filmed, uh, a movie, uh, he the most hated person for him was a sound engineer with this fishing rod and he, but he didn’t listen to sound at all, he only always looked at the picture. that means video control, we said the text. so he drove all the time so that nothing would interfere with these microphones and so he made a movie. and when the dubbing began, he didn’t look at the screen in that studio, he lay on the sofa with the walls turned and listened only to what, well, in any case, we had it as i pronounce it, and he didn’t drain it in any way, as it happens in the movies and should get on the lips. you must get into a gesture of some kind and he came up with what it is. uh, how he would like to fit in with the screen. this is impossible. sometimes there's some, uh, i've already laid everything. all. he says, lenochka, i beg you, i'll try to blow my nose at this time. you understand this physically, don't you? well, it doesn't work. well, i love you very much, he asked me like a child and you will laugh. sometimes it turned out

impossible, and now he consisted of two, and he first took a picture, then he made sound, then it was all combined. and if you look at uh, here is the chronology that is now published the creation of the film, then the rough cut was finished in the thirteenth, it seems. but several years passed and only then did the premier take place after the death of herman in the thirteenth year. we have already shown the picture. uh, at the rome film festival alekseevich died earlier and finished the picture. naturally, mostly. eh, sveta feeds. uh, widow some assistance. naturally. uh, the world called little lyosha, as i said, he also helped his mother, then after a while lyosha had little lyosha there was a feeling that he also did in this apartment. here we had a little conflict with him, but this has already been done. e. well, i can honestly tell you that well, 90-95%

of what was done was done back in germany. they just worked in a different rhythm . not because they are so slow, but because they are so thorough. and how then the film was accepted at the rome festival, what was the reaction of the people ? remarkable, they watched it wonderfully when we took the picture to paris, uh, this picture i repeat again, it is difficult to perceive. she probably like this. well, i don't want to run. eh, it didn't go away. and a lot of people left somehow, as it was with the film khrustalev, there is no car in cannes. no, uh, at those shows where i was not leaving, some kind of spectator would come who understood that he was going to watch and whom, and of course, the rolling fate of the picture. eh, no matter how, but the picture came in. so who else will remind me, only a participant in the events. uh, the picture has entered the chair of the world's best films

since. lurov, so it may be my grandchildren will remember that grandfather i was filming, but the picture is absolutely its own destiny, but i'm happy that i have this job , i drank it, i'll tell you now. well, i'm a good team and in this team nikulin mironov bykov and how did herman himself relate in general to his directorial fate? well, uh, he often said in an interview that for him the failure of khrustalyov at cannes was an absolute surprise, but he was a man who, as it were, was prepared by his soviet career growth, let's say, yes, one film closed the second was closed. here he is vyezhivatsya there for some years, and he is ready, in in principle and for a long time to shoot, but, looking back, let’s say, at the time of filming a long moment, and sounding as long for a career as he felt, i don’t know, an unrecognized director, a director divided by a director, is really not for everyone or

, like tarkovsky, he believed that his audience was a mass audience. how would he relate it to the reaction of people to e, there were no already completed complexes. we have already touched on what excites his audience. no. no, he actually made a movie that those people who understand, who taste, which is trusted and, uh, and who will join this one. eh, it was all the same to him, he filmed. we have already talked about this, slow carefully, because he and and he has existed all his life in conflict, with anyone you want. now, if it's quite so bold to say, he could be in conflict with the tapes of the film. he could be in conflict with the committee. he could be in conflict with the kremlin. that's what made him a german. this energized him. but there is a second

person in my life. i, as it were, too, when i worked at the taganka theater after the shchukin schools. that's the same was yuri petrovich lyubimov as soon as nothing was allowed to interfere. so, then he was the most powerful most of these people. this this is something from the scoop this is something from this the more it forbids, the more talented people resist and invent. i remind you that this is a podcast with hung from eisenstein and the history of cinema stanislav dezinsky and my colleague, natalya ryabchikova, today we are talking with leonid yarmolnik, our guest. thank you very much. now, if you now look at it is difficult to be with god and what is it? it's social criticism is hmm radical artistic expressions. how do we feel about the film today? yes, how to interpret it? how would, how, in general, maybe a grandson, you will explain or explain now what this

