[000:00:00;00] that it is comfortable for them to be able to unplug the computer conditionally and disconnect from all this, than you can’t block it in person and depend on some circumstances, but you have to sit and talk with it for an hour. well, one, how not liquidating it, right? but what if there is no digital, and if we move away from this topic, what other trends are waiting for us in the near future? well, firstly, uh, there is an invention of new colors, that is, it became possible to print colors like on a computer screen, that is, one with very high brightness, then smart tissues that can regulate body temperature. and even read certain problems and diseases, transmitting information in time , almost to your doctor .

well, like clockwork. now we can measure the amount of oxygen in the blood, and also read the tissue for dinner. yes, you wrote that the temperature is 39 people. yes, yes, well, something like this, yes, then tissues that will quickly decompose and self-destruct tissues that will change color or fabrics that do not require washing, they are self-cleaning. well, there are a lot of things being invented. and as a rule, many trends begin with fabrics, and the designer is already picking up these technologies. i heard that technologies for fabrics that change their color have already been actively introduced. e depending on the presence or absence of sunlight. there are such yes already, yes, and you are planning to use something similar in your collections, risky. history as soon as it becomes available while all new technology is very expensive. for example, we wanted to use, a in our second line, b

dreamsy fabrics, a dyed with fruit and vegetable peels, but these fabrics are four times more expensive than the rest. that is, it will greatly affect the cost of the product and our client is not yet ready to buy a dress four times more expensive, because it is dyed with potato peelings , brands and stores with all-white clothes will still appear from the trends. that is, these are brands that will completely abandon decoration, yes , chemical effects on fabrics, and white ones - isn't that a dye? by itself, no, but snow white dye. but dairy baked milk is the natural color of the fabric. and what do you like most, what is closer to you from these new technologies that will appear in the near future, what are you looking at? now, well, i certainly like that we recycle garbage into fabrics that can be worn. eh, there are already a lot of these fabrics on the market, and we use them ourselves, that

is, by buying these fabrics and creating clothes from them. i understand that i am useful. i i support cleanup of the ocean as well and my customers buy these clothes will feel that they benefit in addition to getting a beautiful thing. and who is producing these fabrics now? these are some factories. yes, many companies. this is this trend. stop sustainability. he's already practically. and every fabric manufacturer has it, but so far there are a lot of rylov and here are small rails. by the way, we also used a new technology - these are heaters built into the jacket. but, unfortunately, our customers for some reason are not very appreciate this idea. we ourselves were surprised, because we have, uh, a northern northern city and a warm jacket, of course, can be very useful, but for some reason it is not popular with us people, they didn’t want to charge some kind of battery to wear somewhere in the outlet inserting a jacket was not appreciated. well , it seems to me that it’s a matter of time, because

about cars, too, they used to say about cars that why charge a car through an outlet. these sockets. it is necessary to look somewhere for anything now will give birth. all over the city charging for electric electric cars, so i think it's a matter of time about all new ideas need time. yes, maybe it's really worth it, to start using it and show someone that it's convenient, but the battery is probably heavy, well, like an additional charger for a phone. well, how many actions are there? i don't know 100g. maybe oh i would probably be your first user with great pleasure. i even bought batteries for myself this winter to charge the phone, which is still heating up, that is, to warm your hands uh-huh when in the winter, let's say you get into the car, and it has not yet warmed up, and you take this battery, turn it on, about which you charge your phones with it. he's still heating up. they can warm their hands, great. i also use japanese patches. here you need to hold out on the street

long enough. i just wrap them around my clothes, that's all. i'm in a thermos. yes, these patches are still for shoes. the same liners that heat up. and there are now releasing such heated socks and gloves with heating is, i have not heard. yes, now, after all, the epoch that is called fast food, when people buy things quickly get rid of them. we love to clear our wardrobe of some unnecessary things to buy new ones, but at the same time there is still a certain vintage and we know that there are a lot of dresses that were made decades ago so far. people buy them, wear them and they are in demand and look great today, what is needed for your clothes to make your dress go down in history decades later, maybe some kind of exhibition of costumes from the early 2000s with characteristic things. well, i think, firstly, it should be some kind of extreme innovative

