then we were met by a twenty-degree frost and for that year the snowy situation was extremely typical for baikonur because about half a meter fell. snow and it must be said that it was a very difficult period of the situation at the bykonur. in the autumn and winter of 1993 and 1994 , the warm central station did not work; in baikonur there was no heat in residential buildings; electricity was supplied for several hours in square stars in different quarters. during this time , people had to boil water there to cook hot food. wash the children there somehow warm up the lighting in the apartments. he mainly supported by counting batteries that were sold on the market,

which are called miracles, and i must say that during this period there was a very difficult situation there, and the criminal situation on savings happened. well, we were met there by the bus. accompanying cars drove from the airfield. first, yes, the ninety-second platform. this is the left flank, where the complex for preparing and launching spacecraft using the proton launch vehicle is located and work with the launch vehicle took place inside rooms where it was -20 °. and the spacecraft was getting ready. again, in the same building , only in a tent, where i supplied glass with the help of electric guns, because, of course, it was unrealistic to cook with a spacecraft at -27. it was the first object that was visited by visitors, and it made an impression on all of us, and even on foreigners. of course

. then from the technical complex let's go to the launch complex at site 81, the closest start to the 95 protonovsky site. and they could get through. only well, somewhere a few hundred meters, we could not even drive to launcher, the road was not cleared. that's how far the bus could go. how much you drove and got up, and the volga that followed us , they were still lagging behind much earlier, because they were not able to drive at a price - it was snowy, and american congressmen made their way through heavy buses. we decided to go outside and look at all, i say, somewhere here, from somewhere, it starts up. i told them in december to let them in from here. and we installed somewhere, well, two hundred meters away i let go to the nearest bus stop. and military away american. he is a brave officer. so

i decided to go there on foot, you can tell them. yes , of course, if you want to go, then he just needs to tell him, you know that you can’t see what’s under your feet. you can get into some kind of hole, maybe some kind of reinforcement sticks out, you seem to see it, you can’t see the path. you will follow an unmarked route. how would you not get hurt? well, at first he cheerfully took a few steps, then he began to think that life is more expensive, turning around in his footsteps , he returned, falling to his knees. naturally by the way, it was followed by one of the american indices. cheerful old lady in high heels. she also got off the bus and fell down to her knees. why did he have such thin stockings and hairpins, but, of course, she didn’t go further, she quickly jumped back, and we looked and convinced them that in fact they would clear everything and let it go, and in

fact they cleared everything and let it go. naturally, in december, the missiles of the protocol cosmetic device flew somewhere behind the 2003 launcher. and we went with this site to 112 site. where the installation of this energy building was located, buran we also arrived. well, the road, it was more or less cleared inside, the building was carried out some work. but the temperature was also -20, but it was light clean. we went inside in one standing, the same buran that landed successfully after a single flight. uh, in others stood, the principle is ready to use oxygen hydrogen engine wonderful energy rocket, a very funny situation happened. here, imagine, well, from the 20th

cleanly and the banner lights up, at the top the americans immediately translated what was written, and i was completely stunned, because it was written in the air within the limits of the technological norm of speech. it was said that the frequency and pressure in the compressed air supply network that came to the machines was within the limits, of course , of the norm, but they didn’t perceive that russian bears could work, and so on. completely blown away by all of this. here's a short one. tell me how you see what a person will do in 50 years in space. anatolyevich, i am not a futurist, you know, and i can’t look that far, but you look with optimism after 50 years of restrained realism. i hope it's still humanity. will dare and be able to implement a manned expedition

to mars for me, you know it is very interesting for a person himself, whether an answer will still be received. and if there is life on mars, or was there at least life on mars, that is, there will be clearly found traces, have already fallen here, or traces of real life are suddenly found on the marseilles word, which some are now dreaming of, because that the traditional situation there is quite creepy, and the temperature regime is also difficult on the surface, and it is somehow very difficult to hope that active life forms are on the surface, and you know, from the point of view of philosophy, it would, of course, be very interesting to know and understand, that we are not alone in the universe, this would be very important, therefore, i would like humanity to still look there. well, first we already remember the automatic means. we could

answer this question until we personally managed to get a clear answer to this question. but the development of the resources of the moon is one of the possible tasks, but we must first unconditionally investigate. well, its resources to understand how important these resources will be , it means the implementation of normal economic activities on earth for people, but the inquisitive look of mankind in space cannot be stopped unconditionally. unfortunately, our time is coming to an end. today igor vladimirovich barmin was my guest. advisor to the general director of zinc. i'm anton shkapper. it was space history podcast.

