[000:00:00;00] the day the editorial part of our musical team certainly contributes to giving artists the opportunity to find a new audience, but again, we are a platform where an artist, without a label, without uh, high-quality material, yuri alekseevich do not be discouraged. in any case, he can get a chance to find his audience to start his career, but it’s really important for an artist not to forget that it is his shoulders who are responsible and a huge number, most often even teenagers, and what the artist broadcasts. e in their songs, their creativity. it finds from the head in them and here. it seems to me that, in general, everyone should. to take on this responsibility, not to be afraid, and in

general to work with the audience, after all, that radio stations are still somewhere around 99 percent. this is a human fact. this is a music editor, owner of a radio station. well, yes, well, okay, they lowered it, but the story with vk is, well, to a greater extent technologically and then the human part , as it turned out, yes, and in many ways by the way, algorithms also affect how quickly a song becomes popular, if the algorithms notice that if it starts listening a lot at the moment , it sends a lot, but of course there is a chance that this song will appear more in those, for example, music collections that are made just the same by algorithms. here again, uh, in general, to some extent, artificial intelligence also helps the promotion and career of an artist. the platform itself provides

a huge number of opportunities, starting something very banal there, like an advertising promotion within, uh, vkontakte, and then any of your media activity, as an artist outside. well, i'm still surprised that the twenty-third year, and yet for the artist , happiness is after all, when he was finally played on the radio at the beginning of the program. so, in this sense, it changes a little. so, yes, he experiences this happiness, for example, while still being in vk, and being on the radio is not visually recognizable, and this is also another part of this to say that he must become famous in order to get on the radio, that is, his must recognize and visually identify no. for us, this is not necessary. it may just sound. well, it can sound on other radio stations or platforms? or they can just talk, but in general, maybe the music is good , there is also an important thing in order to get into other cases, when the artist is already

rotated, in everything, no one knows how much is not enough on the radio. who knew what the djs looked like at one time, the presenter, and maybe it was good, because when they found out, many upset and chebotina, as it happened. at first she was an influencer, a blogger, no one recognized her, they didn’t label her in any way, but they performed some songs, and he didn’t go through the process for a very long time until he became recognizable, in fact, until they appeared food and gradually gradually. she begins to see, to appear, to be highlighted visually. well, yes, such a law is a little different. i think it helped a lot that she's basically, uh, unlike other artists. she was very present in the media field and, of course, the career of any artist ninety nine percent. artists will not work out until there is a song due. to be a song e, which will already push the artist forward and the fact that lucy just paid attention to working with media, she was recognized thanks to social networks,

that she already had a large audience there. this is just the same as all the stars shoot out and success happened. well, yes , the artists already mentioned by us work according to all the current laws that must be observed. they work on them. someone worse than someone better, but one complements the other. uh, what do you think, neural networks able to create new creative material and upload. uh, on the radio line. no, i don’t believe it, that is, i don’t know, here we recently created logos using, but for let’s say, experiments were carried out using russia, i liked it so much, in general, how the child pleased, because i wanted the design of the bureau, it’s true that he calls and says. well, that's all, well, it's over. contract alekseevich i can't there i have so much work. yes, i did your job in 15 minutes. i

experienced such joy in general inhuman, but in the end began to analyze our coolest brandbooks. i understand that in this music this is an extra note. yes, here it is one or a semitone. that's it, this is already a battle. and before that it was not they that is. well, i'm sorry, but this is something i don't want to be quite like that , let's say there is such a technocrat nearby, although he is. in general, a good person. there is such a person who everything around here is not a certain, heavenly, e manifestations. but music doesn't do it that way. that is, you can create something similar, and even directly quite similar, but simply will not touch all those strings of the soul that music touches. that's why, again, change. not for semitones, it turns me out of an ordinary melody into a chi, why is the first thug and the second third ladder and barre? you see, that's why, like at school,

well, in childhood everyone played guitars there, why and interfering with them, changing the position of the finger accordingly. just one you create a work. before. it was just an ordinary ordinary yard song. no, i don't believe it. i really don't believe it. as long as humanity exists in the form in which it there will be nothing similar for the last 5,000 years, but similar. yes, it's like skillful food, for example, which is synthesized from some elements that have nothing to do with real vegetables, for example. here, no offense. in general, he will be told, here are the fruits. oh, well, that is, it seems to me that it is impossible and, by the way, i still haven’t forgotten about it. uh, to clarify this point, probably 50 to 50. we have this flair and technology, because, as i said, after all , we use what the guys and music testing appeared and