idea, for example, as a reason. yep, an invention. well, new then, yes, well, how was the black square in its time or what? and christian dior with his dresses of happiness, that is, they went down in history now you will not surprise anyone with such a dress, but in due time the right moment. they were, uh, in the right place at the shows. that's very beautiful. it still looks. yes, secondly, i think that a is dress carrying some additional meaning. a and. thirdly, i think, just unique very beautiful dresses belonging to some of the best collections of designers can. well, here are those that delight the eye through time, amaze with interesting ideas in working with texture or with construction or light or a dress dedicated to a specific task. for example, we created a dress, and dedicated to may plisetskaya and maria marina alexandrova starred in it, and

we embodied a white and black swan in one dress; the dress was created from a thousand, hand-painted empire. here it was dedicated to my plisetskaya and created in a unique way. for 2 months we have been creating , painting each peru, separately processing each pen, which was drawn by the artist. that is, it is impressive, it is interesting to consider. and as for the fast fashion era, it's over, people don't want to, but sweep away all the choices. they want to buy. things that will not be worn for years, so the quality of the thing comes to the fore, and the design goes a little, the second thing should be utilitarian suitable for different situations. well, for example, here is a large black men's jacket, which must be of very high quality a without a design elements so that it is always relevant and after 3 years and after 5 years. it can be completed to put on a dress or put on

with jeans or with the same trousers. here is a utility item. it's also a new time in the sense that we're very careful about what we throw away, meaning many brands are now offering to take back their stuff. and it also starts. uh, the irisale market is developing very actively. now we will see the emergence of a large number of sites that will sell already worn clothes and also there will be more companies that will give clothes for rent. this is all very big, but a new trend. and for some reason it seemed to me that at some point we had a lot of companies that rent clothes, especially beautiful couture dresses that not everyone can afford to buy for the sake of one single outlet. and here such a concept is very convenient. i rented it and returned it back, but for some reason i didn’t use it popular very many closed companies in the evening. why because

the pandemic happened? there was simply nowhere to go and , apparently, the company could not stand this waiting period. and, secondly, yes, this is such a very powerful trend. but people still have to get used to and react. and this transition process will take some time alyona thank you very much for taking the time to come to us. we will closely follow your creativity and the integration of all fashionable and modern technologies in your collection. but i'm with you friends, i say goodbye and i want to remind you that the paws podcast is not bast, the sheets also strive to become part of the cultural. come watch us on the website of channel one see you soon. this podcast is a must read. i'm aglaya for batnikova. director, writer. today i am visiting. kirill shamanov, writer

, art critic, artist, we will talk about william burrows and his junk novel. hello cyril, hello. this 60 years old guy from an educated and fairly wealthy family studied at harvard studied medicine in europe and then i chose this path. uh, let's just say to sink to the bottom and go through, in general , addiction to illegal drugs, and he describes this experience in his books and quite unexpectedly becomes classics of american literature. one of the leaders of the beatnik movement, among which is the holding of jack kiruak, and in general, what can we say about berouz, whether he became a pioneer, but because we know that irwin welsh, er. from transporting hunter thompson to las vegas, all they can

say has been following in his footsteps. well, ah, for american literature, probably yes, but we also know there is russian literature, english literature in russian literature, we know bulgakov's morphine, uh, in english literature. this is a de quincey novel. uh, another 1900 800 there are some tenth years of uh, that is, yes, if we say, like this chronologically, as it were, who was the first in this whole autofiction. uh, such is the literature about addiction, uh, then, probably, this is still a devenation, but speaking of the beatnik generation , speaking of bureaucracy, and his books and his style descriptions, then, of course, for modern literature for modern society. he probably really somehow managed

to give it. yes, as it were, it became clear there, well, a huge mass of people, there his popularity testifies to this. and the writers of the beatniks, they generally, well, let's say, how they differ. that is why they are called beatniks. let's talk a little about this cultural context. well, we are talking about the end of the forties, the very beginning of the fifties . uh, this generation is american post-war. that is, it is the rise of the american economy. at the same time, in general, the rather poor state of american culture. eh, at that moment there was a need. uh, somehow make her dominant in the world. there buying american you buy the best american culture. they are many. these are the directions of many artists during the war, modern ones were taken out and they created such a, as it were, plast e, literary including hmm here, uh, that is, we can talk about it as in such a political technology project,

