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this proposed in russia discussed the persecution in ukraine of the canonical orthodox church. russia again pays attention, the schismatics are persecuting the clergy and the parishioners are seizing the temples of representatives, the uoc is squeezing the pechersk lap out of kiev. our country calls on the international community and spiritual leaders to come to the defense of the viceroy of the monastery, metropolitan pavel, who was placed in custody by the kiev authorities. the scope of persecution by the kiev regime of the clergy of the ukrainian orthodox church resembles the most tragic totalitarian episodes of the world stories from 2022. she conducted more than forty so-called complex counterintelligence activities from october 22 to may 23 alone, the sbu conducted about a hundred searches of monasteries , churches and administrative buildings, and oops throughout ukraine, almost 200-50. lyrikampts was forbidden to enter the country, that is, on his native land. they turned out to be outcasts in relation to the clergy, including 14 bishops; 61 criminal cases were initiated on
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charges of state changes and incitement of religious hatred; pretexts were deprived of ukrainian citizenship. a capricious summer never ceases to amaze temperature records. updated turkey in several cities in the west, the air above the climatic norm by 10 °. in izmir, +43 heat and dry land provoke new fires anomalous heat in greece in the eastern part of the country in crete above 46 is almost the same in vatik and on the islands of problems, fires add summer records in russia, but with completely different properties, which took place the day before in moscow turned out to be the strongest over the past almost 130 years, those whom he found the bad weather on the way, will surely fill this stream for a long time. by now, it's all good to see you.
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there is a situation with fakes, when a person can deliberately distort something, but it seems to me that there is a deeper problem. it may be less acute, but in that people begin to fantasize immediately. here is a must-write. why, that is , we are going i do not know the dependence, or what? that 's what happened or did not even happen something announced and that's any self-respecting, so to speak, blogger. he thinks that he doesn't know how he is, this blogger has been silent for 3 hours, but thank god the man is gone. they followed him every day. and anyway, look here. what is my question? after all, this is not a problem of a fake, as such, a conscious one, but a problem of constructing an information field, which consists of some fragments of our thoughts if i may say so, yes? i’ll throw out emotions under which , for some reason, someone should discuss everything with us right away
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, everything becomes specialists in all areas. well, this is another such facet of this problem, but i just mean that this is a fundamentally different design the information field, even it seems to me, we do not fully understand this, that it is completely different, everything that would never have hit before. this is the common space. today it consists of it. and it can be very cool to continue to influence all this, but people think more with emotions and want to consume emotions. but look here then there is such a turn, a phrase that is unpleasant to pronounce and admit to it, but i am afraid that we will not get away from this, there is no person who cannot be manipulated. there is no question of the strength of the impact, but in readiness. yes, this impact is exercised on the scale of this. yes, someone
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is simpler than someone, there are probably people who are not amenable to hypnosis, as they say, but people who are not amenable to manipulation, most likely, are absent or there are such manipulations, but they can be different. even even some household household manipulations. or when we come to the supermarket store. there's also a huge whole science lined up on how to entice people to buy. e, this or that, so we are constantly in this field, well, it's about the information field. if we say we're a secret, it's not let’s discover, of course, that all telegram channels, in one way or another, pursue the goal of their owner, for some it ’s commercial, for someone else, someone else wants to influence again. well, if we were to make news that was not, uh, manipulative, that is, just dry, as if the news is there, i often quarrel with one well-known federal media agency and they
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write, uh, such actual prankster headlines. eh, they played a trick on such and such a person. i speak. well, why would you even write. well, what was there, in fact, there was some kind of high-profile things from there that you truth so such here. well, no, we're so official. we give this title. well, and then they themselves hand over some kind of clickbait headline, that something happened there, of course, there are subscribers. well, that is, there will be more views, but look, but still, yes. a, if we proceed from what is unpleasant when it was manipulated and on the idea. a normal person would not even know what exactly they were. naturally. well, usually those who are sure that the name is being manipulated. that's what you're manipulating. but there are some rules who can help. here is a way for a person to resist this. well, okay. that's when you already said at the beginning, when you just take information from different sources and compare it already allows. you somehow see a little bit. yes, what else could it be?