technologies won a little bit in percentage terms, but before that we also checked, because sometimes you work. eh, promotion is a very serious investment in the promotion of the brand of some projects, they are going, that is, the rating stagnates, and then suddenly unexpectedly. you see your target audience in focus groups. you understand that she no longer loves this artist, but it is you who love him, because you still have an emotional connection. you know him, he comes to visit you. this is impossible. this here the radio can also do uh, and uh , play a disservice, therefore, of course, without technology, there is no way, but means on neural networks. well, i can say that i worked a lot on the radio there in general in the past, and there were also moments when well, you must admit, there were such waves when i said that there is no radio station , they are all about to leave, which means that there will be streaming. that means, uh, these advisory services will win everything and so on,

and 2 years ago i had to put together a big playlist and i listened to a lot of music in one of the services and realized that it does not help me in any way. that is, no matter how many 2,000 songs 3,000, four listened to, and he still does not help me, throws up what i would like to hear. i then went into the next room. my daughter was 18 at the time. uh. i say daughter. and how is it that the advisory service does not help me. and apparently, well, the music editor will help. i would quickly explain to him what is required, he would help me. i say, maybe you need a radio station of your own youth in general. she says yes dad, we need our youth radio station and we listened to it with pleasure, and then i realized that the radio won again. here and unfortunately, on this one on this one. on a general note, we will have to wrap up, because our podcasts, by the way, are an advanced format, and it will continue to be, but anyway, radio stations win

yes, the creative industry podcast for you was hosted by elena hyper and roman karmanov, president of gazprom media radio yuri kostin and konstantin director of musical event projects vk thank you, thank you. thank you. hello, you are watching the podcast triggers and with you its leading psychologist, psychotherapist tatyana krasnovskaya is a guest, the beautiful svetlana about my hypertrophied maternal love, so even you yourself

evaluate it this way, to be honest already. yes, i appreciate it. this is how i see and feel svetlana , please tell us a little about yourself first. how old are you? i am 50 years old. yeah, i live in moscow and i'm a mother to my son. now it will be 30 years this summer. do you live together. and now it's been a year. we don't live together until that we lived together. yes, he got married very early at 17. you lived with his wife. yes, his wife's son and i lived together for 12 years. probably, or maybe there was a very great love that could survive everything , or i so wanted my son to be so happy that i didn’t pay attention to everything else, probably, everything that concerned myself. okay, let's get back to

the request. how do you feel? why did you call your relationship with your son so defined as my hypertrophied love. yes, probably, because there are few things in life that interest me more than his life. and it scared me very much now, but because, unfortunately, the son divorced his wife. in the fall, he left, and now he lives his happy life. he is an adult self-sufficient. and i realized that in general there is nothing for me in my life, yes, because all these years. well, how much he was there 30 years old almost in order to be a mother did not like it so much. this is a role. i liked it so much. mom, that 's probably the rest of me. i don't even know, how is it not to be a mother? it's all the time to be

anxious. it's been taken care of all the time. it’s all the time to think about what else i can do so that my son is happy, joyful, that everything is fine with him, that god forbid he is not upset, because if he gets upset, if he gets upset, it will be very bad for me , what will happen to you, i will be 10 times more upset. it seems to me that your description of being a mother, svetlana, has slowed down in its development, because you describe what it is like to be a mother and a child. you can be the mother of a child, be the mother of a teenager, be the mother of an adult man. these are different mothers, and there, as it were, everything is different for a child to worry about taking care of. there are no words, you are right. but it's true, why can't i see

that my son is an adult self-sufficient person, why? i don't want to see it? well, because while he is a child, you have a growing hope that he needs you, and an act since there is nothing else, then this, in fact. the only place where you can realize yourself, i want to say, as a person, but in no way personality. yes, but at least you can realize yourself then with this identity, i am the mother of a small child. well , as it were, it quite wins back your needs to be needed. svetlana, you said that as if in your life there is nothing else but your son, but is it really you who work? what does your social life look like? yes, i work. i love my job very much. and i have, i guess, a social life. i have girlfriends. i have friends. hmm i also have a mother, whom i also take care of and take care of her as my son. and you

successful in your work in what you do. which one can you rate? uh huh, what's the job? what do you do? i work in one large metal house. and i'm in charge of the travel department. yeah, that is, i am in a fairly high position. yes, i really love my job. and as if it would be difficult then to say that there is nothing else, other supports. you have a different social life and there is this truth. maybe i meant something that i don't see how. another woman yes, maybe, i'm realized as a mother, as a person about your the decision to become a mother, you were 20 19, in fact, it turns out that i was 21 years old. yes, i never wanted to have children and, well, somehow at the age of 21. i did not want to have children to give so, well, yes , they did not want to have them after 21:00. well,

