[000:00:00;00] in russia, he lived in russia all his life, in the mid-twenties he managed to ride around europe, he was in berlin, he was in paris, he went looking, is it worth getting out of russia, if getting out, then where, and what experience does his comrade friends who have already emigrated, such as the same alexander borisovich kuzkov. about the rest yes, and he realized that without russia he could not. yes, and in europe there is nothing to do, what, that he will go there? how will you have to work, because e for prose for poetry. there , as seriously as in soviet russia, it is not possible to pay there will be, that is, variants of grace, it would be a very strong limitation, of course, about its place in literature, thin people are trying to find themselves. after i see him forbid, he understands that a write uh, some kind of

prosaic social realistic text. this is not not about him. that would be great. it seems to me, but he tried, yes, well, maybe slowly. uh, in the fifties i switched to memoirs and my age , my youth, my friends and girlfriends into the notes of a forty-year-old man. and hmm, these are your descendants, yes, and this is the golden fund of our memoirs. yes, and actually in the thirties, he moved to leningrad yes, and there he got acquainted with all the wonderful writers, such as zauchenko schwartz mikhail kazakov a. boris mikhailovich ekhin writervet danianov and so on. this is such a leningrad bohemia soviet bohemia all the thirties, he writes plays. yes, and the plays here, just the same, but rather realistic, yes, but what was the fate of these plays, they were? some were successful, but most were filmed. after

the two hundredth performance before the general rehearsal performances. no, solid. not enough by soviet standards dissatisfied. by the way they have it everything is going well, although from my point of view of the marings, lucky because he was not repressed. he earned literary income, which is actually quite a lot, when he moved from kirochnaya to borodino, and hmm in st. petersburg and the next tenants who moved in, uh, in the apartment, yes, left memories later that they call in there, and the entrance door has some kind of insane number of locks, so that 10 chains are some fat. well it's thirties years, this is the stalinist terror, yes, and the gongs are serious. he feared for his life and

he was not the only one, in my opinion, he mentioned mandelstam's poems in his plays. yes, somehow they are there, uh, so to speak, he wrote absolutely socialist realist plays, but with such a double triple bottom, and he could give his texts to the heroes so that they read. uh, walking around the crimea mandelstam's poems yes, at that time already absolutely forbidden exiled to vladivostok, who died there yes, and the intelligentsia, who understood who mondelstam was, read his poems, and she sitting in hall, and was clearly surprised at how boringov did all this cunningly. ekaterina a. i want to return to the conversation about the heroine, olga . could she have gone according to some other scenario. well, yeah, what could happen to such a heroine, or uh, that's just how it could have ended, listen, but this is such an image of a destroyer, and she destroys

what we have already said, like other people's lives. well , it is logical that she should destroy herself, that is, it is very difficult to imagine that this woman will suddenly start making borscht or go uh, to serve some kind of soviet service. uh, she serves in the soviet government. yes, we have a secret. she has her own secretary. she serves herself. quite to ourselves, as we understand from some book, well, a high post is not able to do anything. at the same time, i don’t know how to do anything and i think that in general, we don’t do anything. and without even pretending that she is doing something and not trying, she is not trying. well understand that she had to end up like this. how she finished and it seems to me her death with these sweets, which give me so much peace paradoxically. yes, because she is funny. she somehow tastes it on one side, like she tastes candy. and at the same time, she is dying in earnest and for sure, she is still in incredible agony,

because she is undergoing an operation and it says that she is not given e anesthesia. that is, you imagine this operation on the spine, how painful it is, and she keeps her own. actually. here is the pose to the end. she plays with death. by the way, there is such a trick there, or something, there the hero comes running, eh yes, he hurries to her to save her, and he comes running. and it says that she missed. and we're here to read or exhale that okay, she missed, she won't die. yes, it still dies. well, even when she calls, you think it's a joke, right? it's a joke, but it turns out it's not. why is this heroine pretty here she takes money, for example, she will collect 15,000 dollars per night. yes from this merchant philip, she took it, you think she threw them, uh, into the fire, that is. it fascinates me, it seems, any any person of such