but as in any project with culture, something gets in the way and talented always and really, as if here are a few authors for me. why do we say all these? so jan is fiction? let's call it literature. why is it written primarily in the first person? this experience, it must be lived, as it were, and it is interesting precisely as an inner experience, first of all. it seems to me so, and precisely due to the fact that this inner experience is in the form of such a step-by-step diary of some often poorly structured text. but how would there always is. here, as it were, the beginning, how a person began. there is some kind of abstract psychedelic period of this consumption of chaos and the subsequent, as it were, what came of it all. that is, well, it usually turns out that it’s bad when, as a rule , the grave leaves, but in some cases, we suddenly come across the fact that such an addiction managed to somehow rethink this

experience and even made some kind of novel you have experience, you have two books written about similar experiences. tell me what gave you this rethinking, when you went through literature. i went to study all these twelve-step programs, and there is a rather significant layer there, these are diaries, uh, feelings there, uh. well, it's an inventory of memory, an inventory of the psyche. there are blocks of their own. that is, you simply remember some people in situations that hurt you there or no longer hurt you. which one was delivered to you and describe them in detail according to certain methods in order to understand. in general, someone in this situation did something wrong, what is the situation and when did you you have been studying for years, you have such a habit, as if not well, through yes, through some written ones. yes, through written analytics, to make some decisions , that is, well, then i noticed that some characters, here, whom i describe, i remember

or situations, but they are so interesting that there is no way to write them in these boring tables, that something is needed there - then more literature. why do you need a story, at least you need a story? years, and it unexpectedly even became some kind of small bestseller, but let's get back to birouz, and bureauuz began writing after he got out of addiction. yes, that is, he having gone through this yes review of his experience. it turns out formed. e yourself as a person. we can say that, we can say that, but we can talk about junk romance. we are talking, just now i directly suspect that in this revision, that is, e , he did not stop being addicted and wrote a junk novel, and he began to work with his addiction and as a result through as a result wrote. yes, this novel, and in which he is clearly expressed there, he has his

thoughts, his own experiences, clearly there. well , uh, put it on paper, and what is this novel about? that is, uh, let's tell a little about all these auto-fiction novels about addiction, but they are to a certain extent, maybe to a major extent. in fact , his freedom and the loneliness of a person. i mean, about hmm, that's about, uh, addiction. yes , there are all these adventures, but uh, that is, this is what we say in american life. yes, there are all these waves, but they are actually pretty, yes, like ours. eh, my beloved pale one sings all my stories, in principle, are similar, that is, uh, all these novels, they really are. well, there's some man he's addicted to. he's the one there. well, there is more or less, but this moment of what he understands. it's that he's addicted. there, he feels his own, as it were, this servile one, as if in front of some kind of drug of life. yes, that is. and that's what it

was. uh, analysis, yes, that is , lay out on paper, as he tries with this somehow consistently disassemble, because drug addicts are some kind of dependent people. they are often unable to think three sentences in a row in one pipeline. he's got to write down, that is, yes, that is, it's literal. here it collects the letter. eh, brains like that, yes, that is, to work with all of these addictions. here are the texts of the letter - this is one of the most powerful practices, these are these analyzes and so on. and it seems to you that life is a birch, that it is tragic, because , for example, i see that he is incredible, lucky in the first place, despite his abuse. he even died before the age of 83. this heart attack, which was rather unexpected , even experienced by his son, and then he never went to prison. although in america those years. well, what is actually in the books? yes, it is persecuted, they were all sitting in

prison, well, birch hut. prisons ah and the most interesting thing is that he killed his wife. that is , it was accidental through negligence, but how to see whether it was accidental or not, because he had a quarrel with her in front of friends. she humiliated him by saying that he was a bad hunter. he does not know how to shoot, and he decided to prove that he knows how to shoot. that is, he killed his own wife, but uh, thanks to his rich family, oh, which i already mentioned, he managed to escape. uh, punishment and perhaps morally he experienced, this is because he said that this is an experience and made writing out of it or what, he began to write precisely after this event that he experienced, but nevertheless. it can be said that man, uh, carried almost no responsibility and even his literary experience. and now he becomes a classic and becomes