i guess i didn't have that desire. for some reason. i don't know even it's difficult now, unfortunately i had a tragic one. experience i have the first son died. at what age and it was very hard to experience it, and then let's talk about this child. tell this pregnancy and the decision to become mother for the first time. you know , i can’t say that it was some kind of conscious choice of pregnancy. yes, there was a pregnancy. i was married. i loved my husband and had sex with him necessarily well. as a result, children are born. let's look straight ahead. and you love having sex. and at some point you will know that

you are pregnant. that's what 's happening at this moment. i decide to keep this child. that is, you still have the idea of ​​leaving not leaving. do you somehow live with her or do you discuss it with someone? with my mother, my mother, of course, was in favor of me giving birth to this child, and in general, everyone wanted to. and what words did mom find that you also decided that i want this child, i was not sure at that moment that i want to live with this man, and therefore the whole pregnancy. i had such a state that i don’t want this child, i’m afraid to give birth to him, because as it goes on, then it will go. my life it will be like already for me. like some. well, spoiled, or something,

fate, that's how i go on, i, apparently, already i wanted to divorce my husband, and i was afraid to give birth to this child uh-huh well, in these 9 months , he didn’t have any cardinal changes in relations with these men, as far as i understand. then why didn’t you, for example, have an abortion, after all. why did you listen to your mother? she said, i will help you, i don’t worry, of course, my father and mother support me all the way you express the child. yes, then i give birth to a child and unfortunately, after 12 hours they die. i already wanted it, how at what point it happened, what they wanted. i don't know clearly what women are during pregnancy is a certain change nature so arranged. yes, a woman in the ninth month of pregnancy usually already understands that the child will be reborn in any way, yes, and nature arranged it in such a way that the biological processes in the body that you could recognize or that you could evaluate change. like

the desire of this child. well, that's great, isn't it? yes? and then he is born and something happens. here she is, i don’t know, you looked at him there, but for some reason he was sick, for some reason he didn’t open up. easy for yourself. he was born on eight months old and the body weight was large and did not tell so in the hospital. you found out that uh-huh survived it. well, of course, i had a tantrum and so that there would be a great sense of guilt, how loved ones reacted, but this was a tragedy for our family. big grass. wait before we move on to the tragedy of the family. i want to understand how a woman who lies in the box feels, there, i don’t know with other women in labor or alone, yes, and you are alone with your grief, there are no relatives somehow. they probably support you, but 20 how many 30 years ago there was no mobile communication and everything connected with it. here you are alone. you have learned that the child has passed away. he must

have been in the hospital for some time. how did you deal with your grief and did you experience it or what did you do? i cried a lot or not. well, you talked to someone about it. no, doctors came to you, maybe psychologists also existed 30 years ago. that is , no one helped you to contain this feeling. uh huh what have you done with this feeling guilt. they did not want this child. i thought, yes, it’s not because i treated this child, so it happened. you managed to forgive yourself at some point. i'm on my way to it so to speak. oh, well, at least i'm more or less understandable. i would like to ask you. at that moment, when you were already

in the hospital, you and your spouse at that moment somehow discussed. what will you name the child? you knew that it would be a boy or a girl discussed, that is, you somehow made some plans that collapsed at that moment. you watch the podcast triggers and its leading psychologist tatyana krasnovskaya is with you, and our guest is svetlana, who found the courage to sort out her relationship with the death of her first child, your son was born. thank god quickly, yes, it was fast, because i didn’t really want a child. now i really wanted a baby. it was simple. well, such an already obsessive idea is something

that you promised yourself the very moment. and the child was born from the same man. yes, i still knew that i most likely would no longer live with this man. we will have very difficult relationship, so i really wanted this child. not just wanted you want it still and still want it, but just strangely tatyana asks the right question. if at this moment you promised, for example , you know an oath to yourself, i will always be there. i will always help everyone and everything. and he, apparently, will be the happiest child in the world. have you heard about manya greatness? how is that? well, it's such a good psychiatric diagnosis that describes a person's schizophrenic behaviors. well, yes, the behavior of a person