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it is imperative to look at the invoice, that is, who said, when he said under what circumstances, because the source of some telegram channel wrote that lexus said it is not a fact that lexus is specifics without it. it's all like that. not unbelievable, therefore you need to figure it out and still look somewhere for some inconsistencies, because any news of this good hunting. but do you ever feel, when someone reads something, that this is manipulation. and what and how you are trying, probably, somehow i don’t even try to understand it, because i’m so well, how for me, this is ordinary, that well, everyone wants. uh, when you study some media there , even not even the media, even the telegram channel and or just some bloggers, opinion leaders should still understand that, but someone is behind them and some, well, it is clear that something
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is behind them. that's who's behind you. here, well, we are. this is an example. here is which exception managed. yes, that's what i always say too. here. well, if you take the media, after all, there is some kind of team yes, and they don’t work somewhere in the state office. uh, on something live get money. that is, it is clear there are some owners. and there is, because this particular one, and in classical, as we say today, even journalism, it is also always clear that there are some interests of the owners. media yes but here it's not directly related to manipulation. well, different news can be presented in different ways. even now you look during the conflict. yes, and that even some news can be submitted, well, our official media is fine, yes, but let's say some opposition there is somehow twisted in a different way. here is the same news, but somehow the other way around so that a would still say what father's soap means. well,
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it's generally elementary to do. you know here. uh, somehow i noticed, well, since i often have some kind of interviews too give in official status, and i say that here is a difficult situation on the one hand and on the other hand. here i remember goes publications in the headline. it is written there any you said a colon and what i said is written on the one hand, and the other is published by the media. this is the same interview, but in the title it changes what was said on the one hand. this is what they took for granted. they took out what i said on the other side and it turned out that the same text, but with opposite headings. yes, but this is the nuance of the complexity of the situation, that there is one and the other. it is simply absent from the headline and those who read the headlines go further. they simply, well, the readers of the first were sure that i said this, and the readers of the second what was it? well , anyway, it seems to me. uh, here is a conscious person, a responsible one, should develop some rules of information hygiene. it's all about this below, seriously speaking in general. well, that is the term digital
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intoxication, but this is no longer a joke. it seems to me that this is not, but you definitely need to take a break from the news flow. and you rest, as they say, do not read newspapers, right? we try, of course, and how it is necessary, probably, to look at some kind. if you still want to study something, but some, well, maybe not news content. look at least at least someone there someone is preparing something interesting. yes, on channel one. here, the more scientific content. you can look somehow a little bit to go to another area , for example, there, if politics is very concerned, well, look in some other area to see something like that , take a walk on the street. well, how do you personally feel? here is the dependency on this unfortunately, yes, but here, uh, the fact is that our activities are somehow connected with the news agenda. yes, and therefore all ideas are also born on the basis of what we
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read and watch, therefore yes, we also have such an occupational disease, well, deformations alone can be cured, we try to live with acceptance. today we gathered our thoughts about the prank of manipulations and the state of the information field vladimir kuznetsov alexey stolyarov we continue, as far as i understand, but there are two extreme approaches. ah, to what is called a prank. although a lot of things are called pranks. yes, but still the approach to the fact that it is almost an art. here is art, practical joke and so on. this is at one end of the spectrum and at the other, that this is hooliganism, for which it is necessary to punish the shame of the profession there, and so on. you know that the profession of a prankster, that we call our intelligence officers scouts, and their scouts are spies. yes, it’s understandable in the same way, like this, and well, it works there in ukraine in
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the west. they call us hooligans. yes, there are even spies, they are champions there, well, of course, that peonies and there it is of such a negative nature. we have it a little differently. so no. but for you personally, after all, this is even journalism, even journalists, someone is more instrumental, such a professional composition. yes, it sees here instrumentally professionally, someone believes that this is art to a greater extent. but then, uh, be careful what you do. this? what do you think this is? all together modestly said, lyosha prank is also different. yeah what can you call it this too a broad concept, because there, let's say on the street you go to some crazy person. well, no, well, of course, there is a schoolboy, yes , let's say for a day there a thigh on his head and say, oh, i decided to check your reaction. how fun here, but this, of course, has nothing to do with our activities at all or someone can call there, well, telephone