the creative industry podcast on channel one is with you, as always elena kipper, producer and clip maker and roman pockets media manager and general director of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives and visiting. we have gitis rector grigory zaslavsky. hello and russian film director. anton migerdichev. good evening. lately, i have the impression that we have a boom in the performing arts. we have people went to the cinema people and watch russian people, went to theaters. people go to musicals, they stand everywhere queues for everyone to watch something new series come out, and they all immediately start talking about them if you have similar feelings. well, it's not a feeling. this is in general, but objective data, that last year in the twenty-second , 24 million theater tickets were sold. yes , one could say that there is no boom, but it is quite obvious that, and tickets began to be sold in existence. the best thing is that i was

in belgorod in december and the theater director is there, that he is such a legendary theater director viktor ivanovich trubachuk. he is 50 years old runs the theatre. and a he says, i want to show you. hey, go into the room. i say why is there, what is going on, he says at the bottom of belkovich, but it does not matter. i say, what year is the performance, but , unfortunately, it has been a long time, no, alive. he says 2.000 of the fourteenth performance. eh, let's go full house of course. it makes an impression. even if, uh, out of these 24 million, and someone went to the theater three times, then it's still, well, 8 million spectators. this is definitely not 3% of the adult population of russia, this is 6 %, and maybe even more and uh, this suggests that, of course, interest uh, has risen. this is good. anton for your man. this whole year has been a very uneven year. then, if we talk about cinema,

i had a feeling that it would practically cease to collect some halls, and not even because i left. the so-called foreign content is gone hollywood and it seemed to me that the time is not so cinematic. and why empathize with the product, which is often shown in the movies, uh, yes, uh, society is simply not able to and indeed. if there year-old look at fees in cinemas are, well, an order of magnitude less than before all these pandemic stories, and relatively speaking, if it weren’t for cheburashka, who even cheered up e, we could say that all our attendance records, if we talk about cinema screenings, they correspond to the pandemic period. this can be easily seen from the data of the eggs, but for the last

two months i have been observing a situation in which there is a viewer in the cinema on patriotic releases. this is good, because in general the culture is only of such a massive, uh, viewing, it is quietly. it seems to me, not only in our country. well, in general, all over the world, uh, exhausts itself due to the appearance of so many alternatives. and that the person is simply not enough. i still do . i wonder how people manage to watch so much serial content, as they say, which is now provided to them, it's easy, but you have to be a professional caretaker. that is, i can’t do this, so to speak , honestly, well, they also don’t understand when, when a person, yes, and there’s also a season to compare them with each other to discuss on networks. this is this is this really some new type of person is an ideal consumer. you know, like a strugatsky who

watches something 24 hours a day. it seems to me that there is, in addition to everything else, some kind of moving. so this is all, and there is a certain danger of losing something really worthwhile in it . i don't know, maybe it's my problem, but i often notice when the film is from my point of view. magnificent, he should , as it were, even gather the audience and should intrigue the viewer, and somehow they should talk about him and he doesn’t exist at all, and vice versa, as just comes out. uh, something not quite digestible, it turns out some kind of boom and so let's say, uh hype, as it is now customary to say that, that is, it is possible, so to speak, so that the object of art almost always does not correspond to large cash fees with rare exceptions, of course, i have the feeling that i hear something so familiar. and in this sense, i would

like to ask grigory, well, well, this truth has always existed. this is a dilemma, that something real is being done, it is up to the audience, they reach or break through with difficulty, and then again something means prisali and released a comedy on the screen. so she's humor below the belt and so on. and so, please, the audience went and so on. here you can have a lot of eternal eternal such a problem. well, yes, but i'm listening to anton and i agree, and, at the same time , different examples come to mind when it was not so i agree. eh, because at one time, and the interview was among the leaders of the box office. i do not agree, because everyone knows how menchov was offended. uh, when his film was not accepted by shirley myrli, and then uh, yes, and yes, people came out of the hall called it something low-brow and recently heard some story about how they sat and were completely

upset because they did not laugh at the premiere. they were sitting in the cafeteria of the movie house and already started drinking and without waiting for the end of the movie, people came out and saw them drinking and added more. uh, sadness with some of your comments on critics, there are figures. eh, the great soviet cinema and not the great one either, and then several years passed and it suddenly became clear that without this film we would not we can get by and many can argue how much this is a movie or is it such a social masterpiece of its kind, but yes value. of this product, filmed by a smaller one , it became clear a little later, and not at the time, e of the premiere. and i remember how many years ago. i ended up at the concert of stas mikhailov and on the one hand, he invited our graduate and stas mikhailov to your graduates of the stas production department. gita yes, e he is

