the temperatures there are very different people, the late makanyan colpide. yes, there is powerful, yuzefovich. leonid abramovich, you all know not even. no , of course, but nikonov nikolai grigorievich what a great writer was? i've now written a play based on. uh, books, his vestal, wrote a play in the theater of satire sergei gazarov will have to stage, i hope, because well, the name is completely forgotten, a brilliant writer. i worked in the ural magazine for 11 years as the editor-in-chief, nikolay came to the magazine in his time, they had an absolutely small circulation small. uh, the library. just eighty-seven darnay number. yes, this is the most famous yes, the famous sasha ivanchenko was wonderful. where did you go, by the way, you understand, comrades, they disappeared, let them say they will reprimand. here is a podcast, here i am dmitry bug, the host of a literary podcast.

let them not speak, let them read and visit my drama by the director of the kolyada theater nikolai kolyada and now our median is coming. uh, i think we're already bad. yes? no, we're done. only the first part of nikolai i will read a few lines. i usually go by the book i read, but here is the abbreviated text. uh, with such excerpts, it's just that it takes less time, and from the cherry orchard from chekhov's boring dramaturgy is my favorite, because with the cherry orchard. i borscht say sleep in an embrace for decades. i love this play. and so, uh, as we, of course, remember, and whoever does not remember will now know, and immediately forever, that the motive of hearing is very important there , the motive of hearing that hears further. what is it, maybe there are not hearing the firs who speaks the day before yesterday. a tub somewhere in the mines well , in a broken string, finally, the most mysterious

incomprehensible symbolically loaded, but here is the jewish orchestra, which is heard across the field, but it is very important that literally from the first lines this motive of heightened hearing changes absolutely everything in the reality that chekhov offers us in his last play. here is a start with small ones. uh, the train came in lopakhin banknotes. thank god, what time is dunyash. soon two was extinguishing the candle already lightly lopakhin, how late the train was for two hours, at least, he yawned and pulled himself up. and it's good what a fool he came on purpose here to meet at the station and suddenly overslept, sitting, fell asleep annoyance. if only you would wake me up, dunyash. i thought you left. he listens, now, it seems that lopakhin is already on the way, he listens, no, to get the luggage,

then, yes. everything, how many meters are there to the station at dmitry vladimirovich in the theater, i saw and i will say, yes, i’m not calm, but you didn’t read it. i am very happy that we are starting a theater, but what is it, how is it staged? we know it was forgiving, i'll tell you how to remove, when the whole room is sleeping on these words. i 'll tell you, and without the hall should not sleep, but sit like this on the edge don't fall off with pleasure, because that's what these people are. eh, what do they hear? it's far from the station. she's not in the yard. e domra nevskaya yes, to get the luggage, then, yes, everything, my father, it was true, he was a man. and here i am in white vests and yellow shoes with a pig snout in kalashny ryad. only now the rich have a lot of money, if you think about it and figure out what a man turns the pages of a man into a book. here is a book, i did not understand anything,

i read it and fell asleep the soul of a dog. they didn’t sleep all night , they smell that the owners are coming, well, the dogs don’t even aloud, they nose dudes and infantrymen lopakhin. he listens for the fourth time and indicates to us that it seems they are coming. and then everyone goes straight across the stage, the famous luggage scene. i'll tell you how bad directors are. this is what good directors do. i go to the cherry orchard. there is a very different good director. a good director - that means he listens because of chekhov. this is how the curtain opens. so, and there ku-ku -ku-ku, that is, it was. why yes? yes yes. yes, then it means dripping like a drip. cap, cap, cap, then shovels, he says, found the train. ku-ku. ku-ku bubu, thank god, and so the whole performance

is possible to die, therefore, tell the whole story yes, the whole hall, together with the carol, is doing so go ahead. they sleep terribly. it's impossible the door opens and everyone yells, lyuba is a fair-haired scythe , the cossacks are troubled. they are waiting for all the domestics waiting for her joy. she comes from paris, that's how the situation should not be played. they are bloom, bloom, bloom. you know what bubu and that's it. will it be on the next tour? you don't know me, but i'll definitely tell you. i'm very fun performance. well, in the final. i say never lopakhin really cuts such a baluster with an ax. that's how the chips fly to the last row in the center on the passionate so scary so scary, lord, it's fun scary. i didn't understand the endings are scary because the audience pays money for the tickets. for that , and there at the end to cry, command a classic.