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divorces. this thing has been going on all over the country for a long time, as if to some degree, they are somehow more elegant, because they force people there to do different things. we are we don’t ask anyone to take loans and money in our name. we don’t ask us that there is no component, or, as it were, a whole spy operation c wagner themselves, who flew to minsk, should have, as it were, fly somewhere to colombia there for a to work, yes, a it turns out that it was a special operation, just well thought out ukrainian special services gathered people to put them in a kiv in kiev and arrest them accordingly. but look , again, closer to that, here, uh, what drives you? yes, well, sea - there is still such a point of view that someone is doing this because of love for art. well, because you get some kind of drive, yes, i don’t know,
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you learn something there. they say, yes, communication and so on, but someone thinks that this is a tool for saying something, uh, in your case, is that more of a degree? well, that is, it is a means for some purpose or for the love of art. here you are, well, like it here. sorry if i didn't like being they didn't take so long. well, i admit, maybe you have different points of view. not everything is 100% the same. no, it's kind of common perhaps those topics are still simple. well, how did they put it? yes, this is the first thing that we really want to do something interesting, cool and informative and every time we try to reveal and improve these skills in ourselves, because a good conversation with an interlocutor that has informational
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value when you do it. i think this is what motivates me the most. but i remember that they once said to me, this is not the first time we are talking. what stories did you have that you didn't release? oh yes, and as i understand it, including for some moral, yes, reasons, that is, you decided that, well, somehow there was no mistake in a person, but with yours i was not mistaken, but i mean from the point. well, why, i may have misunderstood you, but i understood that you didn’t let go, because you think that this one, well, this person doesn’t need, so to speak, we don’t get a blow. it doesn't just come out of private life. hmm there is, if we cut it out, we just never laid it out unwittingly. yes, we never publish it. it's not in ours, as it were rules. what about? i think that hypothetical i then said that if we felt this person, and we
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would consider that it is not worth publishing with him. we would not have done anything, but we have such interlocutors. not so, well, i mean, well, i mean, are you still so fundamental to cook here? yes, if suddenly there is doubt about the appropriateness, we weigh all the pros and cons well, but they tried to figure out how to park this question all the time we are also asked. but uh. i think it's quite well, they call us after some loud story journalists, for example, ask something, but you won’t check everyone, for sure from there i ’m afraid and let’s send me a letter from the official email no, well, just what won’t get from this, what will they find out? well, some, but you don’t really get news from us. uh, what we publish us especially well. it sounds like something we are not talking about in public,
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we are unlikely to say that this is the opposite decision of china to periodically call and divorce. well, the truth is, they don't know. we're calling, that's it but they're all which accidentally fall not so long ago some, well, not very, apparently, a gifted person wrote. eh, what, i mean, uh, i am a military commissar. there is such a thing at the central military commissariat of russia, it turns out, and it means that you urgently need it, which means you need to talk to me. well, i don’t usually pick up the phone for some kind of call. uh, an incomprehensible plus, they still call, they call, they call. well, i guess it's something like this. well, he definitely writes. e in telegram right away, so i mean, there is some kind of chief military commissar. well, i understand that everything is clear with you dear man, dear a. then he writes in a few days. i don't reply at all. i want to mean through belarus i
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want to do what prank. is it possible to communicate with you somehow there, so about it? i didn't answer either. well, because if you are trying such a prank stupid. that means that what to discuss with you, but look, and since you said that any person can be, if desired, does this mean that, in principle, it is impossible to protect yourself from this? well, no, it doesn’t mean, uh, just one thesis, uh, by means of communication the question is different, what is the scope of this divorce, maybe uh, just if you really treat all these external calls with a call. e with such a wary, yes, then, of course, there is less chance of breeding. it depends on how prepared uh the person who wants to do it is. well, and accordingly, i think that we can. that is, you would be interested, well, yes, well, depending on what, yes, if it's interesting, some kind of
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large-scale divorce. and you assume that there is some option in which you can have a conversation with you like that. when you say, that's what, well, you don't would like to say, well , firstly, not frank by means of communication, so it would hardly give anything, and secondly, well, i will say again what we say publicly. yes , but it does not contradict what we really think, therefore we do not see the meaning. thank you, thank you. today we gathered thoughts about prank manipulations and the state of the modern information space. see you again.