character. this is not a woman, but just some kind of this very tornado, but she does not selfish. it's the style, it's the gesture , and they come to the charity lottery and i buy it for her. uh, actually dokuchaev sat lottery lizochki. then i rubbed the vases when i approached them. there is e at this fair, yes with these vases, and an absolutely amazing episode when this woman is full of hips this woman is a telephone, what does she do with a telephone number? yes, but dokuchaev does not understand , he does not understand at all what he is doing, but he explains, yes, remember such and such a number , such and such dokuchaev, please hear me. this lady has the same phone number. she scoffs at him develops and also imagine what faith in your feminine power. it's amazing, i think

it's real. well, she's even a dominatrix, that is, she humiliates men so easily. naturally, men are completely subjugated and obey this. in general, olga doesn’t even care about the rules that olga dictates to her, that vladimir got himself a mistress, a pear, a crown, got into it in every possible way, first you need to find caviar for this, as it says two two hearts. what legs? yes, but it seems to me that he is going to this marfush. uh, like catherine correctly noticed, because olga told him, go to this morphush, as you can not appreciate. here are her most beautiful full legs, and he, uh, actually does it. just like a puppet, no. yes, and get married. she is wonderfully marrying him this year. they will heat me up. it's good that you offered me to marry something like, well, what, they will sleep together, then she says. well, no, you hu cold, but nothing cold, like hunger also

play a very important role in cynics. yes, yes, yes and in general in the life of the brings. they had such an episode with yesenin. they conceived the idea of ​​writing large dramatic poems especially for all the gadfly and merhold swords. yes, yesenin wrote pugachev and the barings wrote a plot of fights. yes, but as they wrote, all this, and they had a room , there was a bathroom, yes, and in the room. so they didn’t try to heat anything, it didn’t work out , it was very cold, then they moved the desk to the bathroom, and locked themselves there, when they had already written it all had to be transferred to printed texts. yes and a, they asked for the driver's it is known that she would come and retype all this, and then they realized. well, there’s a lady, yes, she’s also like that in her body, it’s cold, don’t think anything bad, yes, and you will warm her up, she will

go to bed for 15-20 minutes and warm this bed with her body so that, uh, they then go to bed not in cold underwear. but this girl was already warmed up and walked and printed , lay, warmed their bed and left, and so for several days, and then she disappeared and yesenin was looking for bringov for a long time in moscow. well, what is it? yes, they communicated normally, they worked normally the money was paid regularly, and after a couple of months they find her and ask. and why are they saying? well, i thought you were poets, and you are monks, but they did not offend attention. you asked for rights. and the life of gongs. proton as far as he coincides with his heroes. is this a cynical approach or not. no, he seems like a very kind person. he is very attentive to the hero and for being so attentive and so. well, let's say so in detail and convincingly show their feelings.

he still has to be, well, the merciful need to see e man in another. yes and he does not condemn them at all. that is, it gives freedom to people to be what they want to be. it's great. and this is very unusual and the price tags in this sense are like that. well, roman ekaterina is also unique, but they would agree. you, for example, ikrinize this story or somehow rework it, but you know the most for me. in my opinion, the text is important here, and the text is very difficult to put. i don't really understand how to transpose it uh hmm yes , it's too literary, how to transpose it? eh, well. others do not understand, because she herself plot. well, if you take it, well, here is the plot, the love triangle was described a lot and in general, well, it was a drama in itself, only