why are you laughing? yes, laugh at yourself. i understood. that's all. well, all the same, i say, i generally like it when they laugh laugh laugh later. crying so oh oh oh oh oh we they believed him. we thought that this kolyada was a clown skobaroh, chatting something there, it turns out that my next question was just that. you all mixed it up beautifully. the next question was just, well, about the style , about the principles of the kolyada theater, but now i will very sharply, sharply move it away from me, because well, chekhov is simplified by this oblique and, uh, with these bari dances there is no such thing. chekhov has 7. no, look what's there, look what 's in the text before your, uh, scene. uh, in which the text does not need a soul there. now i'm in i'll faint, there's e-shovels. well, they love ranevskaya. yes, this word was said to me, but

for some reason i came here. yes, there dunyasha say that the infantry made a proposal to me, and there everything is absolutely tied up with this whole system. as we now speak and fall all this is done. it's interesting in the visual yes, dmitry well, tell me, even my story doesn't give a damn about it at all, it's not about me. tell me change, i'll tell you now. tell tell. so you put on a skullcap, yes, and you cease to be a director, as it were, yes. in fact, the director would who pays the salary and counts the money. so dunyasha is the thinnest. chekhov's is that the sound reaches the ear, despite all the applications. you will explain this, i understand the artist will tell me he is brainwashing me. i realized then, there is better. this is the best for serious. put on a couple of sails, i'll tell you. oh, what a clever girl, my god, what i'm

doing here on stage. that's the main thing that i did in any way. and what am i doing, our dear interlocutors. uh, after the end of this program, there is a change in chernyshevsky that is, nikolai kolyada becomes a tv presenter. i'm going to direct. this is the main result of our conversation. and now, nevertheless, explain to such a skeptic and layman and not a director and not an actor, but, but a person who believes that the text in general , they very often need to be performed, explain what kolyada theater is not in the sense of an institution. and in the sense of style, everything is possible in the theater, that you , i paid in 2 seconds, i don’t need a technician, i’ll laugh. yes, that means that here you teach technology at school as a student and you know that there is technology there, there is acting. it's all possible play an outhouse adjustment event, god why the belt thank god? and the soul is quieter, wait. let me say, but

sincerity can never be played in the theater, either it is there or it is not, goodbye. here in my theater , forgive me. to read sincerity is real and i achieve it, if it is not there, if it is not there and there is no sincerity, everything is everything and everything. the rest again i will argue with you sincerity is a bad word. i've already started to get so wet and calm down, i think, well, no. we're going to meet this person now. not no let's get together. i work in the citadel of konstantin sergeevich. i adore nadezhda petrovna alamanov of the great fashion designer, and suddenly she began to write a play, but because she did not leave in the seventeenth year, she was a supplier. ah. yes, they let me in. so, when we were on tour, in the museum of em hut, and i looked, everything connected with it was left there quite a bit. here she is, she said before she died. eh, i'm probably

going to die soon. i have two drops of seals left, my piekha or bitches are called. years in a joke that he told this book that you're in first, but cannot name. stern or two drops? yes, two drops of cat. i wrote a song where she writes about stanislavsky hmm and does not say, well, i came up with, i'll come, this. uh, the worst words, because, if you look at the great stanislavsky, who was turned into an icon, our icon again shows you imagine he wrote a book in the thirties called my life in art. now, if you are anyone now and for actors from playwrights directors. you would write my life in literature, what would happen to you. which arrows would fly you understand, and he allowed you to do this, he considered himself to be gods during his lifetime. lord, forgive me, lord, and