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the zizenstein, 125 podcast is on air and film critic artyom sopin and film historian natalya ryabchikova are in the studio. today we will talk about the film eisenstein's ivan the terrible, which is not only one of the most notable paintings in the work of eisenstein himself, but is probably one of the most significant films, in principle, in the history of uh culture of the 20th century, because this film, which brought together very many features of different types of art. actually, thanks to this film, including eisenstein, he proved that cinema is a full-fledged part of the world pantheon of arts, along with older views, painting and literature, theater and in ivan the terrible, we see how many intertwine features, in addition, this film is, of course, historical in different aspects. interesting historically, not in the sense that in that long history when he was filmed and
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even more so in that long history, which relates to our interests. eh, in the history of how historical science is developing now and, in general, ivan the terrible is involved in this not only with science. how much from an artistic point of view, of course, because ivan the terrible is a picture that, in general, maybe, uh rightfully stand on a par with such works. like e. macbeth e, shakespeare or pushkin's boris godunov, that is , works that e represent a certain matrix, not even so much because of the history of our country. how much in general from the history of civilization, because it is certain , fortunately or, unfortunately, rather in this case. unfortunately, recurring uh, motives in the behavior of people, not even necessarily kings. this is, uh, a rather complex work and psychologically interesting historical ones. and now. maybe we'll talk how it's a project
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appeared, where did he get it from? in what years it was created, because, of course, you need to start with dreams. for eisenstein, the thirties were very difficult years of their own, as well as for our entire country and, uh, the intensification of the great terror. at the end of the thirties. eh, it was especially evident in his situation, because he was one of the brightest figures of that left avant-garde of the twenties, which in the thirties was condemned in every possible way, who accused formalism. uh, and in addition, eisenstein, uh, had this trip abroad at the turn of the twenties and thirties years. we know how many. uh, military leaders, like many engineers who went abroad in these years, many were repressed from within. well, miraculously, they literally managed to avoid repressions, because stalin hoped to tame einstein and, in general, despite the rather independent behavior of einstein in the thirties, when he was going to put on the film. uh, with my
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view, collectivization is a bit dumb. in general, showing him as the tragedy of the russian village, everything went to the fact that zenstein was to be arrested and at thirty seventh year. generally. uh, the situation of the ban on that film about the village of bezhin lug practically led to this, but stalin decided to give eisenstein a chance. e, suggested that he put on a film about alexander nevsky here as well. in general. it's not that they didn't understand each other, but eisenstein made a film about repulse. uh, this mechanized knightly machine chained, vlad is actually this teutonic army and eisenstein. eh, it was considered just like a statement in favor of humanity against. eh, this one is so dogmatic iron grinding machine. what, in general , was stalin's power, but stalin, in general, perceived this as a favorable context for himself. e he took it as a film
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glorifying e. well what he considered himself, although according to historians of the civil war. in general, with this, and it was not so simple. let's say, nevsky as the predecessor of ivan the terrible, and because eisenstein finally tried, but to embody those ideas, and the combination of the montage combination of the sound of the image that he walked, well, 10 years before that, and he finally for the first time i worked with sergei prokofiev, the great composer, who was able to embody these ideas, moreover, gave from einstein, and also material for thought. yes, for these theoretical analyzes of his favorite post- analysis and with this baggage. both of them approach already the fortieth year of their forty-first year and in fact. eh, right here, initially, it even works not only with sound, but with color, but this is a separate episode, which we will talk about
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in due time. what about? the offer really was very hmm peculiar, because here it is important to remember the context at this time , historical works are just beginning to come out that rethink the place of grozny in history, which, uh, strive and try to at least justify the tyranny of grozny by creating an oprichnina and eliminating the boyars. that is, such an establishment of sole power. actually , what stalin did in the thirties, when he first got rid of the mensheviks. these are sirs from the so-called trotskyists, and so on and so on and so on. therefore , this is the proposal that came in january forty-first year, a and e, was voiced by zhdanov e, who invited from einstein for a conversation and suggested that he put in grozny medical did not immediately agree, but from eisenstein a, in general, he took some time to think and himself recalled that for him so uh hmm as they now say the trigger was attending the gala.