famous. that is, even at six. that year, a massachusetts court s, uh, found that his book naked lunch was a work of literature, and not something obscene at all, because the book was banned at one time, uh, but at the trial it was acquitted for it was entered s uh, norman mailer . aylon, gisberg, john chardy. this is a beatnik writer. they acted in defense, in general, of their comrade. but you can also say a rival. you you understand that literature does not exist. yes, such close friends are more like competition. well, that's what they all said. i read the minutes of the court, everyone said that this is a unique piece of work, a unique artistic method. oh, and american society. let's put it this way , it can't do without e, this look without this language, which i introduced to beru, that is. in general, whether he is lucky or not, you know, here i am, as an artist, after all. yes,

that is, uh, i experimented a lot with different media. yes, it's called techniques. art, that is, electronic modern art and some kind of theater and painting there, yes, and painting, whatever. and when i started writing lyrics. that's actually, somehow i began to realize myself. how exactly is the lyricist? i understood such a moment that literature is, let's say, from the point of view of the creative media, yes, that is, from the point of view of the creative material, this is the only practically absolute freedom, as it were, a method. that is, according to the classics, firstly, it does not require money to create, there is only you and actually. yes, nothing can happen at all. that is, i can now go climb up from the ceiling on foot to bring a diamond from there, and that's all. here, i have now painted a whole story in painting. it's all there in the movies. it's you yourself such

operations. the place where you can do this is animation, but this is also a different effort , and this is this and this is the incredible availability of literature, the power of these images that you can create like this, and this, of course, cannot be compared from the point of view of creativity hmm freedom of creativity. yes freedom of, uh, creative expression , of course, cannot be compared. so you're always doing some kind of 2d art. or is there some kind of cinema that you always come across some interpretations, not restrictions, yes , restrictions on interpretations on distortions. and here you are directly in plain text. as if, so to speak, you cut it, somehow it’s all, that’s what i thought. that is, this is a completely ideal format, and in this sense, as if the birches were lucky that he, as it were, immediately began to engage in this art. only then, by the way, speaking already not only writers. he also painted pictures. tell me about it. well, yes, then here's five. fifth

sixties arose a huge galaxy of american artists and abstract expressionists. it's there jackson paul shortly. well, there is a whole one. these are the authors who are now worth hundreds of millions of dollars there, and so on, they immediately began to build good money. i take a dream to draw such rather primitivist pictures, mostly on boards on some, and then, uh, all of her used to shoot them with holes. yes they are all all shot. and by the way , in a paradoxical way, it’s as if they don’t know this in moscow, but in st. petersburg, for example, one of these paintings is permanent from the position of the russian museum in an equal palace. i saw her. yes, and there was even such a very funny moment when i studied the second book. i am now describing this episode there, when i studied at the russian museum, so to speak, there is such an alexander, comrade borovsky, there is a wonderful art critic. such a director of the department is our course, we are teachers and somehow we go to him, and there are some paintings, i look like that, there

alexander friend. what is it? the picture is there, and there it stands there. well, such two at 2.70 there are basques there, there is a picture of something like picasso , it’s worth something like a pack. so it’s in this and some kind of, peeled plank stands. i say this in general, what exactly i take and me just already at that moment. i have already stopped using it, i prescribed all these mine. i just get overwhelmed and i've made contact. e with a birch through his material art correctly one hole at a time. yes, it's invisible. i recorded my feelings there, as if passing a finger through a picture, for example, that is, uh. as a matter of fact, he produced quite a lot of these pictures. they are. eh, in many museums there is something like that, and i really liked it too, like eh, then i was also all like that at the dawn, so to speak, some kind of artistic career and not very much.

