh, as ekaterina correctly noted, because olga told him, go to this morfush, as you can not appreciate it. here her such beautiful plump legs, and he, uh, actually does it. just like a puppet, no. yes, and get married. she is wonderfully marrying him this year. they will heat me up. it's good that you offered me to marry something so that, well, what, they will sleep together, then she says, well, no, you're cold, but nothing cold, like hunger also play a very important role in cynics. yes, but yes, and in general in the life of the brings. they had such an episode with yesenin. they planned to write great

dramatic poems specifically for everything gadfly merhold swords. yes, yesenin wrote pugachev and wrote the barings for the city of fools. yes, but as they wrote, all this, and they had a room, there was a bathroom, yes, and in the room. so they did not try to drown, nothing came of it. it was very cold, then they didn’t move the desk to the bathroom, but locked themselves there, when they had already written it all had to be transferred to printed texts. yes, and yes, they asked acquaintances in the typist to come and retype all this, and then they realized. well, there is a lady, yes, she is also in the body, it's cold, don’t think anything bad, yes, and gret she will go to bed for 15-20 minutes and warm this bed with her body so that they don’t go to bed in cold linen. and now