i didn’t write her name lamanova on posters. although she makes costumes for him and wrote. i pretend to be quiet. it actually rises in me absolutely not. you do not rise such a terrible anger uh achilles sing, yes , the living goddess can not be turned into an icon. look monsieur. see what's the matter, i repeat sincerity. if you let me finish, and what i don't like, that you do not give, a very bad word, because no, but sincerity. i sometimes see my wonderful talented guys on the site of the series. they say, so i'm only for you, so you go further. yes? no , this is generally the last extension from the construction site. uh, events and stuff. you know what konstantin sergeyevich says. he says that nothing can be played. you tell me that everything can be played and i will pay. now says kolyada yes, now i jumped into levitation, i'll do it. eh, stanislavsky, how did i do it? you see

look, it doesn't matter in terms of broadcasting to old ladies. yes it's good. yes , russian grandmothers, grandmothers, you said. but look what sergeevich says , my most beloved person to any equestrianism. i love young stanislavsky and so on. he says that you won’t play a damn thing if you don’t grow it in yourself. it’s all about, that’s why it’s so small, maybe an actor is suspicious when he plays a lot. yes topic speak for a very long time. let's understand a little bit, i took you away and therefore i will send a play, two drops of koti she is small 21 pages with pleasure you know what is there, a lavanova, as i imagine, because i have studied a lot of everything that she is stanislavsky. and chekhov, with whom she met, says, i understand . now let's finally talk about your prose, here i am from

your own hands a few months, probably already ago. yes, i got this book, it's very funny. good cover. i like this carroty pleasant carotene color. these are our artists. katya kaluzhnikova wrote to the request. i say, draw me, katya, and my cat's bike. i even found him fighting as if we were looking out the window at that turn it over here, uh, on the other side. i understand, yes, we compose sad stories here from the back. yes, look, well, uh, i really liked it. maybe i'll give you such a cheap compliment. i liked it very much. it's simple and it's hmm quality and uh real. although this is a strange compliment, because now there are a lot unfortunately, but such a good one is easy to learn now, but you have learned from you, and you, uh? well, and from the earth from the black earth, write all this, and mm i say. i

love chekhov the narrator. i love him and so there is no. well, what are you bishops of the last studio in the ravine, this is all this in general cosmos this is not conceivable. it was not mentally that something blew an empty bottle in the ravine, when they were sitting there by the fire, she came up with a dead child and said, i'm not a wizard of some kind. i forgot when and got on the cart and go. they are taking her, she is holding her. this is a dead child. look, well, it's impossible. it's scary to read. it's not just scary. this is written. simply simple, but the heart is overflowing. it's clear. i wanted to forgive me, god be, a campaign similar to chekhov's narrator is fine, and now the second book is coming out called don't be sad. i really want people who read my books or look there to calm down somehow and say something and everything will be fine. wait all, look. that will be good. i just don’t know what will happen in the second one, but

i have an hmm impression on this book. uh, that's what uh, but this is absolutely not theatrical stuff, contrary to the dramaturgy, because there is no pointe. there is no connection there. often. yes there is, uh, some story. well, a girl, a saleswoman gets acquainted with some guy fedya yes, for example, and now she is making some plans, thinking about how to kiss him. but i can't. yes, all this is written with a big soul, and then it does not deceive, does not take away, does not throw. everything will be fine. i want everyone to believe that it will be good, but look at others, but in other things, and where it starts badly, everything remains bad. yes, there, it seems to me, i just see it's so physiological, very much that it's solvers, right? this is fedor mikhailovich reshetnikov yes, i'll give you

two sub-lippovites. a. well, i don’t know what, even more, except for the tv presenter, of course. uh, what is the eastern waiting for after today’s release, what other two talents will be discovered, but uh, in addition to the director of the actor, uh, director of the theater, artistic director, armature, cleaners, cashier , main ballerina, main ballerina, artist, costume designer, play designer, you still, of course, uh, hmm not open. and i discovered for myself. and the talent of a prose writer is wonderful. well, actually, er, under completion. i'm going to ask the question, which , uh, actually, in my opinion, which completely crossed out by you, thank god. hmm e was the designation of the theme of our program. so i wanted to ask you, and the author's theater, how would it have a future. it is possible today, but our listeners and social security. of course, they know that now we are in the transition from the repertory theater, which is dying