diagnosed with schizophrenia is attention, greatness, like for example, i worked in a mental hospital. there were napoleons. there, i don't know, gorbachev, that is, there were such people, there was one hour. unfortunately at the bottom. if they were there, i'm sure. i'm sure yes. were there marys, anyone else? well, that is, any form of the best mothers. there was one man who , uh, conquered me, then still remains my idol, who every night, or rather, every morning, woke up a few minutes right here, just a few minutes before dawn. even though he didn't have a watch. he went up to the window and lit matches and brought them to the window and i asked him once what are you doing this happened right through the tension of many years. i had just arrived there, and he was the only patient who was allowed to have matches. he said, like what, i

light the sun. and so every morning. this man lit the sun. he was absolutely convinced that if he did not wake up or oversleep, then he, accordingly, well, the sun would not rise. only you are doing you are doing plus or minus the same thing. you light up every morning the sun that she shone and warmed your little boy, that the rain would water him there, i don’t know, and so on. well, look. you are already doing it from this point of view. so this is our pure water, so to speak. we are not greatness well, just understand, this is not a diagnosis. well, this is such a complex of omnipotence called a little bit of your life, this is a complex of synagogue. and, of course, having promised ourselves such an oath, yes , svetlana lies in such an oath and the problem lies in ourselves, because being committed to an oath, we convey ourselves as

a woman. and why did i tell her that i wanted to i would like to say how the personality is realized, but no, you are realized as a function next to this oath, but the personality is in this, well, because the personality is still a broader concept. yes, to endure, a beautiful woman, a successful woman, a woman, educated and at the same time with everything, who initially said that this is all that life is. and you are functionally close to that oath. but there for 30 years, okay, the first 10 years. i do agree. perhaps it should have been possible, although not sure, but then the next 20 years, where you could become a happy woman beloved woman. i don't know any woman by any astronauts. yes, you chose to be true to this oath that i will always be there for your story

it becomes. as if now i will say it directly. rudely, i can’t pick up another word for a pawn in this game, because your whole life is his. she is in order to maintain this oath, to be committed to this oath, and as if his life, he cannot live his life, his life becomes not as important as the idea of ​​​​continuing this oath, her right comply. all the rules of the game spoil the mood of his life. his life is a sacrifice in the name of the life of that dead child. you force him to live the life of a dead child, and therefore you idealize it from all sides, because that child died and his life can be imagined in different ways, but in fact, if you look at your relationship, they don’t allow your relationship

to develop, yes, that is, those in which you are do not allow you to become the mother of an adult man, and he becomes essentially the son of a woman, and, as it were, there too do not add up, just new stages of relationships. and it's underdeveloped. that is, it interferes with both of you. i hope that now , when he left you, he left his wife, well, as if he is just starting a period of growing up, which you will have to face, where it is important for him to face these challenges. go through those spheres that you cover with your love with your care with your attention. it is important for him to go through these difficulties , it is important for him to take care of you. about my mother. well , look, there is good news that, despite this omnipotence complex, all this story of omnipotence. he still

got out. that's for sure. it's true he got out. that is, it turns out that there is no such and such power, gingerbread man she is grandmother that she left again. your influence does not spread. actually, it's not. oh, it's an illusion that you can do it, but he lives his life separately from you. i'm happy. thank you. you are already beautiful, mother svetlana is simple, but you can’t be too good a mother, because you are too good a mother. unfortunately, it causes no less injury, but to a man, than a bad one. mom , any mom, in general, the reason for all psychological problems a and motherly love. on the one hand, it is support like wings, but it is also a lasso. which does not allow a man to be a man boy, please, well, well young man. i still agree there, but still you must need me. there is such a concept of psychology

as a good enough mother. and that's it. you say things that i somehow have to no take it take it. you will accept it. you have no other choice. and here the question is, probably, how can you act now in a new way, how can i act in a new way. this is what i'm asking you. how can you act. come on, now you live with an adult man. that is, your universe exists as an adult male, who does nothing at all. he has nothing to do with your previously born child, of course, my grandmother loves my mother very much. well, it turns out, yes, such

a family lived, got married for pregnancy. and in this family there was a great tradition for mothers to love their sons very much. this is such a generic program. now that's completely respectful of my family, because my my grandmother loved my father very much her son, and she lived and laid down her life. and admired it was like this. here is a cult, yes, here is a mother, here is a real mother. my mother, she is exactly the same, m-m, my older brother loved me. and just like that, she loved us, too, everything for us

is a lot of care, a lot. guardianship is absolutely and it was also a matter of pride that like this. we also had a difficult period, very difficult. my brother got very sick. unfortunately. and at this moment i also have a child with them yes, the child died. and so andrei is born and it is as if the sun is rising in this family. yes, because everyone got their share, well, like love, yes, and they were also able to realize their love. uh-huh and it was very big indeed happiness for our family. we always thought that this