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the next evening on the anniversary of lenin's death was at the bolshoi theater in january 1941. and while thinking about lenin’s death, an event seventeen years ago, uh, from einstein, i thought about, uh, how scared i was stalin, that after the death of lenin, began to destroy everyone around him and realized that , starting from this fright in grozny’s childhood, this plan should be started, and then he would work on the script. he started to work. eh, i worked in great detail with a large number of historical sources. first i was looking for a screenwriter, uh, and. in general , major figures were considered, for example, the writer leonid leonov, but, by the summer, he, in general, already independently develops a script, and then on june 22, forty-one, and is still changing. just from the inside. thought the shooting will be postponed because it is very difficult and filming. and for him it was a very strange decision to continue filming, moreover
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, to provide the film crew with everyone. entered, despite the wartime situation, but wait until then, it is also necessary to say that a is clear that initially they were going to do this in moscow at mosfilm. here is june 22, and then, and in october, the studios will be evacuated to almaty , that is, not just they, how to shoot a film about medieval russia in wartime conditions resources to which they are accustomed, at least in moscow, the forty-second year is actually spent on e, developing sketches, tailoring costumes, finalizing the script. here it must be said that sketches played a huge role. these are the ones that eisenstein drew not so much as the artist for the film was or wonderful artists, if nikolai warriors in the spinel, but actually, just the same, these drawings were such an emotional embodiment of the future film, because the film, in principle, is very graphic according to the nature of the movement
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of the actors. according to the pattern of their roles and in general, many actors even complained about the fact that einstein always makes them take some kind of, uh, specific poses show that this is how you have to go. so you have to go through here with a window, they complained, and some were fine, because to lie like that, and a company of actors, probably, by the way, was only possible in alma-ata, maybe in moscow he could not do it. this is a twofold situation. it is clear who should play grozny well , of course, nikolai cherkasov, who has already played nevsky, moreover, he is just an actor plastics he is an actor action he is an eccentric actor and well, he is not in almaty, he needs to be caught with him, you need to agree with him, but on the way, and then, and who will play the queen from einstein did he find? he came up with the idea that ulanova would play the ballerina, with whom he already knows, moreover, she is a mate, but while they approve her, the theater needs to go to perform
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elsewhere. she leaves to take off. it is impossible, you have to look again, and he tried. it seems to me half, almaty is about cinematic cinematic and eventually settled on e, lyudmila tsarakovskaya, who actively advised taking. e, the performer of the role of malyuta skurata mikhail zharov and who was at that time the husband of tselikovskaya and e, as he saw her in this role, and, in general, insisted that a tselikovskaya would play this role in general. eh, it is significant here that cherkasov started the musilli. zharov played comedy kings, a huge number of kadochnikov were generally comedic actors, actor of the youth theater ah-ah. tselikovskaya comedy actress. e. hmm serafima birman, in the thirtieth she played dramatic roles in the theater, but she started again with comedies, including playing comedies in films. we need to be sure to say who could play birman instead of seraphim, we see her. on the screen in the role of aunt e, the main villain of such a film in the role of euphrosyne, but after all, there should have been an even more famous and more beloved
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comedian, and faina ranevskaya, who was tried, who really wanted to play, but, but they didn’t take her, unlike ranevskaya, however. at least we can see how she ended up looking, and lyudmila tselikovskaya in the frame, and how she looked next to the birman seraph, we have a small fragment. it cannot be said that if he didn’t compromise with the performer, the role of euphrosyne, and because the authorities imposed the actress polovikova, and the other actress, in general, e from einstein, when ranevskaya’s invitation did not take place, he nevertheless, he insisted on his other candidacy to seraphim. i fit right in here, but this here is an invitation to comedians, at least actors with a comedic background with comedic skills was. in general, not some kind of whim, because from