movie is about, because in a few years you can be satisfied with such a spectacle full of everyday details, and sometimes very pleasant. but how it is, that is, it ’s like you really need to pass through yourself better, of course, in the cinema they are on a small screen, because a lot will be lost, but here after all, well, if there are such teachers for grandchildren. whoever decides that the whole class there or the whole course needs to be shown this picture, then i will be happy, because you are really right, you need to watch a movie in the cinema hall, to be near, because when you look in the hall next to you, you are insured against the fact that you will not understand or feel something, because there is a breath of the hall. and if you are distracted or do not understand something, then those sitting nearby and in general the breath of the hall helps you. eh, how to understand everything, and feel everything. and i

think what to watch it's hard to be a god actually, that's it, if in three words, i hope no one sucks this nonsense, huh? this movie should be watched, you need to feel and understand and draw conclusions in order not to step on the same rake. and quite simply because they talked about the fact that this is generally the history of mankind and different people. someone is vying for power. someone money gold and so on and so forth. some people die for love. someone wants to save peoples and civilizations. and of course they can do it and cope with it only very very very talented people. and, of course, uh, one should strive to be such people. uh

so this is basically, well, this is the old truth. yes, the story develops in a spiral in a spiral and, uh, and there are always a lot of similarities, but i would really not want this spiral. this was the ring. it looks like this in 23:40-50 years. and people have very bad memories. now i'm talking more like a story about events that either move humanity forward or vice versa, uh , tend to destroy humanity is a relatively almost modern topic, so today i think that this is what we are talking about now in connection with the picture of herman, this is even more important and topical unlucky, because i didn’t spend most of my life with alekseevich german, but i got. e. well, first of all, uh, over the years i've been filming for 14 years,

but over the years i understood. i could never even imagine that herman would be interested in me someday, but over the years. i realized that he was always filming. in their most wonderful pictures, they have always been artists. how about comedians. this is rolan bykov, this is vladimir nikolin. this is andrey mironov, and when it came to me, it still didn’t connect, then he, uh, and shutov makes tragedians and does. eh, because probably. artists with such charisma, causing, uh, the sympathy of the audience, when these people break down in the frame, when they are completely different unusual for him, but if i may say so, he was interested in it all his life, and he was his main principle, the second principle was that, and he

repeated me many times not because i did not obey. he says forget everything. what have you been taught. he hated when the artist plays the artist must live in the frame, that is, the reaction, yours should be. e, in this case, i play the fragrance and still had to react like leni armolnik, while we had discrepancies in terms of male attitudes to those events that sometimes, when we were already drinking beer. he said, in general, he says, you play a neuromat. you play me when i'm young. here is an autobiography for some time he let slip. so dear to him. this work so many years. uh i nurtured it, and i'm sure you, as specialists, know that it began in the year 1968 and beyond the events. it was closed, then in the eighties. here it is at some point. uh, when i asked him. and that's why i why? well, no matter how surprising,

he says, well, i saw you on tv. you gave someone vodka, and i literally liked it. that's all the time scoffed that i was such an artist. well, on purpose, he is generally such an irritant provocateur. and as soon as you start to get angry or something to prove it this interests me the most, because at this moment you need to be able to watch a real movie. this is the same education of the taste of culture, like many other things, if a person was taught to read books, parents made it even more difficult today, but everything in the computer in these iphones, this is not immersion. it’s generally choo-choo-choo-choo you need to force children to read books, you need to show them a good movie. if you can say today, then more russian cinema of soviet cinema. and i'm not opposed to showing the classics of american cinema, but first of all, what