, he is his own director, that is, he is not only a soloist, but also a director himself, and here i was at this concert, and then i read how much he earns a year with his own work, and i can’t relate to this but go, because this is an honest work of a person. yes , another thing works, that it may not be exactly what i like in even this genre of popular song, but it causes us great respect. an interesting theme we have drawn. and this is not a matter of personal opinion. that is, here's what he uh denoted yes, and when does a movie have a deep? the author and, perhaps, therefore, is not read by the audience in the mass one's own, because the statement cannot be sufficiently concentrated. in that. i wanted to say only one thing, that in the current situation, the very quality of the product, as such , is of equal importance to the way it is

promoted. nothing else. that's the moment when andrey rublev came out. i'm more than sure there was no such situation. i mean , it was just, in many ways, a lonely masterpiece. now how? it seems to me that we are becoming more and more from the first services music and cinema and television. we provide services, that is, often when i, for example, read some reviews of some movies i. i see the rage of people writing these reviews who do not understand. what it is? it is not clear to us that there is a layer of different negatives going on, so, it seems to me, at that time. uh, when andrei rublev came out, the public tried not to advertise what they didn’t understand, because they yes, because it was embarrassing not to understand and they tried to understand, and this is this situation, which is the

viewer that we work with, it’s quite aggressive , uh, who require services. he should have fun. and it's completely different form of filing and in these conditions. but the product and promotion methods are equal substances and one is impossible without the other, and it is meaningless. i would even say, and this, it seems to me, is such a difference between this modern media sphere, in which the whole world is located, when everyone who , relatively speaking, has a phone, he is a documentary filmmaker, or maybe a director and try to surprise such a viewer, who can film and edit himself and do whatever he likes with himself and become a journalist blogger not a blogger singer. here can you imagine, yes and in such a situation. we

all exist now. this is a very interesting situation, which is fundamentally different from what it was even 20 years ago when yevtushenko wrote. such a poem begins to comfortably be not the stage of the hall. eh, sit on the programs of the guys' way and calmly call the absurd play that i can tell you that yevtushenko's position at this moment, as the author, is rather arrogant. but today no one will argue with the fact that today this viewer will always be right. yes, and they will be guided by it and to his position. yes, if these spectators, e, get up and leave, if they don’t buy tickets , then the theater, it turns out, is wrong, and the audience is right, and then the question was like this. the key was that it could be art, that is, mass, uh, a marketing spectacle that is properly built, it can be artificial, but the role of art is more and means that those critters who are present in this art, but carry a heavy mission load, that is, those

creators who compose a marketing story, then there is some way out here. he may be what. well, maybe not a very good example, but to consolidate most of the society in one of the halls and make you all worry. this is art, there is, for example, circus art, which is art and it will get through. everyone, regardless of education , etc. an accident is a common phrase to some extent, for example, in particular. this is what i'm trying to do. eh, an intelligible form is often aggressive, but at the same time to tell, maybe about subtle things and not to be bored. here is some square the poster image of reality, by the way, is doing well in cinemas precisely because it allows you to empathize together, and to some extent, american cinema has begun to do this. uh, now he's

on my mind, quietly copy. himself for the last 10-15 years. there, too , there is some kind of crisis, but uh, as zhvanetsky said, you artists must be successful , this phrase now most often has to be repeated to everyone the conversation prompt of the creative industry, leading ro. karmanov media manager and general director of the cultural foundation initiatives elena kiper, producer and clip maker, and our guest grigory comrade zaslavsky rector gitessa and anton megerdichev, russian film director, grigory but tell me, please, after all, the university educates its uh students, so to speak. he's laying down some philosophy here. like it or not , they come out with a certain spirit? yes , they are here they are brewed, there are predecessors. eh, here is how e is modified. uh, this is the inner philosophy in connection. well, this

is a very important change. here e, or here's how it itself somehow, here's the nosphere, here 's this internal how it happens. here you are taxiing there inside, there are paddles, and we are engaged in fine tuning. that is, naturally. today, a young man or some girl has to tell that there used to be radio receivers. and there were two such wheels, one wheel for coarse tuning, and the second one is fine tuning, this is it. ah, fine tuning. she is changing, of course. and, of course, from what we did not teach and what we have now begun to teach differently. the ability to position oneself, but in this market, and job search. eh, because if a person does not know how. selling himself correctly , offering himself correctly, he will not be successful. that is, it cannot be said that it was different before. it's just that the mechanisms used to be different. yes, today this is a video business card. this is