the quantity. yes, there columbine to feather and harlequins loved this business. yes, of course, well , it just seems to me that in the first place there are no fools. people are smart. in general, all these people, they are all curious, they are all very bright, bright character and very different, and this, probably , attracts everyone, i think, but i don’t know how to translate this into the language of dramaturgy, the way it is written about roman and the most valuable thing for me language. well, i agree that the language, amazing, it is unique. it is impossible to repeat and marings, unlike anyone else, not in poetry, nor in prose , as we understand it, it surprises me that the avgungov wrote, well, dozens of the most different plays and he was successful somewhere, for example, jester balaev or the birth of a poet. yes, and at one time they were staged with

great success, the play was a golden hoop, which he wrote together with mikhail kazakov sr., and the father of a famous actor. yes, and a big drama was opening in moscow. theater yes, that is it as a playwright, well took place. yes, he had everything in this regard, and after his death, in our time, they make a film, they put on plays, for some reason, for some reason, the famous one left the most famous one. most probably, a bold trace is so cultural, if you look in time, yes, as it were, if you lay it out on a timeline, yes, it turns out that the price tags most often paradoxically you never know, yes, some work will sound paradoxical in time there thank you very much for an interesting conversation. it was a podcast for sure. reading. i am the main thing, a body shirt director

writer, directors, writers ekaterina two gubskaya and oleg demidov , a literary critic, a poet, were visiting me. we talked about the novel by anatoly. fraceniki what did the pain in my head give me for a role? i don’t have a dream to become better, you are cancerous and i never

asked. i so lived with the pain of my blood , i valued it, paint my soul, my second joy. at times, it fell to us to be bailed out to be beauty , to become tall, a fool, as i endured you with truth, languidly, i did not wait for a long time, i lost strength.

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i wrote on the reverse side. trust the time you get me now to collect your gifts hello this podcasts 20 years later. my name is konstantin mikhailov and we started with a hit on the painted soul. our guest is alexei

gorshenyov, musician, poet, composer, founder of the gorshenyov group, vocalist of the rock band kukryniksy and the younger brother of one of the founders, perhaps the main founder of the korol and shut group, mikhail gorshenev. alex welcome, painted soul wrote on the reverse side. believe strong words. what does this mean? he is probably pathos. and because, uh, everything a young man does, uh, he expects that he will be accepted better than he is , because there is nothing behind him, no mind of special non-consciousness, no lived experience, and so on, and he tries to get through. here in our crazy crazy russel let's call it so rude show business in all sorts of ways. and then my mind visited. i was visited by the same thought that something like this should be done so that it was widely already initially, so i did absolutely. well, let's put it this way, in a simple

idiotic replica, having practically nothing behind it, because all this is based on the basis of a young guy. this one, who wants to pseudo-conquer something with a guitar, he begins to perform the akyn of russian rock. why is he not so well liked. therefore, if we take as a basis your thesis of 20 years, the difference between this and today, then for me personally this is remember, the difference the difference from the fact that it all started with pathos with a game of rage with energy u and ended uh, with large forms in terms of the development of precisely consciousness, because today for every phrase of today's creativity there is a search for doubt or something so tremulous. i can answer the composition is not a problem. i'm just in my heart for me remained exactly at that time in that time when i was nobody did anything. paphos did some strange things for the most

part. this is a russian akyn. this is russian rock, which did not always have, uh, hmm, motivation from the adequacy, let's say, of the painted soul , an interesting clip there, the girl disappears, uh, drawings are wearable and it becomes pristine clean. and is about to eat an apple, but you are at the last moment. you take away an apple from her and go up the stairs, and i thought, is god really lying and decided to replay everything and not reach it. if you sin . you see how people's fantasy works, including you noticed some kind of philosophical, uh, such a topic. oh, i don't even know, i'm probably much angrier. i want people to still understand what i mean, and not what they want to understand, yeah, i'm still wrong and this is the scenario solution he