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the side of einstein a from einstein e, specially invites economic actors to the tragedy simply because they feel more. eh, the edges of conditional genres. i have a theory that he called comedians, among other things, to make it easier, at least somehow, to survive on this set, because in addition to the technical conditions, there are also conditions. just shooting, this is shooting from night to night, and it's cold. we have many memories. yes, how are they there for hours, let's say sat on make-up during the day. energy went to regulated factories, so they were filming at night , they were malnourished, like everyone else, right? ah, they had steam coming out of their mouths during filming, it was colder inside the studio space than outside. these were also quite serious tests for the actors, it's great that serafima birman, like a number of other actors, left wonderful, very colorful memories of filming. in general, it is true for many. it was one of the most important events in my life. generally. if not
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the main one, then even the birman, who seemed would be proud of her theatrical biography, and she staged and played herself. but for her , it's all the same, this is a meeting with eisenstein with a man who thinks so figuratively bright and so unusual. in general, it was absolutely. eh, such a gift of fate. this is even in vidnoe letters of mikhail named, who played kubkovsky. here he writes hard. i got sick while sitting on the make-up. i'm waiting. i'm arguing with other actors. i don't understand what 's going on. i don't understand what einstein wants and then the next letter he looks at pieces and says, well, i'm for the barbell. i figured out how it 's supposed to work. it's great. it is not in vain that we suffer here, and not all actors not always, but eisenstein understood what he wanted from them. yes, this is his highest idea or a lot of ideas of conglomerates. why does he oppress, for example, yes? why does he work with light like that? why did he refuse
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to fully use his usual cameraman eduard tessei and called andrei moskvin to these distortions. uh, of course , cherkasov suffered the most from them, and his memories of his, uh, are quite critical. uh, he describes this experience and at the same time, he regretted that he told it like a journalist, uh, dictated it, because for him it was also emotionally the most important , after all, as he later realizes by the end of his life, and the experience is here, because he had to play a huge amount. ages, that is, it begins. he is also a sixteen-year-old youth in the episode of the wedding to the kingdom and on the other hand. e, he, e, was supposed to actually become an old man by the end of e, the film, as you know, was not completed, the third series was not filmed, we'll talk about it, but even in at the end of the second series, on which we now say goodbye to another, he is already in extreme old age. uh, there was another actor who played him as a child. eh,
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boy, but from the wedding to the murder of the staretsky, we look at cherkasov, the most complicated green, in general, which took several hours to do. let's see what it looks like. volkova under our power and, of course, this is a very practical mask, yes, and a mask that gradually appears on ivan's face because here, in general. this is such a film in many respects about the self-destruction of the personality gradually ivan from to generally a normal person. as we will see in the scene of the wedding to the kingdom, how he turns into this absolutely dried mummy. that was pitera just
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for real when the guests showed up here. there was not the slightest hint of dinner, because the hall was completely empty and suddenly, as if by magic, unexpectedly for those present, five served tables appeared from under the floor. just a genius, yes , bring me to the gulf of finland through the canals , fountains and palace square , i heard a thousand times how beautiful, when the bridges are drawn. well, i've never seen it in person. we went on saturday on the first and always on 1tv.ru. i want to remind you that this is a podcast. this is 125 we are discussing sergei eisenstein's film ivan
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the terrible i am a film historian natalya ryabchikova and with me in the studio my colleague is a film critic. artyom sopin, artyom what happened next, the shooting of the film uh, about uh, in fact, began in february, 43 years and uh, continuing tension 43 44 and the fact is that at that time the evacuees were in alma-ata-studio gradually returned, but it was no longer necessary to interrupt in the middle shooting, as it was in the forty-first. and here they have already planned the production in such a way that the director of any film finishes in alma-ata and the new azism begins already in moscow. everything didn’t finish did n’t finish, because the long and difficult filming had already actually all returned to moscow from einstein, already one of the last ones to stay in almaty in the forty-fourth year. and uh, since the question arose that one series should be completed before the others, and it is important that in almaty 3 series were filmed in parallel and uh, here it is, after all, uh, completed filming, missing scenes, the first series returned to moscow

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