was some kind of salvation for our family, because andrei was born because each of us had this opportunity. this is how to love. so here it is right in the third. yes, they were born. andrey wants to say poor, because further, respectively, in place of all those hopes that were destroyed, until this right. yes, dad’s illness is there the death of a child and it means to him, respectively , they hang all this and say, look, we will all love you now. and you should be happy. yes, and god forbid you want. whether you like it or not should be happy such violence in this sense. and of course, then i'm sure that every holiday there is a family holiday. discussed this topic. always his birthday birthday on his birthday they talked about the fact that here, but here there is not he lived and how everything would have been, probably, differently, and now you understand that you it was in this way that you , in general, placed on him the sacrifice that he had to

bear all this time to let go. well, as if everyone had already played their roles. everyone has already played their part. it is enough for you to be, as tatyana said, a good enough mother, and a good enough one. mom, this is mom, who is there when necessary, but does not interfere when it is not necessary, when she is not asked, it seems to me that he never asked me for anything, because apparently he was like that and then he was in time. and calmly observe what is happening.

yes, i've been married twice, right? and i don't know how it all happened. yes, it seems to me that in my life there was not much room for men, and, accordingly, now it is necessary. i would just like to ask now is there a relationship or not? why? why because what's old once? what's wrong? yes, how are you? this topic doesn't work for me. i decided to close it three times married does not add up. yes, rather than rich girls three times. this is probably the maximum and sufficient program, and that's all point i'll show you to leave in order to be in a relationship you don't have to leave. especially at your age you are allowed. thank you and good luck, because you can

build relationships that are quite distant, but at the same time they can be quite open. uh, there, i don’t know the guest ones, but at the same time, ah , they can be filled with love, tenderness , care there, but it’s clear that what’s the worst thing to say, what can be done now to get a cat instead of andrey. don’t do this. better start a relationship in this sense and enjoy your relationships, moreover, as if you are watching how it will do. andrey, your task is to be just a witness to his life. but not the source of your life anymore. to be honest, i really hoped and hoped that i would have a grandson. i will start living. well, of course. can you take a child to an orphanage ? you can call him grandson. you can name it whatever you like. you are free in this sense, that is, as soon as you free your hands from andrey, something will appear. i don't know how it will happen, but something will appear, but

your task is to release stop holding it. i will tell one story to the witnesses that i have become i was sitting with a group of my guys with whom i came to kathmandu and before going to the mountains there. we were sitting in some cafe in the city and well, we spent several days there, because we were waiting for a pass to the mountains. and in the same cafe they drank tea in the evening, and i saw such a picture at sunset, the family, the swallows had already brought out the chicks and the chicks were already the size of an adult, and in the evening they sat in the server on one wire. that's there were four chicks there, and mom and dad. well, how would it be, if you are not an ornithologist, it is not clear who is mom and who is dad, but by behavior it was obvious who the parents are, and who the chicks mom and dad did a very interesting thing, they flew into a bunch of mosquitoes, well, sunset. yes , they caught a mosquito, flew up on the fly, gave birth

to chicks, as the parents do , little krug beat the chick with an uh wire, and this is how they made circular movements. over the course of a few days, i watched it. so they learned to fly. and feed when we arrived, well came the last day. these chicks have already flown by themselves. it took them 4 days to do it. this is me. i showed it to my colleagues. and i said that, in my opinion, this is a higher form of adult motherly love, very beautiful. you look under the kostrigery with you, its leading psychologist tatyana krasnovskaya and psychotherapist sergey for yourself. she is our guest svetlana, who found the courage to sort out her relationship with her son. so svetlana, let's get back to

your personal life. this is my failure, this is my shame and disgrace therefore come on, if i've already talked about it here. such a beautiful , interesting, charming woman, what doesn't she allow? let a little closer men and what danger? i understand that i don't know how it can be, okay. well, probably the problem is that i don't believe it's possible, okay. do not believe that

everything is possible, well, what happens is good, there is a relationship where? yes, i generally agree with mine. i want, i also think that in a relationship it cannot be good, because in a relationship at least. well, they either change either quit or die. in general, no one has a good ending. and, of course , it's probably good when you die before your partner. at least you don't suffer from the fact that he left you, there and so on. well died, but if a man die before a man, there are two bad qualities, they can be perfect, for example, the perfect man. he does not drink, does not smoke, does not exist, and such a statistical man, like me, is somehow any other person. he can, of course, not drink or smoke, there and so on, but if he exists, he has one problem, two two two negative qualities. the first he can always leave, and the second he will definitely die and with