has grown here on this earth. well, we actually talk about this in the framework of our podcast in every episode. yes, i remind you that it was a podcast of einstein's witnesses and i and the future, stanislavsky, my colleague, natalya ryabchikova and we, tell us about russian cinema and why, in general , it is worth watching it today and how you get pleasure from it, if yarmolnik was a guest thank you very much for coming and telling a lot of interesting things. all the best, goodbye. batnikova director writer, today my guest is oleg demidov, poet, critic, literary critic and ekaterina dvigubskaya director

writer, we will discuss maringov and his roman price tags. maringov is the second leader among the circle of imaginist poets, the most famous of them is sergei yesenin, but nevertheless maringov is also quite famous, and he begins to try himself as a prose writer after the success of the poetic. uh, roman of the cynic comes out, but it comes out in the german publishing house petropolis, uh, in 1928. and it calls some scandal. after that, the novel is banned by soviet russia and comes out again, only in the eighty-eighth year. oleg please tell me why it happened . it is necessary to enter into such a historical and cultural context and understand what kind of time it is, right? and this, firstly. secondly, it is necessary to understand the biography of this oring speech, because he

consisted of everything as a poet and was one of the leading poets, not only of the moscow order, he is not worth it. yes, it's a tenth mark. so the beginning of the twenties, we are generally throughout literary russia, yes. and after the death of yesenin, he switched to a pause, because he realized that he could write so experimentally in an avant-garde in an engineer way, as he wrote, but he could no longer. yes, and no one will print it, yes, but, because they have already begun to slowly tighten the screws, they have begun to standardize literature. uh, they were looking for new soviet art. eh, let's just say, yes, and he tried the transport after the death of yesenin , wrote small memoirs and is called memories of sergei yesenin. yes, and they were very close all the series, of course, the best

friends rented one apartment, and traveled a lot together and published books, they did their own business, and the cafe cost pegasus well, and so on, yes, and he looked at these memories, they diverged well, and the most benevolent ratings were from critics from colleagues and he decided to rewrite these memories into a novel, which is called novel without lies, many are sure that this is again memoirs yes, but this is not entirely true, but there is such a concept of non-fiction new, wall yes, that is novel without fiction roman without lies, again, and so translated it was opened. uh, european slavs american slavs in the second half of the 20th century. in the twenties, he already created all this, and after the success of the fragrance, without lying. again, he is engaged in exceptional and in the twenty-eighth year, when he moved from moscow to voronezh for the summer, he had a wife. anna borisovna nitritina. she was called. that's it there a little bit to play in the drama theater, and he has collected already. well, the body of another son and

went to voronezh and there, in a matter of months, wrote a cynic. yes, why is that happened? that they began to ban him. yes , the twenty-eighth year, in general, e is not very calm, and in the twenty-eighth year , mikhail sholokhov begins to write his great novels with a quiet don. yes, and mikhail bulgakov with the foreman margarita, and here are the marings with price tags, and the tightening of the screws begins slowly, and the first five-year plan begins, large-scale construction projects begin, industrialization, yes, the standardization of everything and everything. so hmm just totally unlucky. and in general, he was not very lucky in life, and the death of his mother and the death of his father and the death of a best friend. uh, here, then they ban the novel and they ban it for a completely, but for an idiotic reason, the book was published not in russia but in

germany, while petropolis ferlag is such an amazing publishing house, where absolutely soviet ones were also published. come, besides zauchenko, yes, and some fellow travelers , some anti-soviet white migrants. yes, that is, they took everyone, if only there was good literature roman cynics - this is a novel and free love and free relationships , actions take place against the background of the revolution in moscow, so to speak, dashing years, complete chaos, the era of change and cynicism is just the main character, vladimir and olga, the most important thing in this novel is, in my opinion, a figurative series, then how is the novel written not about what? and as it is clear that the scenery. uh, it's a revolution, scary times. and how this cannibalism is written all the time about the fact that people eat it, well, practically this rhythmic one, like music all the time, it knocks down the rhythm of the novel, these