i liked the creative method, that , as it were, he draws a person and writes books and films are shot there, there he does some kind of video ard and collaborates with rockers in no form of files. this media format of creativity is very close when you are like the center of your own creativity, by the way, that's what you call performance correctly, when your own life becomes the object of your art. and so you can do it once there is such a concept that life is like an art of life. like a work. that is, there you have a historical one, how would yours be this kondra that is, because why do they buy some paintings for the price of some kind of ord because this is the same worl, because there is a whole life. wow. and a legend. here in this episode of life. he this picture painted there was in that one, then that one, it was checked there. that is, you buy this story, but what is history? yes text that is, it's some kind of you still consider

the main direction. eh, berouz's work was literature, right? well, of course, but these pictures are such artifacts. uh, yes accompaniment merchandising. well, nirvana used for the cover of the album, in my opinion, one of his paintings, when you get such wild popularity, there are already, in general, t-shirts, that's all. these are birches same. i think there were also t-shirts and some kind of hats, these are some kind of collectibles. there, too , you could somehow jackets. there are some branded ones there. this podcast is a must read. i am a film director and a writer, my guest is kirill shamanov, an art critic writer. artist specialist in the art of the xx century. we're discussing william burroughs, and his junk and naked breakfast novels. listen and here, in spite of his say. so elitism. it's in his books. i see that he perceives these residents on these.

e konovalov pushers are more flint than hipsters, by the way, the word hipster is also used by bioroz, but not including the beatniks themselves and there were hipsters to the fact that now we use this word in a slightly different meaning then. it was a man who was in the subject. well , that's what you're talking about, uh, these dwellers, that he was friends and communicated with the inhabitants. he treats them as equals. although we understand that he came from a completely different environment. and so he starts hanging out with some, well, just bandits. delnikov begins to steal and well, in general, and at the same time, er, there is no sense of any hierarchy. i have a feeling. here is some kind of equality of partnership and brotherhood. let yes man be a wolf to understand that in this situation, probably, there can be no friends when everyone is hunting. yes, for some drugs, and most importantly - this is a drug, but nonetheless. i have a feeling that this is some kind of magical world. uh, bra- fraternal or not? i

've seen quite a few uh kids. these are the rich parents. uh, they come in good cars, there in a week the car is already worse in a week the car is completely bad then on foot. yes, and then on a new car, well , it depends on how parents support, well, in general. yes, of course, that is, in this environment of use. there, in general, there is only one hierarchy. that is, there you have it, you don’t have it, that is, if you have it. the king is god, and everyone loves you and all your friends don’t have you . nobody really needs you there. you know that, and how could he? you are the only one there , somehow there, with some kind of offset, something in debt there, it’s the most crawling, so there, as it were, these things are being erased, as it were, that is, uh, some social hierarchies are being erased. yes, the rich are educated. well, from the rich, so you have. and that means something.

and if you were rich yesterday, as it were, i'm sorry , is it educated or not well, of course, it will probably be more pleasant to talk with you, but in fact, no one is allowed to talk there much. well, what do you think, i'm taking the election. eh, this experience, having made it his literary material, and he consciously went into the acclimatization of life in an extreme way in such a dangerous way, will come out with dry from water. wherein. i think that in the case of birch in junk, just at the beginning of this novel. it more or less describes. i think that after all, but he was just so young in terms of weight, yes, a loafer, yes, well, few people like to work. and that's okay. yes, that is, well, you know, here, i, too, for example, it is believed that i also do not work, and as a result, it turns out that you write these books and suffer. there you carry these pictures all the time back and forth. something is always busy with something. i mean, uh, that's why these people who often do not want to work, as if they do not

understand that they will have to work a lot for the rest of their lives . i think it was still a young weight and such. here 's some weird experience. uh, apparently, the game most likely turned out to be somewhere on the verge of life and death several times and it cut through, that he would just die now and that’s it, well, at the same time, there was still such a guy, as if he had read there with some something subtle obviously yes perception, yes, then there are, well, as if some fragile things perceived subtle things there perceived tracked it all, of course, he was very frightened. this is the prospect of dying in such a meaningless place. well, somehow he decided to deal with it. and so i think this is it. that's how roman junky became such an important over-effort. for him. we can say that this is such literature. eh, somehow promotes this