a high degree of probability earlier than you. well , it’s just that the statistics seemed to agree, and therefore it’s impossible for men to rely heavily on them. as if this is a fact, but at the same time, with everything, look, problems in relationships arise when you start building them in relationships, as with andrey that is, when your partner becomes more for you than yourself. when a partner's life or your life partner becomes more than your life apart from everyone else. there, yes, there you become a hostage. it seems to me that 50 years is a good age for being excellent. you certainly, of course, had reasons not to trust, but what if now you are already quite able to protect yourself among yourself

with your partner to regulate as comfortable as you sound, very fine. sounds wonderful. i have a suspicion that another factor influenced this. you see, for example, a tigress, when she rolled over, she then did not lets the male in. i mean, she will fight him, but because she protects the kittens, yes, if i remember correctly, it will last somewhere in the region of 9 months. well, because, well, for a year already, as it were, kittens, plus or minus , can somehow run away there to do something else, they feed themselves, but that’s just about the biological processes that occur during lactation pregnancy. yes , one of which, for example, a teacher at that moment greatly increases the level there, and

cortisol and testosterone, which makes her to be more aggressive than she is in normal life. she always be at this level. she will never give birth and therefore nature regulates this. and in general, if a tigress gives birth, but the cubs are taken away from her, and piglets are put in their place, then the reaction will be exactly the same. it's just that she will protect the pigs, because it is important to her and as long as andrey was next to you. so close, obviously in many ways you protected him from other men , and it is obvious that this could not but affect your relationship with a man. this is true. well, i just assumed. suddenly it's so, and it 's true, well, sort of, but at some point , uh, the tigress must understand that these people are already all gone. so, like, well, a tigress is a little smarter than women. well, in a sense, she understands that these cubs need to be released in order to give birth to the next one. otherwise, it's easy. well, the tigers will end. here, in this context. just look, i'm not going to advise you in this sense

to recommend. you need to urgently run to enter into this relationship. i think that the men who are watching this program now as if seeing, in general, a beautiful, successfully self-sufficient woman, without, uh, problems. well , as a problem, there is understandable. but yes, yes, with a little mania, greatness, and moreover, so caring, yes, so loving there and such all of myself. i think it's lined up now. but this is true in another transmission. hold on svetlana, on the other hand, don't hold on. yes, it's in a different program, as usual. zhenya will ruin it, but here i can say that i'm sure that now people are watching men and sort of saying, well, like fig itself, what woman? yeah and suddenly glory will cover you in such a way that they will start to recognize you on the street? but be vigilant, but at the same time, you will be brave with everything. try this relationship just when there is no andrey in your relationship andrey is nearby.

well, he's not in. well, inside your relationship, they just opened some other dimension in general in understanding this all. we are glad we are glad that you are leaving svetlana i am leaving simply with a different awareness of the vision and for me it is so priceless. i have never looked at it from that point of view. i was as if here i was flying on some rails. i don’t understand, not visions, i really had one goal and task. here, if only andrew was happy. well, then i'll be happy automatically in general. well now you have opened it to me. eyes and i understand that really my son. he grew up so smart self-sufficient independent.

somehow, maybe i need to stop and stop already. maybe he, probably himself already, probably uncomfortable already. you somehow can somehow do something to me, so he is now on another end of the earth. or maybe it has nothing to do with you, but in the end it’s really me that you are unusually brave women , really light, thank you very much for dealing with this so sincerely, and i think andrei should be very grateful to you. hi andrey he is a very grateful son indeed. thank you very much. thank you, thank you. well, it was a podcast triggers, and you were with him, hosts tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist, psychotherapist, psychotherapist of psychology sergey on herself and we

heard the wonderful story of svetlana hello, my name is natalya ryabchikova, i am a film historian. and today we have a podcast called eisenstein 125, it is dedicated to the 125th anniversary of the birth of the wonderful soviet world director and teacher theorist sergei mikhailovich einstein. my name is artyom sopin. hey, i'm a filmmaker. and also i welcome you to the podcast from jenstein 125. we will start the conversation with who einstein is and why do we suddenly celebrate him at all, well, not quite round, yes, then still, yes, why is he so important to us, why is he important to the history of cinema, but for this it is necessary to say, in principle, about the moment when he appeared about where he came from and, in fact, what he did at that moment, when he came to the cinema, eisenstein was born at the very end of the 19th century,

when cinema was just beginning, he was one of those who saw films for the first time in childhood, but meliès. for example, and for him it was the discovery not only of the films themselves, but also of some new entertainment , not yet quite art, of course, from einstein in his childhood he was not going to become a cinematographer. yes, there was no such profession in his head, ah, but he was born into a rather prosperous family in the city of riga. his father was the chief architect and there were always many books about art around, and he loved uh from childhood, to get into some folios of his father to look at, and there is an image. in principle, he was terribly fond of reading a person who, from childhood, just learned foreign languages. learned english french german and had to follow. follow your father in his path and become, uh, an engineer-architect. in childhood. at the same time