inserts, but it is generally very interestingly written. it's not even roman, but such. such a great poetic poem written brilliantly. here you sit and read it. i sat with a pencil and left ticks all the time, because. well, these are such unexpected phrases that are not similar to anything. um images. it's all so twisted and twisted. and that you just sit and don’t understand how a person could come up with this in his head, so make up the words unique optics, but this is, uh, the techniques of women, it’s right to create an image out of unexpected things. well, for example, it is more difficult for me to read his poems. e is read. in general, well, in one breath, with that he is very poetic. he is figurative , of course. well reading. well, in general, a serious read, but it is read easily and with interest, and

for me this is the main character. she is wild, charming despite the fact that she is steamy. e, in general, this is anti feminine. again, the image that very often was in russian, as it seems to me, literature begins nastasya filippovna. i don't know anna karenina, such a fan-fatal woman who destroys herself in this whirlwind, such a sexy female smart. uh, dangerous whirlwinds swirl around standing men and all. it's a whirlpool around a woman and it seems to me that it is necessary to say why this whirlpool arises. eh, plot. in general, vladimir is olga's husband, and olga begins to meet with his brother sergei , the people's commissar. uh, then she starts an affair with dokuchaev. we can probably designate him as a merchant. he is such a nep man, a merchant, in general, a person who makes good money in the war and does some kind of fraud. and now olga can be said

to capture almost every man whom she meets e and somehow. in general , vladimir perceives the whole story. he, uh, patiently endures everything, he adores olga, and probably this is some kind of unusual family relationship, and maybe the novel is easy to read precisely because it still exists, uh, some kind of plot ratio, and we are following. what will happen to them, how such relations develop, what will happen to olga well, of course, always modern in fact, if you turn to contemporary art , sex violence sells well, and then there is sex violence. but speaking, it's very simple and banal, but, but it seems to me, she's very difficult, she's also difficult for herself. she is interesting and smart. this is olga , so maybe she is attractive to men. yeah well, you know, no one likes good girls

by and large, everyone loves a woman with a mallet, it's only a woman with a mallet. you never know what to expect from her and at what second she will either fall in love with you or trouble will shoot at you for herself, that she, uh, herself does not know what to expect from herself the whole novel pigs about how olga is trying, but to realize herself in the post-revolutionary world in these terrible events, a is trying to understand. uh, what kind of man she wants to be trying to understand. and what should she do in life, but she is trying to find some kind of fate. yes , of course, there are wonderful habits, when the matter is already coming to an end, and vladimir says, and olga , well, do something, yes, maybe you want to act in films? and she, she says, does not want to go to the cinema. here are better pictures, but it is not very interesting, the parents of the child. she says no don't want. puppies i had a premium puppy. yes, and they are cute. yes, a few

months, until they start to shit. yes , well, everything is in this pose. this is also a provocation. no, this does not mean that maybe she would have wanted something. it seems to me that she provokes both herself and around those people who come across this all the time a provocation, when a person is restless by himself. and it seems to me that the main problem that is itself is restless. is it possible to imagine her somewhere, but at a serious job, and her in the family circle, so that he has children. she didn’t last long , and that’s the problem, when no one would hold on for a long time, she said, her head flew like soccer balls. oleg tell me, please, is this an autobiographical novel or can it be written off from life, that is, where maringov took the material, the texture was generally large , yes, if you look at the literary world, uh, of that time, then, in my opinion,

lilia yuryevna brik is easily guessed as olga yes , who knew all literary moscow and not only moscow all literary russia yes the girl who drove vladimir mayakovsky crazy and not only yes, but this is the story in the price tags, when e olga cheats on vladimir yes for the first time, she comes home late at night. i can have changed what vladimir ivanovna says, yes, there was exactly the same episode in life, and lilia and osipov had it at the very beginning of their relationship. if we talk about some texture, there is an excellent critic, culturologist aleksey yuryevich labradov. yes, and when we did the collected works of the ringof in the thirteenth year, and he wrote a provocative article for this collected work. where does it mean says that vladimir and olga are their relationship. this is a kind of application of the maringoff himself and sergey yesenin uh-huh no, well, marings,