correct. uh, a prepared portfolio and this also needs to be taught. that is, if we just teach good artists, then they will be successful. uh, not them, but others, but who will be able to do this, and plus these ones, that's what is for the profession of an actor you can definitely call it soft skills, because it is not literal. yes, not acting in this place is precisely this movement , that is, today, of course, an artist can no longer be successful, but in what is connected, but i'm talking more about directing. yes, we serve the audience. this is one philosophy. we viewers forced to think and another philosophy. we don't care what the audience thinks. this is the third philosophy, and so on. now wait, i understand that young people must be confused now, in general, because they they see. uh, they're the same. in all this, they watch serials at night. so they actually bathe in this, in general, and come to your

university, who are considered successful , start there, which is now preaching higher education. uh. naturally, we meet our students with our outstanding graduates. recently, we had a meeting with alexander access , a wonderful e-producer, and he, among other things , told, and it seems to me, that for today's producers. this was also a good lesson, because today there is often nothing did not know how, the guys come and say, well, yes, what salary? well, of course, in the hands of 100, says a student who still does not know how. and he doesn't even have a degree. and then we told how when you invited him somewhere for carpathia, they met and one anatolyevich vinokur invited him to quit running the circus, leaving the circus. uh, he came home to the chicken and called, he opened the door and alexander leonidovich realized that he didn’t even recognize him here. who is it not that he, as it were, forgot what he offered him and he says, ok, i ready to work for free and the moment

you need me, you will start paying me a salary. and this is a very honest approach for that at the moment when he began to pay a salary, apparently, vinokur could not take, in principle, a step out of the apartment without the help of this director, then another word was the producer, who was not there. but this is the understanding that you have to spend some time trying to convince that it is impossible to do without you. it is also very important that art should continue to educate. still, entertain. that's what art should be to educate and entertain, you know, there will always be an example for everything. yes, that's how my mother, she spoke strongly, don't eat there. it's here. misha is my brother. once i ate it, he had no stomatitis there, that is, my mother was an example for everything. not from our, uh, big family life, but therefore, uh, we can say that at the performances of merhold in recent years there were half-empty halls, the jewish theater of newspapers, which was in the building of the present theater on

bronnaya where konstantin bogomolov works today he, uh, this theater closed because no one went there. i have a mom she said that her parents were simply offered tickets for free at work and people no longer went. even those who knew yiddish, although naturally, there were fewer and fewer of them. and it was a great performance. uh, on the other hand. right. tabakov, when he says that the theater is impossible to tell, there is a great director, but his performance is at his performances. no one has ever seen a person die and continue to tell how it was brilliantly funny. it's just funny or this performance was seen and, uh, a sufficient number of spectators will say, yes, this is one of the most strongest impressions in my life. or no one saw them, and then no one will ever believe that it was a great director. excuse me, i'll leave right away. yes, i give money for art. uh, let's talk a little about

this topic. i love the far east very much, the far east, because i myself am a far east and i have always been a little offended by the lack of attention to the history of the far east, which , in general, the wild west will envy, generally speaking, the development of the far current of siberia and so on. here, there are guys who do uh a film about the daughter-in-law animated ah. he's not at risk. eh, there are werewolves inside, he's some kind of superhero, so the king-priest. it is clear that there is also present there says where the flag is raised. there, it should not go down there, that's all, but nevertheless, such a fairy tale in which it does not take risks. it's just such a superhero, and when i posted this video on my telegram channel, it means that people came and said. well what are you doing? why are you turning it into a non -risk character, it means some american comics, and so further, what he said to them, listen to it will be cool, if through this the children pay attention,

in general, to the figure of the admiral and so on . this is the transformation of the transformation of adventure history. really. well, really , about your non-siberian far east, this is jaw-droppingly exciting, how do you feel about this genre in general, as i understand it all. there is a fundamental difference in finding a common language for the modern viewer to be understood by him. this is one situation, and the second is stupid to indulge him to do. it's completely mechanical saying read. e that he consumes such and such a product, where, relatively speaking, some character wolverine does this and that. and let's now have the russian admiral to do exactly. they also hawala and so on, and they will tell you what you are doing, and you will answer what but we attract interest. so you see, there is so much. subtle things they are largely based on an understanding of their activities, that is, there is

the concept of a producer's view, which is more cynical. your task in 2 weeks is for you to see as many people as possible, and then though the grass does not grow. this is one approach, but there is an approach, after all, when there are authors who are responsible for the fact that he puts his name under this, you can’t get it anywhere, 10 years will pass. it will see everything. and all this will return to you in a completely different way. and therefore, again, yes, seek a common language with the viewer to be understandable, but in no case stoop to his low-grade taste, i will say a banality, but it seems to me that this is the answer to your question. excuse me, but the mythologization of the hero is a constant situation. how much do we know? eh? well, i don’t know, we don’t know, but at one time