creeper, to the project theater or three recognized ones or some other words that i can’t pronounce. but the author's theater of the beginning of the 20th century, whatever you take, the author's theater stanislavsky nemirovich will even pronounce these terrible names for you. here komissarzhevsky there, yes tairov well, meyerhol in anyone everywhere everywhere author's author's theaters, for which they simply shackled, but also the manner and approach. uh, hmm and so on. this is what de boerov says. well, where did they go somewhere in the soviet years ? and they are also often asked, i was friends. what do you leave behind? yes, puke, he said and the wolf said, yes, what will be, will be. and what, what about me here

what difference does it make to me? what will come after me, but it was and still has been the user's world, great by the way i really respect. stanislavsky was volchek was viktyuk was a tabakovite the kingdom of heaven is great, whom yes efremov people, near whom i even had to stand with some friends to talk, my plays were staged, that is, the author's theater is not only the theater where one person and a cleaning lady and a cashier or directors are an artist but any genuine theatre. so, you can probably say yes, genuine sincere real co sincere word. i'm only on five seconds. i will reconcile, because i think otherwise, but today in our conversation, of course, everything ends. approximately the same as in the stories and posts of nikolai carols, that is, everything ends on the route. and everything will be fine, uncle vanya, we will see the sky in almaza, we will rest

and people in 300 years will be better than us, we remember all this very well, and uh, that's why uh, i wholeheartedly from the bottom of my heart thank the playwright and so on and so forth and others and the future tv presenter nikolai carols for this meeting. thank you see you again and dear, and i tell all our interlocutors invisible to us, as always, read with pleasure. this is a podcast triggers and tatyana krasnovskaya, a psychologist, a psychotherapist and a psychologist, a psychotherapist sergey, are with you . today we have anna hello. hello anna tell us what you came to us with a few months ago. i was

diagnosed with severe depression. ugh me too. well, yes, it's been a few months. i still can't accept the fact that it exists. diagnosis and, accordingly, those moments when it would seem that you need to give yourself some kind of support yourself. well, this is out of the question, and every time, as if getting worse and worse, yes, and i scold myself all the time. and well, as if it’s not from myself that you are going to gather now, it seems, well, there is not enough strength for some elementary actions. every time they scold themselves. here is lazy. yes, what kind of depression do you have, what is it that has gone crazy there? and something doesn't work at all. how old are you, 21, and who diagnosed you psychiatrist. under this under all you passed inspection hormones. here's your diagnosis. based on, including your

physiological state of physiological state. just in general, everything is fine in the case of severe depression. ah, or there asthenic syndrome. there should be indicators of your hormonal failures. this is what your picture of diagnostic hormonal collections looks like, as far as i know, there were some kind of mri, all these brain studies. there, there may have been some shifts, and they explained to me, but i didn’t i especially understand that in this you were prescribed antidepressants, they didn’t prescribe antidepressants, but at some point i stopped drinking them, therefore, because it will only get worse and worse. well, that is, there is constant c anlivity and, in general, some side effects and, well, as if to go, let's say, yes, to a new psychiatrist, because, well, it happens that, well, it doesn’t fit, it is advisable to change the doctor . and, well, i already lack moral strength, like, i'm not ready again, uh, to sleep for days. i'm not ready, there again, uh,

well, as if there are basic forces now. yes there somewhere to go somewhere to go here. here i came and and as if i'm not ready, probably, to return. right at the very beginning, when it was 10 times worse, that is, now i can at least get up to wash my hair from this series, and you came to a psychiatrist at a time when even your head could not help. no, well, i probably came, a little earlier, let's say. so, that is, when i was just basic sleeping and sleeping a lot 24/7. it's just that in general i came to work and work in the office, and i could make myself coffee and hold a mug and just like that, you yourself made such a decision yourself. well, i had a young man who insisted that there is, yes, sucks with depression. you are working? you have a young man, as it were. well, here's how it would seem, yes, i am, therefore, i am also