, there were various such strange addictions. he loved books from the history of the french revolution, he was interested in some cruel and sometimes grotesque situations in the past, but er, in general, he himself was not cruel by nature. in general. he, on the contrary, many people remember that in adulthood he was even a rather sentimental person at times, and, uh, the same from the field of fur coats, his girlfriend would change such to a documentary maker, saying that u met such subtly, sensitive people as sergei mikhailovich was in fact the heyday of all kinds of new trends in painting in architecture, and in literature in poetry, and einstein was in this and loved to draw from childhood, but he did not see himself in this, as in some kind of real continuation of his career, for example, if there had not been a revolution in the seventeenth year, and she got out of eisenstein as a student, and he said that the revolution made me

an artist. first of all, he joined the avant-garde theater, the theater that overlooked the square, which was vno momentary some news from the world of europe america into the inside of the work of the theater, which absolutely blurred the stage then the theater was something like current blog. in a way, this is an interesting thought. yes, and that means they went to study, and after he left his institute and fought a little during the civil war. he went to study with vsevolod meyerhold, a remarkable director and innovator, and who opposed himself to the art of konstantin stanislavsky a and a student. wherein. in general. here, such a continuity of negation initially continued this continuity. and when he decided at some point to leave the merlind, and from einstein breaks the theater. first he wants to contribute to stage, but the boxing ring, then he brings e

to the stage of circus performances and his own performance, which turns out to be qi. ostrovsky for every sage, quite simplicity in the twenty-third year leads him to the cinema. he cannot but try to include in his performance, also a movie braid. and this is called glumov's diary in the text. for ostrovsky, this is a certain subject that plays a role in the development of the plot. so i decided to take it off. here is a really absolute vlog and uh, he used his love for modern french adventurous adventure series for american adventure films and forced its actors. uh, the father in the fantomas, for example, some actor was grigory alexandrov , who will become his permanent assistant. and once he will become a famous film director , he believed that the unit of theatrical action, and

then any action on the screen. and this attraction is what affects the viewer. this is something that, in fact, may not be related to the plot, as such, but it evokes some kind of feeling, some kind of emotion. even some physiological effect produces an attraction for eisenstein - this is both, the dialect of the actor and the firecracker, which he places under the viewer's chair, but in fact, later he concretized what he had in mind much more widely. and in general, everything that is an asset, that is, everything that can affect the viewer, that is, in fact, any artistic medium is, to one degree or another, an attraction, and the installation of attractions is all about the placement of artistic means, it turns out in this way. generally. this is a catchy wording that is absolutely in style twenties to thirties. he realized that this is, in general, in fact, the desire to reveal, in general, such absolutely universal laws of art. actually installation. this term appears already in

the twenty-third year, the montage of attractions will remanufacture foreign films, and the lion, kuleshov whom eisenstein called his teacher in but he is engaged in clarifying the laws of montage. how do we get information from a comparison of two frames, and according to kuleshov, according to his experiments, which later called the effect kuleshova, this meaning, as it were, is superimposed, like bricks one on top of the other einstein, even before he became world famous, said that his montage is not a connection of meaning, this clash of meaning is a conflict, for example, in a film a strike, it affects the viewer with shots that a conflict with each other even in the sense that some of them are artistic, and some are documentary. he needed to show it somehow on the screen. what is demolition? what is

demonstration suppression? he needed hurt, did he have that word in his head? how to show a slaughterhouse with montage? it is necessary to break down these very influencing elements to show that the workers are being dispersed by the tsarist police and show a real real physical massacre, that is, to show the bull being slaughtered, and now we see the poster of just this film, this is the first film from eisenstein and, in fact , eisenstein's reflection on historical events began at the same time with it. it's interesting that when we start talking about montage. some other things are immediately connected, if you work with short pieces, for example , if you come across them what is inside these pieces or who is inside these pieces, the kina avangard soviet interested him. not just art, as such, he was interested in constructing art and life through this, but the connection of pieces. and if a is a person in our frame, then we