way of life or fascinates? or so to speak draws in or rather vice versa? experience shows that those people who in general, in in principle, they read, of which there are few of them. they have a chance, that is, they have something formed there, some higher nervous activity, some dreams, maybe they are delusional, but they have nothing to lose, they are easy-going. and if a person has some kind of this one on the cortex, some dreams, some desires to become someone or i don’t know how to take place or some adventures in life hmm, not only there in the yard there from one front door to another walking, then reading. it is, in principle, any, no matter how useful it is, if it is also thematic. rather, it is positive, that is, junk for me when i read it for the first time i consumed it. for me , it worked for me. here is the consumption and the effect of the fact that, as it were, uh, here's the dude, everything is the same, but he took the book and wrote it. that is, it

consists stimulated. yes, that is, but i, and i'm sitting here sitting, here some begging here something there is the same thing. i live some kind of boring , completely dull, monotonous life, in fact. this is a book about a feat, that is, a feat. yes, because these are all sex autofiction novels in which, uh, the author is there or the hero, he survives, these are books about a feat about a person's feat in front of himself, because a person he rebels against himself turns out to be his vicious part. yes, who owns it. yes, and yet he is completely lost state. he doesn't know what to do with all those who are physically destroyed, and for all the society is destroyed. he already stole from everyone there. who can have anything, that is, garbage lies e not thought for months, as he himself describes hmm yes and somehow it's all to collect in a heap, and something to process into a fiery text. well, this is something not well, that is, this is

a field and in reality it is not normal. eh, a state for even an ordinary person, passing through without the experience of writing, you get, you awaken some kind of critical consciousness correctly, a rope, a rope in a cord. you have something personal there, so you don’t find it, and you build yourself, in fact. making some new connections. but tell me, but uh, i take you, what is its peculiarity, because there is actually a lot of such jang literature, but why exactly am i taking it with uh, can you say? why is this an artistic approach? why and his prose has artistic value, and not just the value of the experience described. i guess by writing this junk here. he realized that it really could be a success, that he, maybe he likes it, that it's better than there exactly the way he lived there or and so on. yes, that is, and he went on. then he began to explore, and already

more. i think the junk is there. well, that's literature. there is some kind of contribution there. he's not like that. it's big, but so, if, for example, in connection with junk, there is a naked breakfast, yes, that is, then in a naked breakfast, he will absolutely help his work, and he uses uh, mosaicism there, yes and some kind of everyone has it, but, but what is it? this is essentially research. here, as it were, here is the transgressive experience of the writer. that is , when you had something internal , something happened there, a typewriter. i don't know the paint , and it became something that's internal, it became something of a part. yes landscape there, uh part landscapes are part of the cultural landscape. that is , uh, and this is precisely this moment of transition, when turning a certain one out of the writer. this creative energy is somehow refracted and

splashes out there onto canvases and onto paper. this is the psycho moment. this creative , he tried to explore it in a naked breakfast, to be honest, not very clear. why is it necessary? because it is more or less individual and more or less for everyone. that's pretty much what happens. that is, well, he wrote, but he did it. it's mine it wouldn't have been written. he did it. this book is so niche. so i think, that is, this is a book that was supposed to be written by someone for a film adaptation, gronenberg, took off. uh, some tablet movie. eh, here. i watched the last one, there are even two or three film adaptations, that is, such a cultural wave still came from him, and what do you think, here are the followers, yes, and even lhunter thompson there, you think they scooped up the choice, after all, he was, to be honest , so i would share, that is. uh, i'm taking

the wallage from irvine. to quincy. these are the people with it experience. but hunter thomson uh, it's alcohol. who for some reason wrote about what he is very very good at and even paid for his funeral. i love him not for that. that is, to be honest, i’m hunter thompson , uh or uh, and here’s a naked breakfast, it’s just that i rather, unfortunately, maybe even mold more countertoms, but these are such writers about intoxication there is some there, and there somewhere to run. there is something there all the time. there. actually. they are not about some kind of experience of addictions and these are not some kind of ups. that is, it is some. well, such, as it were, roman clips of a criminal of some dude. i mean, honestly , honestly, hmm, as if i don’t want to say that, but i’ll say this is a meaningless book about nothing , it’s russian literature. uh, the beatniks