came up with this clip mukhametzyanov vitaly, uh, from his point of view, to which we now no longer recognize. unfortunately. well, what he thought he thought, i can't say, because it was still the work of his script, his shooting. and we are like young people. hooray! hooray! let's shoot what he had in mind, i don't know, well, you think so, maybe it 's better. well let you. so, i think you said that happiness is more demanding on its lyrics. and in general, what was then then you were ready to shoot with nothing. maybe this is also, by the way, the path to which many musicians go. i now analyze the texts of more than half of the musicians who, it seems to me, simply add up the words from the bullshit in the expectation that each listener will put his own into them. and you are the easiest, sorry that i am or maybe this is the hardest, because you say, if you analyze the texts, you calculate them, they do not give you maneuvers, not steps to the right or

step-to-left. if you sang rubbish, everyone would find this meaning for me. no, the other was releasing the other essence is that when you are young, when you understand little of the world around you and little of yourself, you understand a lot for you. you make a riddle in a simple way, forgive the simplest thing for people, complicating the practice of creativity. you understand what needs to be done for something more. why do you want to be aware from the point of view of god, and the movement or how? i now call to become a unit a nail in the globe and turn this world upside down then do you understand where your talent is? what is he buried in? you don't live him. you climb it and develop it. and here you are already doing not for people. and for something more, of course. for myself, i think that you come to yourself. no, in no case is this selfishness, which creativity is called selfishness, when you do it for yourself, honestly do not pay attention to anyone for need, many people think so, what should be done? it's right. i'm a little wider now uh wider. i'm talking about how you breathe and

live, what are you doing for? what is the motivation, if you do for people, you immediately have two of the most disgusting things that a creative person has - this is vanity and pride, and it is with them that you are everything time and make friends and fight as soon as you speak for something more. they leave a lot. you just have to work. you have to do what you can, and that's what you have accumulated in your life, what you have studied, what you have been given with some difficulty. perhaps either fortune or luck. you saved it summed up and issued. like some. look here. it's interesting. this is my motivation. well, again, this is not done in order to know your ego there. how cool, i just made such a topic. no need to do for something more, then it will be chic. do you do for people. you expect them to be a cool guy. oh this is interesting. yes. then you are unstable and can be manipulated. and this is something more than lyosha. and when there was more perceived feedback from

the fans when you were shooting with empty complexities or now. and by the way, have you now come to a simple one or even more complex one? now i'm going to tell you about the topic that i have come to. well, i got there. uh, with the help of faust, i am now studying faust. in the future, i will deal with the next topic - this is dante and so on and so forth, because it is primarily interesting to me, so here is goethe to his comrade and student. ackerman said, don't go big. so, i would for this time what i spent on faust and what i will invest even more in it in time. i would have done three five albums, but i didn't. because it will stop me, because i suddenly realized my quarrels 47, that there is no need to waste time on to satisfy someone's needs. that's how you talk about that's how how it takes puma, pumblika brightly, colorfully, shouting something else, but again, this is vanity and pride.

there is such information. today is a sensation. i don't want shame tomorrow. i'm getting old of all this, maybe gradually, and now, when i see today, the response from the audience is the most. i see that people want to hear something from me. well, alexey yuryevich, you know something interesting, and i fit in with these people. so i don’t want to just take them and throw them and do stupid things. you have many songs about life and death. just understanding this boundary two states of aggregate somehow think there is something there. eh, the moment now hears us. these are personal things for each person, they respond in their own way. i believe that yes there is some know, here. uh, if you take it scientifically from the point of view of physics, but we have the same field. yes, energy it is considered in different screens. there is green yellow-blue, that is, well, roughly speaking, yes, here is an example of us not becoming. and paul

is. it's zhra-diverges. that's how you throw sugar, that's that refined, yeah, that's in water, and he, after all, dissolved this piece. well, that is, he intersected with the great , joined the great yes, and he was , after all, we cannot say that he was not. we cannot deny it. therefore, what we have is that it will remain forever and our energy, as which either pulsates or stands all the time. that way, it's still there. and even if the body passes away, she gave everything for it, and somewhere it is this, if from the point of view of a physicist, if from the point of view of human psychology, we cannot abandon the person. he is with us always