must immediately understand who this person is , the type theory appears. it shows undertones never. to show the mass, we see a short separate frame, that is, not quite static, but in some separate frame we see e the hero and we may no longer see him, but we understood what kind of person he is, what kind of biography he has in his appearance, because how he holds himself, because how he is dressed, that is , depending on how he shows himself, how he sees, for example, a teacher. yes, yes, we immediately understand what kind of person this allowed the zashlin to use actors not actors. and you even bring patents to your own mother. he did not like to remember that his mother also participated there, but he also used editing for other purposes. he was interested in expanding time and space are such analytical constructions that are akin, perhaps, but i don’t know, to murders, and

its most famous, probably, is a piece from blyostopolyomkin. odessa stairs. it's built the way he talks, but it's totally unrealistic. yes, if, as he said as a student, if it were as long as i showed it, here in the action that is happening to me. it would stretch from odessa to romania to where the rebellious battleship actually goes. and we have some pictures here, including the russian federation for the wonderful provided these shots. and it is very important that this is, in general, a construction, it is made from einstein not in order to distort events, not in order to create something from reality, uh, obviously not existing, but on the contrary, in order to figuratively most clearly show what really happened on the odessa stairs, for example, we see, and how, uh, the protesters are running up the stairs. we see their faces. we see

people's faces, and from the other side. we see only the boots of these very cossacks who are marching down. here, uh, without hesitation, doing this cruel one. uh, the kill order and , uh, the famous story about how eisenstein. eh, after many, many years they told about how e was shown in america in some small cinema. uh, the battleship potemkin, and uh, he was surprised to learn that there was only one spectator. once taken out. just in hysterics almost hall. this man sobbed. uh, and uh, couldn't stop. and then. uh, hmm , the owner of this little movie theater asked. but what happened? why are you so your loved ones suffered there painfully, perhaps you yourself were on that very staircase, to which the weeping man replied that no. he was one of those cossacks who

walked and shot at unarmed people, and uh, in general, just when he saw this film, he saw people's faces up close, although they were already there. pages, of course, the film was shot 20 years later, only then did he realize his guilt, only then did he realize that the order that he was carrying out was terrible, when the film, for example, was shown in europe, they said, here they said we have actors from the moscow art theater participating yes, but let’s say, and we know that the ship’s doctor was played by a local gardener, whom they didn’t see in him such a squint, they need such a squint for this role, on the other hand, he plays one of the most brutal officers, that’s nothing less than a regular actor, and from stein’s theater of paralitcult grigory alexandrov is the future master , and there’s no moss in the film merchants are not there. we have gone dark. we need to say. exactly how he formed, and we talked about

eisenstein's first film, he was about, but the events before the revolution. it was so new and interesting that he was commissioned to make a large state order to make a film for the twentieth anniversary of the first russian revolution in 905. and an idea. actually it consists in showing on such a large-scale film what has been happening since 2005 in the russian empire. we can say that in general it was e that time. uh, when there were no such orders that could not be refused, that is, uh, and in general, soviet power was still not so straightforward, there was still no stalinist hegemony, the so-called yes cult of personality, and therefore, in general, then these tasks were for him. rather, just really curious, he therefore took with but today we look from potemkin itself.

and why is it important to see him, why is he interesting, why is einstein interesting besides his civic position, in addition to his position as a theoretician and a brunette teacher - it seems to me such a maximum movie movie at the maximum, and from einstein to this the moment he thinks about how to involve the viewer entirely in emotions, and the physiology of the feeling the mind and its viewer is a person who, perhaps, is not even going to watch his film, but he sits down and allows himself, and these are imbued and he is created from einstein in fact, so i mean , despite the fact that he is often called such a director a dictator, and he spoke not a movie voice, we need a movie fist. what he wants to say is born in the head of the viewer; his films are a textbook for reflection and, in general, never. not unfortunately, those calls for mercy, those calls for

solidarity that are contained in this film, will cease to be relevant, and this is absolutely non-violent, it really is. this is the desire to reflect on how historical springs unfold, and uh, at the same time it is done in such a very expressive concentrated form, because really that is from the huge idea of ​​​​the film of the revolution of the fifth year. uh, brings darkness focused on one episode, thus he became exactly like this a polished diamond, and therefore, many years later, the film, e, does not cease to excite and be interesting for you and me were a film critic. artyom historians. natalya ryabchikova podcast from einstein 125. goodbye. all the best. attention speaks and shows, st. petersburg. every year on the last

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