after all, we have a normative person. he is happily married all his life to one woman. and in general, this is still, probably, a very bold assumption, you know very, very well that i am, in general, a banal thought , but if you imagine those times of god canceled all the foundations of society, everything that has been knocked out , imagine that they have developed people in general, what was going on in their souls and in their heads, when you don’t understand at all what there is no god to rely on. there seems to be no sex either, it causes some licentiousness. well, here are some experiments all the time, plus more experiments are going on in art and it’s very avant-garde towards art, so what was going on with them there. it seems to me that they were cooked in some kind of boiling cauldron. if we talk about the factor then, but let's remember the financial yes , and olga calls vladimir says, i shoot myself

and vladimir rushes at all times, and he tries, but to save her. yes, of course, nothing works very slowly, some images of this lie, yes, where expressive and if we take life again, well, the texture, then exactly the same episode was in the life of this immonist close friend, vadim gabriellovich shershenevich, and he was in love with the actress yulia on duty. yes, i met her for a long time, they had a very difficult relationship. so e, she did exactly the same as olga, but we can say that maringov uses real texture, and he also uses newspaper clippings, if we go to the library, look at the newspapers of those years, then we will see exactly the same that they die, or even worse, that is, when i was working on the biography of marings, uh, i looked at these newspapers and found exactly the same. that is , he simply took and rewrote all this, he

did not invent anything, and this played a role. um, why was the novel banned maybe soviet russia, the formation of this bolshevik power was presented negatively in this novel. and it played to show that it was negative, but he described the rings there, and what really happened, yes , his hero behaves, but it’s cynically strange, yes, but did not keep pace with the soviet government. this is absolutely a novel. well, what did the sailors do. and as a smartest person, and there were two. in them , he says that his heroes, but can trust anything and he is not obliged to share, their feelings, their positions, their lives. but katya, as a director, probably understands that it is impossible to create a character that is convincing and alive. we believe in this olga. we believe in this situation is impossible. if you yourself have not passed, a similar experience. well, here i don’t

quite agree with you, because playing a killer does not have to become a killer. could it be like this experience and it is not necessary to have such experience, and in general, he could understand what he was taking, for sure, oleg himself was talking about this, material reflecting some kind of life situation, the same hmm merged bricks with mayakovsky, but at the same time, it could already be creative somehow reworked due to the fact that he is a very talented person. he creates wildly interesting images. in general, i can’t say that olga is not infinitely cute there, so that i’m with her there. if i met a woman like that, i would start making friends, most likely, it would be interesting with her inner movie, really. well, it would be interesting for me to talk to her for sure, because you are some kind of curious person with a strange biography with strange views , clearly refined very curious , these wonderful images of candy that drunk

cherry. yes, and this is all such a pleasant provocation, and she says, yes, already shoot yourself, that it would be worth living for these sweets. yes , and she found a cherry, yes, she found pleasure, and they are already dying right already freezing . i don’t know, it seems to me that, well, what actually hmm i know that mollengov was uh, quite a family man. but it’s traditional in life, but the traditional views of a person are correct, and there was some experience, before anna borisovna yes, in such a year of life they understand that his reception. well, so to speak , personal life. this podcast is a must read. i am aglanabatnikova director and writer. today i am visiting, my colleague, also directors, writer ekaterina dvigubskaya

and oleg demidov, critic, poet, literary critic and specialist in anatoly maringovf. why is roman called the cynics? why vladimir olga cynics. what else to call them? so what cynical? well, here's an explanation. yes, the very way of life itself, uh, the approach is such an anti-family. anti- religious. yes, i understand that for that time, e, in view of an open relationship absolutely yes, i understand that for that time, a after e kolontaevsky e, a glass of water. yes, roughly speaking, there should be complete sexual emancipation. if a person has a need for sexual intercourse. well, you can’t refuse him this, and having sex is also easy. how do you see a glass of water, what is it? and people lived in it. it just seems this way to you, that cynicism is, uh, an assessment. this way of life is precisely the family system of correctly free relationships multi-level