convinced of myself that i held on to the fullest. but where does depression come from, if you have time for a young man to work? that is, how would you have the strength all this uh-huh good. and here you are. a psychiatrist, who, accordingly, is a skaura baby for you. yes you have severe depression depressive disorder for sure. remember how accurate it is, severe depression. yes, they explained. that's when your mri scans did all your tests. some gave you at least some explanation of the mechanics of your disease, because, well , the word is severe . depression is probably not quite a diagnostic concept. but if you have been diagnosed with a depressive disorder, let's say you have severe clinical depression, including this, well , they somehow explained how you don’t have it here. works here does not work. and here it is being processed. somehow you figured it out. well, it's not clear. yes, it is precisely in terms of some physiological processes that there is not much. we're there , uh, plus or minus to discuss. yes, uh, exactly what external factors could not translate into

90% of it, it's like i don't have severe depression. i just have, well, winter apathy. it started spring got worse. i kind of hoped that this spring it would be easier to understand your parents. some kind of participation in your treatment, they don’t know at all, well, because and as if dad is not up to it in general with me. well such a person is very difficult, how to tell her once again and make sure that, well, those phrases that i say to myself, what kind of depression you have for 0 years, what a fool you are uh-huh well, why hear this? again, i can say this to myself, she is more likely to react like this somehow, the manifestation does not meet at all. but it happens there in the format in the evening in the format in the morning and that's it. as if. well, that is, you live together. yes, yes, you live with

your parents, yes, with your mother and living with your mother you manage to do. so she doesn't even know that is, just write off a bad mood. what how how should be practical, well, or if so, she asks something. i say that, well, just what are you, everything is fine for a long time you have such a relationship. it's always, probably, and dad, too, was always not up to you, apparently. no. it seems to me that dad e was always before me, and then , when more children were born to him, well, it’s not like he fell out of love with me. my parents are divorced, and my parents are divorced, they just appeared. well, it seems logical that the focus of attention has also shifted a little. and well as it were, understandable. well, why load him with some other problems, given that well, most likely, he is also of conservative views. and well, they will not appreciate this, my diagnosis. and how long have you been living separately with your dad at 3

years old, in my opinion, divorced. yes, tell anya , i will ask such an unexpected question, maybe for you. and at what age did you first encounter such a stable, perhaps feeling that no one loves you. you know, it's like it goes through life like this all the time 100% i realized it. uh, a little over a year ago less than a year ago, when i, uh, was also at the doctor's office, and she asked me, well , about family affairs. so i say, well, dad loves me so much in general, he, but we don’t see each other, no matter how he calls me. i know that she loves me more than anyone, and she looks at me like that and says. well, what makes you think that he loves you at all? and i look into it like that and think, damn it, really. this, probably, was

such a moment when i, well, accepted it, it was like, well, i heard it. yes, that's probably the point they heard, perhaps they encountered this reality is possible. well, there are some, let's say, moments that show that, well, there, they love me, dad and mom, well, just in their own way, of course, they love in their own way, of course they love, but not at all like you i would like to, of course, and now we will deal with them now, but see here the important point is that 21 years, in general, one could already live without their love. yes, what does not admit, it is like a fact and flutter, in fact, from this nest. well, until you asked, i really was sure that, well, as if i accepted this moment a long time ago. why did i suggest that, perhaps this

will be a question unexpectedly for you. i don't know, i, well, i started thinking about it quite early, and in general. it seems to me that somehow i stopped relying on my parents a very long time ago. in general, i stopped expecting from them some kind of support of some kind of a love, and well, as if there is no such thing that i constantly think about it, that i constantly miss you all the time. no, she's just 21. it would seem the period when he would have to fledge, and break away from it all, but there is, as it were, a part of you that leaves you at one time in this nest in anticipation that, nevertheless, they must come to their senses and finally manifest your lives. i don't think it's likely they do. yes, not 21, a year, they didn’t do much. something is not fair. they just don't know how. they just don’t know how, if you are right, they love, because they think it’s possible, because they think it’s true, at some point when they