they told us there that there were deer tales. yes, lenin came and he was two meters tall and so on. that is, it was during lenin's lifetime. and when he died, it means, no, he did not die, he came, there and so on. and the same thing happened about suvorov during his lifetime. yes, not about the fact that alexander did not die there. but there really is a man a hero, he is a hero. here, just such a real, absolutely such a mythologising consciousness of the people, that is there is nothing like today and, uh, there is no today. but this everlasting mask is such a consciousness to me. if we talk about soviet mythology, it has suffered a terrible collapse. well, if you look at it this way, this state simply could not, that even a century with all these methods of propaganda with all this history, and i have a clear understanding for myself that the soviet union collapsed when people began to carry western records and

appreciate them as real art and even flowers no any. well in order to make such a man that's that kind mythologizations that were then made. they only encouraged the person to come out. from outside this cultural milieu. you understand what i'm talking about, and in fact, here we come to what we started, yes, when you do something you have to do it talented, you are doomed to do it talented, because if you do it, it's mediocre you doom yourself to scolding is half the trouble, but it has absolutely the opposite effect, uh, your goals are always evidence that you watched films in villages in villages, when this is great art that can get into the shower, then there is and marketing here does not matter another question, what is the competition? and such a movie, where you had to think and experience sympathy. yes, uh, but

anyway. i also read memoirs of contemporaries, which told that people from the plow came to small houses of culture and empathized with these films, because they are works of art and the fact that they simply cannot be made is not talented cinema. and if you go out to the audience, but the fees are now very different. that is , now the mountains are generally a phenomenal movie, which, uh, would have failed at the box office. e a year ago in trust just a cheburashka. cheburashka just struck. this wall is not trust in russian cinema. it seems to me that here he is, he must this flow. and now, in this, in this , there was another, it seems to me, a protest to society, because they went, uh, that's all the generations. this is one of the few media creatures that, uh, are so warm for first people of my age saw it as their future children, then they watched

it with their parents, then they led to this cartoon, uh, was offered to their children, because it's no secret to anyone that the new generation is in our country. in general, the cultural life of viewing in soviet animation begins, because somehow we all understand that it is safe. it is psychologically correct that nothing will happen to a child, and the phenomenon of this animal cheburashka is that it really covers the entire country plus. e, of course, a language was found that did not contradict the understanding of this character in some way you can add here as much as you like there to talk about something about your taste perception, but this is a fact, because they went to this film for 4 months after the new year and continue to go to this day, which means that there is something in it there is obtained. yes? i agree, but it seems to me that if we talk not only about

cheburashka on some other films. my daughter just went to see it. i haven’t watched it yet, in my opinion, it’s called burying ivan, it’s from these yakut films and there was a full house. call me commitment. yes, yes, yes, yes plot i know, you know, i still haven't made it to the cinema. but here comes the understanding that, after all, this kind of films are not films that are called the first in the ocean. yes, you still need to let people see. this is a movie, not shoot it and the lack of some hollywood. e of new releases, it allows this film to hold out a little more time and, accordingly, get the same box office that they deserve, but in a different situation. naturally, they would have been swept away, some new ones. or not gourmet full room normally people sit and watch and not a single star, even our russian one, even some kind of uh, at least some, as

they say, sensational picture that came out. uh, very small circulation, and this whole room was made up of a selection of fairly intelligent people. i'm sure it 's those who are interested in cinema, because it was not advertised in any way, only those people who traveled there knew about it, and there were some festivals. here in particular. i went and they told me that yakut cinema is some kind of phenomenon, that they firstly live absolutely with their own inner production. they play these films at home, which they do, they do not generate income. from this income they take off the following there some completely some interesting situation of their own well, of their national film production. by the way, this is an interesting topic that goes against the grain. eh, all of the things that we just talked about, here they are, eh. enough protected from some kind of flow, yes, and they did their art. their film screening and moreover, they delegate it here, and it has here and has music here. same what's going on should tell you too, you

know, we had a very famous producer not so long ago. eh, so he is. a. we still love predictions. here's how it will develop further, then he said that most likely. well, here is my prediction that in the twenty-third twenty-fourth year there will be songs based on more they will be popular, while it was a producer from whom one would expect, in general, such a statement was simply impossible. this is his feeling inside, that is, here are joyful songs, there is hookah rap and so on like we let's go somewhere to the emotions. finally, deep, because people have accumulated interesting things there. uh yes, as far as this movie is the only one much faster than yes maybe, maybe maybe tarkovsky maybe this is next year's thing. and there another five and 10 years will pass. and here you go, i mean, a new phenomenon based on here.