roman and they are cynics also because they enjoy life in such a difficult time, yes, vladimir in his own way. eh, like a refined aesthete, how a person forms history, yes, ancient, in my opinion, yes, the whole course of history, and he does not perceive. and what are the bolsheviks doing in terms of politics. yes, he is disabled. yes, they don’t accept, her other sergey occupies a high place. there are hierarchies that olga actually rebuilds. yes mine mistress. katya, please tell me, uh, it seems to you that such a family system is valuable. listen to me, i generally like the word price tags, it is sonorous, you know, it is roman much more terrible than this word, to which roman is actually named, that the price tags are, well, like a glass of champagne that you drink there, i don’t know dancing in the evening hmm

somewhere i don’t know somewhere on the table conditionally, but roman is terrible and deep about broken people. e cynics. it seems to me that there is also some right in this word in the way roman is called. acacia, because well the price tags. well, it's quite a funny word. and the novel is not at all cheerful, if you take the scenery. and in general, what happens to the heroes, but he is written cheerfully, that is, in this, there may be cynicism that they relate to the situation in which they all got so much fun, this is such a dead man’s move, and they laugh sincerely, they revel in life, but this is the worst thing when people understand that they are dancing. but, well, for this thin-skinned man stands with a pistol on the titanic conditionally i mean, this is very scary. you are interested in such a heroine, that's not lived in your book.

the heroine’s childhood, perhaps, is somewhat similar to olga, my heroine is just as provocative, but it’s clear that, well, writing about very good and right people is boring, but you always want to find it in a person. well, a kind of wormhole to understand why it is more interesting to watch such a person. well, in principle, even we in life we are curious about interesting people, and interesting people are rarely very correct against the current i will add about how this novel is written. yes, and what are we zhenism? yes? yes, i see you, and you pronounce it, but you pronounce it in your own way, right? like women yes yes ah hmm why are we interested in romance because a scary time is absolutely scary? yes, but there are some sparkles of life, these sparkles are carved for us by vladimire olga what is

maring imagism - this is a combination of pure and impure, yes, that is, some kind of natural , some kind of blood, this is cannibalism. that is, i feel that there is a lot of unpleasant naturalism in this novel, the description of porcelain, which is described in such a way that it seems to you that you go one cup at a time to yours there all the time. here is this dirt dirt dirt and these old surviving objects. eh, wonderful silk there. and it's all so crystal, beautiful clothes, in my opinion ford has beautiful clothes on ugly people that cause laughter, some kind of lace there are beautiful clothes on beautiful people that cause surprise. it's all wildly curious, and the image must be built. here, just on this opposition of the two principles, yes, if we we will describe poverty, hunger, e cannibalism,

yes, throughout the text. well, it will be chernukha. that is, it gives depth to the novel. this is naturalism, the same scribbled in detail and opposition to beautiful things and manifestations of refinement. yes, you know, about whom catherine spoke, he reminded anyone. i suddenly now have such a wonderful writer celine that reminded me of the marings of the universe, and not completely different, but this is an incredible imagery of the language, when you fly at you like a flurry, that you don’t do you understand what it is? oleg, tell me, please, what is the place of marings. e, took. let's just say in a general literary context due to the fact that the novel was banned. yes, and left, there only in the late eighties. it seems to me, marings for many. he went unnoticed, he is not as popular as yesenin and we don’t know much about him, therefore it’s just interesting to understand what place he occupied in the literary system, given that he lived all his life in russia about all

his life he lived in russia he was in the mid-twenties i managed to ride around europe, i was in berlin, i was in paris, i went there, i looked, is it worth it to get out of russia, if you get out, then where, and what experience does his comrade friends who have already emigrated, like the same alexander borisovich kuysikov. about the rest yes, and he realized that a without russia could not. yes, and in europe there is nothing to do, that he will go there? how will you have to work, because for prose for poetry there is as serious as they won’t pay in soviet russia, that is, the immigration option is very limited, of course, about its place in literature. that, damn it, the gov is trying to look for himself. after i spend it on him forbid, he understands what to write, but some kind of sos-realistic prosaic text is