got divorced, they might not be up to you at all, most likely, and this feeling of loneliness is a feeling deepest dissatisfaction. it is just the same, and it gives birth, then the very depression. now, if we try to understand the etymology of the word. do you already understand, yes, what depression is under pressure? that is, there is the word press. yes, accordingly, it depresses, it presses, but it is very important here that you suppress inside, because if we are not talking about medical depression. my guess is that if you had a medical clinical indication for what's called clinical depression, you'd be diagnosed as at least the clinic is not in pink. that's why i suspect. something that the doctor called severe depression, but let's put it down to the fact that this is such a psychological depression , some kind of depressive disorder. yes, even then we can say that you are suppressing something inside yourself. here is anya and what feelings, what generally suppresses

nothing inside there. what will happen if suddenly from tomorrow you wake up as an absolutely happy person, what will change, what will collapse, because you don’t like it. your work man will remain, this feeling did not communicate with her at all. i cross out the feeling at which you turn around and leave. how do you say everyone. that is, you are suppressing this very anya who may not go to work tomorrow, stop communicating with her loved ones , and i don’t know everything that does this, there is to enjoy the company of her young man. but there are some external hundred percent, but these external

circumstances. they, uh, can really be problems in implementing it, but you decided to suppress it yourself as if, if it is not suppressed, it will become even worse from what you imagine. i would like to kill tatyana now. yes, you can imagine this is reality. yes, but at the same time with everything, but i have a desire to kill her one version of the feelings that i experience at this moment, and the other option is that i am sitting suppressing this feeling, then, well, now at least. i would look inadequate. i would have no interest in your conversation, because everything i did. i would sit accordingly and crush myself with this feeling at the end of the program. i would definitely bring myself to depression. because then you'd overwhelm with this layer of nothing, what do you call it? i don't feel anything, i don't have anything. this one here, the very state that is above this press, and under the press your desire to make a sharp action, the desire to get away from the page

, push away. it’s just that it’s all the same within the framework of some everyday circumstances, yes, but i can’t do it so abruptly. i would like, and why and how his everyday circumstances, let's say, yes, there, to move out, uh, and somehow separate himself from his parents as much as possible. this, well, we need a little more capital. e. well, that's elementary. yes, this capital does not allow you to work. i still don’t understand at all why capital is needed, what to move out of my parents’ apartment to rent, where you can rent in life. and well, there are options, in fact there are and often it seems that they are too expensive. this is not always the case, but i don’t know how the world is arranged in your picture, because, well, there i have been living in a hostel since i was 17 years old. so , too, you can enter the institute on a budget with a hostel, even so you can at 21:00. yes, and later you can, that is, there are options, but

you seem to see only one picture, that you are moving out from your mother to a rented apartment now, as far as i know, it is very popular to rent an apartment with, uh, somehow share a trinity, like now, that is, you can also eat a huge amount accounts or some now are called publics, where people offer it. so, too, it may not be quite customary to be true. well then , as much as possible there is not at all such a lot of money for this. well, in fact, yes, just then you seem to leave there, leaving everything as it is. there's nothing will not change, but this part that expects that something will change before. here it depresses your responsibility, and in fact your desires. it's just so strange, well, as if it had been clear for a very long time that nothing would change. so it won't change. this does not mean at all that our offended part will not wait for it to change. you know, children often have such

thoughts. here i will die. and all of you pay even it, perhaps it will change from a higher probability it will change, if you don’t wait for such things, it seems that i don’t wait. well, consciously, at least a grown man capturing foreign spies in the center of moscow from her work, her beloved with you is just one mission and doing hers here. i help question.

i will always be waiting for you. this is a podcast triggers and its leading psychologist tatyana krasnovskaya and psychotherapist sergey are with you , and we are talking with anya about how to overcome depression at 21. what are you working as a secretary let's say so well, you work as a secretary. this is hardly your dream job, judging by the way you said, and what would you like to work as normal the state of the third-year student of journalism and the third- year psychopath. well, if he is at that age, because you process so much information , depressive literature, which cannot.